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2018-02-06 06:50:44 AM  
They'll start by trading Foles to Arizona.
 
2018-02-06 07:36:52 AM  
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2018-02-06 09:58:05 AM  
From what I've read, a lot of Philly fans are convinced that the team will land two first-round picks for Foles. Pretty much the same thing as New England fans were saying about Jimmy Garoppolo around this time last year.
 
2018-02-06 10:05:05 AM  

Super Chronic: From what I've read, a lot of Philly fans are convinced that the team will land two first-round picks for Foles. Pretty much the same thing as New England fans were saying about Jimmy Garoppolo around this time last year.


Well, super bowl MVP looks better on a resume than "beat a couple of nobodies early in the season"

But yeah, he's still probably only good for a second round pick or maybe a late first rounder.
 
2018-02-06 10:10:43 AM  
There are a lot of moves to be made to free up cap.

Jason Peters will either retire or be cut, freeing up a decent chunk of change.
Vinny Curry will be traded.
Torrey Smith being cut can free up around 5 million.
Foles will be traded.
Celek will retire or be cut.

This is all before we even get to the cap increasing. Yes they are tight, but they have something like 19 out of 22 starters under contract already. The only must will be finding the cap room for re-signing Bradham. If he wants too much then it becomes a must to draft a linebacker in the first round.

Patrick Robinson will go get paid, but we will still have Darby, Mills, Douglas, and Jones (who should be fully recovered by the start of the season).
Beau Allen will go get paid, but the coaches like Vaeao and Means, and he is 3rd string behind Cox and Jernigan (not to say he isn't a great run stuffer and good rotational piece who did work for us)
Blount might get paid, but with Ajayi, and with Clement looking like a great change of pace, it's a loss we can bear.

Offensive tackle is a question mark, it comes down to how much you believe in Vaitai long term
 
2018-02-06 10:19:33 AM  
Meanwhile in Cleveland there are rumors that Cleveland would actually offer picks for Kirk Cousins if the 'Skins franchise tag him again because:
A) no way in hell Cousins signs with them voluntarily and
B) The Browns have so much cap space that right now they are in danger of violating the 3-year salary FLOOR, and Kirk's $35 million price tag would help them solve that problem
 
2018-02-06 10:20:21 AM  
Or they could just set up a bogus Physical Therapy company that is owned in part by some of the players and then have the team pay that company a fee and have those players restructure their contracts to lower amounts, so as to circumvent the salary cap.  Like New England does.
 
2018-02-06 10:24:10 AM  

Bowen: Super Chronic: From what I've read, a lot of Philly fans are convinced that the team will land two first-round picks for Foles. Pretty much the same thing as New England fans were saying about Jimmy Garoppolo around this time last year.

Well, super bowl MVP looks better on a resume than "beat a couple of nobodies early in the season"

But yeah, he's still probably only good for a second round pick or maybe a late first rounder.


Yes and no. Super Bowl MVP looks good, but flaming out in two previous gigs (plus looking shaky at the end of this regular season) kind of offsets it. But it looks like ultimately we agree on his approximate value. It's not much of a seller's market in any case -- it looks like there will be three to five QBs in the first round of the draft, plus a couple more who could be interesting third or fourth rounders, and Kirk Cousins is hanging out there.
 
2018-02-06 10:25:28 AM  

Magorn: Meanwhile in Cleveland there are rumors that Cleveland would actually offer picks for Kirk Cousins if the 'Skins franchise tag him again because:
A) no way in hell Cousins signs with them voluntarily and
B) The Browns have so much cap space that right now they are in danger of violating the 3-year salary FLOOR, and Kirk's $35 million price tag would help them solve that problem


Why on earth would the Skins franchise tag him again when they picked up a new quarterback a week ago?  They aren't going to pay 2 QB's 30 million each next year.
 
