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(Entertainment Weekly)   'Altered Carbon' star candidly discusses her epic naked clone sword fight and how her merkin initially "looked like a small animal" until she gave it a haircut   ( ew.com) divider line
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2018-02-06 10:47:35 AM  
"Yeah, this show is set 300 years in the future, you wouldn't think that would be a popular look."

More than a few assumptions in play there. LOL.
 
2018-02-06 10:52:46 AM  
Better than it looking like a big animal...
 
2018-02-06 10:55:35 AM  
Viggo did it better.
 
2018-02-06 11:08:19 AM  
Ok, Altered Carbon, you had my interest but now you have my attention!
 
2018-02-06 11:16:11 AM  
Gentlemen, we have bush.
 
2018-02-06 11:19:41 AM  
I often wonder how "okay so I'm going to need you to be in perfect physical shape, so I can film you completely naked with a sword" would be received.
 
2018-02-06 11:21:47 AM  
Back in the 80s we had a small email list at work we called Word of the Day, affectionately WoD.  When one of us came up with an interesting word we would send a message with the word, it's definition, and a sentance using that word.  The ones I remember are merkin, fard, and finial.

/ Everyone complained that Joe spent too much time farding in the dressing room
// The waitresses fawned over Fred's finial
/// don't remember the one for merkin
 
2018-02-06 11:23:20 AM  
Finally! Top quality journalism.
 
2018-02-06 11:23:33 AM  
Consensus on the show? Is it worth watching a few episodes?
 
2018-02-06 11:27:06 AM  

Mr.Poops: Consensus on the show? Is it worth watching a few episodes?


I like it and it really get's moving around episode 3, I'm at 5 right now.  Plus there are lots and lots of boobs, and one wang so far if you are into that.  It's almost like if the writers ever got confused they just wrote down, "show boobs".
 
2018-02-06 11:27:35 AM  

Mr.Poops: Consensus on the show? Is it worth watching a few episodes?


Only watched the pilot ep so far. The scifi isn't shallow so you need to pay attention to the concepts and exposition. Otherwise it is hard R rated future detective nior.
 
2018-02-06 11:28:55 AM  

Mr.Poops: Consensus on the show? Is it worth watching a few episodes?


I enjoyed it. I don't know the source material, but I've heard it stays true to its spirit if not to all the technical details. I don't buy into the Bladerunner comparisons, as they're mostly cosmetic.
 
2018-02-06 11:30:57 AM  

Mr.Poops: Consensus on the show? Is it worth watching a few episodes?


I watched the whole thing and loved the hell out of it. It's a bit muddy and convoluted, and there's an episode or two in the latter half where you get the impression they're killing time, but it's fun for the most part. As with any show, it's as much about the what the supporting cast brings to it, and that element is strong as hell here. It's also a pretty solid visualization of full-on William Gibson cyberpunk - as good or better than any other attempts at it, with overt homage to Gibson, the Matrix, Blade Runner and others.
 
2018-02-06 11:33:41 AM  
My take is that they owe serious royalties to Ridley Scott and William Gibson, but should also cut some chèques to John Scalzi for cribbing fromhis "Old Man's War" series.
 
2018-02-06 11:33:41 AM  
Ummm...

What episode are we talking about? And it is actual nude or "nude"?

//asking for a friend
/he's on episode 5
 
2018-02-06 11:33:48 AM  
 
2018-02-06 11:34:16 AM  

One Bad Apple: Mr.Poops: Consensus on the show? Is it worth watching a few episodes?

Only watched the pilot ep so far. The scifi isn't shallow so you need to pay attention to the concepts and exposition. Otherwise it is hard R rated future detective nior.


Yeah, if you don't pay attention early on some of the lingo will go over your head. I liked the show, and holy shiat did it get insane at times! I've seen people do comparisons to Blade Runner, but really, the only similarities to Blade Runner are the aesthetics and visual styles.
 
2018-02-06 11:34:32 AM  
*adds to watchlist*
 
2018-02-06 11:35:33 AM  
Dichen Lachman...

