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2018-02-07 08:46:35 PM  
The KKKebler Elf is just pissed that maybe people aren't cool with minorities getting shafted.

/whenever a conservative says something about crime, it's really about race.
 
2018-02-07 10:19:10 PM  
Can anyone remind me who was President during the vast, vast majority of the 90s?

/1990s you snarky bastards
 
2018-02-07 10:20:42 PM  
Gotta keep those prison profit margins high!
 
2018-02-07 10:21:00 PM  

HedlessChickn: Can anyone remind me who was President during the vast, vast majority of the 90s?

/1990s you snarky bastards


Weird distraction, bro!

You were two comments late, too.
 
2018-02-07 10:33:52 PM  
 
2018-02-07 10:35:38 PM  

fusillade762: Meanwhile

U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions is quietly installing "religious freedom" czars in every U.S. Attorney's office.


That should be "Religious Freedom* czars."

*-Religious freedom meaning Christian only, and then only the right kind of Christian.
 
2018-02-07 10:35:46 PM  
"... there's still no consensus about why the crime rate started to drop three decades ago."

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2018-02-07 10:40:11 PM  

holdmybones: HedlessChickn: Can anyone remind me who was President during the vast, vast majority of the 90s?

/1990s you snarky bastards

Weird distraction, bro!

You were two comments late, too.


Thank you for answering my question, superpredator.
 
2018-02-07 10:44:56 PM  

fusillade762: Meanwhile

U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions is quietly installing "religious freedom" czars in every U.S. Attorney's office.


If "religious freedom" truly included freedom from religion, I'd be ok with this. But in this ass-backward wannabe theocracy of ours, I know that's not the case.
 
2018-02-07 10:45:38 PM  

HedlessChickn: Can anyone remind me who was President during the vast, vast majority of the 90s?

/1990s you snarky bastards


Good point.  shiatty laws and policies under one person a couple decades ago are bound to work now that someone else is in charge.

Also, those prisons look a little crowded.  Maybe we should contract out building and operating new private ones.

/Make America Grift Again
 
2018-02-07 10:45:49 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: "... there's still no consensus about why the crime rate started to drop three decades ago."

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I thought it was pretty well documented to be connected to A) unleaded gasoline, because lead causes violent kinds of brain damage, and B) Abortion/contraception being far easier to obtain?

As this resulted in less unwanted kids so less desperation, and a time-delay for less violently inclined people?

/so yeah freakanomics
 
2018-02-07 10:48:17 PM  
In most of the country the lead paint chip eaters have already been locked up for life. Flint Michigan however will probably need another 10 prisons in 10 years as kids exposed to their tainted drinking water age into rage-addled adulthood.

/fight violent crime at its source
//instead of jailing people for profit
 
2018-02-07 10:48:58 PM  

Ringshadow: Ow! That was my feelings!: "... there's still no consensus about why the crime rate started to drop three decades ago."

[img.fark.net image 400x400]

I thought it was pretty well documented to be connected to A) unleaded gasoline, because lead causes violent kinds of brain damage, and B) Abortion/contraception being far easier to obtain?

As this resulted in less unwanted kids so less desperation, and a time-delay for less violently inclined people?

/so yeah freakanomics


Unfortunately, bunches of boomers are only now experiencing the long-term effects of lead poisoning, hence Trump.
 
2018-02-07 10:49:02 PM  

nacker: HedlessChickn: Can anyone remind me who was President during the vast, vast majority of the 90s?

/1990s you snarky bastards

Good point.  shiatty laws and policies under one person a couple decades ago are bound to work now that someone else is in charge.

Also, those prisons look a little crowded.  Maybe we should contract out building and operating new private ones.

/Make America Grift Again


Thank you for making my point so succinctly.

/no snark
 
2018-02-07 10:51:11 PM  

stoli n coke: fusillade762: Meanwhile

U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions is quietly installing "religious freedom" czars in every U.S. Attorney's office.

That should be "Religious Freedom* czars."

*-Religious freedom meaning Christian only, and then only the right kind of Christian.


It amuses me when I hear Catholics (like my teabagger in-laws) applaud moves like this. If this country had an official established state religion, it most definitely would not be theirs. I don't think they realize the contempt that evangelicals have towards them.
 
2018-02-07 10:51:29 PM  
There were fewer crimes in the 1890s.
 
2018-02-07 10:53:19 PM  
Tough on crime, weak on character
 
2018-02-07 10:55:39 PM  

HedlessChickn: nacker: HedlessChickn: Can anyone remind me who was President during the vast, vast majority of the 90s?

/1990s you snarky bastards

Good point.  shiatty laws and policies under one person a couple decades ago are bound to work now that someone else is in charge.

Also, those prisons look a little crowded.  Maybe we should contract out building and operating new private ones.

/Make America Grift Again

Thank you for making my point so succinctly.

/no snark


JFC. I meant the sarcasm was spot on.
 
2018-02-07 10:57:56 PM  

fragMasterFlash: In most of the country the lead paint chip eaters have already been locked up for life. Flint Michigan however will probably need another 10 prisons in 10 years as kids exposed to their tainted drinking water age into rage-addled adulthood.

/fight violent crime at its source
//instead of jailing people for profit


How about jailing people* who harm children for profit.


*Especially Mitt (R)money's people.
 
2018-02-07 11:02:11 PM  

wildcardjack: There were fewer crimes in the 1890s.


You aren't even remotely serious, are you? Please, tell me that was a joke.
 
2018-02-07 11:04:51 PM  

BMulligan: wildcardjack: There were fewer crimes in the 1890s.

You aren't even remotely serious, are you? Please, tell me that was a joke.


