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2018-02-06 01:13:50 PM  
I would believe the absolute worst of Tarantino.  He's used the N-word any number of times in his movies.
 
2018-02-06 01:22:27 PM  
I'll take "Things Quentin Tarantino and Whoopi Goldberg have in common" for $200 Alex.
 
2018-02-06 01:23:44 PM  
Geez...if you can say something that leaves Howard freakin' Stern aghast, you've really done something.
 
2018-02-06 04:23:17 PM  
I love Tarantino as a director, but the dude is a creepy weirdo. He says she wanted it, but if I remember correctly Polanski drugged her while they were at Jack Nicholson's house and then anally raped her while she was passed out on ludes or something. fark Polanski.
 
2018-02-06 04:23:38 PM  
I find it interesting how the recent sex offenders in Hollywood have been thrown under the bus but Polanski still gets a pass.
 
2018-02-06 04:27:42 PM  

farkingismybusiness: I love Tarantino as a director


It's not the 90s anymore.

Weren't drugs involved in the Polanski case? That would make it rape rape, not just statutory rape.
 
2018-02-06 04:37:38 PM  

Mugato: farkingismybusiness: I love Tarantino as a director

It's not the 90s anymore.

Weren't drugs involved in the Polanski case? That would make it rape rape, not just statutory rape.


Kill Bill 1 and 2, Inglorious Basterds, and Django Unchained were all post 90's and pretty great.

/I haven't seen Hateful Eight yet, but by sheer coincidence I was planning on watching it tonight.
 
2018-02-06 04:50:38 PM  

Prey4reign: He's used the N-word any number of times in his movies.


So what? His movies aren't about nice people.
 
2018-02-06 04:52:44 PM  

Prey4reign: I would believe the absolute worst of Tarantino.  He's used the N-word any number of times in his movies.


You must really hate Samuel L Jackson, then.
 
2018-02-06 05:00:02 PM  
Tarantino is trying to differentiate statutory rape from violent rape. But I can't believe anyone would defend Polanski -- especially after Tarantino admits he'd kick the guy's ass if it were his daughter. Cognitive dissonance much?
 
2018-02-06 05:00:34 PM  
Citing anything anyone said or did on Howard Stern at any point is a dangerous proposition.  Half the time the guests were just trying be more outrageous than Howard for comedic effect ... and this was back in the 1990s when people still had a sense of humor and didn't run screaming every time someone said something that was even the slightest bit shocking.  The trend of viewing any moment from a person's life and judging it through the lens of the current ridiculous moment in human history is draining.

/ Hard to believe the movie PCU turned out to be the most accurate prediction of the future.
 
2018-02-06 05:02:55 PM  
it's funny how a 2003 interview that was broadcasted live on the most popular radio show in the country is now becoming news. It's not like no one heard this when he said it.
 
2018-02-06 05:05:11 PM  
Not only was she 12 (I think her birthday was the next month), she had been fed Quaaludes before going into the pool. Even Cosby rarely hit minors.
 
2018-02-06 05:05:24 PM  

BizarreMan: /I haven't seen Hateful Eight yet, but by sheer coincidence I was planning on watching it tonight.


Good luck.
 
2018-02-06 05:06:42 PM  

farkingismybusiness: I love Tarantino as a director, but the dude is a creepy weirdo. He says she wanted it,


....but she was 13 so it's completely irrelevant.  There's literally nothing that can mitigate that.
 
2018-02-06 05:08:33 PM  

Fonaibung: Tarantino is trying to differentiate statutory rape from violent rape. But I can't believe anyone would defend Polanski -- especially after Tarantino admits he'd kick the guy's ass if it were his daughter. Cognitive dissonance much?


Talk about cognitive dissonance, several big Hollywood actors continued to work with Polanski and he won at least one Oscar that I know of after his little faux pas with the child but now someone drops a dime on someone in Tinsel Town, with or without evidence and they're worse than Hitler.

/not saying who is or isn't guilty in the current "me too" movement
//Weinstein's definitely guilty
 
2018-02-06 05:09:12 PM  
I am a supporter of feminist ideals and I'd like to say this one has been beaten to death for decades. The woman is in her fifties and by all accounts what she wants more than anything else is for everyone to shut the fark up about it. Oddly enough she would also like everyone else to lay off Mr Polanski. I don't have a horse in this race but I'm going to take her word for it.

