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(The Register)   Because flying long-haul is not luxurious enough, Airbus introduces its new A321, which will now carry you and 239 other passengers in single-aisle comfort across the pond   ( theregister.co.uk) divider line
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2018-02-05 03:16:59 PM  
If seats are cheap,
buyers will leap.
Snap up those seats.
Snooze and you weep.
 
2018-02-05 03:48:21 PM  
 
2018-02-05 03:49:30 PM  
Don't care about the plane. It will be all about how the airlines outfit them. So I'm sure it will be the very definition of misery.
 
2018-02-05 03:49:40 PM  
Sbarro's.
 
2018-02-05 03:53:37 PM  
If they would put you into a medically induced coma upon reaching cruise altitude, that could be reversed upon arrival, I bet people would do it. Until then, as long as I get my pdb and flight medication, I can go 13 hours in a crappy seat with 1 bathroom break if I have to.

And silently mock all the tourists bouncing up and down like caged rabbits.
 
2018-02-05 04:03:39 PM  

Generation_D: If they would put you into a medically induced coma upon reaching cruise altitude, that could be reversed upon arrival, I bet people would do it. Until then, as long as I get my pdb and flight medication, I can go 13 hours in a crappy seat with 1 bathroom break if I have to.

And silently mock all the tourists bouncing up and down like caged rabbits.


I like this. Pump me with propafol and leave me alone until we get there.
 
2018-02-05 04:29:33 PM  
Let me guess, United has already pre-ordered two dozen?
 
2018-02-05 04:45:57 PM  
No.
 
2018-02-05 04:56:35 PM  

Rapmaster2000: And it still makes that annoying noise on the ground.  http://www.aeronewstv.com/en/​lifestyle/how-it-works/3018-what-is-th​is-barking-noise-we-occasionally-hear-​on-certain-airbus-aircraft.html


That's the PTU. I used to tell my kids it was a dog.

And the A321 has been around for a long time, subby.
 
2018-02-05 05:03:57 PM  
Let me guess: they'll lower the price of base economy seating by 5%, but they'll still charge 50% more for their expanded economy plus section since any "extra" is a major profit source.

/airlines are about as bad as laptop manufacturers when it comes to raising prices for upgrades or services
 
2018-02-05 05:10:17 PM  

lostcat: Let me guess, United has already pre-ordered two dozen?


Delta has several A321 aircraft, though I don't think they're in use on international flights. Nice aircraft for domestic travel, IMHO.
 
2018-02-05 05:22:48 PM  
So a 757 or before that, a DC-8. Both had similar capacity in a single aisle design.
 
2018-02-05 05:28:16 PM  
Airplane manufacture develops long haul plane with the exact same configuration has many planes before it and people are freaking out?

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//looking forward to taking it
 
2018-02-05 05:32:35 PM  

Dinjiin: Let me guess: they'll lower the price of base economy seating by 5%, but they'll still charge 50% more for their expanded economy plus section since any "extra" is a major profit source.

/airlines are about as bad as laptop manufacturers when it comes to raising prices for upgrades or services


Being a giant, I think I'd rather hop across the pond than wedge myself into a seat.
 
2018-02-05 06:07:00 PM  
Farking airlines.  I have to fold myself three times and my Johnson twice to fit into any cattle car seat these days.
Della Reese sums up my opinion nicely.   Harlem Nights  nsf for language.
 
2018-02-05 06:14:23 PM  

Generation_D: If they would put you into a medically induced coma upon reaching cruise altitude, that could be reversed upon arrival, I bet people would do it. Until then, as long as I get my pdb and flight medication, I can go 13 hours in a crappy seat with 1 bathroom break if I have to.

And silently mock all the tourists bouncing up and down like caged rabbits.


