If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Den Of Geek)   The Black Panther movie we almost got twenty years ago   ( denofgeek.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, black panther, Marvel Comics, Black Panther movie, Fantastic Four, Wesley Snipes, superhero movie, superhero movie disclaimer, Superhero  
•       •       •

2426 clicks; posted to Entertainment » on 04 Feb 2018 at 4:52 PM (23 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



34 Comments     (+0 »)
 
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2018-02-04 03:01:31 PM  
I like Black Vulcan.
 
2018-02-04 03:36:15 PM  

BalugaJoe: I like Black Vulcan.


Shouldn't a guy named Black Vulcan have magma-based powers or at least be wielding a blacksmith's hammer instead of having electrical powers?
 
2018-02-04 03:39:10 PM  

BalugaJoe: I like Black Vulcan.


He has a name and it's Tuvok 
upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size
 
2018-02-04 03:55:04 PM  
Cracked's article on Blade being the forerunner to Black Panther got one thing especially right, with the bonus shout-out to Ryan Renolds and a mild shot at Deadpool, and in the context of the article, it's a valid point.

The thing that Amon Ra was actually looking at securing the rights for Black Panther was to keep rolling out black superhero movies, before Wesley had his tax troubles, and considering that Blade was entirely unapologetic and damned if not only did it use Mobb Deep in the soundtrack, it also had perhaps the best use of Mos Def in a soundtrack too. It wasn't really "ahead of its time" it was just not appreciated as much, because it was a product of the times, and I rather liked the fact that our Dear Author makes the note that we've sort of backslid on relations in this country since then.

We've got Luke Cage now. And CW is running Black Lightning, which is likewise unapologetic in its tone, and they seem revolutionary, and I appreciate that they're not backing off their tone--which M.A.N.T.I.S. certainly did, and was out there in '94--but neither of those series would really have the traction without Blade proving that you could have action movies with a black protagonist who just handled his sh*t, and is a nice reminder that folks want to see a variety of faces in their heroes. While we're at it, I'm going to give a shout out Altered Carbon for putting Asian faces in Sci Fi without backing off the material, or making those faces single note portrayals or tokens. Or just single note villains.

We're in weird territory, and don't get me wrong, we NEED all these faces in our media, because it's long past time, and the Blade series only illustrates that we sort have backed off this for some time, and does so in a strong fashion.
 
2018-02-04 04:09:11 PM  
The first Blade was good (except for the vampire guy who could walk during the day because he wore suntan lotion. It's a comic book movie but it has to have internal logic). The second one was a CGI fest and the third one was just bad. Ryan Reynolds got a lot of comic book movie second chances.
 
2018-02-04 04:20:03 PM  

hubiestubert: M.A.N.T.I.S.


Holy carp, I remember watching that show. Though it seems like it was a LOT longer ago than 1994.
 
2018-02-04 04:20:15 PM  

Mad_Radhu: BalugaJoe: I like Black Vulcan.

Shouldn't a guy named Black Vulcan have magma-based powers or at least be wielding a blacksmith's hammer instead of having electrical powers?


He was supposed to be Black Lighting, but there was a legal dispute between DC and Back Lightnings creator.
 
2018-02-04 04:20:44 PM  
Snipes got as far as a meeting with Boyz n the Hood director John Singleton,

Other directors that were considered for the project included Mario Van Peebles and John Singleton


So did anybody consider John Singleton?
 
2018-02-04 05:02:55 PM  
img.fark.netView Full Size


Severely underrated superhero movie
 
2018-02-04 05:04:45 PM  
img.fark.netView Full Size


Be sure to check out its website, blackcougar.com
 
2018-02-04 05:17:36 PM  
Wesley Snipes wanted to make a Black Panther movie in the 1990s, and it almost happened.

Apparently, tax laws are way more lax in Wakanda.
 
