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(Eat Sip Trip)   You've been drinking stale coffee for your entire life. Roasted coffee beans are only fresh 5 to 7 days after roasting. Here's the science as to how and why roasted coffee has such a short shelf life   ( eatsiptrip.10best.com) divider line
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2018-02-05 05:25:11 PM  
Coffee is my lifeblood. Before I do or say anything in the morning, I need a cup of coffee. A coffee with cream to be exact. To my black-coffee drinking husband's chagrin, I put enough cream in my brew to turn it from the color of midnight to a light tan.

If you need to add cream to your coffee in order to drink it, coffee is not "your lifeblood."

So in addition to hacking your way to a better cup of coffee with that hand grinder or that AeroPress, try roasting the coffee beans yourself

Uh-huh. Or, you know, buy an airtight container, keep it in a cool, dark place, and don't buy more coffee at once than you're going to drink in a week. But, yeah, have fun roasting your bean daily.

Articles like this are exactly why so many so-called hipsters deserve all the scorn they get.
 
2018-02-05 05:41:45 PM  
Ummm... that's why I roast my own, subby. Yes, it really does taste different. Roast a pound on Sunday, and it'll last me a bit over a week. And yes, by the time I get to the end of the pound, it tastes odd to me.

But I'm not going to rag on somebody for liking it the way they're used to, even if that might be "stale" to my taste buds. God knows I've got enough other stuff to worry about.
 
2018-02-05 05:46:42 PM  
I guess I'm okay with stake coffee, then.  So I see no reason to care.
 
2018-02-05 05:57:09 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Your analysis is weak and purposely leaves out all of the points that undermine your argument. 

Point 1: If you need to add cream to your coffee in order to drink it, coffee is not "your lifeblood."
This point is addressed in the article if you read it. "Upwards of 63% of coffee drinkers add cream and/or sugar to their coffees." The reason being that roasted coffee, after 5 to 7 days, becomes stale due to the naturally occurring fats and sugars in the coffee bean oxidizing. The author continues to explain: "If you do happen to get your hands on a batch of freshly roasted coffee beans, you can actually taste the sugars and fats that occur naturally in the coffee, which balance the natural bitterness of the caffeine. Average coffee drinkers who add cream and sugar to their coffee do so to counteract the bitterness of the caffeine, which overpowers the sweet taste of coffee, especially as it becomes stale."

Point 2:Uh-huh. Or, you know, buy an airtight container, keep it in a cool, dark place, and don't buy more coffee at once than you're going to drink in a week. But, yeah, have fun roasting your bean daily.
You're wrong again -- and again, the author even addresses these points. Buying an airtight container doesn't work because freshly roasted coffee beans release CO2. Even if they were in an airtight container, the CO2 would have nowhere to escape, which would cause the container to burst. This is why all coffee bags have a release valve on the side -- to let CO2 out so that the bag doesn't burst. The author even addresses this point by explaining that as soon as the beans are done releasing CO2, as soon as it touches the air, the oxidation process will begin: "But once the bag is opened and oxygen rushes in, if the beans are no longer releasing CO2, then most of the flavor is lost within moments."

Point 3:But, yeah, have fun roasting your bean daily.
Never instructs you to roast daily. The beans will release CO2 for 5 to 7 days, which, as the author explains that CO2 "creates a natural barrier between the coffee beans and the oxygen."

Point 4:So in addition to hacking your way to a better cup of coffee with that hand grinder or that AeroPress, try roasting the coffee beans yourself
You cite this quote from the article as if there's a problem with it. The author is encouraging you not to waste your money on coffee gadgets and is instead giving the power to the consumer to buy beans directly from coffee growers and not large-scale coffee companies who are notorious for not paying their farmers fairly.  The home roasting process is very easy and also empowers the consumer to explore more flavors and different types of roasts without feeding into the specialty coffee market -- an industry that is way more "hipster" than buying green coffee beans and roasting them at home. Coffee is a commodity that is traded on global stock markets. I think it's a bold stand to cut out the middle man, especially when the middle man is some so-called "Master Roaster" who pockets most of the profit for roasting beans and then selling a stale, mediocre product to consumers.
 
2018-02-05 06:12:51 PM  
 
2018-02-05 06:42:45 PM  
Holy crap.  I've never seen such a meticulous response to Pocket Ninja.
 
2018-02-05 07:11:34 PM  

UberDave: Holy crap.  I've never seen such a meticulous response to Pocket Ninja.


Someone does appear to be getting a kick out of most of these replies, and thinks farkers are very good at making it sound like they know what they are talking about.
 
2018-02-05 07:12:09 PM  
I get my coffee from a couple of local coffee roasting companies. Not from a can.
 
