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2018-02-07 02:15:42 AM  
Dangerously cheesy.
 
2018-02-07 04:17:39 AM  
Wouldn't it be ironic if the guy was not representative of what they looked like in that region.  He moved in, the neighbors got worried about a dark person in the neighborhood, killed him and thousands of years later scientists think EVERYBODY looked like him.

I'd say he got the last laugh...
 
2018-02-07 05:17:54 AM  
The first modern Briton had "dark to black" skin, groundbreaking new analysis of his 10,000-year-old remains has revealed.

That's gonna rustle some jimmies
 
2018-02-07 05:31:57 AM  

Snapper Carr: The first modern Briton had "dark to black" skin, groundbreaking new analysis of his 10,000-year-old remains has revealed.

That's gonna rustle some jimmies


Don't worry, cognitive dissonance will take care of that.
 
2018-02-07 06:04:26 AM  
Well Gouda for them.
 
2018-02-07 06:05:56 AM  

Snapper Carr: The first modern Briton had "dark to black" skin, groundbreaking new analysis of his 10,000-year-old remains has revealed.

That's gonna rustle some jimmies


Based on the comments to this an related articles, the jimmies are completely rustled already and this is another liberal plot.
 
2018-02-07 06:12:14 AM  
Let me know when they find and display a mellified man.
 
2018-02-07 06:33:12 AM  
They scanned the skull and a 3D model was produced by "paleo artists" Alfons and Adrie Kennis, who make life-like reconstructions of extinct mammals and early humans.

Alfons and Adrie then go teach a CrossFit class and then go to a monthly Athiests gathering to celebrate the harvest moon.
 
2018-02-07 06:44:33 AM  

karl2025: Snapper Carr: The first modern Briton had "dark to black" skin, groundbreaking new analysis of his 10,000-year-old remains has revealed.

That's gonna rustle some jimmies

Don't worry, cognitive dissonance will take care of that.


Hey one dude already said his skin color would be decided by the sun because he was outside all the time.
 
2018-02-07 07:34:16 AM  
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Soft butter is more difficult to keep in shape than hard cheese, so THERE!
 
2018-02-07 07:45:33 AM  
I'm afraid there's not much call for him 'round these parts.
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2018-02-07 07:46:19 AM  
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cheddar man has probably aged enough to be mature by now.
 
2018-02-07 07:53:54 AM  
But can you roll him down Cooper's Hill in Gloucestershire?
 
2018-02-07 08:06:28 AM  
And his descendent
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2018-02-07 08:06:32 AM  
Need a bucket of popcorn I'm going to go read the comments
 
2018-02-07 08:08:36 AM  
Makes me wonder what Briebart has to say about this.
 
2018-02-07 08:26:49 AM  
So the Black Irish weren't a myth after all.
 
2018-02-07 09:00:02 AM  

gottagopee: And his descendent
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Does that make him a cannibal?
 
2018-02-07 09:10:50 AM  
So, Brenter.
 
stk
2018-02-07 09:22:54 AM  
I want more research into Doggerland. That time period is absolutely fascinating.
 
2018-02-07 09:24:16 AM  
Oh, grate!
 
2018-02-07 09:27:14 AM  

hissatsu: Snapper Carr: The first modern Briton had "dark to black" skin, groundbreaking new analysis of his 10,000-year-old remains has revealed.

That's gonna rustle some jimmies

Based on the comments to this an related articles, the jimmies are completely rustled already and this is another liberal plot.


Oh for fark's sake, people. Either your ancestors 10,000 years ago were black, or they were 50,000 years ago. Does it really make a difference?

This was all decided when some father in Africa told his three sons to find their own way to happiness. One stayed, since the jungles of Africa offered everything they needed. One turned to the east, because his heart craved open oceans and islands. And the third one went north because he was tired of bugs and poisonous plants. And as soon as he stepped foot in snow and set eyes on a mammoth he decided "This is it! This is my new home!" And his penis responded "it's your call... but if we stay here, I'm only coming out when I'm needed."
 
2018-02-07 09:34:10 AM  

vinniethepoo: Makes me wonder what Briebart has to say about this.


He's dead so probably nothing.
 
2018-02-07 10:14:02 AM  
Ode On the Mammoth Cheese by James Mcintyre 1827 1906
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2018-02-07 10:14:35 AM  

PunkTiger: [img.fark.net image 450x626]

Soft butter is more difficult to keep in shape than hard cheese, so THERE!


Buttery males!
 
2018-02-07 10:18:32 AM  
Story is incomplete without Bacon Girl.
 