Oh yeah, that woman has the most intriguing look I have ever seen... First started watching her on Dollhouse, and love it whenever she pops up in whatever I'm watching. Now, I'm just going to have to check out Altered Carbon.
 
2018-02-06 11:37:28 AM  

Snapper Carr: Ummm...

What episode are we talking about? And it is actual nude or "nude"?

//asking for a friend
/he's on episode 5


I want to say it was episode 8 or 9, and it was full on nude, you aren't likely to guess the character though and TFA is a bit of a spoiler for one of the plot twists in the show.
 
2018-02-06 11:39:51 AM  

Mr.Poops: Consensus on the show? Is it worth watching a few episodes?


Decent noirish cyberpunk sci-fi. VNot for the squeamish or prudish.

Dialog can be overexpository at times and just plain florid at others. Some stock characters and wooden acting don't really help but if you can look past that it's a pretty fun ride.
 
2018-02-06 11:44:25 AM  
How many blades?

Alia´s BladeDance
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2018-02-06 11:45:08 AM  

Torgo_of_Manos: Ok, Altered Carbon, you had my interest but now you have my attention!


This.jpg
 
2018-02-06 11:45:21 AM  
Mosquitos leave bigger bumps.
 
2018-02-06 11:48:05 AM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Snapper Carr: Ummm...

What episode are we talking about? And it is actual nude or "nude"?

//asking for a friend
/he's on episode 5

I want to say it was episode 8 or 9, and it was full on nude, you aren't likely to guess the character though and TFA is a bit of a spoiler for one of the plot twists in the show.



Well since the article said Dichen Lachmann I assumed it would be his sister but now I'm going to be looking for her to be someone's sleeve

/not mad at ya, I blame myself for poking my nose into a thread about a show I haven't finished.
 
2018-02-06 11:50:46 AM  

Mr.Poops: Consensus on the show? Is it worth watching a few episodes?


The acting and writing are among the worst I've ever seen, but it is beautifully shot and art-directed.
 
2018-02-06 11:52:02 AM  
Someone may want to throw a NSFW tag on this. Article has nudity in it.
 
2018-02-06 11:52:58 AM  

Snapper Carr: Ummm...

What episode are we talking about? And it is actual nude or "nude"?

//asking for a friend
/he's on episode 5


Naked as a jay bird with alopecia.
 
2018-02-06 11:54:43 AM  

Mr.Poops: Consensus on the show? Is it worth watching a few episodes?


I really enjoyed it, and I am a big fan of Richard K. Morgan, and while the show takes some loose liberties with a few of the characters--merging a few, and cutting up bits and farming them off to others--it's a got a good part of the vibe of the books, which is hard boiled science fiction. It's seamy, it's corrupt, and the nudity is all over the place, but then again, it's focused on a story about a guy who hires high and low end prostitutes, and his wife getting her revenge on him by f*cking the help, so it's thematically kind of there. It would be weird to be kind of Puritan about it, especially since the source material doesn't flinch away from the subjects. And it's multi-layered, because bodies are commodities, traded back and forth.

To quote the source material:

"You are still young and stupid. Human life has no value. Haven't you learned that yet, Takeshi, with all you've seen? It has no value, intrinsic to itself. Machines cost money to build. Raw materials cost money to extract. But people?" She made a tiny spitting sound. "You can always get some more people. they reproduce like cancer cells, whether you want them or not. They are abundant, Takeshi. Why should they be valuable? Do you know that it costs us less to recruit and use up a real snuff whore than it does to set up and run the virtual equivalent format. Real human flesh is cheaper than a machine. It's the axiomatic truth of our times."