2018-02-05 07:16:28 PM  
i roasted green coffee beans at home for awhile. It did make for some good coffee, but it seemed to me that the underlying quality of the beans overall had much more of a difference than how long ago it was roasted.
im back to mass produced store coffee now.. the roasting became a pain in the butt. if the coffee im drinking is stale, oh well. i like it good enough.
 
2018-02-05 07:37:30 PM  
Folger's 1/2 calf in the 12 lb drum is fine with me.
 
2018-02-05 07:43:17 PM  
You know what doesn't go stale in a week?  Tea.

Suck it, Coffee.
 
2018-02-05 07:47:56 PM  

dv-ous: https://greencoffees.coffeebeandirect​.​com/


Maria's.

Or Adventure Roasters if you know the owners.
 
2018-02-05 07:50:17 PM  
That's why I get my coffee from Starbucks. It's too burnt to taste stale.

/winning
 
2018-02-05 07:53:29 PM  
Coffee is my lifeblood. Before I do or say anything in the morning, I need a cup of coffee.

Sounds like a caffeine addiction problem.  In fact, its not smart to consume caffeine for the first 20 minutes or so after waking up because of the effect/counter-effect caffeine and cortisol have on each other.  Drink right away and your body will learn not to produce so much cortisol and, thus, you become dependent.

Also, it only takes around two weeks for your body to adapt to whatever caffeine level you're at.... so if you pump 400mg of caffeine into your system a day, it stops 'helping' pretty fast and you're simply dependent (thus things like headaches if you go too long without).  I switched to half caf or decaf a lot more, so that when I NEED a caffeine boost to stay awake (not unusual for me to work a wedding and not get home til 12 or even 2 am), then it will actually help.
 
2018-02-05 07:54:01 PM  
You've been drinking stale coffee for your entire life...

And I apparently never knew, don't care and you can fark off.
 
2018-02-05 07:57:47 PM  

Pocket Ninja: If you need to add cream to your coffee in order to drink it, coffee is not "your lifeblood."


If you don't put cream in your coffee, you're a psychopath.  http://www.iflscience.com/brain/peop​le​-who-their-coffee-black-are-more-likel​y-be-psychopaths/
 
2018-02-05 08:00:21 PM  
So long as that brown bitter nectar keeps preventing pre-noon murder by - or of - me, I don't care how it's supposed to be roasted, stored, or brewed
 
2018-02-05 08:14:44 PM  
Back when I was picking beans in Guatemala, we used to make fresh coffee, right off the trees I mean. That was good. This is shiat but, hey, I'm in a police station. the U.S.
 
2018-02-05 08:20:17 PM  

Craw Fu: Pocket Ninja: If you need to add cream to your coffee in order to drink it, coffee is not "your lifeblood."

If you don't put cream in your coffee, you're a psychopath.  http://www.iflscience.com/brain/peopl​e-who-their-coffee-black-are-more-like​ly-be-psychopaths/


so?
 
2018-02-05 08:22:33 PM  
A) Get a one way valve canister. It lets out the CO2 slowly, keeps the O2 out, and increases the shelf life of coffee beans.
B) Go to a place that actually roasts the beans themselves, talk to them, ask them what day of the week they roast, and can you get the freshest batch. This is the hardest part, b/c imitators and frauds jumped on this coffee bandwagon, and they ship their beans in from God knows where. Look at the outside of the building, looking for larger than normal smoke stacks or vent ducts. Tricky if they're connected or share a building w/ a large restaurant.
C) Wash or rinse off your equipment every farking time, yes really. Brush out, blow out your grinder every time, too. Get one of those squeeze balls that blow air for camera lenses, those work really well, although you'll get coffee dust from out of the grinder and onto the counter, but at least that you can wash easier.
D) When you buy whole beans, if the barista asks if you would like them ground, sneer, take off your glasses, and start calling them "cazzo," etc. Remember, when you yell at someone in Italian, you have to use your hands.
 
2018-02-05 08:24:39 PM  
In my sleep? I haven't consciously consumed coffee in 20 years.
 
2018-02-05 08:28:25 PM  

weddingsinger: Coffee is my lifeblood. Before I do or say anything in the morning, I need a cup of coffee.

Sounds like a caffeine addiction problem.  In fact, its not smart to consume caffeine for the first 20 minutes or so after waking up because of the effect/counter-effect caffeine and cortisol have on each other.  Drink right away and your body will learn not to produce so much cortisol and, thus, you become dependent.

