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2018-02-04 08:00:14 AM  
Music execs: Don't care

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2018-02-04 08:40:37 AM  

HighlanderRPI: Music execs: Don't care


Prince doesn't care either.  He's dead.
 
2018-02-04 09:11:53 AM  
Somebody's in for the sexist haunting ever.
 
2018-02-04 09:27:21 AM  
First Timberlake ruined Janet Jackson's career by exposing her ta-tas to the crowd at the Super Bowl, now he disturbs the man's eternal rest? The executives will do anything for cash: money, money and more money! The internet can yell out our objections, but who will listen when cash is to be made?

Maybe he's just like his father, too bold. Maybe the they are like their mother, never satisfied?
Why do we shout at each other? This is what it sounds like, when doves cry!
 
2018-02-04 09:37:05 AM  

aimtastic: Somebody's in for the sexist haunting ever.


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/sorry, it's not a Godwin, it's a spelling nazi joke. No offense aimtastic. I have an evolutionary weakness for low hanging fruit
//there's still time to cancel the hologram and turn that into a PR move highlighting respect and make that a tribute
///I actually wrote that with a straight face. I'm dumb.
 
2018-02-04 09:43:49 AM  
Prince was a Jehovah's Witness.

So's my mother-in-law. She actually believes that demons can enter your house if you watch a horror movie on TV.
 
2018-02-04 10:38:00 AM  

slackananda: aimtastic: Somebody's in for the sexist haunting ever.

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2018-02-04 10:38:05 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: Prince was a Jehovah's Witness.

So's my mother-in-law. She actually believes that demons can enter your house if you watch a horror movie on TV.


Not at all CSB:  I have a seizure disorder, and had seizures at work a few years ago.  My Jehovah's Witness classroom assistant was sure that I was possessed by a demon and began to spread rumors to her JW community.  This spread around the small town I was living and teaching in--that I was possessed by demons or was just plain insane.  Hilarity did not ensue.  The upshot is that I moved to a fairly large city and escaped the stigma.  farking ridiculous people.
 
2018-02-04 10:38:34 AM  
Demon vs Heartbreaker - You Are My High (Original Version)
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2018-02-04 10:38:49 AM  
I love Prince, but if he truly cared about this, he would have left a will preventing such acts.
 
2018-02-04 10:43:52 AM  
He also said to destroy the contents of his vault when he died, and not to release it for public consumption, but they're ignoring that, too.

And honestly, as a Prince fan since he first started, I'm coming to terms with this. All of these declarations and choices were made after his religious conversion to Jehovah's Witness. Pre-Witness Prince was a different guy who was decidedly more open-minded and less religiously nuts. I've been to his shows. The difference between the two Princes was not just noticeable; It was almost distracting. Pre-Witness Prince would sing about sex, partying, sex, and living life to its fullest while you're here on Earth. Post-Witness Prince wouldn't sing any of those songs, would spend up to 10 minutes on stage preaching between some songs, and was leaning heavily on gospel and religious tunes. There's no doubt the religious conversion changed him from the artist I first became interested in into a guy who was wrapped up in his new religion.

And as someone who lost a best friend to the damned Jehovah's Witnesses, and with all due respect to Sheila E. whom I admire greatly, I can say I am fine with Prince's older vault music being released and a Prince hologram performing, because it's at least a chance for me to (selfishly, admittedly) hear the Prince I adored perform and create. These songs are ghosts from his past, his pre-conversion days, and I'm totally fine with that because THAT was the Prince who earned my respect and admiration. The other guy was a shadow of the artist he used to be because he was so immersed in his often-irrational religious ideas.

And if that's an unpopular opinion, so be it. Yes, part of me hopes they'd honor his wishes, but the Prince fan in me says bring on more music... Because it's ALL about the music.
 
2018-02-04 10:45:40 AM  
LTJ Bukem - Demon's Theme (Original 12' Mix)
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2018-02-04 10:49:28 AM  

digistil: I love Prince, but if he truly cared about this, he would have left a will preventing such acts.


In his defense, he DID mention a will twice in interviews (both of which have disappeared) and made it pretty clear that he wanted the contents of the vault destroyed upon his death.