Bah. I fly myself if it's anywhere from Alaska to the Bahamas / Mexico, or West to East coasts of North America, whenever I can do it safely. I will not fly anything less than business class, and it's in my contracts as such, when I have no choice but to fly commercial. Usually that's only when I have to fly over one of the big ponds, but sometimes time or seriously inclement weather fark me over. I refuse to sit in cattle class or cattle class "plus" because I'm expected to work on arrival, not spend half the day sore and partially awake.
 
2018-02-05 06:17:30 PM  

Dinjiin: Let me guess: they'll lower the price of base economy seating by 5%, but they'll still charge 50% more for their expanded economy plus section since any "extra" is a major profit source.

/airlines are about as bad as laptop manufacturers when it comes to raising prices for upgrades or services


In the real world, Economy Plus costs about what flying Economy used to in the 90's.  You want to pay those prices, you can have those seats.

The rest of us will chose to pay less.
 
2018-02-05 07:15:34 PM  

Gubbo: Don't care about the plane. It will be all about how the airlines outfit them. So I'm sure it will be the very definition of misery.


Fortunately, it is impossible to fit 7 seats across (due to FAA regulations)

/Technically you cannot be more than 2 seats from the aisle
//Trump will kill that Job Killing Regulation(TM)
///fark
 
2018-02-05 07:55:19 PM  

Name_Omitted: In the real world, Economy Plus costs about what flying Economy used to in the 90's. You want to pay those prices, you can have those seats.


I've read a couples articles that somewhat disagree with that statement.  When you compare fares with similar levels of service, amenities, and restrictions, the price has actually gone up at least 25% (when inflation adjusted).

Sure, I can forgo those extras.  But then you're no longer comparing apples to apples.
 
jvl [BareFark]
2018-02-05 07:55:58 PM  
So.. are they trying to kill the A380?
 
2018-02-05 08:07:21 PM  

Generation_D: If they would put you into a medically induced coma upon reaching cruise altitude, that could be reversed upon arrival, I bet people would do it. Until then, as long as I get my pdb and flight medication, I can go 13 hours in a crappy seat with 1 bathroom break if I have to.

And silently mock all the tourists bouncing up and down like caged rabbits.


Like the 5th Element?
 
2018-02-05 08:11:27 PM  

Charlie Freak: Rapmaster2000: And it still makes that annoying noise on the ground.  http://www.aeronewstv.com/en/​lifestyle/how-it-works/3018-what-is-th​is-barking-noise-we-occasionally-hear-​on-certain-airbus-aircraft.html

That's the PTU. I used to tell my kids it was a dog.

And the A321 has been around for a long time, subby.


It's the A321 NEO.
WOW Air is using them for flights all the way to the west coast.
Then again, WOW Air also offers round trip flights from the west coast to the Euro mainland for $298, so something's gotta give.

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2018-02-05 08:13:58 PM  

jvl: So.. are they trying to kill the A380?


I think the A380 dying is already in the works. Just not enough demand for massive planes anymore, the trend is towards smaller planes- easier to fill them to capacity on every run, and cheaper to operate. Same reason the passenger version of the 747 is just about dead.
 
2018-02-05 08:24:27 PM  

Charlie Freak: And the A321 has been around for a long time, subby.


Not one with transatlantic range.
 
2018-02-05 08:44:48 PM  

cptjeff: jvl: So.. are they trying to kill the A380?

I think the A380 dying is already in the works. Just not enough demand for massive planes anymore, the trend is towards smaller planes- easier to fill them to capacity on every run, and cheaper to operate. Same reason the passenger version of the 747 is just about dead.


The two giants were hub connectors before the twin engine aircraft became qualified for intercontinental service. Now they can skip overloaded hubs like New York and Heathrow, operating through more regional airports. The A380 is great at its trick: it can fly halfway around the world in one shot. I see Quantas, KAL, Emirates fly in and out of Dallas. Hub service, starting in the middle of the country rather than bottle necks on the coast.
 
2018-02-05 10:06:15 PM  

cptjeff: jvl: So.. are they trying to kill the A380?