Also, it only takes around two weeks for your body to adapt to whatever caffeine level you're at.... so if you pump 400mg of caffeine into your system a day, it stops 'helping' pretty fast and you're simply dependent (thus things like headaches if you go too long without).  I switched to half caf or decaf a lot more, so that when I NEED a caffeine boost to stay awake (not unusual for me to work a wedding and not get home til 12 or even 2 am), then it will actually help.


I was assured earlier today, in another thread that caffeine was not a drug and that no drugs were addictive
 
2018-02-05 08:35:48 PM  

weddingsinger: In fact, its not smart to consume caffeine for the first 20 minutes or so after waking up because of the effect/counter-effect caffeine and cortisol have on each other. Drink right away and your body will learn not to produce so much cortisol and, thus, you become dependent.


So you're saying that frequently using the coffeepot timer setting as my alarm clock in college was a bad idea?
 
2018-02-05 08:39:41 PM  
Chicken will go bad within two days under normal conditions. There's no way around it. You all must be eating rotten chicken.
 
2018-02-05 08:41:59 PM  
Unroasted coffee beans seem hard to find unless you want to waste money on "organic".
 
2018-02-05 08:45:04 PM  
When I'm in the mood I will roast my own beans in a popcorn popper. It makes about a week's supply and before you mock me it tastes amazing.

Google "sweetmaria coffee" to check it out, had a friend at work years ago get me started.
Your house smells amazing, the coffee is better than anything you've ever had, and you feel like a boss.

I just use an air popper that I found online, there are way more expensive methods but it works out pretty good. All you need is the popper, a strainer, some ears, the raw beans, and a stopwatch.  There are suggested ballpark times but what you're really looking for is the sounds and smells of the first and second crack as you roast the beans. If I can do it any of you smart farkers can do it too.
 
2018-02-05 08:45:38 PM  
The best coffee I have ever had was from burger king.   No joke.

When I worked construction, there was a burger King that had a central American couple that would open it.   They were immigrants, really nice people and really worked hard at every aspect.  When they opened the bk, they would make a pot of "their" coffee, that they could drink.   It was not the burger King mix, but their own beans.   If you showed up early enough, you could have a cup of it before they brewed the burger King sludge.   Their coffee was flavorful, it was a party in your mouth.

I'm sure I'm remembering it with rose colored glasses now,  but I know at the time it was better than anything starbucks served (that was several people's opinion, not just mine).
 
2018-02-05 08:51:54 PM  

Its a Living: Pocket Ninja: Your analysis is weak and purposely leaves out all of the points that undermine your argument. 

Point 1: If you need to add cream to your coffee in order to drink it, coffee is not "your lifeblood."
This point is addressed in the article if you read it. "Upwards of 63% of coffee drinkers add cream and/or sugar to their coffees." The reason being that roasted coffee, after 5 to 7 days, becomes stale due to the naturally occurring fats and sugars in the coffee bean oxidizing. The author continues to explain: "If you do happen to get your hands on a batch of freshly roasted coffee beans, you can actually taste the sugars and fats that occur naturally in the coffee, which balance the natural bitterness of the caffeine. Average coffee drinkers who add cream and sugar to their coffee do so to counteract the bitterness of the caffeine, which overpowers the sweet taste of coffee, especially as it becomes stale."

Point 2:Uh-huh. Or, you know, buy an airtight container, keep it in a cool, dark place, and don't buy more coffee at once than you're going to drink in a week. But, yeah, have fun roasting your bean daily.
You're wrong again -- and again, the author even addresses these points. Buying an airtight container doesn't work because freshly roasted coffee beans release CO2. Even if they were in an airtight container, the CO2 would have nowhere to escape, which would cause the container to burst. This is why all coffee bags have a release valve on the side -- to let CO2 out so that the bag doesn't burst. The author even addresses this point by explaining that as soon as the beans are done releasing CO2, as soon as it touches the air, the oxidation process will begin: "But once the bag is opened and oxygen rushes in, if the beans are no longer releasing CO2, then most of the flavor is lost within moments."

Point 3:But, yeah, have fun roasting your bean daily.
Never instructs you to roast daily. The beans will release CO2 for 5 to 7 days, which, as the autho ...


This is one of the biggest "well actually"'s I've ever seen. I applaud you.
 
2018-02-05 08:52:40 PM  
Wait, I've been drinking coffee?? Since when?
 
2018-02-05 09:14:29 PM  
That's why I get my coffee from the new Racetrack. High turnover, new location has on demand grind and brew machines. $2 and I get it made without waste, because I often don't use the coffee I buy before it goes meh.
 
2018-02-05 09:25:21 PM  
If you are going to take a stimulant every day, at least take one with less peripheral side effects:
 
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More mental clarity, less anxiety, lower blood pressure/heart rate = less chance of a heart attack.
 
