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2018-02-07 03:24:21 PM  
err.. bookmark.
 
2018-02-07 03:28:14 PM  
Well, there goes my day, evening, and probably well into tomorrow. Stupid interesting topics.
 
2018-02-07 03:41:14 PM  
Holy crap.  I haven't seen Alter Ego mentioned by anyone online in years.  And if you bring it up people are like, "huh?"

/Played a shiatload of those at one time or another.
 
2018-02-07 04:02:03 PM  
This guy should really post the book to Amazon Kindle, even at $0 he'd get more exposure.
 
2018-02-07 04:11:29 PM  
How does it rate Wasteland?
 
2018-02-07 04:26:03 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: How does it rate Wasteland?


It's a free PDF

Why not look for yourself?

You can even do it right there on whatever device it is you used to post that.
 
2018-02-07 04:27:13 PM  
Mark'd
 
2018-02-07 04:43:00 PM  
I really wish people would stop using the pdf format for ebooks and use epub instead. PDFs are for documents, not for ebooks.

Still, I will definitely be reading this.
 
2018-02-07 04:45:02 PM  
Well, it's got Alternate Reality:  The City, so I'm sold.
 
2018-02-07 04:46:47 PM  
I'm still busy watching replays of the Falcon Heavy launch, so I'll have to waste time on this tomorrow.
 
2018-02-07 04:49:57 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: How does it rate Wasteland?


I bet you submitted that headline.
 
2018-02-07 04:52:13 PM  

Skyfrog: I really wish people would stop using the pdf format for ebooks and use epub instead. PDFs are for documents, not for ebooks.

Still, I will definitely be reading this.


If it bothers you that much just run it through Calibre.
 
2018-02-07 04:54:03 PM  
Thanks (I think*) subby, it looks great.

(10 minutes later after getting caught up browsing the table of contents... wow, it really is complete - Geneforge even made it (p290), probably my favorite series of games (5 of them))

/*think only because, like Anastacya, productivity is now gone
 
2018-02-07 04:57:13 PM  
(this should probably also be the link for the Friday gaming thread...)
 
2018-02-07 05:04:26 PM  

Averam: Skyfrog: I really wish people would stop using the pdf format for ebooks and use epub instead. PDFs are for documents, not for ebooks.

Still, I will definitely be reading this.

If it bothers you that much just run it through Calibre.


Converting pdfs never seems to work very well in my experience. One of the reason there are specific formats just for ebooks is that they should have reflowable text that can fit whatever device you are using unlike static PDFs which aren't even supported on some readers and can be very hard to read on small screens.

Looking at this particular book though I see there are lots of photos and illustrations so I can see why they went with pdf. I was just hoping I could load it up on my Nook and curl up somewhere to read it but I can't complain. It's free and it looks like it's going to be really interesting.
 
2018-02-07 05:09:33 PM  
Don't see any mention of MUDs. Used to play Gemstone (https://www.play.net/gs4/signin_need​ed​.asp) years ago.
 
2018-02-07 05:11:09 PM  

divx88: Don't see any mention of MUDs. Used to play Gemstone (https://www.play.net/gs4/signin_neede​d.asp) years ago.


Are MUDs considered RPGs though? I've actually never played one so I have no idea, just asking.
 
2018-02-07 05:12:35 PM  
This makes me wonder if anyone still runs 3rd party servers for Ultima Online.
 
2018-02-07 05:15:12 PM  
Goddam this takes me back.
 
2018-02-07 05:16:39 PM  
I tried to break out my gamecube copy of tales of symphonia the other day, realized i had no memory card and couldn't play.
broke out my copy of eternal sonata
remembered why i was never a huge fan of JRPG games. I mean, I'll still put both of them at the top of my list, finaly...
In a few minutes i'm actually off to a "retro" store to buy a gamecube memory card because I don't want to have to dig up my garage for one of my gamecubes/cards... could have sworn i had one or two in my basement, but i didn't see any cards in with the box of games.
 
2018-02-07 05:22:42 PM  
Ctrl-F: Realmz

Two pages.
 
2018-02-07 05:25:13 PM  
Does Leisure Suit Larry count as an RPG?
 
2018-02-07 05:26:37 PM  

Skyfrog: I really wish people would stop using the pdf format for ebooks and use epub instead. PDFs are for documents, not for ebooks.

Still, I will definitely be reading this.


Try The Digital Antiquarian. Many in-depth articles on early adventure and RPG games with archives that can be downloaded as a series of twelve ebooks in .epub or .mobi format.
 
