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2018-02-06 03:23:09 PM  
The spike in PMF diagnoses is also due to layoffs and retirements brought on by the decline in coal mining. Miners who had put off getting checked for black lung earlier began streaming into clinics, especially if they needed the medical and wage replacement benefits provided by black lung compensation programs.

Ah.

Main pushed for the tougher mine dust exposure limits. His successor at MSHA is David Zatezalo, a former mining company executive.
"We are not proposing to weaken this rule," Zatezalo tells NPR in a written statement. "We are planning to collect feedback on the rule from stakeholders, which was both a commitment previously made by MSHA, and a directive from President Trump, who strongly supports America's miner
s [employers]."

Let's be honest. If he is a former executive, he'll somehow find a way to screw over the coal miners and benefit the coal mine owners.

"Each case of advanced black lung disease is an entirely preventable tragedy, and represents mine operators' unwillingness to adequately control mine dust exposures, and safety regulators failure to set, monitor and enforce standards necessary to protect miners," says Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va., the ranking Democrat on the House Committee on Education and the Workforce.
"MSHA should not bend to pressure from well-connected coal mine executives to roll back the regulations," Scott adds.
 
2018-02-06 03:31:21 PM  
Zoolander - I Think I'm Getting the Black Lung, Pop
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2018-02-06 03:31:49 PM  
How a coal miner in this day and age might get black lung:

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2018-02-06 03:42:58 PM  
Bbbbut Trump's beautiful clean coal gives miners beautiful clean black lungs.
 
2018-02-06 04:52:26 PM  
Where's Dr. Trump when you need him?
 
2018-02-06 04:58:30 PM  
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2018-02-06 05:00:15 PM  

Im_Gumby: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/hzh7zvXZ​_VA]


Golly gee whiz durn it so much. I wasn't looking for a vid. I suck.

/shakes tiny penis
//waggle, waggle, waggle
///having an off day
 
2018-02-06 05:04:32 PM  
Why do these people want coal mine mung jobs so badly?
 
2018-02-06 05:04:33 PM  
Our two part plan of opening more mines while relaxing regulations should take care of the problem.
 
2018-02-06 05:11:28 PM  
Bringing back the coal industry one step at a time.

Won't be too surprised if the company stores make a big comeback.
 
2018-02-06 05:18:17 PM  
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"Anyone know a good spin class? I think I overdid it"
 
2018-02-06 05:29:20 PM  

mcreadyblue: Why do these people want coal mine mung jobs so badly?


Because it's the best paycheck they might ever get in their lifetime. Millions of coal miners put food on their table and supported families by working in mines.
 
2018-02-06 05:45:11 PM  
You'll never leave Harlan alive.
 
2018-02-06 05:45:22 PM  
My grandfather was a coal miner and died of black lung disease when my mom was eight. So they won't be putting food on the table for too long in many cases.
 
2018-02-06 05:48:23 PM  
Well, if they'd just do what turnip said and clean it this wouldn't be a problem! Clearly there must be a regulation in the way of the owners being able to do that! Just to be safe, lets remove all the ones to do with ventilation.

/republicans are the absolute worst at doing anything right.
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2018-02-06 05:51:07 PM  

Snapper Carr: [i.imgur.com image 736x652]

"Anyone know a good spin class? I think I overdid it"


Ah, the Norwegian leopard. Beautiful plumage.
 
2018-02-06 05:51:08 PM  
Lets face it.  Any medical diagnosis that includes the word "massive" is not going to end well for you.
/Except for my massive penis of course
//4 inches is fine
 
2018-02-06 05:57:55 PM  
I love how regulators have no sense for history. The question has to be "what changed in the mine?" The guys they were seeing in the 1990s had operated in the 60s and 70s, the cases today started in the 1980s. What you change now affects people in the 2040s.

At some point in the past couple decades they started spraying the newly exposed surfaces with rock dust. Something to do with reducing explosion risks. They also increased the automation and machinery, which might have changed the nature of the particulates.

If you can make a qualified respiratory mask system that could be worn by marathon runners without complaint, you wouldn't see miners ditching them.
 
2018-02-06 05:57:57 PM  
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2018-02-06 06:00:08 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Lets face it.  Any medical diagnosis that includes the word "massive" is not going to end well for you.
/Except for my massive penis of course
//4 inches is fine


The X-files episode with the genie, the previous owner had died after being admitted to the ER with a massive necrotic tumesence. They couldn't fit him through the door.
 
2018-02-06 06:00:59 PM  

wildcardjack: If you can make a qualified respiratory mask system that could be worn by marathon runners without complaint, you wouldn't see miners ditching them.


Nobody's stopping the miners from demanding improved masks.

"But, but that would be giving in to the job-hating environmentalists. I ain't wearing no mask!!"
 
2018-02-06 06:08:33 PM  

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// Hopefully this guy died from eating Tide pods before he cost the rest of us in medical bills.
 