2018-02-06 10:32:56 AM  

debug: Magorn: Meanwhile in Cleveland there are rumors that Cleveland would actually offer picks for Kirk Cousins if the 'Skins franchise tag him again because:
A) no way in hell Cousins signs with them voluntarily and
B) The Browns have so much cap space that right now they are in danger of violating the 3-year salary FLOOR, and Kirk's $35 million price tag would help them solve that problem

Why on earth would the Skins franchise tag him again when they picked up a new quarterback a week ago?  They aren't going to pay 2 QB's 30 million each next year.


You can franchise and trade, but it's risky.  The team that gets Cousins would then want to negotiate a multi-year contract and agree to compensation with Washington.  If that trade falls through Washington is stuck exactly as you said.  But it's also pretty irresponsible to have a guy on your roster worth that much and just let him walk out and leave you empty-handed.  You need 3 motivated parties.
 
2018-02-06 10:33:24 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: [img.fark.net image 600x450]


This.  I can't imagine any team or fanbase going "Well, we missed a SB title but we have lots of cap space!"

My only major concern going forwards is figuring out what to do with Peters.  He's an absolute rock, future HOF nominee, but he's also 36, coming off an ACL tear and has a huge contract.  The Eagles have no cap space for a FA and only have the 32nd pick- the stud OL folks are picked up ahead of that.  I don't see how you replace him but keeping him is a real gamble.

On a happier note, I was really pleased to see that Jon Dorenbos was both invited to the SB and will get a ring.  Class act guys
 
2018-02-06 10:33:53 AM  

Bowen: Super Chronic: From what I've read, a lot of Philly fans are convinced that the team will land two first-round picks for Foles. Pretty much the same thing as New England fans were saying about Jimmy Garoppolo around this time last year.

Well, super bowl MVP looks better on a resume than "beat a couple of nobodies early in the season"

But yeah, he's still probably only good for a second round pick or maybe a late first rounder.


Wouldn't it suck if this was Wentz's career year and he flames out in 2018?
 
2018-02-06 10:35:31 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: debug: Magorn: Meanwhile in Cleveland there are rumors that Cleveland would actually offer picks for Kirk Cousins if the 'Skins franchise tag him again because:
A) no way in hell Cousins signs with them voluntarily and
B) The Browns have so much cap space that right now they are in danger of violating the 3-year salary FLOOR, and Kirk's $35 million price tag would help them solve that problem

Why on earth would the Skins franchise tag him again when they picked up a new quarterback a week ago?  They aren't going to pay 2 QB's 30 million each next year.

You can franchise and trade, but it's risky.  The team that gets Cousins would then want to negotiate a multi-year contract and agree to compensation with Washington.  If that trade falls through Washington is stuck exactly as you said.  But it's also pretty irresponsible to have a guy on your roster worth that much and just let him walk out and leave you empty-handed.  You need 3 motivated parties.


It'd be hilarious if Cousins accepts the tender and promptly announces he won't negotiate an extension with any other team. "Yeah, I'll take $35 million of your money to hold a clipboard for a year, because fark you guys, that's why."
 
2018-02-06 10:35:55 AM  
Foles isn't going anywhere. There's no guarantee Wentz is ready for week 1 and the Eagles aren't starting the season with Nate Sudfield as their starting QB
 
2018-02-06 10:36:48 AM  

debug: Magorn: Meanwhile in Cleveland there are rumors that Cleveland would actually offer picks for Kirk Cousins if the 'Skins franchise tag him again because:
A) no way in hell Cousins signs with them voluntarily and
B) The Browns have so much cap space that right now they are in danger of violating the 3-year salary FLOOR, and Kirk's $35 million price tag would help them solve that problem

Why on earth would the Skins franchise tag him again when they picked up a new quarterback a week ago?  They aren't going to pay 2 QB's 30 million each next year.


Almost certainly not happening. But the reason would be that the Skins could theoretically recoup a pick/player instead of getting nothing in return for losing him. But, Cousins could just refuse to sign the franchise tag and drag things out for months if he wants too. And he would probably do so, so he could get to pick his new destination.
 
