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(Daily Mail)   Honda introduces new Civic that gets 80.7mpg. Fark: It's a diesel   ( dailymail.co.uk) divider line
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2018-02-02 09:19:12 PM  
Let me know when it is for sale in the US.
 
2018-02-02 09:30:54 PM  

feckingmorons: Let me know when it is for sale in the US.


Me too. I'll buy one eventhough the wife says I cant.
 
2018-02-02 09:32:30 PM  
thats not US gallons.
 
2018-02-02 09:35:15 PM  
nothing wrong with diesel, if you want good mileage.
 
2018-02-02 09:40:12 PM  

Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.


What is it then, apothecary gallons?
 
2018-02-02 09:44:39 PM  

cretinbob: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

What is it then, apothecary gallons?


Imperial gallons.

It is 67.19680669760 mpg using US gallons. Imperial gallons are about 1.2 US gallons.
 
2018-02-02 09:57:18 PM  

Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.


Or likely to be available in the US any time soon.
 
2018-02-02 10:02:06 PM  

dionysusaur: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

Or likely to be available in the US any time soon.


You meant unlikely didn't you?
 
2018-02-02 10:02:59 PM  

WTFDYW: dionysusaur: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

Or likely to be available in the US any time soon.

You meant unlikely didn't you?


Scratch that.
 
2018-02-02 10:13:05 PM  

feckingmorons: cretinbob: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

What is it then, apothecary gallons?

Imperial gallons.

It is 67.19680669760 mpg using US gallons. Imperial gallons are about 1.2 US gallons.


The Euro fuel economy tests are also different from the US EPA tests, and typically the Euro tests will show greater fuel economy for the same vehicle than the US EPA tests.
 
2018-02-02 10:18:57 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: cretinbob: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

What is it then, apothecary gallons?

Imperial gallons.

It is 67.19680669760 mpg using US gallons. Imperial gallons are about 1.2 US gallons.

The Euro fuel economy tests are also different from the US EPA tests, and typically the Euro tests will show greater fuel economy for the same vehicle than the US EPA tests.


Some Americans tested it over there and got 62mpg

Though they also note a couple other reasons it probably wouldn't fly in the US.

The first, for this model at least, is that the Euro 5 emissions-rated engine doesn't have urea injection, and would therefore be unlikely to meet tough U.S. emissions regulations for diesel vehicles.

The second is that with a body style designed exclusively for Europe, this particular car probably wouldn't meet U.S. crash safety regulations either.
 
2018-02-02 10:25:57 PM  
Still damn good milage if you can get it. Had an old diesel Rabbit (1980) and that got damn near 50.
 
2018-02-02 10:26:39 PM  
and diesel can be converted over to non-fossil fuels
 
2018-02-02 10:29:22 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: cretinbob: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

What is it then, apothecary gallons?

Imperial gallons.

It is 67.19680669760 mpg using US gallons. Imperial gallons are about 1.2 US gallons.

The Euro fuel economy tests are also different from the US EPA tests, and typically the Euro tests will show greater fuel economy for the same vehicle than the US EPA tests.


farking Brexit.
 
2018-02-02 10:32:35 PM  
ANd if you're really interested, that 1,350,720 rods per hogshead
 
2018-02-02 11:53:34 PM  

cretinbob: Still damn good milage if you can get it. Had an old diesel Rabbit (1980) and that got damn near 50.


But had a 0-60 measured with a calendar.
 
2018-02-03 12:39:42 AM  

feckingmorons: cretinbob: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

What is it then, apothecary gallons?

Imperial gallons.

It is 67.19680669760 mpg using US gallons. Imperial gallons are about 1.2 US gallons.


look at the big brain on feckingmorons!
 