2018-02-04 05:19:12 PM  
Tell it to Reb Brown's Captain America

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2018-02-04 05:39:02 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Tell it to Reb Brown's Captain America

[img.fark.net image 300x378]


Big McLargehuge!

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.comView Full Size
 
2018-02-04 06:02:19 PM  
Every time I see references to Black Panther...

img.fark.netView Full Size


Product of my times, I guess.
 
2018-02-04 06:08:56 PM  

Mugato: Crewmannumber6: Tell it to Reb Brown's Captain America

[img.fark.net image 300x378]

Big McLargehuge!

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 200x155]


Have you accepted Blast Hardcheese as your Lord and personal savior?
 
2018-02-04 06:14:58 PM  

Truck Fump: Every time I see references to Black Panther...

[img.fark.net image 330x238]

Product of my times, I guess.


Now that you made me think about it, I've realized that I tend to read the singular as the comic, and the plural as the organization - even if it doesn't quite make sense that's my first reaction.
 
2018-02-04 06:17:10 PM  

Travis_Bickle: Mugato: Crewmannumber6: Tell it to Reb Brown's Captain America

[img.fark.net image 300x378]

Big McLargehuge!

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 200x155]

Have you accepted Blast Hardcheese as your Lord and personal savior?


Not yet but turns out Santa's daughter gets naked in a few films and she has a great rack despite being a "sexy senior citizen".
 
2018-02-04 06:33:21 PM  

Flappyhead: [img.fark.net image 182x268]

Be sure to check out its website, blackcougar.com


i0.kym-cdn.comView Full Size
 
2018-02-04 06:51:13 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: [img.fark.net image 425x630]

Severely underrated superhero movie


just watched Hollywood shuffle, still holds up today
 
2018-02-04 07:04:40 PM  
The Ant Man we got almost 40 years ago
img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2018-02-04 07:42:44 PM  
Why hasn't Bill Cosby made this????

worldofblackheroes.comView Full Size


Oh... right... never mind.
 
2018-02-04 08:24:32 PM  
I can only imagine the mess that coke-addled 90's movie executives would make of such a movie.

"Hurr, hurr... Let's give him a gorilla sidekick.  People like monkeys, right?  And he's African?  It'll be great."
 
2018-02-04 08:29:00 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I can only imagine the mess that coke-addled 90's movie executives would make of such a movie.

"Hurr, hurr... Let's give him a gorilla sidekick.  People like monkeys, right?  And he's African?  It'll be great."


Movies in the 90s were better than movies are now. Actually everything but computer specs were better back then.
 
2018-02-04 08:39:05 PM  

OhioUGrad: The Ant Man we got almost 40 years ago
[img.fark.net image 550x396]


That was one of the best, more obscure Easter Eggs in any MCU movie.
 
2018-02-04 08:44:00 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I can only imagine the mess that coke-addled 90's movie executives would make of such a movie.

"Hurr, hurr... Let's give him a gorilla sidekick.  People like monkeys, right?  And he's African?  It'll be great."


Again though, it was, at the time, going to be an Amen Ra production, so the "exec" in question would have been Snipes. And he was all on board for a Songhai/Mali/Great Zimbabwe themed Wakanda, based on the ancient kingdoms and African empires. And, at the time, he had some cred to actually get movies made, and with some critical and financial success.

New Line was sort of grooving on his films, and while Blade Trinity was sort of a mess, but del Toro's Blade II made three times its budget. And despite the fact that Snipes and del Toro didn't really get along, it made them both a good chunk of change, and gave them deep cred in the film making community for being able to get sh*t done.

I think he might have made a decent film, that had a strong cast, with a strong Wakanda, but I don't know if the effects would have been able to stand up. But then again, for the time, Snipes was attracting attention and talent. But he had to get the rights, and develop the property, but again, he had a decent working relationship with Marvel at the time too given the popularity of the Blade franchise--though, a lot of folks tend to forget that Blade IS a Marvel character...
 