"Now he endures it. Now everyone calls him a pedophile and says terrible things about him, which aren't true. The insults have switched, but I have empathy for the way he's treated because I was treated the same way when this first happened."
Asked why she didn't consider Polanski a pedophile for the crime, Geimer said, "I was almost 14, I wasn't 10. . . . I was a teenager."
She said she has felt that the media have wanted her to play the role of victim for the last 40 years, even though she had long ago gotten over it.
"I just wasn't as traumatized as everybody thinks I should have been." To other sex crime victims, she said: "Do your best to recover. Don't let people tell you can't recover."
 
2018-02-06 05:12:01 PM  
Hey Douchebag Director- statutory rape is still rape because minors lack the maturity to make adult decisions.
 
2018-02-06 05:12:04 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: farkingismybusiness: I love Tarantino as a director, but the dude is a creepy weirdo. He says she wanted it,

....but she was 13 so it's completely irrelevant.  There's literally nothing that can mitigate that.


I agree. She's 13. So that's rape right there, but it doesn't sound like she "wanted it" if he had to drug her unconscious. That's a crazy farking argument.
 
2018-02-06 05:12:37 PM  

Mugato: Fonaibung: Tarantino is trying to differentiate statutory rape from violent rape. But I can't believe anyone would defend Polanski -- especially after Tarantino admits he'd kick the guy's ass if it were his daughter. Cognitive dissonance much?

Talk about cognitive dissonance, several big Hollywood actors continued to work with Polanski and he won at least one Oscar that I know of after his little faux pas with the child but now someone drops a dime on someone in Tinsel Town, with or without evidence and they're worse than Hitler.

/not saying who is or isn't guilty in the current "me too" movement
//Weinstein's definitely guilty


Its every man for himself as the SS Cornhole goes down
 
2018-02-06 05:15:06 PM  

JohnBigBootay: The woman is in her fifties and by all accounts what she wants more than anything else is for everyone to shut the fark up about it. Oddly enough she would also like everyone else to lay off Mr Polanski. I don't have a horse in this race but I'm going to take her word for it.


I'm pretty certain most of us aren't looking to seriously relitigate the Polanski matter, as sickening as it was.

This thread is more about the mounting evidence that Tarantino is seriously farked in the head.
 
2018-02-06 05:17:30 PM  
Polanski really ruined Rush Hour 3 for me.
 
2018-02-06 05:18:00 PM  

Mugato: little faux pas with the child


Drugged rape is a faux pas? Jesus, you're a scumbag.
 
2018-02-06 05:19:30 PM  
We had this argument last November or so about 13-something girls having consensually questionable relationships with men. Aww Hells No won by 2 points.
 
2018-02-06 05:21:36 PM  

farkingismybusiness: HMS_Blinkin: farkingismybusiness: I love Tarantino as a director, but the dude is a creepy weirdo. He says she wanted it,

....but she was 13 so it's completely irrelevant.  There's literally nothing that can mitigate that.

I agree. She's 13. So that's rape right there, but it doesn't sound like she "wanted it" if he had to drug her unconscious. That's a crazy farking argument.


I don't even know why these guys talk about it at all.  Even if you're loony enough to somehow support Polanski, shouldn't people realize that NOTHING they can say is going to sound good?  It's like being a 9/11 truther---just shut up.  Nothing they say is going to sound even remotely normal.
 
2018-02-06 05:25:34 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Mugato: little faux pas with the child

Drugged rape is a faux pas? Jesus, you're a scumbag.


 I was being sarcastic, dipshiat.
 
2018-02-06 05:35:24 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I am a supporter of feminist ideals and I'd like to say this one has been beaten to death for decades. The woman is in her fifties and by all accounts what she wants more than anything else is for everyone to shut the fark up about it. Oddly enough she would also like everyone else to lay off Mr Polanski. I don't have a horse in this race but I'm going to take her word for it.

