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(The New York Times)   There's a bipartisan 2-year spending deal in the Senate. It's up to the House or the President to prevent government from working like normal   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2018-02-07 10:51:58 PM  
The one they worked out while Nancy Pelosi was reading short stories to an empty chamber?

She'll help snatch defeat from the jaws of victory for sure.
 
2018-02-07 10:56:00 PM  
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2018-02-07 11:07:56 PM  
No way this passes without breaking the child molester rule

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2018-02-07 11:26:20 PM  

feckingmorons: The one they worked out while Nancy Pelosi was reading short stories to an empty chamber?

She'll help snatch defeat from the jaws of victory for sure.


There's enough votes in the house .all Ryan has to do is call the vote.

Go attack people who deserve it.
 
2018-02-07 11:27:18 PM  
Subby's implying our government has been working like normal.
 
2018-02-07 11:51:27 PM  
Look, I spent a good forty-five seconds looking at a google image search for some reaction GIFs. I couldn't find one under Fark's 2MB limit that truly expressed the depth, breadth, width, duration, emphasis, verve, jiggle,  snark, oomph, pizazz, and mouthfeel, as expressed in eleven-dimensional SQRLNT notation that I feel about this issue.

I'll settle for this one:
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The more I pay attention to the comment sections, the angrier I get. It's not healthy.

So I will just keep my eyes open, my mouth shut, and vote in every election I am legally entitled to do as I have always done.

All further political comments will be in the form of mockery, sass, snark, and titanical-brass-polishing.
 
2018-02-08 12:07:57 AM  

PirateKing: Look, I spent a good forty-five seconds looking at a google image search for some reaction GIFs. I couldn't find one under Fark's 2MB limit that truly expressed the depth, breadth, width, duration, emphasis, verve, jiggle,  snark, oomph, pizazz, and mouthfeel, as expressed in eleven-dimensional SQRLNT notation that I feel about this issue.

I'll settle for this one:
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The more I pay attention to the comment sections, the angrier I get. It's not healthy.

So I will just keep my eyes open, my mouth shut, and vote in every election I am legally entitled to do as I have always done.

All further political comments will be in the form of mockery, sass, snark, and titanical-brass-polishing.


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2018-02-08 12:18:58 AM  
So, is there a point when you're good enough at Catholicing that you don't really need the practice any more or is it like a doctor or lawyer wherein your a sort of permanent apprentice?
 
2018-02-08 01:02:10 AM  
If this fails it's going to be because of hardliner R's in the House.
 
2018-02-08 01:16:35 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: If this fails it's going to be because of hardliner R's in the House.


I doubt it fails. The House can pass it and blame the Senate with just enough Dem votes in the House to cover the Taliban Freedom Nazis.

Allows them to focus on gutting entitlements for the rest of the year. And we all know how much they want to try that.
 
2018-02-08 01:20:19 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: If this fails it's going to be because of hardliner R's in the House.


No, it will be the cowards that are not part of the 'freedom caucus' that caused it to fail.

You'd think they would all need knee replacements by now.
 
2018-02-08 03:02:24 AM  
I didn't see anything in there about a border wall. Donnie isn't going to be happy.
 
2018-02-08 05:20:38 AM  
So I'm guessing the dreamers aren't going to be saved.

/not that I'm surprised or anything.
 
2018-02-08 06:16:45 AM  
and DACA?

Anything about DACA there?

*crickets*
 
2018-02-08 06:24:56 AM  
Yay even more money for a bloated military.
 
2018-02-08 06:25:26 AM  
Does it have Dreamers provisions?

If not, shut the whole thing down.
 
2018-02-08 06:29:23 AM  
Functioning like normal just means kicking the debt bomb down the road.
 
2018-02-08 06:32:48 AM  
Sure, that'll pass in the house and avoid a veto both of which are controlled by this mentality:

Fire - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown @ TOTP 1968
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2018-02-08 06:48:21 AM  
And "obstructionist Democrats" will get the blame if that happens.  Because of course.
 
2018-02-08 07:03:54 AM  
Interesting how you'd point fingers at the House or at Trump for a shutdown

If memory serves correct it was the Dems who forced a shutdown while making a big show about DACA

And now here's the spending bill and Trump has basically said fark DACA, and lookie - there's no DACA provision in the bill at all

But hey be sure to vote Dem up and down the board in 2018, because the Dems are going to change everything! REALLY!

/ farking idiots
 
2018-02-08 07:04:30 AM  
I'll believe it the same day I believe Paul Ryan will tweet "Wow! Feelin' the burn after a killer leg day!"
 