I'm fairly certain there was someone in Prince's legal team who not only encouraged and facilitated his prescription drug over-use, but who brought Tyka (half-sister) in and worked out a deal to make the will disappear and hand over control to various people, all of whom would profit wildly by releasing his decades' worth of music posthumously. It's curious that he died on the very day he was to have met with the guy who was going to help him kick the pain killer habit, and was in fact discovered by that guy. It's curious that he "didn't have a will" when he mentioned it in the past. It's curious that Tyka came out of the woodwork on the day he died, after being estranged for decades, and allowed the opening of his vault the very next day.

So while, as I said above, I am still interested in his vault music and anything else they can offer us, I am under no illusion that all of this happened because he was sloppy. He wasn't sloppy. He was trusting.
 
2018-02-04 10:49:55 AM  

WilderKWight: He also said to destroy the contents of his vault when he died, and not to release it for public consumption, but they're ignoring that, too.

And honestly, as a Prince fan since he first started, I'm coming to terms with this. All of these declarations and choices were made after his religious conversion to Jehovah's Witness. Pre-Witness Prince was a different guy who was decidedly more open-minded and less religiously nuts. I've been to his shows. The difference between the two Princes was not just noticeable; It was almost distracting. Pre-Witness Prince would sing about sex, partying, sex, and living life to its fullest while you're here on Earth. Post-Witness Prince wouldn't sing any of those songs, would spend up to 10 minutes on stage preaching between some songs, and was leaning heavily on gospel and religious tunes. There's no doubt the religious conversion changed him from the artist I first became interested in into a guy who was wrapped up in his new religion.

And as someone who lost a best friend to the damned Jehovah's Witnesses, and with all due respect to Sheila E. whom I admire greatly, I can say I am fine with Prince's older vault music being released and a Prince hologram performing, because it's at least a chance for me to (selfishly, admittedly) hear the Prince I adored perform and create. These songs are ghosts from his past, his pre-conversion days, and I'm totally fine with that because THAT was the Prince who earned my respect and admiration. The other guy was a shadow of the artist he used to be because he was so immersed in his often-irrational religious ideas.

And if that's an unpopular opinion, so be it. Yes, part of me hopes they'd honor his wishes, but the Prince fan in me says bring on more music... Because it's ALL about the music.


This.
 
2018-02-04 10:54:54 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: Prince was a Jehovah's Witness.

So's my mother-in-law. She actually believes that demons can enter your house if you watch a horror movie on TV.


They also will tell you not to buy things at garage sales because they might be full of demons.
 
2018-02-04 10:59:49 AM  

Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: Pazuzu Smith-Jones: Prince was a Jehovah's Witness.

So's my mother-in-law. She actually believes that demons can enter your house if you watch a horror movie on TV.

They also will tell you not to buy things at garage sales because they might be full of demons.


My best friend who ditched me because he was converted to JW gave me all his rock albums and tapes, all his fantasy novels, and his entire D&D book collection (hundreds of dollars' worth at the time) because his aunt and his Kingdom Hall had convinced him that all of those things were demonic. He was going to burn them, but when I made it clear I wasn't converting with him I guess he had a moment of still being the friend I remembered and let me take them instead.

The Jehovah's Witnesses don't just convert people. They murder the people they used to be, and replace them with a new person. They're like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" evil in my book.
 
2018-02-04 11:02:58 AM  
WilderKWight:

The Jehovah's Witnesses don't just convert people. They murder the people they used to be, and replace them with a new person. They're like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" evil in my book.

If you spend a little time reading the stories of ex-JW's, which there are plenty of online, you start to see how truly awful a life it is for a lot of people.  A lot of abuse covered up by the church heirarchy, a lot of shunning, just a pretty sick system at its core.
 
2018-02-04 11:04:11 AM  

WilderKWight: And honestly, as a Prince fan since he first started, I'm coming to terms with this. All of these declarations and choices were made after his religious conversion to Jehovah's Witness. Pre-Witness Prince was a different guy who was decidedly more open-minded and less religiously nuts. I've been to his shows. The difference between the two Princes was not just noticeable; It was almost distracting. Pre-Witness Prince would sing about sex, partying, sex, and living life to its fullest while you're here on Earth. Post-Witness Prince wouldn't sing any of those songs, would spend up to 10 minutes on stage preaching between some songs, and was leaning heavily on gospel and religious tunes. There's no doubt the religious conversion changed him from the artist I first became interested in into a guy who was wrapped up in his new religion.