2018-02-06 06:13:04 PM  

jaytkay: wildcardjack: If you can make a qualified respiratory mask system that could be worn by marathon runners without complaint, you wouldn't see miners ditching them.

Nobody's stopping the miners from demanding improved masks.

"But, but that would be giving in to the job-hating environmentalists. I ain't wearing no mask!!"


I have seen disdain for protective equipment of all kinds from blue collar workers. Somehow wearing hearing protecting when working next to a diesel engine at 105 decibels makes you a sissy. Wearing gloves while handling frozen goods means you're a wuss. Not wanting to breath in dust and filth from a warehouse means you think you're better than everyone else... It is a weird mentality.
 
2018-02-06 06:13:54 PM  

mrmopar5287: mcreadyblue: Why do these people want coal mine mung jobs so badly?

Because it's the best paycheck they might ever get in their lifetime. Millions of coal miners put food on their table and supported families by working in mines.


I doubt there were ever millions of coal miners.
 
2018-02-06 06:19:00 PM  
All lungs matter, subby
 
2018-02-06 06:22:26 PM  

mcreadyblue: mrmopar5287: mcreadyblue: Why do these people want coal mine mung jobs so badly?

Because it's the best paycheck they might ever get in their lifetime. Millions of coal miners put food on their table and supported families by working in mines.

I doubt there were ever millions of coal miners.


Almost! There's probably been over a million total, if this graph is correct:

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For comparison:

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2018-02-06 06:27:13 PM  

mcreadyblue: I doubt there were ever millions of coal miners.


Given that lots of people moved in and out of coal mining as a profession, there are undoubtably millions of people who have done the job. I'm not saying there were millions (plural, as in 2,000,000 or more) who were mining coal all at the same time. I'm saying since the beginning of coal mining in the USA to the end were at at with about 50,000 people currently mining, it's been millions total who have passed through the occupation.
 
2018-02-06 06:34:02 PM  

Jormungandr: I have seen disdain for protective equipment of all kinds from blue collar workers. Somehow wearing hearing protecting when working next to a diesel engine at 105 decibels makes you a sissy. Wearing gloves while handling frozen goods means you're a wuss. Not wanting to breath in dust and filth from a warehouse means you think you're better than everyone else... It is a weird mentality.


My grandfather worked the railroad for 38 years. Coal smoke, diesel exhaust, and everything else you can think of (certainly a good exposure to creosote used as railroad tie preservative). When I was a kid he took me to the Illinois Railroad Museum in Union, IL. The have an operative steam locomotive and when a huge cloud of coal smoke came wafting by us he was chuckling as I held my breath. He said "It's just coal smoke, you'll cough it right out. It won't hurt you." He eventually died of lung cancer, so no one was surprised at that. Though his 3-pack-a-day habit for 50 years might have something to do with the cancer.
 
2018-02-06 06:41:24 PM  

Jormungandr: Wearing gloves while handling frozen goods means you're a wuss.


I know a guy who works summers as a ranch hand.

He also plays guitar, well enough to get gigs at little bars. He won't wear work gloves, it's against the cowboy ethic or something. It makes me wince every time I see it.
 
2018-02-06 06:47:31 PM  
I get it, clean coal comes from these people filtering it with their lungs. Well good on them.
 
2018-02-06 07:17:28 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Our two part plan of opening more mines while relaxing regulations should take care of the problem.


I don't know man - I'm pretty sure this is going to require more tax cuts.
 
2018-02-06 07:18:54 PM  

jaytkay: Jormungandr: Wearing gloves while handling frozen goods means you're a wuss.

I know a guy who works summers as a ranch hand.

He also plays guitar, well enough to get gigs at little bars. He won't wear work gloves, it's against the cowboy ethic or something. It makes me wince every time I see it.


I wear gloves to mow the lawn. My hands are soft like a princess'.

Mowing my own lawn is obviously not a sign of independence and masculinity in my case, just cheapness.
 
2018-02-06 07:24:12 PM  

mcreadyblue: mrmopar5287: mcreadyblue: Why do these people want coal mine mung jobs so badly?

Because it's the best paycheck they might ever get in their lifetime. Millions of coal miners put food on their table and supported families by working in mines.

I doubt there were ever millions of coal miners.


Not at one time, but cumulatively speaking there have definitely been millions of coal miners.
 
2018-02-06 07:27:20 PM  
CLEAN. COAL.
 
2018-02-06 08:04:08 PM  

Billy Liar: Won't be too surprised if the company stores make a big comeback.


...and script.
 
2018-02-06 08:13:53 PM  

mcreadyblue: I doubt there were ever millions of coal miners.


Certainly not in NYC.
 
2018-02-06 10:03:46 PM  
Trump bright back coal! Promises kept.
 
2018-02-06 10:20:08 PM  
This is a literal line from a pro-coal radio ad I heard for the first time today.

