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(BBC-US)   Cops unhappy that union is offering fewer "Get Out Of Jail Free" cards to friends and family. In other news, those are really a thing and you can "buy" them by "donating" to the police union   ( bbc.com) divider line
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2018-01-22 06:31:42 PM  
Well, if you were in law enforcement, of course your family deserves "professional courtesy."
For mere civilians and proletarians, their mileage may vary.
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2018-01-22 06:36:26 PM  
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2018-01-22 07:22:14 PM  
Former NYPD detective Angel Maysonet told BBC News that card holders do not get any special favours but they can help defuse a tense situation

So if you have one they won't shoot you?

That sounds like a pretty god dammed valuable thing to have.  Where do I get one?
 
2018-01-22 09:25:56 PM  
But I thought policemen didn't have balls.
 
2018-01-22 09:26:59 PM  
Those PBA cards are straight-up corruption.
 
2018-01-22 09:28:39 PM  
A Fraternal Order of Police sticker on your vehicle was a good way to get a warning instead of a ticket in some places in Michigan...

/even if it came on a used car you bought
//as my brother did
 
2018-01-22 09:32:05 PM  

Ringshadow: A Fraternal Order of Police sticker on your vehicle was a good way to get a warning instead of a ticket in some places in Michigan...

/even if it came on a used car you bought
//as my brother did


On the other hand, put a Grateful Dead sticker and an ICP sticker on an expensive car, and watch the cops pull you over for possible GTA.
 
2018-01-22 09:32:47 PM  

Ringshadow: A Fraternal Order of Police sticker on your vehicle was a good way to get a warning instead of a ticket in some places in Michigan...

/even if it came on a used car you bought
//as my brother did


Yeah, that was the whole point.
/high school friend's dad had one in Los Angeles
 
2018-01-22 09:32:56 PM  

Ringshadow: A Fraternal Order of Police sticker on your vehicle was a good way to get a warning instead of a ticket in some places in Michigan...

/even if it came on a used car you bought
//as my brother did


This statement valid in Ohio when I grew up there, as well.
 
2018-01-22 09:34:10 PM  

Ringshadow: A Fraternal Order of Police sticker on your vehicle was a good way to get a warning instead of a ticket in some places in Michigan...

/even if it came on a used car you bought
//as my brother did


Yeah there are a couple charities that you get a sticker for a donation. Good insurance and relatively cheap ($10) vs a potential ticket.
I'd rather live in a society where such a trade didn't exist but I won't pass up on it if its available.
 
2018-01-22 09:34:42 PM  
Well, they could always try anal and in jail, that chance may present itself readily.

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2018-01-22 09:35:17 PM  

Mithiwithi: But I thought policemen didn't have balls.


damn it..
 came here to say this
 
2018-01-22 09:35:47 PM  
In Alberta you can get a veteran's license plate with poppies on it. I assume the point is to alert the cops to your status and not pull you over. There's literally no other reason to have them.
 
2018-01-22 09:37:48 PM  

Ringshadow: A Fraternal Order of Police sticker on your vehicle was a good way to get a warning instead of a ticket in some places in Michigan...

/even if it came on a used car you bought
//as my brother did


Actually those work pretty much anywhere in the USA.  Buy the $500 license plate & you can get csught drunk driving and the cops will politely escort you to your destination so you stay safe.

//Actually saw that happen once in Tampa.
 
2018-01-22 09:38:59 PM  

Bowen: straight-up corruption


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2018-01-22 09:40:38 PM  
Paying their salaries with our taxes is not enough. You need to have one of these cards to get professional courtesy... being not black also helps get courtesy.
 
2018-01-22 09:41:11 PM  

Russ1642: In Alberta you can get a veteran's license plate with poppies on it. I assume the point is to alert the cops to your status and not pull you over. There's literally no other reason to have them.


Doesn't that mean you're transporting heroin?
 