"Now he endures it. Now everyone calls him a pedophile and says terrible things about him, which aren't true. The insults have switched, but I have empathy for the way he's treated because I was treated the same way when this first happened."
Asked why she didn't consider Polanski a pedophile for the crime, Geimer said, "I was almost 14, I wasn't 10. . . . I was a teenager."
She said she has felt that the media have wanted her to play the role of victim for the last 40 years, even though she had long ago gotten over it.
"I just wasn't as traumatized as everybody thinks I should have been." To other sex crime victims, she said: "Do your best to recover. Don't let people tell you can't recover."


agreed, if she no longer wants to hear about it and is at this point pretty settled in her life . we should grant her wish and leave this whole thing alone
 
2018-02-06 05:36:40 PM  

Mugato: Ed Grubermann: Mugato: little faux pas with the child

Drugged rape is a faux pas? Jesus, you're a scumbag.

 I was being sarcastic, dipshiat.


Your history of sucking up to Hollywood types makes things a bit murky in that regard.
 
2018-02-06 05:50:02 PM  

farkingismybusiness: /I haven't seen Hateful Eight yet, but by sheer coincidence I was planning on watching it tonight.


By an even weirder coincidence, I watched it last night for the first time. And only time. Because it's farking terrible, compared to his other films.

Go ahead and watch it, it's a Tarantino film. And it has its moments. But overall... yeah, it's a swing and a miss.
 
2018-02-06 05:55:30 PM  

Mugato: Prey4reign: He's used the N-word any number of times in his movies.

So what? His movies aren't about nice people.


If a couple characters use the N-word, that tells the audience about those characters.  If all of the characters use the N-word, that tells the audience about the filmmaker.
 
2018-02-06 05:56:11 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: farkingismybusiness: /I haven't seen Hateful Eight yet, but by sheer coincidence I was planning on watching it tonight.

By an even weirder coincidence, I watched it last night for the first time. And only time. Because it's farking terrible, compared to his other films.

Go ahead and watch it, it's a Tarantino film. And it has its moments. But overall... yeah, it's a swing and a miss.


and yet again instead of ignoring his movies we fall back to discussing his movies instead of his evil attitude
 
2018-02-06 05:56:36 PM  
The article isn't loading for me, but i assume it was a stupid attempt at shock humor.

If he made these comments 20 years ago, and no one batted an eye until now, someone having re-dug up the article because of the witch-hunt climate we now live in and the recent Uma Thurman story being in the news, i'm not about to get outraged over it.
 
2018-02-06 06:00:50 PM  
Never liked Tarantino. He has a punchable face.
 
2018-02-06 06:01:13 PM  

T.rex: If he made these comments 20 years ago, and no one batted an eye until now, someone having re-dug up the article because of the witch-hunt climate we now live in and the recent Uma Thurman story being in the news, i'm not about to get outraged over it.


As to that Uma thing, damn they were gunning for him. Uma had to speak up twice and say like "Hey guys, it's not Tarantino that assaulted me. He did sort of get me into a car crash but he owned up to it and it's a completely different thing to the Weinstein"
 
2018-02-06 06:06:56 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: farkingismybusiness: I love Tarantino as a director, but the dude is a creepy weirdo. He says she wanted it,

....but she was 13 so it's completely irrelevant.  There's literally nothing that can mitigate that.


Children can't give consent. There's a line for that, and they are, by definition, below that line.
 
2018-02-06 06:08:41 PM  

farkingismybusiness: I love Tarantino as a director, but the dude is a creepy weirdo. He says she wanted it, but if I remember correctly Polanski drugged her while they were at Jack Nicholson's house and then anally raped her while she was passed out on ludes or something. fark Polanski.


I heard they were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.
 
2018-02-06 06:11:00 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: farkingismybusiness: I love Tarantino as a director, but the dude is a creepy weirdo. He says she wanted it, but if I remember correctly Polanski drugged her while they were at Jack Nicholson's house and then anally raped her while she was passed out on ludes or something. fark Polanski.

I heard they were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.


The baby looked at you?
 
2018-02-06 06:16:23 PM  
Jack Nicholson watched the whole thing. He still gets to have a career for some reason.
 
2018-02-06 06:17:20 PM  

wet drum sandwich: Geez...if you can say something that leaves Howard freakin' Stern aghast, you've really done something.


So what's the name of his new movie?
 