While they take some liberties, and if anything, the TV version of Kovacs is actually a lot more warm and cuddly than the books' version, they didn't f*ck it up too badly. They got the tone right, even if they turned the Envoys into terrorist super-soldiers, instead of the world ending Protectorate elite. Which is, for some folks I think, a sticking point. The books' Envoys are guys so lethal in not just hand to hand and with weapons that they will send one guy to take down an entire government, but rather, guys and gals so lethal in espionage, spycraft, and pure manipulation that just one Envoy dropped in can start a revolution, take down its inevitable bad replacement, and have a third or fourth iteration on their feet to check it until things stabilize back, and if it costs a few hundred thousand lives, then that's the cost, and maybe folks should have thought about that before backing a revolution or disrupting trade. Rather than being rebels, the Envoys are the ultimate in keeping the status quo, and that change, I can understand a bit, because Takeshi Kovacs is barely human, which is part of the problem in the books, is that he wants to find shreds of his humanity after everything, but it's damn hard when you've been trained to see and hear everything, and that Envoy intuition makes him far too aware of how badly humans f*ck each other over, for scraps, let alone what they'll do for whole worlds...

I am a fan of the books, and I've watched it twice since it dropped on the 2nd. And while I mourn the Hendrix, I can understand why they didn't go that route with the AI hotel, I can also see trying to make Kovacs more human. Like I said, they merged some characters. Quell doesn't show up until the third book, in an actual sleeve that is, but I can see why they went that route. It changes the focus a bit, but it made for AC to be its own thing on screen. It irks me a bit, but I can live with it.
 
2018-02-06 11:56:13 AM  

Mr.Poops: Consensus on the show? Is it worth watching a few episodes?


The book is a favorite of mine so I binged the episodes over the weekend.  TLDR version- I enjoyed it quite a bit, but it's not going to be for everyone

0) Netflix put a ton of time, money and attention into this series.  It shows- this is epic in a lot of ways.
1) Yes, it looks like Blade Runner.  But most cyberpunk does.  Past the first episode you won't care since it's a different world
2) There are some very significant differences from the book- some new characters and a lot more exposition of how we got to the point.  (Reileen wasn't Kovacs' sister in the book- the entire backstory is new)  Some I like, some I'm less fond of
3) The serious likes- the series does an *amazing* job with a couple of characters resleeved into bodies that aren't their original.  Ortega's grandmother resleeved into a huge tattooed thug is hilarious and the actor (note sex) playing Verne's wife is incredible.  I initially hated the change of the hotel from The Hendrix to the Raven, but Poe is perfect.  "I can now offer full guest amenities" is one of my all time favorite lines
4) I have no idea at all why they switched the Envoys from a Protectorate special forces group to a bunch of rebels- it's stupid.  The book showed why Kovacs isn't with them anymore and it's going to make filming the other two books a lot harder.  Rebel leader Quell was well played, but I still can't understand why they changed it.
5) There's a ton of violence.  Much of it is graphic, and the torture scenes might well leave a lot of people ill.  The torture is an integral part of the plot though- it can't be left out.
6) There is a lot of nudity as the article notes.  The idea that the naked sword fight was empowering strikes me as odd- I assumed it was just for eye candy.  (It doesn't exist in the book)
7) The complaints about "whitewashing" the lead role are possibly the stupidest things I've ever heard.  The entire freaking point of the book is that adapting to new bodies is hard, and Envoy training is specifically to be able to do it seamlessly.  (Minor spoiler) I'm really surprised nobody's said anything about the first sex scene- Kovacs is *raped* and *enjoys it*.  It's not rape-rape, but he's drugged into submission.  Later he goes back for more.  But hey, he's a guy getting it on with a hot woman, so that doesn't count, right?
 
2018-02-06 11:58:54 AM  

Snapper Carr: Ummm...

What episode are we talking about? And it is actual nude or "nude"?

//asking for a friend
/he's on episode 5


It's not sessy nudity. It's terrifying killing machine nudity. Think multiple Indonesian/Aussie Terminators just crashing through skylights, and when you drop one, another two show up right after that. And they just keep at it.
 
2018-02-06 12:04:55 PM  

hubiestubert: Snapper Carr: Ummm...

What episode are we talking about? And it is actual nude or "nude"?

//asking for a friend
/he's on episode 5

It's not sessy nudity. It's terrifying killing machine nudity. Think multiple Indonesian/Aussie Terminators just crashing through skylights, and when you drop one, another two show up right after that. And they just keep at it.