2018-02-04 09:59:26 PM  

hubiestubert: a black protagonist who just handled his sh*t, and is a nice reminder that folks want to see a variety of faces in their heroes. While we're at it, I'm going to give a shout out Altered Carbon for putting Asian faces in Sci Fi without backing off the material, or making those faces single note portrayals or tokens.

(While I am only up to meeting Carnage and haven't seen what else has been 'altered') not shying away from, and even altering the book to include a mixed family, is refreshing.
/I am thinking so far the changes are ok.

hubiestubert: a lot of folks tend to forget that Blade IS a Marvel character...

Remember the Bat movies of the 90's?  Tank Girl? We don't 'see' Blade as a 'Comic Book' character, because the 'Comic Book' movies of the 90's where campy, opting for 'humor'.
 
2018-02-04 10:22:29 PM  

Petey4335: the 'Comic Book' movies of the 90's where campy, opting for 'humor'.


And The Avengers is dead serious filmmaking,
 
2018-02-04 10:23:26 PM  

Petey4335: hubiestubert: a black protagonist who just handled his sh*t, and is a nice reminder that folks want to see a variety of faces in their heroes. While we're at it, I'm going to give a shout out Altered Carbon for putting Asian faces in Sci Fi without backing off the material, or making those faces single note portrayals or tokens.
(While I am only up to meeting Carnage and haven't seen what else has been 'altered') not shying away from, and even altering the book to include a mixed family, is refreshing.
/I am thinking so far the changes are ok.

hubiestubert: a lot of folks tend to forget that Blade IS a Marvel character...
Remember the Bat movies of the 90's?  Tank Girl? We don't 'see' Blade as a 'Comic Book' character, because the 'Comic Book' movies of the 90's where campy, opting for 'humor'.


In fairness, Tank Girl was a funny f*cking comic. And it WAS campy as Hells. I mean, did you look at the covers of Hewlett and Martin's work?

I mean, here she is with a man of wealth and taste, the Big Rod Prince of Darkness...

static.comicvine.comView Full Size


Though, while we're at it, take a look at Batman: The Animated Series, which had a tongue fairly in cheek at times, but miles more serious than the movies oddly based on the Tim Burton homage to the goofy TV series. Warner Brothers went for a semi-serious note with Gargoyles as well.

The 90s had comics that got dark as f*ck. From the Dark Horse stuff--yes, I'm looking all the Give Me Liberty books and their Aliens titles. Sin City. And Elektra Lives Again. The entire run The Sandman. The 90s were a damn fine age for comics. And the movies were trying to step it up, slowly, as Burton's influence waned.

Tim Burton's success was maybe the worst blow to getting decent film adaptations to comics, because Burton really didn't like comics as a medium, so his camp was drawn from TV shows, and still is really. He dislikes the medium, and thus, that sort of cemented a lot of execs' thinking. It took years to purge the idea from Hollywood that you couldn't do a serious adaptation, and then came along Snipes and New Line, and they did exactly that, with some humorous nods, but Blade was a Serious Motherf*cker. And the success there, paved the way for more faithful adaptations, so I'd like to thank Wesley and Amen Ra for helping get us out of that glut of dumb ass superhero movies.
 
2018-02-04 10:36:15 PM  

hubiestubert: Tim Burton's success was maybe the worst blow to getting decent film adaptations to comics, because Burton really didn't like comics as a medium, so his camp was drawn from TV shows


Tim Burton's movies were nothing like the 60s TV show. It just seems like it now because the movies are more "realistic". The Schumacher films, they went back to the camp of the TV show.

DC can't win with you people. It's either too campy or too dark and brooding like it is now. Well The Avengers is pretty campy itself.
 
2018-02-04 10:44:35 PM  
img.fark.netView Full Size

We got it 30 years ago...
 