2018-02-07 05:28:32 PM  

Skyfrog: divx88: Don't see any mention of MUDs. Used to play Gemstone (https://www.play.net/gs4/signin_neede​d.asp) years ago.

Are MUDs considered RPGs though? I've actually never played one so I have no idea, just asking.


RPG MUDs most definitely. The one I mentioned has been around since 1986 and still running. Where I developed my typing skills ... also where my avatar name is from. I've never been good at naming things. ;>
 
2018-02-07 05:32:23 PM  
I assume half the book is Skyrim.

Because it should be.
 
2018-02-07 05:43:08 PM  
I find it strange they talk about Might and Magic III: Isles of Terra and then get into Might and Magic VI: Mandate of Heaven.

Isles of Terra brought in very interesting enhancements, but these enhancements, and many more were perfected in Might and Magic IV: Clouds of Xeen and Might and Magic V: Darkside of Xeen.

What's even cooler is that the two titles were released a year (or more) apart and if you had both, you had World of Xeen and could seamlessly switch back and forth from the light side to the dark side. This seems quaint now, but in 1995 it was a pretty big f*cking deal.

/yes, I am a total World of Xeen fanboy and nerd
//but I like that they covered M&M III and VI
 
2018-02-07 05:44:52 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: err.. bookmark.


Why on earth would you bookmark a link to a free 500 page e-book that you want to read later?
 
2018-02-07 06:01:02 PM  
Let's not overlook our favorite RPG:
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2018-02-07 06:07:35 PM  
Book is like 490 pages too long. I mean, once you've got Baldur's Gate 1&2 and Icewind Dale, what else do you need?

/Replaying these for the umpteenth time, they still rock!
 
2018-02-07 06:09:55 PM  
Fallout: New Vegas was peak RPG.
 
2018-02-07 06:21:53 PM  

Snarfangel: Tr0mBoNe: err.. bookmark.

Why on earth would you bookmark a link to a free 500 page e-book that you want to read later?


If you're not on the system you want to read it on when you saw the article?
 
2018-02-07 07:05:53 PM  
I'm somewhat surprised that Star Ocean 2 didn't make the list.
 
2018-02-07 07:14:57 PM  

Mikey1969: Book is like 490 pages too long. I mean, once you've got Baldur's Gate 1&2 and Icewind Dale, what else do you need?

/Replaying these for the umpteenth time, they still rock!


It's a history book.  Baldur's Gate did not spring fully formed from the head of Zeus the way League of Legends did.  You need to discuss all the earlier works that influenced its creation and all the later works that were influenced by it.
 
2018-02-07 07:16:11 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Well, it's got Alternate Reality:  The City, so I'm sold.


If that's the game I remember, I got no where . I think I found a knife one time when I mugged a guy.  Spent more time trying to roll a decent character.
 
2018-02-07 07:29:45 PM  
Very cool read, but how the hell does he manage to mention Chrono Trigger without reviewing it?!?!
 
2018-02-07 07:39:08 PM  
For Final Fantasy they only have 1, 7 and 8. Big surprise that 7 gets 2 pages, 8 gets 1 page and the original gets some tiny ass paragraph. The fanboyism is strong with this one.

In the history of RPGs you're seriously going to skip over FF4 and FF6? Wtf
 
2018-02-07 07:51:20 PM  

DoubleEcho88: For Final Fantasy they only have 1, 7 and 8. Big surprise that 7 gets 2 pages, 8 gets 1 page and the original gets some tiny ass paragraph. The fanboyism is strong with this one.

In the history of RPGs you're seriously going to skip over FF4 and FF6? Wtf


The headline of TFA says it focuses on PC RPGs.  I haven't skimmed through the book yet, so I'm not sure how much it holds to that.
 
2018-02-07 07:55:54 PM  

UberDave: Holy crap.  I haven't seen Alter Ego mentioned by anyone online in years.  And if you bring it up people are like, "huh?"

/Played a shiatload of those at one time or another.


Alter Ego emulated.

There used to be a playable version from the original author's website, but it looks like he decided to make a Steam/App Store port and is selling it for $5. There's a link to "play it once" for free, too. If you die from drinking bleach as a 2-year old, it might be possible to delete cookies or otherwise evade the limitation to play again, but I haven't tried.
 
2018-02-07 08:23:27 PM  

Skyfrog: Averam: Skyfrog: I really wish people would stop using the pdf format for ebooks and use epub instead. PDFs are for documents, not for ebooks.

Still, I will definitely be reading this.