2018-02-06 06:19:08 PM  
I was too young to remember the Polanski case when it happened in the 70s.

I seem to recall around the time The Pianist was released that there had been something of a misinformation campaign with regards to what happened: that the girl was 15 (not 13), that it was consensual (it wasn't), that Polanski had her mother's blessing (he didn't)...

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people were lulled into believing that a) enough time had passed and b) there seemed to be enough plausible deniability and murky morality (he's European, it's normal!) in what people assumed were the actual allegations that people were willing to forgive him.
 
2018-02-06 06:19:11 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: farkingismybusiness: /I haven't seen Hateful Eight yet, but by sheer coincidence I was planning on watching it tonight.

By an even weirder coincidence, I watched it last night for the first time. And only time. Because it's farking terrible, compared to his other films.

Go ahead and watch it, it's a Tarantino film. And it has its moments. But overall... yeah, it's a swing and a miss.


I loved that movie. Reminded me of a Hitchcock movie in the way that the suspense ( and dread) grows slowly with each scene, and Samuel Jackson and Jennifer Jason Leigh were fantastic. It's worth noting that Tarantino based the story on The Thing (1982), and that film was shown to the cast before filming began. It even incorporates some of Morricone's original but unused compositions for The Thing's soundtrack.
 
2018-02-06 06:21:25 PM  

farkingismybusiness: HMS_Blinkin: farkingismybusiness: I love Tarantino as a director, but the dude is a creepy weirdo. He says she wanted it,

....but she was 13 so it's completely irrelevant.  There's literally nothing that can mitigate that.

I agree. She's 13. So that's rape right there, but it doesn't sound like she "wanted it" if he had to drug her unconscious. That's a crazy farking argument.



The excerpt I read sounded like he was saying she wanted all of it, the drugs too.
 
2018-02-06 06:21:29 PM  
Why does God develop a girls body sexually before she possesses the maturity to give consent? Seems like poor planning on his part.
 
2018-02-06 06:22:14 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Jack Nicholson watched the whole thing. He still gets to have a career for some reason.


I'm pretty sure he wasn't there. Just gave Roman the keys.
 
2018-02-06 06:36:09 PM  
Unh-uh. Hold on. Nope. Wait.

You don't get to pile on Tarantino and attempt to ruin his career for having a misinformed, bad opinion regarding statutory rape (in a case in which the victim has begged repeatedly to drop it because she has forgiven Polanski and considers him punished for what he did) when we have a President of the United States who has been accused of violently raping a 13-year-old, with credible witnesses, then having her and her family threatened numerous times to avoid going to court over it.

No way. If Tarantino goes down over a lousy opinion, it should be AFTER-- LOOOONG after-- Trump goes down for being an actual, honest-to-goodness, (alleged) serial rapist.

I'm just getting sick of this court of public opinion going after guys whose only crime seems to be being mildly unattractive and having creepy opinions, while allowing actual farking rapists to go unpunished.

Yes, Tarantino is a schmuck whose opinion on that subject was just better left unspoken, but the fact is that-- to the best of our knowledge-- Quentin Tarantino didn't rape anyone, didn't assault anyone who wasn't a willing participant, and didn't have sex with anyone who was underage.

Now, him kowtowing to Weinstein and not allowing Uma to have that crash footage? That was bad, but you can almost understand why it happened that way. He was just as much under Weinstein and the studio's thumb in that situation as Uma was. He probably had a fleet of lawyers telling him that if he released that footage, he'd be in court for the rest of his days. So he had to damage a friendship and break someone's trust to save his own neck, until he finally saw that the people making those demands of him were themselves being brought down.

His foot fetish kinda creeps me out. His obsessiveness as a director is what makes him both terrible and wonderful as an artist. He shouldn't have pushed Uma to do the driving scene. He should really think twice about the spitting/choking scenes, but if he weren't doing it another actor would be, so it's not as if it was unfounded violence (or even real). The actresses agreed to the scenes, and with the exception of Uma, nobody has been permanently harmed by it. Male actors on QT sets take their share of knocks, too, with the amount of action and violence in his movies, people are bound to get a sock in the jaw or bust an ankle from time to time. If anything, QT did what he could to minimize that possibility with those choking scenes, and totally dropped the ball in the driving scene.