2018-02-03 12:46:17 AM  
why is a car, built and sold (presumably) in the UK, having its fuel economy being discussed on a UK website in mpg?  I call shenanigans
 
2018-02-03 12:59:38 AM  

Vaginosilicosis: redly1: why is a car, built and sold (presumably) in the UK, having its fuel economy being discussed on a UK website in mpg?  I call shenanigans

And yet its what the British do, they buy their petrol in litres and measure economy in MPG using imperial gallons.


sounds ridiculous
 
2018-02-03 01:05:30 AM  
Meanwhile my Volt doesn't need gas at all to do my day-to-day driving.
 
2018-02-03 01:20:09 AM  
Sidebar on same page:

"Diesel cars are more than three times as likely to break down than petrol - and they're 20% more expensive to fix"
 
2018-02-03 01:24:28 AM  
Sweet.  Rollin' coal while I Tokyo drift.
 
2018-02-03 01:26:37 AM  

feckingmorons: cretinbob: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

What is it then, apothecary gallons?

Imperial gallons.

It is 67.19680669760 mpg using US gallons. Imperial gallons are about 1.2 US gallons.


It's also $28,500 USD.

By comparison, the Prius starts at $23,475 and gets 54/50 MPG. Heck, even the plug-in Prius costs slightly less and it can travel 25 miles on electric.
 
2018-02-03 02:17:11 AM  
Say you drive 20000mi/year which is a lot for someone who would not be writing off their gas bill.
A Prius gets 50mpg. Thats 400gal or about $1200.
This car gets 75mpg. Well, that's $800. You saved $400.

Is that really going to be noticed? You saved a buck a day.
 
2018-02-03 03:07:00 AM  

feckingmorons: cretinbob: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

What is it then, apothecary gallons?

Imperial gallons.

It is 67.19680669760 mpg using US gallons. Imperial gallons are about 1.2 US gallons.


Backwardsmm 80.7 imperial gal = 96.9 us gal
Link
 
2018-02-03 03:56:31 AM  

feckingmorons: cretinbob: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

What is it then, apothecary gallons?

Imperial gallons.

It is 67.19680669760 mpg using US gallons. Imperial gallons are about 1.2 US gallons.


I've been assured by many UK twits on Fark that they are superior because they use the metric system.
 
2018-02-03 03:58:46 AM  

el_pilgrim: feckingmorons: cretinbob: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

What is it then, apothecary gallons?

Imperial gallons.

It is 67.19680669760 mpg using US gallons. Imperial gallons are about 1.2 US gallons.

Backwardsmm 80.7 imperial gal = 96.9 us gal
Link


You seem to be confused. Gallons are not the same thing as miles-per-gallon.
 
2018-02-03 04:02:01 AM  

WTFDYW: feckingmorons: Let me know when it is for sale in the US.

Me too. I'll buy one eventhough the wife says I cant.


I was thinking the SAME thing while I was reading the article!
 
2018-02-03 04:06:04 AM  

covfefe: Say you drive 20000mi/year which is a lot for someone who would not be writing off their gas bill.
A Prius gets 50mpg. Thats 400gal or about $1200.
This car gets 75mpg. Well, that's $800. You saved $400.

Is that really going to be noticed? You saved a buck a day.


Also, you're overestimating the Honda's mileage. As someone else posted, it got 62 mpg on the highway using 'Murican gallons, and when you drive it in the city too, it's going to be even lower, whereas the Prius excels in the city. So I wouldn't anticipate that it does better than the Prius at all.

...and I just looked at the article again, and they relied on the trip computer for the mileage figure, not on the amount of gas actually pumped to refill vs miles driven, so that's another reason to expect real world mpg to be worse.
 
2018-02-03 04:08:17 AM  

covfefe: Say you drive 20000mi/year which is a lot for someone who would not be writing off their gas bill.
A Prius gets 50mpg. Thats 400gal or about $1200.
This car gets 75mpg. Well, that's $800. You saved $400.

Is that really going to be noticed? You saved a buck a day.


But... you'd be buying a Prius...
 
