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2018-02-07 12:55:43 PM  
 
2018-02-07 01:02:04 PM  

Dr.Fey: His agent told him it was a mistake to leave the Pats. The agent also represents the Colts GM, so there's more to this.


His agent said BACKING OUT was a mistake.

Garafolo reported on NFL Network's Good Morning Football that even McDaniels' agent, Bob LaMonte, told the OC that he's making perhaps the biggest professional mistake of his career by backing out of this Colts job at this point, according to sources informed of the talks between McDaniels and his agent.
 
2018-02-07 01:11:50 PM  
As long as he doesn't turn into Lane Kiffin in the next two years, he'll be handed the NE job when BB leaves. He's got nothing to worry about.
 
2018-02-07 01:18:30 PM  
Some guys are just not cut out to be the boss.
 
2018-02-07 01:20:52 PM  

GardenWeasel: Dr.Fey: His agent told him it was a mistake to leave the Pats. The agent also represents the Colts GM, so there's more to this.

His agent said BACKING OUT was a mistake.

Garafolo reported on NFL Network's Good Morning Football that even McDaniels' agent, Bob LaMonte, told the OC that he's making perhaps the biggest professional mistake of his career by backing out of this Colts job at this point, according to sources informed of the talks between McDaniels and his agent.


How big a mistake can it be?  The dude is making a buttload of money and is very obviously in-line to take over a dynasty not a team with a great QB who still can't make the playoffs cause the rest of team blows.
 
2018-02-07 01:24:00 PM  
Josh's five minutes of rigorous Google searching revealed Andrew Luck's throwing arm & shoulder are being held together with Elmer's Glue and Popsicle Sticks.
 
2018-02-07 01:25:00 PM  

you need help: As long as he doesn't turn into Lane Kiffin in the next two years, he'll be handed the NE job when BB leaves. He's got nothing to worry about.


Except that will probably be the worst job in football.   Replacing a legend HC almost always ends in a dumpster fire, replacing a Hall of Fame QB on top of it will be a spectacular one.     It will be like Jimmy Johnson trying to replace Don Shula and Dan Marino, except Patriot Fans are 10000X more spoiled and Jimmy Johnson's HC legacy goodwill of winning back to back Superbowls and Josh McDaniels HC legacy is thinking Tim Tebow was worth a 1st round pick.   You have an entire generation of Pats fans who  believe going to the Superbowl every year is just the natural order of things.  The first time he loses back to back games the Patriot Fans will be screaming to bring Belichik out of retirement, and he'll be run out of town if he doesn't win a Superbowl within 3 years.

That's even assuming that Belichick/Kraft/McDaniel are just to completely gracefully hand over the torch and agree to it on terms everyone is happy with.   Then at some point you'll have to tell 45 year old Tom Brady he doesn't have it anymore and he needs to hang it up.  Good luck with that.
 
2018-02-07 01:36:11 PM  
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2018-02-07 01:36:21 PM  
Colts fans gave us so much shiat for hiring Vrabel, now the other AFCS can join us in laughing back at the Colts.
 
2018-02-07 01:36:37 PM  
Josh wants to be guy who thrives as an NFL coach on his second attempt after failing miserably during his first attempt.

Like Bill Belichick
 
2018-02-07 01:37:10 PM  
Funny thing, it's almost as if not having any offer or contract for next year from your current employer makes a guy start thinking about where his next job is going to be.

Ya know how to keep your OC from shopping around?  Give him a contract, dummies!  Sure he might still test the water, but at least he knows you want him back!
 
2018-02-07 01:38:02 PM  
You have to love the setup.  Now They'll be able to score more than 30 points in a super bowl!

WHO'S THE NEW F*CKING DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR AND WHO'S THE NEW F*CKING DEFENSIVE LINE?!!!
 
2018-02-07 01:40:05 PM  
Another part of the Patriots' sales pitch that swayed McDaniels, per sources, was a long-term contractual commitment that would give McDaniels' four children, who are ages 12, 10, 6 and 3, the chance to stay in the same school system for an extended period of time.

This is bullshiat because they could fire him 2 years into the contract no matter how long they made it for. All it does it guarantee how long they'll be paying him.
 