2018-02-07 10:21:25 AM  
I can believe that early British inhabitants were much darker than current ones. I was on Haida Gwaii recently. The Haida are very pale-skinned. Haida Gwaii is a cool/cold rainy place, latitude 53 just like Britain. I believe that the need for vitamin D would exert powerful evolutionary pressure to get the melanin out of your skin.
 
2018-02-07 10:31:51 AM  
Cue creationists saying scientists are at it again, never learning from Piltdown Man and Nebraska Man...

/Note: Cheddar Man predates both.
 
2018-02-07 10:41:04 AM  
British stiff upper lip?
Mmmmm.
Checks out.  Move along.

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2018-02-07 10:52:29 AM  
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2018-02-07 11:43:57 AM  
Weren't the Picts described as dark skinned? Or am I confused?
 
2018-02-07 11:53:17 AM  

ihateallofyou: Weren't the Picts described as dark skinned? Or am I confused?


Both.
 
2018-02-07 11:53:55 AM  
I'll start the game.

Today
 
2018-02-07 11:55:05 AM  
I think he looks like The guy from The Warriors.
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2018-02-07 11:56:18 AM  

ihateallofyou: Weren't the Picts described as dark skinned? Or am I confused?


Picts or it didn't happen!
 
2018-02-07 12:06:03 PM  

ihateallofyou: Weren't the Picts described as dark skinned? Or am I confused?


Yes, both Tacticus and Pliny (Roman historians who visited the British Isles in the 1st and 2nd Centuries CE, respectively) described the Picts as dark complexioned with curly hair. Pliny specifically described them as looking "Ethiopian".
 
2018-02-07 12:23:14 PM  
Blue eyes can be caused by a variety of genes which reduce the amount of pigmentation. Hence they are more widespread than pure Mendellan inheritance would suggest. There are lots of blue-eyed dark skinned people, they can be found in India, Saudi Arabia and Africa. It is possible for two completely dark-haired or brown-eyed people to have a blond(e) and blue-eyed child if they carry enough of the pigment-reducing genes to form a sort of quorum despite there being no blue eyed, green eyed or hazel eyed ancestors in their respective family trees within living or genealogical memory.

They do not necessarily mean that there was adultery, even when both parents have no "blue eyed" gene.

It happens. Always has, for a given definition of "always".

The blue-eyed gene is believed to have originated in Europe about 9,000 years ago. It spread because of sexual selection probably. Religion, superstition and social prejudice favour lighter skin and blue eyes, even among Africans, Indians, etc.

Agriculture almost certainly played a role in the development of lighter skin, because women were kept indoors more and because the rich did not have to spend so much time hunting, gathering or working in the fields. Dark skin became a proxy for low caste, birth or income.

Blond hair mutations occured twice, once in the Old World (probably the East or Central Europe) and again in the South Seas, where there are blonds and gingers even without European sailors miscegenating (or raping) native women.

Like albinos, blue eyes and "Sun-touched" air were promoted by superstition (it was deemed holy or lucky).

Even today blond(e)s are treated better by teachers and fellow students and get a pass for much bad behaviour or dumbth. Except for blond(e) jokes.

Also, many white children are born looking blue-eyed and blond but turn dark-eyed, dark-haired and even dark skinned and hairy as they age.

My uncle was born this way and remained light until later childhood, but he became a dark and hairy man.

Mind you, he was always working on a car or a truck. Oil can make you rich and tanned. Or at least oily.

I am a constant preacher of the Truth, namely that genealogy and genetics do not work the way that stupid, racist, bigoted people think they do. I am 99% European and painfully thin white Nordic-skinned. You can see all the colours of the rainbow in the palms of my hands: yellow, that is bone and fat; green, blue, purple, red and pink, those are capillaries or veins. White is knuckles so try to keep them out of your face and your face out of my thin skin.

Some people go white with fear. Other people go white with rage. Know the difference, bully-boy or girl. The life you save may be your own useless life.
 
2018-02-07 12:32:41 PM  

Stone Meadow: ihateallofyou: Weren't the Picts described as dark skinned? Or am I confused?

Yes, both Tacticus and Pliny (Roman historians who visited the British Isles in the 1st and 2nd Centuries CE, respectively) described the Picts as dark complexioned with curly hair. Pliny specifically described them as looking "Ethiopian".


So are we supposed to be surprised that this guy is black? Would it not explain the Picts?
 
2018-02-07 12:36:11 PM  

RJReves: ihateallofyou: Weren't the Picts described as dark skinned? Or am I confused?

Picts or it didn't happen!


The Picts were a tattooed people, who painted themselves blue with woad, a natural vegetable colouring. It was a religious, macho thing, with a touch of superstition, for good luck, probably. Also, it saved on clothing which meant growing flax or raising sheep.