2018-02-06 10:39:04 AM  

SuperChuck: Foles isn't going anywhere. There's no guarantee Wentz is ready for week 1 and the Eagles aren't starting the season with Nate Sudfield as their starting QB


This.
 
2018-02-06 10:46:08 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: debug: Magorn: Meanwhile in Cleveland there are rumors that Cleveland would actually offer picks for Kirk Cousins if the 'Skins franchise tag him again because:
A) no way in hell Cousins signs with them voluntarily and
B) The Browns have so much cap space that right now they are in danger of violating the 3-year salary FLOOR, and Kirk's $35 million price tag would help them solve that problem

Why on earth would the Skins franchise tag him again when they picked up a new quarterback a week ago?  They aren't going to pay 2 QB's 30 million each next year.

You can franchise and trade, but it's risky.  The team that gets Cousins would then want to negotiate a multi-year contract and agree to compensation with Washington.  If that trade falls through Washington is stuck exactly as you said.  But it's also pretty irresponsible to have a guy on your roster worth that much and just let him walk out and leave you empty-handed.  You need 3 motivated parties.


Players' Association has said they will file a grievance if Washington tries to tag and trade as it "violates the intent of the tag which is to get a long term deal" even though teams don't really use it that way any more.

I guess the question is if the math fits. How many teams need a QB?

Buffalo seems determined to move on from Taylor
Jets maybe?
Miami has to decide if Tannehill is the long term answer
Giants should be looking long term, but the draft is the answer here unless they think they are a QB away from competing right now (which they might be if their defense gets back to 2016 form)
Browns are absolutely in need
Vikings, but they are more likely to just retain one of the 3 they have now
Jags are stuck with Bortles for another year unless they want to eat his price as a backup. Depends on if they think their window is just beginning to open, or if they need to strike now.
Cardinals are in need
Broncos are in need

Not all of these teams can bank on getting a stud in the draft. Cousins is the big free agency prize, but who is the #2? Tyrod? Keenum if the Vikings pass on him? Foles?

If you think you're a QB away you might just pay the price just to make sure you get your guy
 
2018-02-06 10:46:11 AM  

Super Chronic: Super Bowl MVP looks good, but flaming out in two previous gigs (plus looking shaky at the end of this regular season) kind of offsets it.


He looked fine once his plays were installed and wasn't still running Wentz's.

Remember, his crapular year came with Fisher. Fisher once had Foles, Keenum, and Goff.
 
2018-02-06 10:49:13 AM  
SuperChuck

Foles isn't going anywhere. There's no guarantee Wentz is ready for week 1 and the Eagles aren't starting the season with Nate Sudfield as their starting QB

That and he is pretty much a god in that town now.. If he is OK with being a strong #2 making most of his cash of endorsements, why not.
Also Philly could have some sort of dual QB situation going on, imagine having to prep a D if you know 2 guys are going to be interchangeable all game.
 
2018-02-06 10:50:37 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: debug: Magorn: Meanwhile in Cleveland there are rumors that Cleveland would actually offer picks for Kirk Cousins if the 'Skins franchise tag him again because:
A) no way in hell Cousins signs with them voluntarily and
B) The Browns have so much cap space that right now they are in danger of violating the 3-year salary FLOOR, and Kirk's $35 million price tag would help them solve that problem

Why on earth would the Skins franchise tag him again when they picked up a new quarterback a week ago?  They aren't going to pay 2 QB's 30 million each next year.

Almost certainly not happening. But the reason would be that the Skins could theoretically recoup a pick/player instead of getting nothing in return for losing him. But, Cousins could just refuse to sign the franchise tag and drag things out for months if he wants too. And he would probably do so, so he could get to pick his new destination.


Yup. He's not going to let Washington, who dicked him around on a contract for 3 straight years, determine the next place he's going to play. He could simply not play this year, and still get ~$20 million in 2019.
 