2018-02-08 07:04:57 AM  
Pelosi please don't fall into this trap. You will cave within a week and Democrats will take a beating.

We just did this 3 weeks ago... And we already know that military and govt funding is more important to most people than immigrant issues. And if the market crashes during this, you gift wrap Trump an excuse.

Look... The fact that Schumer and you are not walking in perfect lock step right now, given how much of a threat the GOP = truly terrifying.

Please put on your dog and pony show, but make damn sure this passes. If you shut the govt down, I sincerely hope you get primaried for being shortsighted towards the greater good (e.g. winning the house)
 
2018-02-08 07:05:06 AM  

WeedBong420: Does it have Dreamers provisions?

If not, shut the whole thing down.


But Lucy is going to hold the football this time and we'll have a vote next week!
 
2018-02-08 07:08:39 AM  
Shaggy_C asks? did they cut spending?
 
2018-02-08 07:08:47 AM  
Does "work like normal" mean dropping checks and balances and letting the Senate do what it wants with impunity?  That's quite abnormal, actually.
 
2018-02-08 07:10:01 AM  

rcain: Interesting how you'd point fingers at the House or at Trump for a shutdown

If memory serves correct it was the Dems who forced a shutdown while making a big show about DACA

And now here's the spending bill and Trump has basically said fark DACA, and lookie - there's no DACA provision in the bill at all

But hey be sure to vote Dem up and down the board in 2018, because the Dems are going to change everything! REALLY!

/ farking idiots


Both sides are bad!  Drink!
 
2018-02-08 07:10:22 AM  

Shaggy_C: Shaggy_C asks? did they cut spending?


Sadly, due to speech impediment, no one understands him.
 
2018-02-08 07:11:18 AM  

GORDON: Does "work like normal" mean dropping checks and balances and letting the Senate do what it wants with impunity?  That's quite abnormal, actually.


I'm pretty sure "normal" vanished in the rear view quite a ways back, Bro.
 
2018-02-08 07:14:44 AM  

GORDON: Does "work like normal" mean dropping checks and balances and letting the Senate do what it wants with impunity?  That's quite abnormal, actually.


The senate has two big checks: the House and the President. They can draft and vote through legislation all day, but it still has to pass those two.

The majority party in the Senate sat down with the minority party, found common ground on spending, and passed an actual honest to goodness spending plan. This is how government is supposed to work.
 
2018-02-08 07:18:26 AM  

jso2897: rcain: Interesting how you'd point fingers at the House or at Trump for a shutdown

If memory serves correct it was the Dems who forced a shutdown while making a big show about DACA

And now here's the spending bill and Trump has basically said fark DACA, and lookie - there's no DACA provision in the bill at all

But hey be sure to vote Dem up and down the board in 2018, because the Dems are going to change everything! REALLY!

/ farking idiots

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Aw. Poor little man. Need a tissue?


Oh look, a very smart man who needs not make any actual argument but instead makes personal attacks. Yes, a true towering force of intellect

Why don't you go wave your stupidity somewhere else. It's vulgar how low-fi minds such as yourself think themselves worthy of saying anything yet all they have to say is hateful, vulgar, negative things while adding fark all to any discussion and humanity in general
 
2018-02-08 07:19:25 AM  

Kurohone: So after yesterday, and all the attention that brought you, you've just decided to go full retard from now on?

Noted.


Well, it's easy to stand for nothing - much easier than standing for something. And one good, easy, self-aggrandizing way of standing for nothing is to stand for and demand some impossible standard that doesn't exist, and when you don't get it, declare a pox on all houses and declare yourself above it all.
This relieves you of the difficult, painful burden of examining your real, actual options and making painful, adult choices.
 
2018-02-08 07:21:05 AM  

rcain: jso2897: rcain: Interesting how you'd point fingers at the House or at Trump for a shutdown

If memory serves correct it was the Dems who forced a shutdown while making a big show about DACA

And now here's the spending bill and Trump has basically said fark DACA, and lookie - there's no DACA provision in the bill at all

But hey be sure to vote Dem up and down the board in 2018, because the Dems are going to change everything! REALLY!

/ farking idiots

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Aw. Poor little man. Need a tissue?

Oh look, a very smart man who needs not make any actual argument but instead makes personal attacks. Yes, a true towering force of intellect

Why don't you go wave your stupidity somewhere else. It's vulgar how low-fi minds such as yourself think themselves worthy of saying anything yet all they have to say is hateful, vulgar, negative things while adding fark all to any discussion and humanity in general


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Maybe a Valium would be more helpful?
 