Either way, he's being attacked here and it sounds to me like through most of this he has been on the side of the actresses he worked with. He went to bat for Uma against Weinstein, though he couldn't imagine how bad things really were and he was as much Weinstein's underling as Uma. He empowered Uma and created a powerful female action hero with Kill Bill (and Uma seems to stand by this, despite the producer being a piece of shiat). I'm not saying we should be celebrating QT, but we should maybe step back and start aiming our cannons at the real bad guys.

All that being said, QT might consider coming out and saying he was wrong in that interview, he didn't have all the facts, and his opinion is different now that he knows more about the case. Then he should shut up and stop doing interviews.
 
2018-02-06 06:36:28 PM  

elvindeath: Citing anything anyone said or did on Howard Stern at any point is a dangerous proposition. Half the time the guests were just trying be more outrageous than Howard for comedic effect ...


That's not our problem. It's theirs. We don't own responsibility for their words, they do.
 
2018-02-06 06:39:48 PM  

elvindeath: Citing anything anyone said or did on Howard Stern at any point is a dangerous proposition.  Half the time the guests were just trying be more outrageous than Howard for comedic effect ... and this was back in the 1990s when people still had a sense of humor and didn't run screaming every time someone said something that was even the slightest bit shocking.  The trend of viewing any moment from a person's life and judging it through the lens of the current ridiculous moment in human history is draining.

/ Hard to believe the movie PCU turned out to be the most accurate prediction of the future.


This is what happened to Billy Bush and Trump.
 
2018-02-06 06:52:03 PM  

Arab Lover: Why does God develop a girls body sexually before she possesses the maturity to give consent? Seems like poor planning on his part.


Societal change & better scientific understanding of the brain, development, and maturity.  In Medieval times, marriage was the only acceptable place for sex and as a result Christians were allowed to marry from puberty onwards, generally seen at the time as age 12 for women and 14 for men. Parental consent was not required. When this law finally changed in England in the 18th century, the old rules still applied in Scotland, making towns just over the border, such as Gretna Green, a destination for English couples defying their families.  You were an "Old Maid" if you were still unmarried at 25 back then, and "till death till you part" usually meant no more than about 30 years (the mean life expectancy for women was 43.6 years, men usually around age 49).

It wasn't that long ago that the age of consent in the U.S. changed from 12-15 to 16-18 in most states. Hawaii was the last, I believe, in 2001. Given several stories in the news lately, and further neuroscience advancements that tells us that young people don't reach maturity until age 25, it wouldn't surprise me to see a push in the next 50+ years to raise the age of maturity to 24-25, including the ability to get married, drink alcohol, sign contracts, etc.
 
2018-02-06 06:56:03 PM  

Courtney Cox-Zucker: I was too young to remember the Polanski case when it happened in the 70s.

I seem to recall around the time The Pianist was released that there had been something of a misinformation campaign with regards to what happened: that the girl was 15 (not 13), that it was consensual (it wasn't), that Polanski had her mother's blessing (he didn't)...

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people were lulled into believing that a) enough time had passed and b) there seemed to be enough plausible deniability and murky morality (he's European, it's normal!) in what people assumed were the actual allegations that people were willing to forgive him.


Murky indeed. Apparently, some Americans are flexible in their opinions on sex with minors depending on location and context. European? We're prudish and they're free-thinking. Middle Eastern? They're monstrous and primitive. Alabama? He's not a democrat.
 
2018-02-06 06:59:19 PM  
WilderKWight:
Now, him kowtowing to Weinstein and not allowing Uma to have that crash footage? That was bad, but you can almost understand why it happened that way. He was just as much under Weinstein and the studio's thumb in that situation as Uma was. He probably had a fleet of lawyers telling him that if he released that footage, he'd be in court for the rest of his days.

I don't understand how the director got to keep the footage anyway.  I suppose it has to lie in someone's possession, and who better than the auteur director, but still..... What was it... sitting in a shoebox under the matress?       Plus, i don't understand how Uma's lawyers couldn't subpeana it.    I realize, lawyers ask for evidence, and don't always get it, but this footage was later proven to actually exist, so it seems QT should be in trouble for withholding it, (if it had been subpeana'd and he withheld it).
 
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