2018-02-07 01:41:18 PM  
Would YOU want to work for this douchebag?

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2018-02-07 01:48:40 PM  

Super_pope: GardenWeasel: Dr.Fey: His agent told him it was a mistake to leave the Pats. The agent also represents the Colts GM, so there's more to this.

His agent said BACKING OUT was a mistake.

Garafolo reported on NFL Network's Good Morning Football that even McDaniels' agent, Bob LaMonte, told the OC that he's making perhaps the biggest professional mistake of his career by backing out of this Colts job at this point, according to sources informed of the talks between McDaniels and his agent.

How big a mistake can it be?  The dude is making a buttload of money and is very obviously in-line to take over a dynasty not a team with a great QB who still can't make the playoffs cause the rest of team blows.


Maybe, if he can keep the ship afloat.

If his stint in NE doesn't pan out, who is going to want to hire him? Brady may have a year or 2 left. He isn't going to be there forever.

If Bill steps away, is he going to take over as GM as well? What other coaches/players/agents are going to trust him?

What teams are going to want to trade with him? "Oops, sorry, I said we would take your pick and not select your guy. My bad."

"You are who we thought you were."
 
2018-02-07 01:50:16 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Would YOU want to work for this douchebag?

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Yes. Being IT for a NFL team would be cool as shiat.
 
2018-02-07 01:50:28 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Would YOU want to work for this douchebag?

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I would not. But your OC sure did.
 
2018-02-07 01:53:22 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Would YOU want to work for this douchebag?

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Remember that douche with the bedazzled jeans at the beginning of Deadpool?  I guarantee he owns that shirt.
 
2018-02-07 01:54:03 PM  
That is SUPER embarrassing for Indy.  Patriots drama is the best drama!  Lose the Super Bowl and still rake in all of the headlines.
 
2018-02-07 01:56:43 PM  

InmanRoshi: You have an entire generation of Pats fans who  believe going to the Superbowl every year is just the natural order of things.


and two more who followed the team before 2001. the millennials do not speak for or make up the majority of the fan base, no matter how much they want to vent online or on sports radio
 
2018-02-07 01:58:40 PM  

SuperChuck: Another part of the Patriots' sales pitch that swayed McDaniels, per sources, was a long-term contractual commitment that would give McDaniels' four children, who are ages 12, 10, 6 and 3, the chance to stay in the same school system for an extended period of time.

This is bullshiat because they could fire him 2 years into the contract no matter how long they made it for. All it does it guarantee how long they'll be paying him.


How does having a contract guaranteeing how long he's getting millions of dollars a year not give his children the chance to stay in the same school system for the duration of that contract?
 
2018-02-07 02:01:19 PM  

swankywanky: InmanRoshi: You have an entire generation of Pats fans who  believe going to the Superbowl every year is just the natural order of things.

and two more who followed the team before 2001. the millennials do not speak for or make up the majority of the fan base, no matter how much they want to vent online or on sports radio


The same generation who threw out Pete Carroll and said he would never win anything because he wasn't Parcells?
 
2018-02-07 02:07:50 PM  

InmanRoshi: swankywanky: InmanRoshi: You have an entire generation of Pats fans who  believe going to the Superbowl every year is just the natural order of things.

and two more who followed the team before 2001. the millennials do not speak for or make up the majority of the fan base, no matter how much they want to vent online or on sports radio

The same generation who threw out Pete Carroll and said he would never win anything because he wasn't Parcells?


What does Carroll have to do with thinking they were going to the SB every year? In fact, that pretty much goes against your original argument that the Pats' fan base feels entitled. He did not work out there and it was pretty obvious. 27-21 in his three years as the HC wasn;t blowing a lot of wind up skirts in New England.
 
2018-02-07 02:07:54 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I would not. But your OC sure did.


And then he thought better of it. No QB and unstable ownership is not an attractive opportunity.
 
2018-02-07 02:07:55 PM  

Super_pope: GardenWeasel: Dr.Fey: His agent told him it was a mistake to leave the Pats. The agent also represents the Colts GM, so there's more to this.

His agent said BACKING OUT was a mistake.