2018-01-22 09:41:38 PM  

slackananda: Well, they could always try anal and in jail, that chance may present itself readily.


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2018-01-22 09:42:40 PM  
Why do cops have, apparently, so many friends and family members who are at rush of going to jail? Or am I unusual in that I have neither friends nor family who have been incarcerated?
 
2018-01-22 09:43:49 PM  

lostcat: Why do cops have, apparently, so many friends and family members who are at rush of going to jail? Or am I unusual in that I have neither friends nor family who have been incarcerated?


Rush...risk... Hard to fight auto-correct when you are trying to act like you are paying attention to someone else while typing.
 
2018-01-22 09:43:49 PM  
in NJ the blessed ones get a PBA badge for their car windshield so large it has 3 suction cups to hold it in place. it's a license to drive like a total douche bag. seen it many times.
 
2018-01-22 09:44:12 PM  

holdmybones: Ringshadow: A Fraternal Order of Police sticker on your vehicle was a good way to get a warning instead of a ticket in some places in Michigan...

/even if it came on a used car you bought
//as my brother did

This statement valid in Ohio when I grew up there, as well.


Can confirm it's valid in Alabama, too. I've had one for years.
 
2018-01-22 09:44:52 PM  
You know the old saying. "Cops don't get tickets when they get pulled over for speeding. They just make new friends."

Policing is a corrupt institution, and police unions reinforce the very worst behaviors.
 
2018-01-22 09:46:19 PM  
Those backfire almost as often as they work.  I know some cops who make it a point to refuse to let anyone off who tries such a ploy, even if they were planning to let you off with a warning, or reduce your charges.  Same with flirting your way out of a ticket.  It works on some cops, will really annoy other cops.

The only people who near universally get a break are pizza delivery drivers, but only so long as they are not being especially dangerous, and only because the cops know if they hold a driver up for twenty minutes, they can make their point by costing him a tip, without giving him a ticket that will cost him more then a weeks wages.  Even then, some cops still write pizza drivers.
 
2018-01-22 09:52:17 PM  

Bowen: Those PBA cards are straight-up corruption.


Seriously. It's hard to believe how clear the language on the card is. It's not just corrupt, it's proud of it.
 
2018-01-22 10:04:00 PM  

winedrinkingman: Those backfire almost as often as they work.  I know some cops who make it a point to refuse to let anyone off who tries such a ploy, even if they were planning to let you off with a warning, or reduce your charges.  Same with flirting your way out of a ticket.  It works on some cops, will really annoy other cops.

The only people who near universally get a break are pizza delivery drivers, but only so long as they are not being especially dangerous, and only because the cops know if they hold a driver up for twenty minutes, they can make their point by costing him a tip, without giving him a ticket that will cost him more then a weeks wages.  Even then, some cops still write pizza drivers.


This is true, and I'm guessing a pizza topper is less costly than one of these cards.  A friend told me he never gets pulled over with his topper on.
/I mean a friend, not myself, so YMMV.
//May not work without pizza in vehicle
 
2018-01-22 10:10:04 PM  

secularsage: You know the old saying. "Cops don't get tickets when they get pulled over for speeding. They just make new friends."

Policing is a corrupt institution, and police unions reinforce the very worst behaviors.

You know the old saying. "Cops don't get tickets when they get pulled over for speeding. They just make new friends."
Policing

in Americais a corrupt institution, and police unions reinforce the very worst behaviors.

Maybe a factor?
 
2018-01-22 10:12:45 PM  
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/keep mine in my wallet just in case
//hey, it might work amirite
 
2018-01-22 10:15:28 PM  

Mithiwithi: But I thought policemen didn't have balls.


You're thinking of the secret policeman.
 
2018-01-22 10:17:45 PM  

winedrinkingman: Those backfire almost as often as they work.  I know some cops who make it a point to refuse to let anyone off who tries such a ploy, even if they were planning to let you off with a warning, or reduce your charges.  Same with flirting your way out of a ticket.  It works on some cops, will really annoy other cops.