2018-02-06 10:51:41 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: debug: Magorn: Meanwhile in Cleveland there are rumors that Cleveland would actually offer picks for Kirk Cousins if the 'Skins franchise tag him again because:
A) no way in hell Cousins signs with them voluntarily and
B) The Browns have so much cap space that right now they are in danger of violating the 3-year salary FLOOR, and Kirk's $35 million price tag would help them solve that problem

Why on earth would the Skins franchise tag him again when they picked up a new quarterback a week ago?  They aren't going to pay 2 QB's 30 million each next year.

You can franchise and trade, but it's risky.  The team that gets Cousins would then want to negotiate a multi-year contract and agree to compensation with Washington.  If that trade falls through Washington is stuck exactly as you said.  But it's also pretty irresponsible to have a guy on your roster worth that much and just let him walk out and leave you empty-handed.  You need 3 motivated parties.


I'm aware that can be done, but why would they?  It would be foolish since there's zero chance of cousins signing it anyway.  This is why it was amazing that they didn't make both moves at the same time.  Bring in Smith and move Cousins.  Now they're kind of stuck in a corner with pretty much no control.
 
2018-02-06 10:52:07 AM  

Klivian: Nana's Vibrator: debug: Magorn: Meanwhile in Cleveland there are rumors that Cleveland would actually offer picks for Kirk Cousins if the 'Skins franchise tag him again because:
A) no way in hell Cousins signs with them voluntarily and
B) The Browns have so much cap space that right now they are in danger of violating the 3-year salary FLOOR, and Kirk's $35 million price tag would help them solve that problem

Why on earth would the Skins franchise tag him again when they picked up a new quarterback a week ago?  They aren't going to pay 2 QB's 30 million each next year.

You can franchise and trade, but it's risky.  The team that gets Cousins would then want to negotiate a multi-year contract and agree to compensation with Washington.  If that trade falls through Washington is stuck exactly as you said.  But it's also pretty irresponsible to have a guy on your roster worth that much and just let him walk out and leave you empty-handed.  You need 3 motivated parties.

Players' Association has said they will file a grievance if Washington tries to tag and trade as it "violates the intent of the tag which is to get a long term deal" even though teams don't really use it that way any more.

I guess the question is if the math fits. How many teams need a QB?

Buffalo seems determined to move on from Taylor
Jets maybe?
Miami has to decide if Tannehill is the long term answer
Giants should be looking long term, but the draft is the answer here unless they think they are a QB away from competing right now (which they might be if their defense gets back to 2016 form)
Browns are absolutely in need
Vikings, but they are more likely to just retain one of the 3 they have now
Jags are stuck with Bortles for another year unless they want to eat his price as a backup. Depends on if they think their window is just beginning to open, or if they need to strike now.
Cardinals are in need
Broncos are in need

Not all of these teams can bank on getting a stud in the draft. Cousins is the ...


I have to believe that his Shiny New Super Bowl MVP award makes Foles the "it" QB in free agency and Cousins is now the also ran.  That said, I think  Foles most likely to end up with the cards and Cousins with the Broncos and whoever Minnesota lets go ends up and the next Browns QB
 
2018-02-06 10:54:13 AM  
Patriots need to seriously start looking for another replacement
 
2018-02-06 10:54:41 AM  

Magorn: Klivian: Nana's Vibrator: debug: Magorn: Meanwhile in Cleveland there are rumors that Cleveland would actually offer picks for Kirk Cousins if the 'Skins franchise tag him again because:
A) no way in hell Cousins signs with them voluntarily and
B) The Browns have so much cap space that right now they are in danger of violating the 3-year salary FLOOR, and Kirk's $35 million price tag would help them solve that problem

Why on earth would the Skins franchise tag him again when they picked up a new quarterback a week ago?  They aren't going to pay 2 QB's 30 million each next year.