Garafolo reported on NFL Network's Good Morning Football that even McDaniels' agent, Bob LaMonte, told the OC that he's making perhaps the biggest professional mistake of his career by backing out of this Colts job at this point, according to sources informed of the talks between McDaniels and his agent.

How big a mistake can it be?  The dude is making a buttload of money and is very obviously in-line to take over a dynasty not a team with a great QB who still can't make the playoffs cause the rest of team blows.


Source says agent Bob LaMonte, who represents Josh McDaniels, Colts GM Chris Ballard and many other coaches/execs, is terminating his relationship with McDaniels. https://t.co/jgWVRaKW2b

- Dan Graziano (@DanGrazianoESPN) February 7, 2018
 
2018-02-07 02:14:30 PM  
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2018-02-07 02:16:42 PM  
I know ESPN has to write something when the NFL is done for the season, but this was weapons-grade horseshiat,

FTA: 3. McDaniels' fondness for the Patriots began to grow in recent days as he considered what he was walking away from, specifically with relationships he had built with those inside the organization, according to those close to him. In the end, the strength of those relationships

Five years, a few Super Bowls, but just since Monday he started to notice that he liked these guys.
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2018-02-07 02:31:44 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: And then he thought better of it. No QB and unstable ownership is not an attractive opportunity.


Certainly not. But if they wanted him back they should have had that shiat wrapped up already. Looks like amateur hour over there in the front office.
 
2018-02-07 02:32:40 PM  

GardenWeasel: Super_pope: GardenWeasel: Dr.Fey: His agent told him it was a mistake to leave the Pats. The agent also represents the Colts GM, so there's more to this.

His agent said BACKING OUT was a mistake.

Garafolo reported on NFL Network's Good Morning Football that even McDaniels' agent, Bob LaMonte, told the OC that he's making perhaps the biggest professional mistake of his career by backing out of this Colts job at this point, according to sources informed of the talks between McDaniels and his agent.

How big a mistake can it be?  The dude is making a buttload of money and is very obviously in-line to take over a dynasty not a team with a great QB who still can't make the playoffs cause the rest of team blows.

Source says agent Bob LaMonte, who represents Josh McDaniels, Colts GM Chris Ballard and many other coaches/execs, is terminating his relationship with McDaniels. https://t.co/jgWVRaKW2b

- Dan Graziano (@DanGrazianoESPN) February 7, 2018


I'm sure he'll never get hired even as an OC ever again because he backed out of taking over a shiatty franchise with a shiatty owner in a time of being extra shiatty in favor of the team he's been with for years where they win a lot.
 
dwg
2018-02-07 02:33:18 PM  
wow.. ESPN <checks twitter>, "Hey, I've got an article".

Also, Kraft is just as much of a douche as Irsay - he's just more secret about it (a la what just happened).

As far as McD goes - man, I hope he doesn't expect to work anywhere else in the league for a LONG time.  At that level, when you say "yes" and walk an organization up to the alter (with your best men hand selected), you better be ready to sign the contract.  What a wanker.
 
2018-02-07 02:34:01 PM  

InmanRoshi: swankywanky: InmanRoshi: You have an entire generation of Pats fans who  believe going to the Superbowl every year is just the natural order of things.

and two more who followed the team before 2001. the millennials do not speak for or make up the majority of the fan base, no matter how much they want to vent online or on sports radio

The same generation who threw out Pete Carroll and said he would never win anything because he wasn't Parcells?


Yea firing Carroll worked out horrible for them.  I can only imagine how often they regret that.
 
2018-02-07 02:35:21 PM  

Super_pope: GardenWeasel: Super_pope: GardenWeasel: Dr.Fey: His agent told him it was a mistake to leave the Pats. The agent also represents the Colts GM, so there's more to this.

His agent said BACKING OUT was a mistake.

Garafolo reported on NFL Network's Good Morning Football that even McDaniels' agent, Bob LaMonte, told the OC that he's making perhaps the biggest professional mistake of his career by backing out of this Colts job at this point, according to sources informed of the talks between McDaniels and his agent.

How big a mistake can it be?  The dude is making a buttload of money and is very obviously in-line to take over a dynasty not a team with a great QB who still can't make the playoffs cause the rest of team blows.