Dude


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2018-02-06 12:13:01 PM  
As someone's who's hafu, the "whitewashing" thing is Sofa King bogus that it boggles me. The entire concept is that sleeves are disposable. If anything, Ryker's body is just a costume. It's a prop. It was done to piss off Ortega, for a slight, which means our strong jawed detective's body is a carefully crafted insult. It's intrinsic to the book, and the concept that who you are inside a sleeve matters WAY more than the outside is a concept that goes around and around again.

What is cool, is to have Kovacs, who is a mutt, shown on Harlan's World, there is just a fantastic amount of multi-ethnic representation, and integration within the cast and story. And that their identities are still distinct. Not as race, but as culture. And that is a bigger point. To recognize the ties that culture bring, over color. Ortega's Mom and her Muslim partner bond over being believers in a time where belief is not easy. Ortega's grandmother steals every scene "she" is in, because she is done with a sheer amount of grace and a touch of crass that balances well. Very few of the characters are simple one notes. Even the torpedoes. OK, the techs at the torture clinic, they are pretty much disposable from the get go, but that massacre is straight from the book, and no one there had any chance once they put Kovacs into the chair...
 
2018-02-06 12:15:21 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: I often wonder how "okay so I'm going to need you to be in perfect physical shape, so I can film you completely naked with a sword" would be received.


Some variation on:

Fark is not your personal erot...
 
2018-02-06 12:17:30 PM  
Wouldn't that be more of a purrkin?
 
2018-02-06 12:19:22 PM  

hubiestubert: They got the tone right, even if they turned the Envoys into terrorist super-soldiers, instead of the world ending Protectorate elite. Which is, for some folks I think, a sticking point.


Yep, that irked me more than anything.  The Envoys aren't rebel super soldiers or terrorists- they're far worse.  In Broken Angels Kovacs mentions that the Envoys had had a number of successful missions lately- it's just nobody knew they were there.  You just get a coup in some country, or a sudden bit of regime engineering and everyone focuses on the people up front but it's the Envoys who are specifically manipulating everything from behind the scenes.  Death toll is irrelevant, so long as the Protectorate gets its due.

There's a reason why no Protectorate entity allow them to hold political office.
 
2018-02-06 12:28:17 PM  
Yeah, Ive finished it, and I won't spoil anything. That fight was farking epic.

As far as the nudity goes, we are talking about a civilization that views the human body the way we might see a favorite shirt. Female nudity is more prevalent than male, but I didn't get any sense that it was forced into anywhere it didn't belong. People are farking, bathing, popping out of cloning systems, and talking to or using sex workers; not sitting in a rocking chair knitting.

The point she makes about the character being so far removed from caring about being dressed or not when there's killin' to do is spot on. Dichen Lachman did her job magnificently.
 
2018-02-06 12:34:07 PM  
Watched the Clovefield movie, and Netflix decides that I want to watch this again and start auto-playing
 
2018-02-06 12:42:15 PM  

Mr.Poops: Consensus on the show? Is it worth watching a few episodes?


I'm liking it.   Its well cast and the production values are pretty good.  I was just introduced to the naked sword fight lady, and was unawares that she was gonna be naked in an upcoming episode.

So that's good.

/ Alternately, "The Cloverfield Paradox" is complete, utter, unredeemable shiat.
 
2018-02-06 12:48:26 PM  

Boudyro: Yeah, Ive finished it, and I won't spoil anything. That fight was farking epic.

As far as the nudity goes, we are talking about a civilization that views the human body the way we might see a favorite shirt. Female nudity is more prevalent than male, but I didn't get any sense that it was forced into anywhere it didn't belong. People are farking, bathing, popping out of cloning systems, and talking to or using sex workers; not sitting in a rocking chair knitting.

The point she makes about the character being so far removed from caring about being dressed or not when there's killin' to do is spot on. Dichen Lachman did her job magnificently.


Looking forward to watching it. The books were interesting.
 
2018-02-06 12:48:31 PM  

Boudyro: Yeah, Ive finished it, and I won't spoil anything. That fight was farking epic.