Sidebar:  Humans raised sheep for thousands of years as food before they bothered to use the wool to make yarn. This was probably because gathering and cleaning wool is a heck of a lot of work and woolen clothing, although durable, is nowhere near as durable and tough as leather. Sheep leather is really soft and thin compared to cowhide, and makes really comfie clothes, even socks. Leave the wool on for warmth and water-proofing.

There are still many Pictish place names in Scotland, like Pichlochery, the Pich being Pict pronounced and spelled a bit differently.

Many of us have Pictish ancestors. I presume that they are more frequent among the dark-haired Scots and Irish.

Even in Scotland and Ireland, where the number of gingers reaches about 14% of the population in some places, dark hair and eyes are still dominant, because the genes for those colours are dominant.
 
2018-02-07 12:47:14 PM  

brantgoose: RJReves: ihateallofyou: Weren't the Picts described as dark skinned? Or am I confused?

Picts or it didn't happen!

The Picts were a tattooed people, who painted themselves blue with woad, a natural vegetable colouring. It was a religious, macho thing, with a touch of superstition, for good luck, probably. Also, it saved on clothing which meant growing flax or raising sheep.

Sidebar:  Humans raised sheep for thousands of years as food before they bothered to use the wool to make yarn. This was probably because gathering and cleaning wool is a heck of a lot of work and woolen clothing, although durable, is nowhere near as durable and tough as leather. Sheep leather is really soft and thin compared to cowhide, and makes really comfie clothes, even socks. Leave the wool on for warmth and water-proofing.

There are still many Pictish place names in Scotland, like Pichlochery, the Pich being Pict pronounced and spelled a bit differently.

Many of us have Pictish ancestors. I presume that they are more frequent among the dark-haired Scots and Irish.

Even in Scotland and Ireland, where the number of gingers reaches about 14% of the population in some places, dark hair and eyes are still dominant, because the genes for those colours are dominant.


OK, now you are just Picting on me.
 
2018-02-07 12:49:25 PM  
Even before the testing of Cheddar Man, geneticists have found that the Ancient Greeks and other European hunters and gatherers were dark-haired and dark-skinned. This makes a lot of sense because the peoples who brought agriculture and even the hunter-gatherers before them, came from Middle and Central Asia, via Eastern Europe or the Mediterranean. And the people who came before agriculture were darker still, because agriculture and cities favour indoor house monkeys over outdoor house monkeys.

Three main routes: the Danube, the North Shore and the South Shore of the Mediterranean gave Europe most of its population, plus a bit of Neanderthal and Denisovan.

We don't know what the Denisovans looked like because we have only a couple of finger bones and maybe a few skull fragments or teeth thus far.

The Neanderthals are known to have had red hair and light skins, relatively speaking, because they were in the dark, damp Northern climes much longer than the modern humans from the South and East.

Dark skin prevents your skin from making Vitamin D from Vitamin A. Many diseases are linked to a lack of Vitamin D and A. Humans are among the few animals that lack the ability to make Vitamin C as well, IIRC.

Chimps do it. Humans do not. Humans need their fruit and vegetables and lack the tough teeth for eating a diet of bark, twigs, roots and so forth.

One of the diseases that are more common in the North is MS. This is a key factor in the theory that darker, wetter climates favour lighter skin and lighter eyes and hair. It costs (not money, but energy) to make all those dark pigments. White or pink is basically the default skin colour setting, even in Chimpanzees and pigs. If you are born without a pigment-making gene, you are an albino, even if you are Black African or South Indian. Lots of luck. Superstition people will kill you as a witch or use you as parts in a magical spell. Then again, they might worship you as a God, even when you insist on dying yourself orange to look more human or rich or whatever that shiat is about.

According to Ivanka Trump (one of the chief leakers in the White House, although everybody in the White House is an incorrigible self-promoter and leaker) Donald Trump's hair is clown orange because he is too impatient to leave the dye on until his hair turns its natural slightly orangey Scottish brun (or Broon).

Ivanka knows whereof she speaks. Although she doesn't speak much in front of Daddy Warbucks Pussy-Hat.

So there is another mystery solved:  dye doesn't know what your natural hair colour is. YOU DO. And you can keep it if you want to and have the patience to wait for your bottle-blond(e) hair to turn dark.
 
2018-02-07 12:51:08 PM  

RJReves: brantgoose: RJReves: ihateallofyou: Weren't the Picts described as dark skinned? Or am I confused?

Picts or it didn't happen!

The Picts were a tattooed people, who painted themselves blue with woad, a natural vegetable colouring. It was a religious, macho thing, with a touch of superstition, for good luck, probably. Also, it saved on clothing which meant growing flax or raising sheep.