Source says agent Bob LaMonte, who represents Josh McDaniels, Colts GM Chris Ballard and many other coaches/execs, is terminating his relationship with McDaniels. https://t.co/jgWVRaKW2b

- Dan Graziano (@DanGrazianoESPN) February 7, 2018

I'm sure he'll never get hired even as an OC ever again because he backed out of taking over a shiatty franchise with a shiatty owner in a time of being extra shiatty in favor of the team he's been with for years where they win a lot.


He's been a crap head coach, a successful OC for a team with Tom Brady and his word is garbage.  The world is full of coaches who are just as qualified; I'd never hire the son of a biatch
 
2018-02-07 02:39:18 PM  

Super_pope: GardenWeasel: Super_pope: GardenWeasel: Dr.Fey: His agent told him it was a mistake to leave the Pats. The agent also represents the Colts GM, so there's more to this.

His agent said BACKING OUT was a mistake.

Garafolo reported on NFL Network's Good Morning Football that even McDaniels' agent, Bob LaMonte, told the OC that he's making perhaps the biggest professional mistake of his career by backing out of this Colts job at this point, according to sources informed of the talks between McDaniels and his agent.

How big a mistake can it be?  The dude is making a buttload of money and is very obviously in-line to take over a dynasty not a team with a great QB who still can't make the playoffs cause the rest of team blows.

Source says agent Bob LaMonte, who represents Josh McDaniels, Colts GM Chris Ballard and many other coaches/execs, is terminating his relationship with McDaniels. https://t.co/jgWVRaKW2b

- Dan Graziano (@DanGrazianoESPN) February 7, 2018

I'm sure he'll never get hired even as an OC ever again because he backed out of taking over a shiatty franchise with a shiatty owner in a time of being extra shiatty in favor of the team he's been with for years where they win a lot.


Jim Irsay has had (still has?) substance abuse issues. But he is not a shiatty owner. He is not Bob Irsay. He is not Jerry Jones. He is not Jimmy Haslam. He stays out of day-to-day football decisions. He is loyal to a fault. He doesn't fire his coach every year (although he should have). He gives a crap ton of money to the community w/o press.
 
2018-02-07 02:42:13 PM  
He's just copying Belichick's career path.  Be a coordinator for a legendary coach, leave to be a head coach and fail, and return to old coordinator job with legendary coach.  Now McDaniels had reached the final step:  agree to be the head coach of a Patriots rival and then kick them in the dick and walk away.  I'm assuming it's all part of a Kraft voodoo ceremony or satanic ritual to assure another 20 years of Patriots success.
 
2018-02-07 02:44:08 PM  
Everybody knows the Patriot way is filled with lying cheating douche canoes.
The AFC East plays the AFC South this year. He may have even been spying
 
2018-02-07 02:46:08 PM  

Naido: Super_pope: GardenWeasel: Super_pope: GardenWeasel: Dr.Fey: His agent told him it was a mistake to leave the Pats. The agent also represents the Colts GM, so there's more to this.

His agent said BACKING OUT was a mistake.

Garafolo reported on NFL Network's Good Morning Football that even McDaniels' agent, Bob LaMonte, told the OC that he's making perhaps the biggest professional mistake of his career by backing out of this Colts job at this point, according to sources informed of the talks between McDaniels and his agent.

How big a mistake can it be?  The dude is making a buttload of money and is very obviously in-line to take over a dynasty not a team with a great QB who still can't make the playoffs cause the rest of team blows.

Source says agent Bob LaMonte, who represents Josh McDaniels, Colts GM Chris Ballard and many other coaches/execs, is terminating his relationship with McDaniels. https://t.co/jgWVRaKW2b

- Dan Graziano (@DanGrazianoESPN) February 7, 2018

I'm sure he'll never get hired even as an OC ever again because he backed out of taking over a shiatty franchise with a shiatty owner in a time of being extra shiatty in favor of the team he's been with for years where they win a lot.

He's been a crap head coach, a successful OC for a team with Tom Brady and his word is garbage.  The world is full of coaches who are just as qualified; I'd never hire the son of a biatch


I'm sure he'll lose sleep over that.
 