You can franchise and trade, but it's risky.  The team that gets Cousins would then want to negotiate a multi-year contract and agree to compensation with Washington.  If that trade falls through Washington is stuck exactly as you said.  But it's also pretty irresponsible to have a guy on your roster worth that much and just let him walk out and leave you empty-handed.  You need 3 motivated parties.

Players' Association has said they will file a grievance if Washington tries to tag and trade as it "violates the intent of the tag which is to get a long term deal" even though teams don't really use it that way any more.

I guess the question is if the math fits. How many teams need a QB?

Buffalo seems determined to move on from Taylor
Jets maybe?
Miami has to decide if Tannehill is the long term answer
Giants should be looking long term, but the draft is the answer here unless they think they are a QB away from competing right now (which they might be if their defense gets back to 2016 form)
Browns are absolutely in need
Vikings, but they are more likely to just retain one of the 3 they have now
Jags are stuck with Bortles for another year unless they want to eat his price as a backup. Depends on if they think their window is just beginning to open, or if they need to strike now.
Cardinals are in need
Broncos are in need

Not all of these teams can bank on getting a stud in the draft. Cousi ...


Foles is still under contract for this upcoming season. Oddly enough his contract has a "poison pill" in it that basically forces him to become a free agent after next offseason, so to get Foles a team would need to trade for him (with a price around a 2nd rounder, or maybe a 1st in 2019) and a new contract without that clause.
 
2018-02-06 11:00:35 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: [img.fark.net image 600x450]


100% this. Maybe they fall into salary cap hell for the next 5 years - it will suck, sure, but "Don't Care. Had Sex Won Super Bowl."

Glockenspiel Hero: This. I can't imagine any team or fanbase going "Well, we missed a SB title but we have lots of cap space!"


Which the Eagles have actually been accused of multiple times in the past 20 years. They would keep crowing about how they had a good 12-15M still free to "roll over for next year", and then everyone was always "That's nice... when are you actually going to use it for something?"  I mean, I can understand doing it every now-and-then if you think the following year will be a better FA class or there's a bunch of extensions coming up... but almost every single year?

On a happier note, I was really pleased to see that Jon Dorenbos was both invited to the SB and will get a ring.  Class act guys

Yup. And something that would have never happened under Joe "It's Just Business" Banner, the man primarily responsible for Dawkins getting kicked out. It's amazing how much more friendly and open the entire organization is nowadays.
 
2018-02-06 11:01:19 AM  
Klivian:

Buffalo: Definitely in the running. But the way they treated Tyrod should concern any incoming QB, also NE in the same division.
Jets: Also in the running, but they don't have the pieces in place to compete currently, and NE in the same division
Miami: They are going with Tannehill. 
Giants: Only if Eli demands a trade or retires. They probably can't afford two big name QBs. Likeliest destination for Keenum, I think.
Browns: Do you want to be the savior of Cleveland? Do you think they have the pieces to compete now? They have plenty of cap space to bring in other FAs, too. It's not as silly as it sounds.
Vikings: Others disagree, but I think they re-sign Bridgewater and keep Bradford as a backup with a greatly reduced contract. Nobody is going to sign Bradford with his knees as a starter.
Jags: Bortles played amazing in the playoffs. If they get rid of him, I'd be stunned.
Cardinals: They seem to be on the decline, and are getting worse every year. New coach may turn things around, but I'm guessing Fitz is gone.
Broncos: (I'm biased, obviously) Probably the most likely landing place. Emmanuel Sanders is probably gone this year, freeing up some cap. CJ Anderson will either renegotiate or be traded. It will be tough to fit Cousins' contract in, but that's one of the things that Elway is really, really good at. AFCW isn't an easy division, but most of Denver's defense is still intact. Talib is likely out, though, sadly.
 