"Do you want your mother's respirator powered by a solar panel?"

They are so desperate.
 
2018-02-06 10:21:24 PM  

mrmopar5287: Millions of coal miners put food on their table and supported families by working in mines.


Millions?
Gosh, if only they had paid attention in school.
If only they moved someplace that had better employment.
If only they had parents that cared about them enough to say "Get a f**king education, because I'm dying of black lung and I don't want you to die of that as well."
 
2018-02-06 10:59:34 PM  

Im_Gumby: [YouTube video: Zoolander - I Think I'm Getting the Black Lung, Pop]


Came for this
 
2018-02-06 11:21:20 PM  

jaytkay: wildcardjack: If you can make a qualified respiratory mask system that could be worn by marathon runners without complaint, you wouldn't see miners ditching them.

Nobody's stopping the miners from demanding improved masks.

"But, but that would be giving in to the job-hating environmentalists. I ain't wearing no mask!!"


We do a rubber cup mask with a reed exhaust, apply a little bit of electronics and you only get paid for mine time registered by the mask. Instant adherence to policy.
 
2018-02-06 11:33:20 PM  

jerryskid: mrmopar5287: Millions of coal miners put food on their table and supported families by working in mines.

Millions?
Gosh, if only they had paid attention in school.
If only they moved someplace that had better employment.
If only they had parents that cared about them enough to say "Get a f**king education, because I'm dying of black lung and I don't want you to die of that as well."


Platitudes don't help.

Assuredly many of them did pay attention in what limited school they might have attended, and all the attention in the world wouldn't help them.

Yes, moving is possible, but not an option for some or most.

And many did have parents who worked jobs they didn't want their kids to work. My father worked as a tire builder in a factory to send me to college so I wouldn't have to do what he did. It really didn't help as I'm stuck in a job that someone with an 8th grade education can do, so education isn't a solution to all problems. That, and many people don't have a choice in education as they are simply not smart enough to excel in higher educations. 100 is an average IQ, with many below that. Those people need jobs just as much as higher educated folks.
 
2018-02-07 12:13:01 AM  

Jormungandr: jaytkay: wildcardjack: If you can make a qualified respiratory mask system that could be worn by marathon runners without complaint, you wouldn't see miners ditching them.

Nobody's stopping the miners from demanding improved masks.

"But, but that would be giving in to the job-hating environmentalists. I ain't wearing no mask!!"

I have seen disdain for protective equipment of all kinds from blue collar workers. Somehow wearing hearing protecting when working next to a diesel engine at 105 decibels makes you a sissy. Wearing gloves while handling frozen goods means you're a wuss. Not wanting to breath in dust and filth from a warehouse means you think you're better than everyone else... It is a weird mentality.


If they don't want safety equipment, I say let them sign a form and get on with it.  Just as long as we don't pay for their health care.  If they want health care, they wear the equipment.  This solution allows people freedom, and health.  Also, the survivors don't get to sue just because pappy was stupid.
 
2018-02-07 01:50:49 AM  
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2018-02-07 09:14:25 AM  

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It's a small thing, but at least that dipshiat has his stacks pointed up.  Last year, I had one of those fine examples of humanity decide that the most important thing to do on his morning commute was slow down  and match pace with me on my bicycle so he could dump that crap out of his exhaust pipe all over me.  Vertical stacks at least remove that option.
 
2018-02-07 01:51:35 PM  

jerryskid: mrmopar5287: Millions of coal miners put food on their table and supported families by working in mines.

Millions?
Gosh, if only they had paid attention in school.
If only they moved someplace that had better employment.
If only they had parents that cared about them enough to say "Get a f**king education, because I'm dying of black lung and I don't want you to die of that as well."


The traditional miners were never paid their worth.
Just googling "pinkerton security kill coal mine union"  pulls up the Ludlow massacre, the battle of Blair mountain, the homestead strike, and others. My goodness that's a proud tradition right there.

/got family in wv
//fark the coal mines
/// people move away from wv because of the legacy of coal.
 
2018-02-07 04:52:40 PM  

twistedsteel5252: jerryskid: mrmopar5287: Millions of coal miners put food on their table and supported families by working in mines.

Millions?
Gosh, if only they had paid attention in school.
If only they moved someplace that had better employment.
If only they had parents that cared about them enough to say "Get a f**king education, because I'm dying of black lung and I don't want you to die of that as well."

The traditional miners were never paid their worth.
Just googling "pinkerton security kill coal mine union"  pulls up the Ludlow massacre, the battle of Blair mountain, the homestead strike, and others. My goodness that's a proud tradition right there.

/got family in wv
//fark the coal mines
/// people move away from wv because of the legacy of coal.


The whole Ohio River Valley there is full of pollution. My aunt had emphysema & eventually died of lung cancer, even though she never smoked.
 
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