Pretty sure that was Christopher
 
2018-02-04 11:11:31 AM  
WilderKWight:

My best friend who ditched me because he was converted to JW

My roommate in college was a "backslid" JW.  Last I heard, he did prison time for selling meth.  I always felt like he'd been sheltered as a kid and went wild the minute he was out from under his family and the JW community.
 
2018-02-04 12:29:43 PM  

Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: Pazuzu Smith-Jones: Prince was a Jehovah's Witness.

So's my mother-in-law. She actually believes that demons can enter your house if you watch a horror movie on TV.

They also will tell you not to buy things at garage sales because they might be full of demons.


They still haven't let me live down the toaster incident.  :(
 
2018-02-04 12:32:42 PM  
prince: " i wrote this song a long time ago, in 1999."
 
2018-02-04 01:32:19 PM  

LewDux: [YouTube video: LTJ Bukem - Demon's Theme (Original 12' Mix)]


I was listening to that on my ride home a couple of days ago.
 
2018-02-04 01:47:20 PM  

Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: This spread around the small town I was living and teaching in--that I was possessed by demons or was just plain insane.


Holy crap. What century is it?
 
2018-02-04 01:58:08 PM  

jaytkay: Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: This spread around the small town I was living and teaching in--that I was possessed by demons or was just plain insane.

Holy crap. What century is it?


I just feel fortunate they didn't show up at my house with pitchforks and torches.
 
2018-02-04 01:58:53 PM  
SE posted last night though that she talked to Justin and it is cancelled.
 
2018-02-04 02:00:57 PM  

Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: WilderKWight:

The Jehovah's Witnesses don't just convert people. They murder the people they used to be, and replace them with a new person. They're like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" evil in my book.

If you spend a little time reading the stories of ex-JW's, which there are plenty of online, you start to see how truly awful a life it is for a lot of people.  A lot of abuse covered up by the church heirarchy, a lot of shunning, just a pretty sick system at its core.


I've had 2 friends over the years that are ex-JW's, one acquaintance that is an ex-JW. . .and a JW family that lived a couple of doors down on the street I grew up.

One thing it's made very clear is that it's a miserable life and basically involves destroying all fun in your life, living a life of fear and self-loathing, and making JW's your entire life or else.

Best I can tell, the main reason (practically speaking) JW's are so fervent about conversion is that they have so many people who leave (or get kicked out) that if they didn't constantly replenish through aggressive proselytizing, they'd die out within a few decades.
 
2018-02-04 02:27:42 PM  

iron de havilland: WilderKWight: And honestly, as a Prince fan since he first started, I'm coming to terms with this. All of these declarations and choices were made after his religious conversion to Jehovah's Witness. Pre-Witness Prince was a different guy who was decidedly more open-minded and less religiously nuts. I've been to his shows. The difference between the two Princes was not just noticeable; It was almost distracting. Pre-Witness Prince would sing about sex, partying, sex, and living life to its fullest while you're here on Earth. Post-Witness Prince wouldn't sing any of those songs, would spend up to 10 minutes on stage preaching between some songs, and was leaning heavily on gospel and religious tunes. There's no doubt the religious conversion changed him from the artist I first became interested in into a guy who was wrapped up in his new religion.

Pretty sure that was Christopher


Part of me is so sad that I had to retire the "Prince is dead" essay when he really died.

/yes, that was me.
 
2018-02-04 02:31:48 PM  

Silverstaff: One thing it's made very clear is that it's a miserable life and basically involves destroying all fun in your life, living a life of fear and self-loathing, and making JW's your entire life or else.


It was painful as hell watching a guy I considered like my brother being turned against me and everyone else, no matter what I did. I tried to talk it all through with him, but it was like talking to a different person who was absolutely terrified of intangible enemies hiding everywhere. Everything became a trick of demons. Everything became taboo to him. He was so full of life and joy when we were friends. He was the funniest guy I knew, and I can say I loved him in that brotherly way. Then he was just gone, replaced by a frightened person who looked like him and had his voice, but didn't speak in his words.

I will forever hate his aunt for converting him. Damn her for killing a good person and replacing him with a fearful drone.
 
2018-02-04 05:28:34 PM  

WilderKWight: Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: Pazuzu Smith-Jones: Prince was a Jehovah's Witness.

So's my mother-in-law. She actually believes that demons can enter your house if you watch a horror movie on TV.

They also will tell you not to buy things at garage sales because they might be full of demons.