2018-02-05 09:48:47 PM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: If you are going to take a stimulant every day, at least take one with less peripheral side effects:
 [i.imgur.com image 288x216]
More mental clarity, less anxiety, lower blood pressure/heart rate = less chance of a heart attack.


Oh, come on Eileen!
 
2018-02-05 09:51:11 PM  

talkertopc: Unroasted coffee beans seem hard to find unless you want to waste money on "organic".


There's plenty of online sources for green coffee beans. I've been home roasting for several years now and can't remember ordering any coffee labelled as "organic". In fact the coffee I get is typically from Ethiopia or Guatemala and I don't think they even have organic certifications in those Countries.
 
2018-02-05 09:52:49 PM  

Exluddite: Lars The Canadian Viking: If you are going to take a stimulant every day, at least take one with less peripheral side effects:
 [i.imgur.com image 288x216]
More mental clarity, less anxiety, lower blood pressure/heart rate = less chance of a heart attack.

Oh, come on Eileen!


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2018-02-05 10:03:58 PM  
Stale? Try making coffee in 1975 from grounds left over from the Korean war. Still had caffeine and that's all that matters in the Navy.

/currently making from a jug of Folger's with a Best By of Oct. 2013. It's better than Navy coffee.
 
2018-02-05 10:04:22 PM  
Christ-on-a-cross,  people. It's a cup of coffee. Do you take this much effort in raising your kids? Helping your neighbors? Cleaning the eels out of your hovercraft?
You make me puke.
 
2018-02-05 10:23:07 PM  
I like my coffee like I like my ladies, dry and instant.
 
2018-02-05 10:35:08 PM  
Does the 5-7 days start before or after it ebters thw cat's digestive tract?
 
2018-02-05 10:41:36 PM  

rcain: talkertopc: Unroasted coffee beans seem hard to find unless you want to waste money on "organic".

There's plenty of online sources for green coffee beans. I've been home roasting for several years now and can't remember ordering any coffee labelled as "organic". In fact the coffee I get is typically from Ethiopia or Guatemala and I don't think they even have organic certifications in those Countries.


They both do, and Fair Trade as well - drinking some Ethiopian right now. (Grounds for Change dot com)
 
2018-02-05 10:58:54 PM  
I have ordered green beans from Sweet Marias and roasted them myself. It really is MUCH better than any other coffee. It takes extra time and more work, but it will make the best coffee you've ever had.

That being said, I haven't done it in years because being a coffee snob is not fun. Freshly roasted coffee is so much better than anything else you can get that it makes having coffee anywhere else unpleasant. Not being a snob about coffee really does improve your quality of life.
 
2018-02-05 10:59:45 PM  

BenSaw2: rcain: talkertopc: Unroasted coffee beans seem hard to find unless you want to waste money on "organic".

There's plenty of online sources for green coffee beans. I've been home roasting for several years now and can't remember ordering any coffee labelled as "organic". In fact the coffee I get is typically from Ethiopia or Guatemala and I don't think they even have organic certifications in those Countries.

They both do, and Fair Trade as well - drinking some Ethiopian right now. (Grounds for Change dot com)


I use Sweet Maria's, I know they buy direct from the Farmers with a program called Farm Gate which supposedly pays the Farmers a higher price than Fair Trade, but I've never been aware of them pushing beans as organic, but then again I don't really give a flying fark. And looking at their beans from Guatemala, none are listed as organic
 
2018-02-05 11:04:27 PM  

weddingsinger: In fact, its not smart to consume caffeine for the first 20 minutes or so after waking up because of the effect/counter-effect caffeine and cortisol have on each other.  Drink right away and your body will learn not to produce so much cortisol and, thus, you become dependent.


Yep - recommended to slam a pint to a quart of cold water first thing.  Save the coffee for 10ish/2ish when your cortisol level is low. Of course I don't do that, I mix a cup of drip coffee with proteins & greens powder and time to make the donuts.
 
2018-02-05 11:16:52 PM  

Pocket Ninja: But, yeah, have fun roasting your bean daily.


She did say the flavor lasts 5-7 days after roasting, so a daily roast wouldn't be necessary. A batch could be brewed on Sunday and last through the week.
 
2018-02-05 11:21:02 PM  
You've been drinking stale coffee for your entire life. Roasted coffee beans are only fresh 5 to 7 days after roasting.

I've been telling people this on Fark in every coffee thread for years now.  People are always all "well I LIKE my shiat, stale coffee, as long as it's Jamaican Blue Mountain, so nyah!"

rcain: talkertopc: Unroasted coffee beans seem hard to find unless you want to waste money on "organic".