If it bothers you that much just run it through Calibre.

Converting pdfs never seems to work very well in my experience. One of the reason there are specific formats just for ebooks is that they should have reflowable text that can fit whatever device you are using unlike static PDFs which aren't even supported on some readers and can be very hard to read on small screens.

Looking at this particular book though I see there are lots of photos and illustrations so I can see why they went with pdf. I was just hoping I could load it up on my Nook and curl up somewhere to read it but I can't complain. It's free and it looks like it's going to be really interesting.


PDF files belong in prison
 
2018-02-07 10:28:19 PM  
Downloaded it, will have to give it a look over. Might even find some things I haven't heard of before.
 
2018-02-07 10:50:48 PM  
I remember playing the hell out of Phantasie II on my C-64. But Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back on the Atari ST had to be my all time favourite.
 
2018-02-08 12:18:50 AM  

Averam: Skyfrog: I really wish people would stop using the pdf format for ebooks and use epub instead. PDFs are for documents, not for ebooks.

Still, I will definitely be reading this.

If it bothers you that much just run it through Calibre


Damn, that's six or seven layers of Poe's law in ten words.
 
2018-02-08 04:18:38 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Skyfrog: I really wish people would stop using the pdf format for ebooks and use epub instead. PDFs are for documents, not for ebooks.

Still, I will definitely be reading this.

Try The Digital Antiquarian. Many in-depth articles on early adventure and RPG games with archives that can be downloaded as a series of twelve ebooks in .epub or .mobi format.


Thanks!
 
2018-02-08 06:53:43 AM  

divx88: Don't see any mention of MUDs. Used to play Gemstone (https://www.play.net/gs4/signin_neede​d.asp) years ago.


They pretty much ignored MMORPG's too.  No Everquest, DAoC, WoW, AC, Shadowbane, AO etc.
 
2018-02-08 07:46:22 AM  

born_yesterday: Rev. Skarekroe: Well, it's got Alternate Reality:  The City, so I'm sold.

If that's the game I remember, I got no where . I think I found a knife one time when I mugged a guy.  Spent more time trying to roll a decent character.


That's the one.
 
2018-02-08 08:12:36 AM  
wow it has all my favorites.  phantasie, questron, alternate reality.

alternate reality is being remade with all the modules city and dungeon as one game

https://github.com/bob0bob/arx


hooray!
 
2018-02-08 08:29:39 AM  
It's got to be tough to make a compendium of RPGs, because of the sheer number of games that could be maybe construed as RPG-like, and the numerous fanboys who will complain because Below The Root and Maniac Mansion aren't on the list, etc etc.

I suppose a good way to define a computer RPG is to require the ability to roll your own character, instead of playing some predefined one.  That whittles down the set of games a great deal, although it would oddly exclude games like Dungeon Master, where you must choose a team from a hall of heroes.
 
2018-02-08 10:03:50 AM  

Xcott: It's got to be tough to make a compendium of RPGs, because of the sheer number of games that could be maybe construed as RPG-like, and the numerous fanboys who will complain because Below The Root and Maniac Mansion aren't on the list, etc etc.

I suppose a good way to define a computer RPG is to require the ability to roll your own character, instead of playing some predefined one.  That whittles down the set of games a great deal, although it would oddly exclude games like Dungeon Master, where you must choose a team from a hall of heroes.


I define it as having statistics based combat. Of course people will argue over details, but personally I would call Below the Root an action adventure (or aardvark if you prefer)  and Maniac Mansion an adventure game. Neither would belong in an RPG book.
 
2018-02-08 10:21:45 AM  

born_yesterday: Rev. Skarekroe: Well, it's got Alternate Reality:  The City, so I'm sold.

If that's the game I remember, I got no where . I think I found a knife one time when I mugged a guy.  Spent more time trying to roll a decent character.


The trick was to step through the gate when it was showing high levels of either Charm or Intelligence, because with those stats you can kill enemies without weapons.
 
2018-02-08 03:39:04 PM  
Fark, that reminded me of playing Bard's Tale III on an Apple IIc when I was a kid. I'd beaten Ultima V on my trusty Apple computer, my first big cRPG, and Bard's Tale III didn't impress me as much, but it was still fun. Then I got stuck. Forever. To this day I still remember where I got stuck. To continue in the game I had to know how many times to turn each of two keys to open a door. I never did figure it out, and didn't know where to find a hint. Unable to progress any further, I eventually abandoned the game.

For the hell of it, I just googled it and found the answer almost immediately. It's 18 turns and 15 turns. hah.
 
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