2018-02-03 04:32:10 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: cretinbob: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

What is it then, apothecary gallons?

Imperial gallons.

It is 67.19680669760 mpg using US gallons. Imperial gallons are about 1.2 US gallons.

The Euro fuel economy tests are also different from the US EPA tests, and typically the Euro tests will show greater fuel economy for the same vehicle than the US EPA tests.

Yup. People need to realize that both the measurement of gallons is different than the US, but so is the testing procedure. According the the Euro testing standards, a Toyota Yaris hybrid gets an average of 90mpg. Let that sink in for a bit.

http://www.nextgreencar.com/view-car/​6​4181/toyota-yaris-1.5-vvt-i-active-hyb​rid-auto-petrol-hybrid-automatic/
 
2018-02-03 04:36:06 AM  
The hybrid Toyota RAV4 under the Euro standards? 55.4 mpg.
http://www.nextgreencar.com/review/80​9​5/toyota-rav4-hybrid-review/

Same car in the US testing standard? 32 mpg.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.​d​o?action=sbs&id=39373
 
2018-02-03 04:44:29 AM  

wolfemane: covfefe: Say you drive 20000mi/year which is a lot for someone who would not be writing off their gas bill.
A Prius gets 50mpg. Thats 400gal or about $1200.
This car gets 75mpg. Well, that's $800. You saved $400.

Is that really going to be noticed? You saved a buck a day.

But... you'd be buying a Prius...


I like the Prius, even though I've never quite gotten around to owning one. I rented a Prius C and really liked the way it cornered, with the battery weight making it feel like it would be impossible to flip. And if I'm not going to drive a manual transmission, the Prius has my favorite type of automatic/CVT.

I own a Honda, but both this one and my last one pissed me off because the windshield wipers are noisy and sometimes skip around. Honda is not only building imperfect cars, but they are doing the same things wrong across the lineup of different models. Generally I don't find Toyotas as visually appealing, but I find the solidity of the engineering shines through. And it seems like different teams work on different cars, so they have different strengths and weaknesses, which IMO is good. I also feel like Toyota is more likely to design a small car for a tall person than Honda these days.
 
2018-02-03 06:27:22 AM  
You can get a Chevy Cruze diesel now


Who else is selling diesel in the US after what Volkswagen did?
 
2018-02-03 07:12:12 AM  

dionysusaur: cretinbob: Still damn good milage if you can get it. Had an old diesel Rabbit (1980) and that got damn near 50.

But had a 0-60 measured with a calendar.


Yep.  What'd they have, 50hp?  And lots of safety features, like seat belts.  Well, only seat belts.
 
2018-02-03 07:53:22 AM  

itcamefromschenectady: I also feel like Toyota is more likely to design a small car for a tall person than Honda these days.


I found the opposite when I bought my 2010 Accord. The seats were much better accommodating tall folks. The Camry of the same year had very short seat bottoms, barely extended past your ass and didn't tilt back enough. Things may be different in Civics and the like, but I don't fit those as well.

/ my wife's Odyssey also has a shorter seat bottom though
// I think it's probably because they're typically driven by women
 
2018-02-03 08:10:58 AM  

loonatic112358: You can get a Chevy Cruze diesel now


Who else is selling diesel in the US after what Volkswagen did?


That's a good question. BMW and Audi still technically sell diesels, but I'm not sure if you can buy a new one that way. I had to go back to 2014 to get my 328d.
 
2018-02-03 08:13:26 AM  
 
2018-02-03 08:19:25 AM  

WhackingDay: Yeah, there's not many.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1​112988_for-2018-only-12-diesel-vehicle​s-offered-in-u-s-guess-who-has-most


And GM Doesn't advertise them at all,
 
2018-02-03 08:35:39 AM  

darthstormer: Sweet.  Rollin' coal while I Tokyo drift.


Joke's on you...you're actually rolling mostly corn these days...
 