I just watched the final episodes last night, and that scene was relentless. The fact that she is naked is in your face (yeah,yeah), but almost fades into the background after the 1st 30 seconds. The viewer doesn't have time to focus on it, pause and DVR notwithstanding. I need rewatch and freeze frame to try and pick out the stunt doubles. Yeah, that's it.
 
2018-02-06 12:51:44 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: hubiestubert: They got the tone right, even if they turned the Envoys into terrorist super-soldiers, instead of the world ending Protectorate elite. Which is, for some folks I think, a sticking point.

Yep, that irked me more than anything.  The Envoys aren't rebel super soldiers or terrorists- they're far worse.  In Broken Angels Kovacs mentions that the Envoys had had a number of successful missions lately- it's just nobody knew they were there.  You just get a coup in some country, or a sudden bit of regime engineering and everyone focuses on the people up front but it's the Envoys who are specifically manipulating everything from behind the scenes.  Death toll is irrelevant, so long as the Protectorate gets its due.

There's a reason why no Protectorate entity allow them to hold political office.


While I'm not familiar with the source material it did seem strange to me that these "terrorists" were called Envoys and that they were so highly trained  in "intuition" and tactics and interpersonal manipulation as well as virtual manipulation. It definitely seemed more like something you'd see in an off the books spec ops type group.
 
2018-02-06 01:03:06 PM  
Given the era this novel was written in I can understand some technological extrapolation oversights, but can someone explain to me if the source material ever explains why they have facial recognition  for sleeves but it is apparently impossible to identify who is wearing them remotely?  For all of the infrastructure explained about how stacks and the DHF work and the fact that literally billions if not trillions of humans have been implanted it seems like a fairly critical oversight that just by changing skins no one can ID you without some kind of direct physical inspection of your hardware or guessing.
 
2018-02-06 01:08:42 PM  

docmattic: My take is that they owe serious royalties to Ridley Scott and William Gibson, but should also cut some chèques to John Scalzi for cribbing fromhis "Old Man's War" series.


Altered Carbon (2002) predates Old Man's War (2005).
 
2018-02-06 01:18:23 PM  
So I'm supposed to admire this woman's combat strength and not be aroused by her buck-nekkidivity?
No smirking at the merkin?
Being socially enlightened in the 21st century is hard (not a boner pun).
 
2018-02-06 01:33:29 PM  

oldfarthenry: So I'm supposed to admire this woman's combat strength and not be aroused by her buck-nekkidivity?
No smirking at the merkin?
Being socially enlightened in the 21st century is hard (not a boner pun).


Like GardenWeasel said the nakedness kinda fades into the background because shiat got real for Ortega. The raw physicality of it is breathtaking.

Should also mention I had no familiarity with the source material. I took the Envoys to all be people with particular sets of skills who got fed up with the Protectorate and accumulated families and such over the course of their rebellion. Then they were trained by Quell to be even more dangerous.
 
2018-02-06 01:34:30 PM  

dsmith42: docmattic: My take is that they owe serious royalties to Ridley Scott and William Gibson, but should also cut some chèques to John Scalzi for cribbing fromhis "Old Man's War" series.

Altered Carbon (2002) predates Old Man's War (2005).


That'll learn me for not being familiar with the source material.
 
2018-02-06 01:36:06 PM  

Mikey1969: Dichen Lachman...

Oh yeah, that woman has the most intriguing look I have ever seen... First started watching her on Dollhouse, and love it whenever she pops up in whatever I'm watching. Now, I'm just going to have to check out Altered Carbon.


She's cute, but also manages to look like a space alien. Something about Asian - Nordic that mixes oddly (I know a couple women IRL that look similar). The cheekbones with the almond eyes and long but flat nose.
 
2018-02-06 01:39:25 PM  
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2018-02-06 01:41:25 PM  

Snapper Carr: hubiestubert: Snapper Carr: Ummm...

What episode are we talking about? And it is actual nude or "nude"?

//asking for a friend
/he's on episode 5

It's not sessy nudity. It's terrifying killing machine nudity. Think multiple Indonesian/Aussie Terminators just crashing through skylights, and when you drop one, another two show up right after that. And they just keep at it.

Dude


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Indeed......

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/2nd time I used that GIF today
 
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