I'm sure there were fewer crimes. But the crime rate was certainly higher.
 
2018-02-07 11:09:36 PM  
Crooked Jeff Sessions is a ripoff.
 
2018-02-07 11:17:37 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: BMulligan: wildcardjack: There were fewer crimes in the 1890s.

You aren't even remotely serious, are you? Please, tell me that was a joke.

I'm sure there were fewer crimes. But the crime rate was certainly higher.


Ah, yes; technically correct. Likewise, there were probably fewer specific offenses defined by statute at the time, so again I fail.
 
2018-02-07 11:21:36 PM  
Let's not be overdramatic there subby. It can't be the 1890s, I don't see anyone swinging from a tree for looking crossways at a white woman.

/ yet
 
2018-02-07 11:25:33 PM  
I think we need mandatory minimum sentencing for crimes like perjury, money laundering, and treason.
 
2018-02-07 11:37:15 PM  

pdieten: Let's not be overdramatic there subby. It can't be the 1890s, I don't see anyone swinging from a tree for looking crossways at a white woman.

/ yet


Crossways? What are you, some kind of highfalutin big city folk?

Everyone knows it's crosswise.
 
2018-02-07 11:49:51 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: fusillade762: Meanwhile

U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions is quietly installing "religious freedom" czars in every U.S. Attorney's office.

If "religious freedom" truly included freedom from religion, I'd be ok with this. But in this ass-backward wannabe theocracy of ours, I know that's not the case.


My view on the religious freedom issue is that if you rely on government permits to operate a business, you don't get to discriminate based on race, religion, or orientation.  If you want to ban gays and POC from shopping at your garage sale, feel free to let all your neighbors know that you're a bigoted f**kwit.

/not sure how this admittedly simple theory would apply to internet commerce
 
2018-02-07 11:49:52 PM  

Ringshadow: Ow! That was my feelings!: "... there's still no consensus about why the crime rate started to drop three decades ago."

[img.fark.net image 400x400]

I thought it was pretty well documented to be connected to A) unleaded gasoline, because lead causes violent kinds of brain damage, and B) Abortion/contraception being far easier to obtain?

As this resulted in less unwanted kids so less desperation, and a time-delay for less violently inclined people?

/so yeah freakanomics


No, that's pretty well documented to be a case of correlation probably being unrelated to causation.

Leaded gasoline began being phased out as early as the late 1960s, with low-lead gasolines being introduced, and leaded wasn't completely gone until the early 1990s, which I know for a fact because I could still get it for my vintage 69 Plymouth.

It's just as likely to say the homicide rate went down because the number of Level One Trauma centers increased during the 1990s, so more people weren't dying from gunshot wounds.
 
2018-02-08 12:04:11 AM  

I should be in the kitchen: stoli n coke: fusillade762: Meanwhile

U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions is quietly installing "religious freedom" czars in every U.S. Attorney's office.

That should be "Religious Freedom* czars."

*-Religious freedom meaning Christian only, and then only the right kind of Christian.

It amuses me when I hear Catholics (like my teabagger in-laws) applaud moves like this. If this country had an official established state religion, it most definitely would not be theirs. I don't think they realize the contempt that evangelicals have towards them.


I keep telling my Mormon family the same thing.
 
2018-02-08 01:17:26 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Ringshadow: Ow! That was my feelings!: "... there's still no consensus about why the crime rate started to drop three decades ago."

[img.fark.net image 400x400]

I thought it was pretty well documented to be connected to A) unleaded gasoline, because lead causes violent kinds of brain damage, and B) Abortion/contraception being far easier to obtain?

As this resulted in less unwanted kids so less desperation, and a time-delay for less violently inclined people?

/so yeah freakanomics

No, that's pretty well documented to be a case of correlation probably being unrelated to causation.

Leaded gasoline began being phased out as early as the late 1960s, with low-lead gasolines being introduced, and leaded wasn't completely gone until the early 1990s, which I know for a fact because I could still get it for my vintage 69 Plymouth.

It's just as likely to say the homicide rate went down because the number of Level One Trauma centers increased during the 1990s, so more people weren't dying from gunshot wounds.


It's even more likely that all of the factors listed in TFA, plus the leaded gas thing, plus the Level I Trauma Centers thing all combined to add their own little bit to the overall picture. Kind of a perfect storm of advancements all coming together to have one significant impact...
 
2018-02-08 02:04:17 AM  

Mikey1969: Gyrfalcon: Ringshadow: Ow! That was my feelings!: "... there's still no consensus about why the crime rate started to drop three decades ago."

[img.fark.net image 400x400]

I thought it was pretty well documented to be connected to A) unleaded gasoline, because lead causes violent kinds of brain damage, and B) Abortion/contraception being far easier to obtain?

As this resulted in less unwanted kids so less desperation, and a time-delay for less violently inclined people?

/so yeah freakanomics

No, that's pretty well documented to be a case of correlation probably being unrelated to causation.

Leaded gasoline began being phased out as early as the late 1960s, with low-lead gasolines being introduced, and leaded wasn't completely gone until the early 1990s, which I know for a fact because I could still get it for my vintage 69 Plymouth.

It's just as likely to say the homicide rate went down because the number of Level One Trauma centers increased during the 1990s, so more people weren't dying from gunshot wounds.

It's even more likely that all of the factors listed in TFA, plus the leaded gas thing, plus the Level I Trauma Centers thing all combined to add their own little bit to the overall picture. Kind of a perfect storm of advancements all coming together to have one significant impact...


Which makes teasing out causation from empirically observed correlation particularly tricky. Too many variables which all happen to correspond in time.
 
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