My best friend who ditched me because he was converted to JW gave me all his rock albums and tapes, all his fantasy novels, and his entire D&D book collection (hundreds of dollars' worth at the time) because his aunt and his Kingdom Hall had convinced him that all of those things were demonic. He was going to burn them, but when I made it clear I wasn't converting with him I guess he had a moment of still being the friend I remembered and let me take them instead.

The Jehovah's Witnesses don't just convert people. They murder the people they used to be, and replace them with a new person. They're like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" evil in my book.


Speaking of murder...

There was an incident here locally where two motorists argued over a dinged card door in a parking lot. It escalated and driver 1 grabbed a tire iron and driver 2 pulled a gun. Driver 1 and his wife are JW and refused transfusions. He dies and she eventually recovers. There was initial confusion about whether driver 2 could be charged with murder because, aside from potential self-defense argument, the victim contributed to his own death by refusing basic life care. It eventually went to a grand jury and charges were dismissed against the guy.

http://watchtower-observer.org/medici​n​e/blood-transfusions/man-shot-outside-​blockbuster-refused-transfusion/
 
2018-02-04 05:38:04 PM  

WilderKWight: iron de havilland: WilderKWight: And honestly, as a Prince fan since he first started, I'm coming to terms with this. All of these declarations and choices were made after his religious conversion to Jehovah's Witness. Pre-Witness Prince was a different guy who was decidedly more open-minded and less religiously nuts. I've been to his shows. The difference between the two Princes was not just noticeable; It was almost distracting. Pre-Witness Prince would sing about sex, partying, sex, and living life to its fullest while you're here on Earth. Post-Witness Prince wouldn't sing any of those songs, would spend up to 10 minutes on stage preaching between some songs, and was leaning heavily on gospel and religious tunes. There's no doubt the religious conversion changed him from the artist I first became interested in into a guy who was wrapped up in his new religion.

Pretty sure that was Christopher

Part of me is so sad that I had to retire the "Prince is dead" essay when he really died.

/yes, that was me.


I think we've had this conversation on Fark before. That was an awesome piece of work ;D
 
2018-02-04 06:52:17 PM  

iron de havilland: WilderKWight: And honestly, as a Prince fan since he first started, I'm coming to terms with this. All of these declarations and choices were made after his religious conversion to Jehovah's Witness. Pre-Witness Prince was a different guy who was decidedly more open-minded and less religiously nuts. I've been to his shows. The difference between the two Princes was not just noticeable; It was almost distracting. Pre-Witness Prince would sing about sex, partying, sex, and living life to its fullest while you're here on Earth. Post-Witness Prince wouldn't sing any of those songs, would spend up to 10 minutes on stage preaching between some songs, and was leaning heavily on gospel and religious tunes. There's no doubt the religious conversion changed him from the artist I first became interested in into a guy who was wrapped up in his new religion.

Pretty sure that was Christopher


No it's Becky.
 
2018-02-04 07:39:58 PM  

beakerxf: There was an incident here locally where two motorists argued over a dinged card door in a parking lot. It escalated and driver 1 grabbed a tire iron and driver 2 pulled a gun. Driver 1 and his wife are JW and refused transfusions. He dies and she eventually recovers. There was initial confusion about whether driver 2 could be charged with murder because, aside from potential self-defense argument, the victim contributed to his own death by refusing basic life care. It eventually went to a grand jury and charges were dismissed against the guy.


That is messed up. Can't say I feel too bad for Driver 1, fighting strangers over minor things is idiocy. His poor wife though. She got shot because the other two couldn't control themselves.
 
2018-02-04 11:27:08 PM  

iron de havilland: I think we've had this conversation on Fark before. That was an awesome piece of work ;D


Thanks. The Britney one never made anywhere near the same splash, unfortunately. I'm poised to write another someday about some young celebrity that stands a chance of living a long life.
 
2018-02-04 11:54:58 PM  
JW weirdness aside, how is a hologram any different from a video recording? Did Prince have an issue with being video recorded, and having it air later?
 
2018-02-05 12:44:17 AM  

mikebdoss: JW weirdness aside, how is a hologram any different from a video recording? Did Prince have an issue with being video recorded, and having it air later?


It's you in the video recording.  You are controlling your own body.

It's not you in a hologram.  It bears your form but not your spirit.
 
2018-02-05 11:35:26 AM  
That wasn't a virtual image.  More like a video recording shown on fabric.
 
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