2018-02-08 07:27:44 AM  
DAFUQ do Dreamers have to do with the budget? I mean, I don't think they should be deported, but that is a separate topic from the budget reconciliation.


/I know...that's not how any of this works
 
2018-02-08 07:28:05 AM  

LostTimeTraveler: Pelosi please don't fall into this trap. You will cave within a week and Democrats will take a beating.

We just did this 3 weeks ago... And we already know that military and govt funding is more important to most people than immigrant issues. And if the market crashes during this, you gift wrap Trump an excuse.

Look... The fact that Schumer and you are not walking in perfect lock step right now, given how much of a threat the GOP = truly terrifying.

Please put on your dog and pony show, but make damn sure this passes. If you shut the govt down, I sincerely hope you get primaried for being shortsighted towards the greater good (e.g. winning the house)


We'll see. I believe the Dreamers should have their vote but I don't see a compelling reason for the House to allow it. So how do you draw any attention or concessions? You keep up the circus. I don't think shutdown is useful - get up there every day with a different person and keep on fighting for that vote. Carthage must be destroyed. Don't shut it down but stop all future business until the House vote is taken and every bastard is on record.
 
2018-02-08 07:31:32 AM  

rcain: VOTE IN 2018!!!


The majority of Americans care more about a functioning government than the rights of illegal immigrants to continue working temporarily. Tying DACA to the funding bill is a losing position for the Dems. They made their point with the shutdown last month; the question is whether the Republicans actually move ahead with anything in 2018 or not. Preemptively claiming that DACA is dead - and worse, blaming the Democrats for it - before it's officially dead doesn't really help anything.
 
2018-02-08 07:48:04 AM  
NewportBarGuy:

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2018-02-08 07:48:21 AM  

WeedBong420: Does it have Dreamers provisions?

If not, shut the whole thing down.


Ha ha ha.

No.
 
2018-02-08 07:54:29 AM  

rcain: Interesting how you'd point fingers at the House or at Trump for a shutdown

If memory serves correct it was the Dems who forced a shutdown while making a big show about DACA

And now here's the spending bill and Trump has basically said fark DACA, and lookie - there's no DACA provision in the bill at all

But hey be sure to vote Dem up and down the board in 2018, because the Dems are going to change everything! REALLY!

/ farking idiots


Democrats care more about winning elections or "standing up" to Trump than they do about DACA.

Why is anyone surprised about this?

Doing something that would cost them an election would show they actually cared, but even the ones who got drummed out of office over passing ObamaCare didn't stand up and take pride in what they voted for.

To paraphrase a satirical piece by Michael Lewis, the rich are better at voting than the poor. They vote for people who promise to make them more rich, while the poor vote for people who promise to make them less poor, while never actually achieving that.
 
2018-02-08 07:54:49 AM  
But does D2S get the money his parade? He wants a Miniteman II to roll past him on one of those big trucks.  Maybe a sexy squadron of Air Force chicks doing the Lindy Hop in miniskirts.
 
2018-02-08 07:55:38 AM  
I want to see if the GOP has the balls to actually start deporting large numbers of dreamers?  I doubt t a damnhey
 
2018-02-08 08:03:23 AM  

Shaggy_C: rcain: VOTE IN 2018!!!

The majority of Americans care more about a functioning government than the rights of illegal immigrants to continue working temporarily. Tying DACA to the funding bill is a losing position for the Dems. They made their point with the shutdown last month; the question is whether the Republicans actually move ahead with anything in 2018 or not. Preemptively claiming that DACA is dead - and worse, blaming the Democrats for it - before it's officially dead doesn't really help anything.


The spending bill the Senate just passed is enough of a win for the Democrats because it doesn't gut entitlement programs. If the House dems push hard enough the GOP will take the opportunity to say "Sure, we can give you DACA in this bill, at the expense of X and Y". And then the Democrats HAVE to go on record to say whether they care more about their voting constituents or the dreamers.

This is all an academic discussion anyway, as the bill doesn't fund a border wall. Trump will probably take the opportunity to veto it because it doesn't achieve his short term agenda.
 
2018-02-08 08:10:20 AM  

mattgsx: The spending bill the Senate just passed is enough of a win for the Democrats because it doesn't gut entitlement programs. If the House dems push hard enough the GOP will take the opportunity to say "Sure, we can give you DACA in this bill, at the expense of X and Y". And then the Democrats HAVE to go on record to say whether they care more about their voting constituents or the dreamers.


Precisely - the last thing the Democrats need at the moment is a divisive in-party war between the pragmatists and the immigration single-issue voters over whether or not DACA is more or less important than Obamacare subsidies. If I were a betting man, I would expect that there will be a separate "immigration bill" that comes out some time over the next couple months which tries to tie wall funding to DACA. If the Dems were smart they would go all out and demand green cards for DACA-eligible immigrants in exchange for a cheaper wall with additional infrastructure spending elsewhere.
 