2018-02-07 02:48:41 PM  
From an NFL official: "After further review, the Colts did not have complete possession of Josh McDaniels with two feet in bounds. Possession reverts to the New England Patriots, automatic first down."
 
2018-02-07 02:54:28 PM  

gunsmack: I know ESPN has to write something when the NFL is done for the season, but this was weapons-grade horseshiat,

FTA: 3. McDaniels' fondness for the Patriots began to grow in recent days as he considered what he was walking away from, specifically with relationships he had built with those inside the organization, according to those close to him. In the end, the strength of those relationships

Five years, a few Super Bowls, but just since Monday he started to notice that he liked these guys.
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Hey give the worldwide leader a break, between now and September they have to discuss baseball (ugh), a pointless NBA regular season, and feign interest in the Olympics. They need this NFL story
 
2018-02-07 03:01:21 PM  
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Hmmm...

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2018-02-07 03:02:09 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: From an NFL official: "After further review, the Colts did not have complete possession of Josh McDaniels with two feet in bounds. Possession reverts to the New England Patriots, automatic first down."


Now THAT is how the funny is made.  Eleventy-seven internets to you, good sir/madam/other.
 
2018-02-07 03:12:56 PM  

swankywanky: What does Carroll have to do with thinking they were going to the SB every year? In fact, that pretty much goes against your original argument that the Pats' fan base feels entitled. He did not work out there and it was pretty obvious. 27-21 in his three years as the HC wasn;t blowing a lot of wind up skirts in New England.


It has to do with the "older" generation isn't going to be any less spoiled than the younger generation.   Parcells got to one Superbowl  and next thing you knew putting up winning records wasnt good enough anymore, so they ran Pete Carroll out of town despite the fact that Carroll is obviously a good coach .  So how much leash is McDaniel going to get in New England replacing the most successful HC/QB combo of all time?   Zero.     Pat Fans are going to run McDaniels out of town after 3 years because he's not Belichick, and no other organization will want him after that.   He's just cemented hispersonal reputation from Denver as a world class douche, and professionally he'll be seen as nothing more than Belichick's coattail rider and stooge.
 
2018-02-07 03:13:31 PM  

meanmutton: SuperChuck: Another part of the Patriots' sales pitch that swayed McDaniels, per sources, was a long-term contractual commitment that would give McDaniels' four children, who are ages 12, 10, 6 and 3, the chance to stay in the same school system for an extended period of time.

This is bullshiat because they could fire him 2 years into the contract no matter how long they made it for. All it does it guarantee how long they'll be paying him.

How does having a contract guaranteeing how long he's getting millions of dollars a year not give his children the chance to stay in the same school system for the duration of that contract?


Because if he gets fired, he's not going to stop working and just sit at home. He's going to take another job, which will be in another city and his children will have to move and change schools.
 
2018-02-07 03:13:40 PM  
His agent is 100% right, he's played himself. Sure, he gets to be heir apparent for Belichick, but anyone with half a brain recognizes that is going to be the shiattiest job in the NFL when it happens. Unless McDaniels can string together endless 12-4 seasons and go to the SB every other year he will be kicked out within three years of the job, like every other NFL coach in the league.

Only now, when he inevitably gets fired no one in the NFL will come knocking because he's established he will happily make a franchise look like idiots. And that's like the #1 cardinal sin for NFL owners. He's set himself up for unreasonable standards and future failure.
 
2018-02-07 03:25:16 PM  
Is the focus of the franchise to win a Superbowl or two under Belichick/Brady or to transition to McDaniels? Because Belichick is probably going to focus on allocating resources to winning now, and Brady isn't going to be interested with standing on the sidelines so McDaniels can see if his next QB has got the goods. I've heard it said that the Patriots are going to pick Brady's replacement with the 31st pick for McDaniels to groom to step in when he's the HC. Good luck with that. Brady playing at such a high level for ~20 years has let the Patriots act like gin rummy card players drawing and discarding cards until they find just the right one. They hit on Garroppolo, but only after drawing and discarding Ryan Mallet, Kevin O'Connell, Rohan Davey, etc. on the way there. They've now got one shot to hit on a QB with a non-premium pick, and they won't know if it worked until 2-3 years down the road?  Does McDaniels realize how much the rest of the league is going to relish kicking the dog crap out of them when they're phasing in the latest version of Jacoby Brissett as their Brady replacement?
 