2018-02-04 11:01:20 PM  

Mugato: hubiestubert: Tim Burton's success was maybe the worst blow to getting decent film adaptations to comics, because Burton really didn't like comics as a medium, so his camp was drawn from TV shows

Tim Burton's movies were nothing like the 60s TV show. It just seems like it now because the movies are more "realistic". The Schumacher films, they went back to the camp of the TV show.

DC can't win with you people. It's either too campy or too dark and brooding like it is now. Well The Avengers is pretty campy itself.


Burton has in multiple interviews stated that he based his film on his memories of the show, and that he hates the comic books in general. That he considered them beneath him, and trash.

DC does just fine with a lot of projects. Most everything that they've done associated with their Vertigo line has been stellar. And their TV animated shows have set the standard that most folks put on animated action series. Period. Comic related or not. They're just that good, and that's to the credit of Bruce Timm and his teams. But they've not been solid with getting their film universe under that same sort of discipline, in part, because they sold rights sort of willy-nilly for a while, and Marvel did as well, but then they got their ducks in a row, and DC has been playing catch up with their films.

The key is riding a fine line for tone. And to keep it dialed in. You know what you're getting, tone wise, with a Tremors movie. Or Fast and the Furious movie. Or a Chucky movie for that matter. DC has been kind of haphazard with their film franchises. The MCU has it dialed in pretty well now on what to expect, and with variations for the individual franchise, from Iron Man to Thor to Daredevil and back and around. And DC didn't really look hard at what made Nolan's Batman Begins work so well. They just decided Grim-Dark is what people want, and didn't look at what the individual franchises needed.

Look at the Arrowverse. Arrow has a particular tone. Supergirl has a whole different color palette even, as well as tonally different. The Flash has another. Black Lighting is setting itself up now, but it's different than the other shows in the related universe. And Legends of Tomorrow, entirely different as well. They're all related, and when they have mixed, it's been handled to take into account these differences. The folks who run the Arrowverse get that they can't do the same thing, the same jokes the same sorts of bits, the same stunt work, and the same sorts of stories, or even the same sort of camera work all the time between all the shows, because they're each their own thing. And I wish that the folks at DC would figure out what they want to do with their film franchises, so that they can set things better, to allow the franchises to be their own thing. Each and every one. Superman has ALWAYS had a different tone than Batman. Different palette and all. And if the CW can figure this out, from the get go, then Warner Brothers big film gurus should be able to do so as well. And they just seem to be tripping over themselves in sorting what should have been figured out from the first greenlight.
 
2018-02-04 11:20:33 PM  

Mugato: hubiestubert: Tim Burton's success was maybe the worst blow to getting decent film adaptations to comics, because Burton really didn't like comics as a medium, so his camp was drawn from TV shows

Tim Burton's movies were nothing like the 60s TV show. It just seems like it now because the movies are more "realistic". The Schumacher films, they went back to the camp of the TV show.

DC can't win with you people. It's either too campy or too dark and brooding like it is now. Well The Avengers is pretty campy itself.


There is a difference between being entertainingly campy and making Arnold force 27 ice puns into his dialog campy.  Don't make me even start on Bat Credit Cards.
 
2018-02-04 11:25:44 PM  
" the 1988 Punisher movie starring Dolph Lundgren went straight to video "

youchew.netView Full Size
 
2018-02-05 05:00:09 AM  

fusillade762: Snipes got as far as a meeting with Boyz n the Hood director John Singleton,

Other directors that were considered for the project included Mario Van Peebles and John Singleton

So did anybody consider John Singleton?


Wouldn't have worked. I'm 1996/1997, when Blade was being made, Wesley Snipes was a bonafide action star, with all the ego that implies. At that same time, John Singleton was seen as the heir apparent to Spike Lee, focusing on "important movies."

Snipes and Singleton would have been like oil and water.
 
Displayed 34 of 34 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking

On Twitter





Top Commented
Javascript is required to view headlines in widget.
  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report