2018-02-06 11:05:02 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: SuperChuck

Foles isn't going anywhere. There's no guarantee Wentz is ready for week 1 and the Eagles aren't starting the season with Nate Sudfield as their starting QB

That and he is pretty much a god in that town now.. If he is OK with being a strong #2 making most of his cash of endorsements, why not.
Also Philly could have some sort of dual QB situation going on, imagine having to prep a D if you know 2 guys are going to be interchangeable all game.


Co-starting QBs has never worked in the NFL. Swapping them in and out of the game has much worse effect on your offense than it does on the opposing defense.
 
2018-02-06 11:06:06 AM  

debug: I'm aware that can be done, but why would they? It would be foolish since there's zero chance of cousins signing it anyway.


You do know which organization you're talking about, right? Yes, it would be extremely dumb, and completely arrogant ("We can screw over the player AND still get what we want"), and have absolutely no forethought of probable consequences. And, therefore, completely unsurprising for Washington.
 
2018-02-06 11:16:19 AM  

mikaloyd: Patriots need to seriously start looking for another replacement


I have no doubts that it was supposed to be Garroppolo (however that's spelled). Whether Kraft screwed with Belichick, we'll never know.

But, yes, they are kind of stuck right now.
 
2018-02-06 11:25:01 AM  

Mercutio879: Broncos: (I'm biased, obviously) Probably the most likely landing place. Emmanuel Sanders is probably gone this year, freeing up some cap. CJ Anderson will either renegotiate or be traded. It will be tough to fit Cousins' contract in, but that's one of the things that Elway is really, really good at. AFCW isn't an easy division, but most of Denver's defense is still intact. Talib is likely out, though, sadly.


Yeah, I suspect Cousins will end up in Denver too. With Talib likely gone, they can 'afford' it. I think Elway believes the Broncos are a QB away from competing for an Owl. I think he is wrong. He can't seem to fix the OL, or find an OC, and the defense is getting older and losing pieces, but hubris my name is Elway.

What do they do with the #5 pick, then? Easy to say trade down, but you need a partner to make that happen. I don't see a complete teardown happening. If that were the case, 58 is on the block.
 
2018-02-06 11:46:29 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Mercutio879: Broncos: (I'm biased, obviously) Probably the most likely landing place. Emmanuel Sanders is probably gone this year, freeing up some cap. CJ Anderson will either renegotiate or be traded. It will be tough to fit Cousins' contract in, but that's one of the things that Elway is really, really good at. AFCW isn't an easy division, but most of Denver's defense is still intact. Talib is likely out, though, sadly.

Yeah, I suspect Cousins will end up in Denver too. With Talib likely gone, they can 'afford' it. I think Elway believes the Broncos are a QB away from competing for an Owl. I think he is wrong. He can't seem to fix the OL, or find an OC, and the defense is getting older and losing pieces, but hubris my name is Elway.

What do they do with the #5 pick, then? Easy to say trade down, but you need a partner to make that happen. I don't see a complete teardown happening. If that were the case, 58 is on the block.


If Cousins lands in Denver, they use the #5 pick on the best player available who's not a QB. Supposedly, Denver and Atlanta are already in talks to trade Siemian over there for Ryan's backup. Lynch will likely stick around as Cousins' backup (his cap hit is too high to cut him, and they wouldn't get much in trade), and I doubt Elway cares much about Osweiler at this point.

I don't think they have to do a complete teardown. Trading Miller (which I would absolutely hate, but understand) would give them a ton of draft picks and probably a player or two, but he's the leader of the defense. You can compare it to the Herschel Walker trade, but I don't think he was the lynchpin of the Dallas offense at the time.

The Denver defense is nowhere near their 2015 peak, of course, but Elway hasn't done that bad drafting defensive players, and they were still near the top of the league this year, even with the turnover. Joe Woods did a very good job in his first year as DC.

Elway and Kubiak probably have two fully fledged plans sitting on their desks. One with Cousins, one with Mayfield (since they really seem to be staring at him lately, a trade UP to grab him wouldn't surprise me).