The only people who near universally get a break are pizza delivery drivers, but only so long as they are not being especially dangerous, and only because the cops know if they hold a driver up for twenty minutes, they can make their point by costing him a tip, without giving him a ticket that will cost him more then a weeks wages.  Even then, some cops still write pizza drivers.


I had a friend who used to always flirt her way out of tickets.  (She was a former runner up Ms. Dairy Queen NY!)  It usually worked.  Not so much the time she rear-ended a patrol car, but usually.

/I don't think these cards should be legal, or the PBA stickers you get for donating and put on your car, or that police charities should be allowed to call homes- there is this implied threat that they might not respond to your address as fast if you don't.  Even the appearance of impropriety with cops should be avoided.  They should have BBQs at the station like firemen.  (Who also sometimes fundraise obnoxiously... when they stand in traffic with their boot out creating traffic jams it makes me want to start fires.)
 
2018-01-22 10:31:11 PM  
It's like having extra white skin.
 
2018-01-22 10:44:44 PM  
I used to get them fairly often through a former job. Never used one when pulled over, though. It felt dirty just thinking about it. I'd toss them in the car and forget about them.

Plus, I'm a white guy over the age of 30. Getting a warning instead of a ticket mostly involves being deferential and not being drunk.
 
2018-01-22 10:50:10 PM  
Opening up police dialogue with "I don't answe questions and don't consent to search.  Am I being detained officer?"   Has worked OK at protecting my 4th amendment rights but doesn't work so well at avoiding speeding tickets.
 
2018-01-22 10:55:28 PM  
14th Amendment, Section 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
 
2018-01-22 11:09:55 PM  
winedrinkingman:

The only people who near universally get a break are pizza delivery drivers,


Well sure. Who knows an actually dangerous job better than people that declare their moderately dangerous job at every opportunity
 
2018-01-22 11:21:32 PM  

Old Smokie: This is true, and I'm guessing a pizza topper is less costly than one of these cards.  A friend told me he never gets pulled over with his topper on.
/I mean a friend, not myself, so YMMV.
//May not work without pizza in vehicle


If he never gets pulled over then having a pizza in the vehicle would be an optional but delicious accessory. Of course you could just say you already delivered it a few minutes beforehand.
 
2018-01-22 11:48:55 PM  
Had a few "donations given" stickers that I had back in the day.  Those things saved me a few thousand over the years.

Really the difference between Law Enforcement and the old Catholic Church selling indulgences is really not so different.  Make of that what you will.
 
2018-01-23 12:37:16 AM  

orclover: Had a few "donations given" stickers that I had back in the day.  Those things saved me a few thousand over the years.

Really the difference between Law Enforcement and the old Catholic Church selling indulgences is really not so different.  Make of that what you will.


Snappy dressers
Hypocrisy to the bone
Really love money

The only difference is there's no Cop Pope to sign any of their stuff
 
2018-01-23 12:41:05 AM  
I found my expired parking sticker for the Naval Officers & Military Club had a beneficial effect when being pulled over.
 
2018-01-23 01:02:38 AM  
Here in Florida they actually made it a crime to display a Fraternal Order of Police bumper sticker if you were not actually a cop or immediate family member.  To many people were getting free passes.

So I started getting my wife the Florida Sheriff's Association decal instead.  Does the same job.  It has probably saved me several thousand dollars over a few years.  I don't need one because I don't drive like a bat out of hell.  But honey....good lord.
 
2018-01-23 01:06:43 AM  

Ringshadow: A Fraternal Order of Police sticker on your vehicle was a good way to get a warning instead of a ticket in some places in Michigan...

/even if it came on a used car you bought
//as my brother did


Add a Masonic compass and square just to be sure. Unless in a heavily Catholic state, in which case substitutea Knights of Columbus sticker.
 