I think the A380 dying is already in the works. Just not enough demand for massive planes anymore, the trend is towards smaller planes- easier to fill them to capacity on every run, and cheaper to operate. Same reason the passenger version of the 747 is just about dead.


They're both on life support.

UPS just placed an order for 14 new 747s, presumably to ship everyone's Amazon Prime crap:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl​e​s/2018-02-01/boeing-747-gets-new-life-​from-ups-with-order-for-14-jumbo-jets

A few weeks ago, Emirates placed an order for 20 A380s:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelg​o​ldstein/2018/01/18/emirates-airlines-o​rder-saves-airbus-a380-superjumbo-for-​now/#f406aff28075
 
2018-02-05 10:20:18 PM  
"Single aisle" doesn't mean anything until I know how many seats are going to be on either side of that aisle. If it's 13 seats each side, it's gonna be a different story than 3 on each side.
 
2018-02-05 10:52:52 PM  

jaytkay: Charlie Freak: And the A321 has been around for a long time, subby.

Not one with transatlantic range.


Well, kinda... its littlest brother the A318 operated New York-London (and London-Shannon-New York westbound), and according to Wiki the 321 actually had a slightly longer range.  So it could do it, just nobody did.
 
2018-02-06 03:42:46 AM  
So, uhh, what's the difference between flying long haul in a plane with a single aisle compared to a plane with multiple aisles?

As long as you get the same small seats and minimal legroom, I'd say fark all.

/didn't leave my cattle class seat a single time on my last 11 hour flight
 
2018-02-06 06:08:32 AM  
I flew with a Airbus A320 London to Austin a month ago on BA. Tiny ass plane for transatlantic flight, but it's going to to a relatively small airport (Austin).

The internet tells me the A321 is just a stretched version of the flight I took.

I donno, it was like most economy seating.
 
2018-02-06 08:32:10 AM  

Dinjiin: Name_Omitted: In the real world, Economy Plus costs about what flying Economy used to in the 90's. You want to pay those prices, you can have those seats.

I've read a couples articles that somewhat disagree with that statement.  When you compare fares with similar levels of service, amenities, and restrictions, the price has actually gone up at least 25% (when inflation adjusted).

Sure, I can forgo those extras.  But then you're no longer comparing apples to apples.


Are you looking at articles like this: https://www.bizjournals.com/biz​journal​s/blog/seat2B/2014/05/don-t-believe-th​e-airfare-spin-cost-to-travel-is.html

If so his analysis is garbage.
1. Picking a single day between two cities and specific airline is not an accurate measurement of ticket price. And the number he picked at 284 for a non basic economy E is much higher than I see basically any day for the next 6 months.
2. He insists on ordering in the least efficient way possible, adding extra bag fees, doing anything he possibly could have done in 1975 (but probably wouldn't have done) to show it costs more. He has someone paying a 200 dollar change fee on a 284 dollar fare... no one would do that they would just buy another ticket under 200 bucks. All of his scenarios have people taking 3 checked bags.
3. BTS methodology tracks what people pay not what they could pay, and it shows consistently lower fares. Fares + Fees had a slight bump recently but I suspect that will even out over time.

So if he wants to say "on the fringe some people could be slightly better off in the past" then ok whatever. In reality for the vast majority of people airfare is at an all time low. You can fly to Europe on mainline carriers for less than $500 round trip.
 
2018-02-06 10:23:30 AM  

Kurohone: jaytkay: Charlie Freak: And the A321 has been around for a long time, subby.

Not one with transatlantic range.

Well, kinda... its littlest brother the A318 operated New York-London (and London-Shannon-New York westbound), and according to Wiki the 321 actually had a slightly longer range.  So it could do it, just nobody did.


Very late on this. That is the BA all First Class flight. You stop in Shannon, US customs and immigration come to the plane for you, then when you land in New York its just as if you had come from Boston, you walk straight off the plane and out into the city.
 
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