Sidebar:  Humans raised sheep for thousands of years as food before they bothered to use the wool to make yarn. This was probably because gathering and cleaning wool is a heck of a lot of work and woolen clothing, although durable, is nowhere near as durable and tough as leather. Sheep leather is really soft and thin compared to cowhide, and makes really comfie clothes, even socks. Leave the wool on for warmth and water-proofing.

There are still many Pictish place names in Scotland, like Pichlochery, the Pich being Pict pronounced and spelled a bit differently.

Many of us have Pictish ancestors. I presume that they are more frequent among the dark-haired Scots and Irish.

Even in Scotland and Ireland, where the number of gingers reaches about 14% of the population in some places, dark hair and eyes are still dominant, because the genes for those colours are dominant.

OK, now you are just Picting on me.


I like picts. They made such nice artwork that they named pictures after them (may not be true). In fact, I know that the word for picture comes from the Greek and the Picts were called "the painted people' so pictures came first and the Picts got that name because the Greeks picked on everybody who wasn't Hellene like them.
 
2018-02-07 12:54:47 PM  

TheWhoppah: British stiff upper lip?
Mmmmm.
Checks out.  Move along.

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Is it just me or does this guy look like Alex Jones, the famous Welsh-American barbarian and conspiracist?

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I wouldn't want to meet either of these guys in a dark forest.

I will be banned for 24 hours if I say anything more about the Welsh temperament in this post.

But let's just say that the Welsh have the same temperament as the Scots, the English, the Irish, the French, the Germans and so forth.

 
2018-02-07 12:56:26 PM  
He has something of a Red Indian thing going, except for the facial hair.

In fact, some theories and some genetics connect many North Americans to men who lived in Europe. Like Abraham and Lot, one went East and the other went West until they met again in New York City about 1624.
 
2018-02-07 12:59:51 PM  
Well, that's enough about my family tree. I am pretty sure that Cheddar Man is in it. I love cheese.

I love Danish cheese, English cheese, French cheese, Swiss Cheese, German cheese, all kinds of cheese.

I have a theory that you should eat what your (distant peasant) ancestors ate. Genes do play a role in digestion. Thanks to my Danish ancestry (90% lactose-tolerant) I can eat a lot more cheese and dairy products than the average Chinese (25% lactose-tolerant). Ironically, China is the world's largest producer and consumer of dairy products, but not necessarily cheese. That too, probably. So much for stereotypes.
 
2018-02-07 01:15:25 PM  

Snapper Carr: The first modern Briton had "dark to black" skin, groundbreaking new analysis of his 10,000-year-old remains has revealed.

That's gonna rustle some jimmies


"cause he's part eggplant.
 
2018-02-07 01:20:19 PM  

ihateallofyou: Stone Meadow: ihateallofyou: Weren't the Picts described as dark skinned? Or am I confused?

Yes, both Tacticus and Pliny (Roman historians who visited the British Isles in the 1st and 2nd Centuries CE, respectively) described the Picts as dark complexioned with curly hair. Pliny specifically described them as looking "Ethiopian".

So are we supposed to be surprised that this guy is black? Would it not explain the Picts?


We've known for a long time that Paleolithic and Mesolithic Europeans were dark complexioned and had dark hair and eyes until 6-8 thousand years ago. This find is just the proof that the earliest Brits were, as well.

As to explaining the Picts, it could, but at this remove it is difficult to say definitively. The Picts started interbreeding with the Anglo-Saxons by the 5th century and were completely absorbed within about 500 years (a thousand years ago). Whatever the case, about 10% of Scots today carry genetic markers of Pictish heritage.
 
2018-02-07 01:36:59 PM  
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2018-02-07 01:53:45 PM  

Entertherat: I'm afraid there's not much call for him 'round these parts.
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Came here to post this.

I'll just get my bazuki
 
2018-02-07 02:04:04 PM  

Stone Meadow: ihateallofyou: Weren't the Picts described as dark skinned? Or am I confused?

Yes, both Tacticus and Pliny (Roman historians who visited the British Isles in the 1st and 2nd Centuries CE, respectively) described the Picts as dark complexioned with curly hair. Pliny specifically described them as looking "Ethiopian".


"In his Natural History (xxii. 2), the Roman author Pliny the Elder wrote the Britons "stain all the body, and at certain religious ceremonies march along naked, with a colour resembling that of Ethiopians."[8]

Pliny however is describing a dye as having stained their body as dark as the Ethiopians, not their natural skin hue; elsewhere in the same work (ii. 80)"
 
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