2018-01-23 01:56:34 AM  
englaja:

Add a Masonic compass and square just to be sure. Unless in a heavily Catholic state, in which case substitutea Knights of Columbus sticker.
Unless you know the handshake, you're still gonna get hassled.
 
2018-01-23 01:58:26 AM  

lostcat: Why do cops have, apparently, so many friends and family members who are at rush of going to jail? Or am I unusual in that I have neither friends nor family who have been incarcerated?


That you know of, about one in three Americans is arrested at some point in their life *usually by their mid 20's*, cops can take you to jail for going 1mph over the speed limit if they feel like it.  I've never been convicted of a crime, but I have been to jail twice... it sucks ass.

If you're just talking about people convicted of a felony... statistically speaking it wouldn't be unheard of for someone to have no friends/family members in that group, but still you're talking about 1 in 20 people in America... obviously ethnicity of your friends and family is going to play a large role.
 
2018-01-23 02:06:58 AM  
I haven't gotten a ticket since I was in my early 20's, I've never really been a speed demon, I worked out of state too much and just adopted a 5mph over the limit mentality to driving.  Outside of Texas and out west where the speed limits can be 85 mph you're not going to get pulled over for 5mph.

The intent of these cards and stickers is clear, but I find a few gray hairs works just as well, I have been pulled over a few times and let go with a warning... probably because I'm white.
 
2018-01-23 02:14:28 AM  
Canadian drivers license works wonders.
 
2018-01-23 03:58:06 AM  
Why are these cards even issued?  Per this article an active police officer gets up to 30 cards, and a retired officer up to 20. I can't think of a single reason why police officers should have these cards to distribute in the first place, but the fact that the police union is up in arms at getting fewer cards tells me they are valuable.

Untaxed, unregulated, and given to F&Family.  These need to be shut down immediately. I don't care if your uncle is a cop:  pay the same ticket as someone who isn't related to him.  I certainly hope the cards don't give you cover for something beyond a speeding or parking ticket.
 
2018-01-23 05:02:23 AM  
When I was a deputy sheriff that meant "Please write me as many tickets as you can until your hand cramps."

Everyone Is the same before the law.
 
2018-01-23 05:48:54 AM  

ElizaDoolittle: Why are these cards even issued?  Per this article an active police officer gets up to 30 cards, and a retired officer up to 20. I can't think of a single reason why police officers should have these cards to distribute in the first place, but the fact that the police union is up in arms at getting fewer cards tells me they are valuable.

Untaxed, unregulated, and given to F&Family.  These need to be shut down immediately. I don't care if your uncle is a cop:  pay the same ticket as someone who isn't related to him.  I certainly hope the cards don't give you cover for something beyond a speeding or parking ticket.


I figure the union is buying the loyalty of law enforcement members with leniency upon friends and family.
 
2018-01-23 06:01:53 AM  

LiberalConservative: I figure the union is buying the loyalty of law enforcement members with leniency upon friends and family.


You don't say.  These cards have no business existing. I'd never heard of them until today, but they have to go.  Spare me the stories about how they are given as valuable Christmas presents.  They are inexcusable. They're really *Get Out of Jail Free* cards.  Or, more likely, *Never See a Jail* cards.  Police officers have no need of these cards.

Cops are supposed to treat people equally.  I know it doesn't happen, but good grief, who thought up the idea of giving them any cards, let alone 30, that would enable someone who breaks the law to get a pass?
 
2018-01-23 06:23:05 AM  

doglover: orclover: Had a few "donations given" stickers that I had back in the day.  Those things saved me a few thousand over the years.

Really the difference between Law Enforcement and the old Catholic Church selling indulgences is really not so different.  Make of that what you will.

Snappy dressers
Hypocrisy to the bone
Really love money

The only difference is there's no Cop Pope to sign any of their stuff


I was going to post something about indulgences as well. Now all I can think is "orcs and dogs living together!" NTTAWWT
 
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