2018-02-08 08:10:48 AM  
Military spending is increasing because that is the amount of money needed to properly maintain readiness levels and proper equipment maintenance and replacement for our current military. The sequestration showed cutting or capping military spending doesn't mean a smaller military. It means a less prepared military.

Shrinking the actual size of the military is a discussion that needs to involve the Pentagon.
 
2018-02-08 08:11:21 AM  
$300 billion for the Pentagon.  Trump's Pentagon.  Trump's military.  We're fattening a bloated military currently commanded by either a total idiot, or more likely an aggressive PNAC-style neo-con Republican group of powerbrokers.

Meanwhile 20 billion for infrastructure.  More than 10 times less.

6 billion to fight the opiod crisis and fund mental health.  Only 6 billion.

College aid?  4 billion.

I mean, the US is racing towards a precipice and this isn't even tapping the brakes.  Plus no DACA stand.  It's a shamefully bad budget that doesn't help, gives the Republicans most of what they want and Dems get hardly anything.  Worse, actual people get fark all.  Poor people get the same.

If that's a bi-partisan bill with wide support from both parties, it is shameful.
 
2018-02-08 08:14:38 AM  

Shaggy_C: mattgsx: The spending bill the Senate just passed is enough of a win for the Democrats because it doesn't gut entitlement programs. If the House dems push hard enough the GOP will take the opportunity to say "Sure, we can give you DACA in this bill, at the expense of X and Y". And then the Democrats HAVE to go on record to say whether they care more about their voting constituents or the dreamers.

Precisely - the last thing the Democrats need at the moment is a divisive in-party war between the pragmatists and the immigration single-issue voters over whether or not DACA is more or less important than Obamacare subsidies. If I were a betting man, I would expect that there will be a separate "immigration bill" that comes out some time over the next couple months which tries to tie wall funding to DACA. If the Dems were smart they would go all out and demand green cards for DACA-eligible immigrants in exchange for a cheaper wall with additional infrastructure spending elsewhere.


I don't especially like conceding it - but at some point the Dems have to grow a pair, and get up in front of the voters and say:
"Hey! Y'all elected Repugs to both houses and the Oval Office! They own the show! This is what they do! Want different? Vote different!"
 
2018-02-08 08:16:26 AM  

jso2897: GORDON: Does "work like normal" mean dropping checks and balances and letting the Senate do what it wants with impunity?  That's quite abnormal, actually.

I'm pretty sure "normal" vanished in the rear view quite a ways back, Bro.


Actually when was the last time they actually passed a real 2 year budget? Pretty sure it's been a long time.
 
2018-02-08 08:18:14 AM  
The first time I looked at the post count it was 69 (huh huh, huh huh).  I went into another thread and when I came back out it was knocked down to 45 posts.  Havent seen the mods take a hammer to a thread like that in a while.
 
2018-02-08 08:18:38 AM  

PirateKing: Look, I spent a good forty-five seconds looking at a google image search for some reaction GIFs. I couldn't find one under Fark's 2MB limit that truly expressed the depth, breadth, width, duration, emphasis, verve, jiggle,  snark, oomph, pizazz, and mouthfeel, as expressed in eleven-dimensional SQRLNT notation that I feel about this issue.

I'll settle for this one:
[img.fark.net image 400x232]


The more I pay attention to the comment sections, the angrier I get. It's not healthy.

So I will just keep my eyes open, my mouth shut, and vote in every election I am legally entitled to do as I have always done.

All further political comments will be in the form of mockery, sass, snark, and titanical-brass-polishing.


Get any gif below 2MB ...

EZGif.com
 
2018-02-08 08:20:27 AM  

jso2897: I don't especially like conceding it - but at some point the Dems have to grow a pair, and get up in front of the voters and say:
"Hey! Y'all elected Repugs to both houses and the Oval Office! They own the show! This is what they do! Want different? Vote different!"


It's a temporary setback at best. There's a pretty sizeable contingent of Republicans pushing on their leadership to take action on DACA as well. In terms of choosing hills to die upon, this doesn't seem like the best choice. However, I still think having a positive message and continually showing that the Democrats are a vote for something is better than running a campaign that is basically "look how bad the Republicans are!"
 
2018-02-08 08:24:12 AM  
Wasn't Obama the president with a Democrat majority in Congress and he let DACA unresolved? I thought he had the opportunity to permanently settle the issue.
 
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