2018-02-07 03:45:56 PM  

InmanRoshi: swankywanky: What does Carroll have to do with thinking they were going to the SB every year? In fact, that pretty much goes against your original argument that the Pats' fan base feels entitled. He did not work out there and it was pretty obvious. 27-21 in his three years as the HC wasn;t blowing a lot of wind up skirts in New England.

It has to do with the "older" generation isn't going to be any less spoiled than the younger generation.   Parcells got to one Superbowl  and next thing you knew putting up winning records wasnt good enough anymore, so they ran Pete Carroll out of town despite the fact that Carroll is obviously a good coach .  So how much leash is McDaniel going to get in New England replacing the most successful HC/QB combo of all time?   Zero.     Pat Fans are going to run McDaniels out of town after 3 years because he's not Belichick, and no other organization will want him after that.   He's just cemented hispersonal reputation from Denver as a world class douche, and professionally he'll be seen as nothing more than Belichick's coattail rider and stooge.


Pete the Poodle's 3 years with New England
10-6
9-7
8-8
Just the direction you want to go in.
 
2018-02-07 03:56:54 PM  

swankywanky: What does Carroll have to do with thinking they were going to the SB every year? In fact, that pretty much goes against your original argument that the Pats' fan base feels entitled. He did not work out there and it was pretty obvious. 27-21 in his three years as the HC wasn;t blowing a lot of wind up skirts in New England.


Prior to Bill, Carroll had the highest win percentage of any Pats coach ever, despite being 5th in wins out of the 13 coaches before Bill.

\random facts: with a 7-9 season, Darth Hoodie will have four TIMES the wins of the second-winningest coach in Patriots history, Mike Holovak. He also has 42% of all franchise victories despite coaching 31% of the games. He won't get the halfway mark because that's 74 wins away.
 
2018-02-07 04:00:56 PM  
Or maybe Luck isn't going to be healthy.
 
2018-02-07 04:02:03 PM  

robbrie: Josh wants to be guy who thrives as an NFL coach on his second attempt after failing miserably during his first attempt.

Like Bill Belichick


Actually, the Cheatriots are Darth Hoodie's 3rd stop, not second. See:

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Technically speaking, the Colts would even fail at THAT, since he never actually signed the contract, so he never *was* the actual coach

InmanRoshi: you need help: As long as he doesn't turn into Lane Kiffin in the next two years, he'll be handed the NE job when BB leaves. He's got nothing to worry about.

Except that will probably be the worst job in football.   Replacing a legend HC almost always ends in a dumpster fire, replacing a Hall of Fame QB on top of it will be a spectacular one.     It will be like Jimmy Johnson trying to replace Don Shula and Dan Marino, except Patriot Fans are 10000X more spoiled and Jimmy Johnson's HC legacy goodwill of winning back to back Superbowls and Josh McDaniels HC legacy is thinking Tim Tebow was worth a 1st round pick.   You have an entire generation of Pats fans who  believe going to the Superbowl every year is just the natural order of things.  The first time he loses back to back games the Patriot Fans will be screaming to bring Belichik out of retirement, and he'll be run out of town if he doesn't win a Superbowl within 3 years.

That's even assuming that Belichick/Kraft/McDaniel are just to completely gracefully hand over the torch and agree to it on terms everyone is happy with.   Then at some point you'll have to tell 45 year old Tom Brady he doesn't have it anymore and he needs to hang it up.  Good luck with that.


ALL this.

Given what I saw of his time in Denver, he's where he belongs.
 
2018-02-07 04:05:30 PM  

LarryDan43: Or maybe Luck isn't going to be healthy.


He never talked to Luck. Not even once.
 
2018-02-07 04:15:26 PM  

GardenWeasel: LarryDan43: Or maybe Luck isn't going to be healthy.

He never talked to Luck. Not even once.


Probably not necessary to determine the status on his health. Not that the Colts' staff physicians would be much help.
 
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