There's plenty of online sources for green coffee beans.


You can buy green coffee beans of dubious quality on the internet (basically, all the stuff that's left over after the high-end roasters buy the good beans) and then inexpertly roast it at home - OR - you can just get a coffee subscription from a legit 3rd wave roaster and have amazing, single-origin coffee that scored higher than 80 on the SCA scale delivered to you the day after it's roasted by an expert.

Here are the big three:
https://counterculturecoffee.com/
https://www.stumptowncoffee.com
https://www.intelligentsiacoffee.com/​

Also, if anyone is interested in making a decent array of espresso drinks at home, (and wants the opinion of a coffee professional)  I will recommend this machine.  It's not a Synesso MVP or a LaMarzocco GB5, but it does a very respectable job where most home machines aren't worth the trouble.  You can pick up a refurb one on Woot for half price once in a while.  If you have the skill and patience, it makes pretty nice coffee:

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2018-02-05 11:47:01 PM  

Its a Living: Point 4: So in addition to hacking your way to a better cup of coffee with that hand grinder or that AeroPress, try roasting the coffee beans yourself
You cite this quote from the article as if there's a problem with it. The author is encouraging you not to waste your money on coffee gadgets and is instead giving the power to the consumer to buy beans directly from coffee growers and not large-scale coffee companies who are notorious for not paying their farmers fairly.


No, the author is encouraging you to roast your own beans in addition to the coffee gadgets.
 
2018-02-05 11:49:37 PM  

Z-clipped: Also, if anyone is interested in making a decent array of espresso drinks at home, (and wants the opinion of a coffee professional)  I will recommend this machine.


Ah, a friend of mine just got one! It does indeed make a fine espresso.
 
2018-02-06 12:08:22 AM  

dv-ous: Ummm... that's why I roast my own, subby. Yes, it really does taste different. Roast a pound on Sunday, and it'll last me a bit over a week. And yes, by the time I get to the end of the pound, it tastes odd to me.

But I'm not going to rag on somebody for liking it the way they're used to, even if that might be "stale" to my taste buds. God knows I've got enough other stuff to worry about.

What do you use for roasting? I use one of those halogen convection ovens with a built in rotisserie.

There is no comparison between a fresh roast and the swill that comes in a can or bag. Smell fresh roast and it smells like coffee, albeit good coffee, if you smell commercial coffee right after all you can detect is notes of cigarette ash, suffering and a job poorly done.

I do try to introduce people to my coffee at work. I've actually got a cute CSB about that.
One day I am at work and I get a call, pretty normal but the person on the other end says "This is gonna be the weirdest call you get today. You work with my boyfriend and he raves about your coffee, he keeps wanting to start roasting, I want to get him the stuff required to start roasting for a Christmas present."
I E-mailed her the details on the types of beans I'd shared with her boyfriend, the roasting process and where to get beans cheap. The day after Boxing day he comes by the IT area and he says "You sneaky, sneaky man!" while beaming. His girlfriend had apparently judged him well and he was super excited to start roasting.
/CSB

So far he's the only self roasting convert, but when I make a pot of the fresh stuff there are a handful of people who will drop what they're doing and head to the break room to grab a cup, even if they aren't roasting their own... yet.
 
2018-02-06 12:49:55 AM  
Stale coffee? I always put the lid on my can of Chase & Sanborn
 
2018-02-06 01:02:20 AM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: If you are going to take a stimulant every day, at least take one with less peripheral side effects:
 [i.imgur.com image 288x216]
More mental clarity, less anxiety, lower blood pressure/heart rate = less chance of a heart attack.


Don't forget to say what it is Dexedrine.
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Agitation
delusions
seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not there
Incidence not known
Blurred vision
chest discomfort or pain
difficulty breathing
dizziness
faintness
false or unusual sense of well-being
fast, pounding, or irregular heartbeat or pulse
headache
pounding in the ears
shakiness in the legs, arms, hands, or feet
swelling of the feet or lower legs
trembling or shaking of the hands or feet
twitching, twisting, or uncontrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips, face, arms, or legs
unable to sleep
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unusual tiredness or weakness
Get emergency help immediately if any of the following symptoms of overdose occur while taking dextroamphetamine:
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dark-colored urine
diarrhea
discouragement
feeling sad or empty
fever
irritability
lack of appetite
loss of consciousness
loss of interest or pleasure
mood or mental changes
muscle cramps or spasms
muscle pain or stiffness
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trouble concentrating
violent actions
vomiting
 
2018-02-06 07:56:24 AM  
Pretty far down on the long list of shiat I've been doing wrong my whole life.
 
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