2018-02-03 08:59:44 AM  

Vaginosilicosis: redly1: why is a car, built and sold (presumably) in the UK, having its fuel economy being discussed on a UK website in mpg?  I call shenanigans

And yet its what the British do, they buy their petrol in litres and measure economy in MPG using imperial gallons.


Unlike the Canajuns  whose principle measurement is liters/100 km
 
2018-02-03 09:00:38 AM  

fusillade762: The first, for this model at least, is that the Euro 5 emissions-rated engine doesn't have urea injection, and would therefore be unlikely to meet tough U.S. emissions regulations for diesel vehicles.

The second is that with a body style designed exclusively for Europe, this particular car probably wouldn't meet U.S. crash safety regulations either.


If the US wanted good trade deals with Europe, we'd offer reciprocity for crash and emissions tests. I'd love to see Euro cars sold in the USA without having to be redesigned to pass some marginally different crash and emissions tests.
 
2018-02-03 09:02:06 AM  

loonatic112358: You can get a Chevy Cruze diesel now


Who else is selling diesel in the US after what Volkswagen did?


BMW has a few d models.
 
2018-02-03 10:39:56 AM  

fusillade762: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: cretinbob: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

What is it then, apothecary gallons?

Imperial gallons.

It is 67.19680669760 mpg using US gallons. Imperial gallons are about 1.2 US gallons.

The Euro fuel economy tests are also different from the US EPA tests, and typically the Euro tests will show greater fuel economy for the same vehicle than the US EPA tests.

Some Americans tested it over there and got 62mpg

Though they also note a couple other reasons it probably wouldn't fly in the US.

The first, for this model at least, is that the Euro 5 emissions-rated engine doesn't have urea injection, and would therefore be unlikely to meet tough U.S. emissions regulations for diesel vehicles.

The second is that with a body style designed exclusively for Europe, this particular car probably wouldn't meet U.S. crash safety regulations either.


Same reason I won't ever get the AWD Golf that is the same thing basically. and no way I am paying 40k for an R32.

At that point i'd rather pay 60k and get a porsche
 
2018-02-03 10:44:58 AM  
I like the new Civic hatchbacks.

Currently driving a 2007 pilot that's getting long in the tooth, and shiat milage. I don't really need an SUV; I think the hatchback will address any SUV type needs. And oh, darn-it, I won't be able to play school bus at family functions and kid's sporting events.
 
2018-02-03 10:45:22 AM  
Did they brexit themselves out of the lower nox and pm2.5 standards?
 
2018-02-03 10:57:32 AM  
Shoot, I had a '89 Honda Civic Wagon that averaged 46 mpg over the 204,000 miles I drove it. Got close to 60 at a steady 55.
 
2018-02-03 10:58:01 AM  

itcamefromschenectady: el_pilgrim: feckingmorons: cretinbob: Devolving_Spud: thats not US gallons.

What is it then, apothecary gallons?

Imperial gallons.

It is 67.19680669760 mpg using US gallons. Imperial gallons are about 1.2 US gallons.

Backwardsmm 80.7 imperial gal = 96.9 us gal
Link

You seem to be confused. Gallons are not the same thing as miles-per-gallon.


Oh man, do i feel stupid. Lol
Sorry, carry on.
 
2018-02-03 11:49:57 AM  

covfefe: Say you drive 20000mi/year which is a lot for someone who would not be writing off their gas bill.
A Prius gets 50mpg. Thats 400gal or about $1200.
This car gets 75mpg. Well, that's $800. You saved $400.

Is that really going to be noticed? You saved a buck a day.


It's worse than that. Diesel carries a roughly twenty percent premium over unleaded, so your $800 fuel tab for diesel would be more like $960. That combined with the likely lower real-world mileage cuts your savings to miniscule at best.
 
2018-02-03 12:18:13 PM  

feckingmorons: Let me know when it is for sale in the US.


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