Vance has learned from his first year, hopefully, and will be better prepared for this one. I get torched when I say this on Reddit, but keeping him was the smart move.
 
2018-02-06 12:04:42 PM  

Mercutio879: I don't think they have to do a complete teardown


Agreed. Pay Cousins, trade down with #5(if they can) and replenish the roster with cheap, younger guys and fill holes with vets that have never won a title.

Part of the reason the defense was so great in 2015 was because it was hungry. Lots of vets that were desperate to win.

A complete teardown is unwarranted. And because so many Broncos players took ownership of last season's failure and back Joseph, I'm ok with giving him another season.
 
2018-02-06 12:09:26 PM  
Doesn't matter, had sex won a Super Bowl.
 
2018-02-06 02:00:54 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: On a happier note, I was really pleased to see that Jon Dorenbos was both invited to the SB and will get a ring. Class act guys


It's a pretty awesome gesture, but I also have to wonder what Dorenbos thinks of it.  He'll obviously be gracious in accepting it, but does he really want a ring celebrating a season he had no part of?

natural316: Wouldn't it suck if this was Wentz's career year and he flames out in 2018?


Of course, but I would lean towards another injury keeping him out over a "flame out."

But if you ask Eagles fans if they'd rather have this year's Super Bowl or a decade of Wentz without a Super Bowl guarantee, they'll all choose the former.
 
2018-02-06 03:07:33 PM  

SuperChuck: Foles isn't going anywhere. There's no guarantee Wentz is ready for week 1 and the Eagles aren't starting the season with Nate Sudfield as their starting QB


while i agree this is the smart move it is fair to say that Foles is worth more in trade value now then he has ever been or will likely ever be if he stay in Philly.     The Eagles will likely get offers for Foles even if they do not take them and some may be very tempting.
 
2018-02-06 07:05:16 PM  

Super Chronic: Bowen: Super Chronic: From what I've read, a lot of Philly fans are convinced that the team will land two first-round picks for Foles. Pretty much the same thing as New England fans were saying about Jimmy Garoppolo around this time last year.

Well, super bowl MVP looks better on a resume than "beat a couple of nobodies early in the season"

But yeah, he's still probably only good for a second round pick or maybe a late first rounder.

Yes and no. Super Bowl MVP looks good, but flaming out in two previous gigs (plus looking shaky at the end of this regular season) kind of offsets it. But it looks like ultimately we agree on his approximate value. It's not much of a seller's market in any case -- it looks like there will be three to five QBs in the first round of the draft, plus a couple more who could be interesting third or fourth rounders, and Kirk Cousins is hanging out there.


Come on. NOBODY thrived under Jeff Fisher. He couldn't win with:

Nick Foles
Jared Goff
Case Keenum
Todd Gurley

All of whom have had award winning years once they got out from under his mullet.
 
2018-02-06 07:26:16 PM  

natural316: Bowen: Super Chronic: From what I've read, a lot of Philly fans are convinced that the team will land two first-round picks for Foles. Pretty much the same thing as New England fans were saying about Jimmy Garoppolo around this time last year.

Well, super bowl MVP looks better on a resume than "beat a couple of nobodies early in the season"

But yeah, he's still probably only good for a second round pick or maybe a late first rounder.

Wouldn't it suck if this was Wentz's career year and he flames out in 2018?


I'm watching the Pens playing against Flower. Always a chance the guy who you can't keep has a top tier year right after. Mind you, Pens did exactly what they needed to, just holy smokes on Flower this year.
 
2018-02-06 07:30:54 PM  

debug: Or they could just set up a bogus Physical Therapy company that is owned in part by some of the players and then have the team pay that company a fee and have those players restructure their contracts to lower amounts, so as to circumvent the salary cap.  Like New England does.


Or they can just pay them off book like Denver does.
 
2018-02-06 07:38:21 PM  

mikaloyd: Patriots need to seriously start looking for another replacement


That will probably come from the draft. Don't want to pay vets to hold a clipboard.
 
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