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2018-01-21 11:11:34 AM  
I understand someone competent needs to carry the Nuclear Football, but there'll be no shortage of willing volunteers to unleash hell upon the shi, er...

Can't the rules be bent a little for the current incumbent? Go on, you know you want to. Go on. Go on go on.
 
2018-01-21 11:11:48 AM  
Unfortunately yes.
 
2018-01-21 11:12:59 AM  
We would also accept Dolt 45
 
2018-01-21 11:13:33 AM  
Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?
 
2018-01-21 11:14:37 AM  
If you watch TV and movies there are fictional accounts of Presidents sneaking out of the White House, but they almost always have at least one agent with them and it's primarily to do something off the record or private.

This guy?  Not a chance.
 
2018-01-21 11:17:14 AM  
The president and the vice president cannot ditch the Secret Service.
 
2018-01-21 11:18:21 AM  
The Secret Service protect the office, not merely the current occupant. The president is not a free man.
 
2018-01-21 11:27:30 AM  

This About That: The Secret Service protect the office, not merely the current occupant. The president is not a free man.


And, hopefully, soon to be even less free.

Orange would go quite well with his complexion.
 
2018-01-21 11:30:24 AM  

TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?


WhIch castle?
 
2018-01-21 11:33:56 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: We would also accept Dolt 45


I can't think of him as *anything* suffixed with #45, in sharp contrast as he ow with the relative excellence of all his predecessors. D2S all the way down for me I'm afraid.
 
2018-01-21 11:34:50 AM  

RJReves: This About That: The Secret Service protect the office, not merely the current occupant. The president is not a free man.

And, hopefully, soon to be even less free.

Orange would go quite well with his complexion.


His true complexion is closer to oatmeal. The orange is spray tan.

Still, given his penchant for actually WANTING to look like he facedives into a bag of Cheetos, the orange jumpsuit would be appropriate.
 
2018-01-21 11:35:59 AM  

markie_farkie: RJReves: This About That: The Secret Service protect the office, not merely the current occupant. The president is not a free man.

And, hopefully, soon to be even less free.

Orange would go quite well with his complexion.

His true complexion is closer to oatmeal. The orange is spray tan.

Still, given his penchant for actually WANTING to look like he facedives into a bag of Cheetos, the orange jumpsuit would be appropriate.


With numbers. All the best numbers.
 
2018-01-21 11:37:10 AM  

This About That: The Secret Service protect the office, not merely the current occupant. The president is not a free man.


On one level that's almost comforting, but I know what happens, when ordinary people have time to think, to stew on things, to...

He's not 'ordinary people' is he. :/
 
2018-01-21 11:38:38 AM  

RJReves: This About That: The Secret Service protect the office, not merely the current occupant. The president is not a free man.

And, hopefully, soon to be even less free.

Orange would go quite well with his complexion.


I wonder if he'll be buddied up with predisent Arpaio in 2024?
 
2018-01-21 11:41:41 AM  

bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?


Derp. Buckingham Palace, but you knew that
 
2018-01-21 11:42:53 AM  

BizarreMan: If you watch TV and movies there are fictional accounts of Presidents sneaking out of the White House, but they almost always have at least one agent with them and it's primarily to do something off the record or private.

This guy?  Not a chance.


Off the record. Ah, like meeting Rus, er... sneaking off to see his mist, er... fighting aliens, yeah.
 
2018-01-21 11:43:45 AM  
Serious answer here:  I used to work for the Secret Service 20 years ago.  At that time, there existed a policy whereby the president could waive Secret Service protection for specific purposes.  I was told of an incident were Al Gore had decided he wanted to go hiking in the woods without being followed around, and signed a waiver that released the Secret Service for a certain number of hours, or until he called for help.
 
2018-01-21 11:44:07 AM  

bazbt3: RJReves: This About That: The Secret Service protect the office, not merely the current occupant. The president is not a free man.

And, hopefully, soon to be even less free.

Orange would go quite well with his complexion.

I wonder if he'll be buddied up with predisent Arpaio in 2024?


Your nightcrawlers?

They are deceased.
 
2018-01-21 11:45:36 AM  

abhorrent1: bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?

Derp. Buckingham Palace, but you knew that


Probably not, I don't know her that well. ;)
 
2018-01-21 11:50:29 AM  

Creepy Lurker Guy: Serious answer here:  I used to work for the Secret Service 20 years ago.  At that time, there existed a policy whereby the president could waive Secret Service protection for specific purposes.  I was told of an incident were Al Gore had decided he wanted to go hiking in the woods without being followed around, and signed a waiver that released the Secret Service for a certain number of hours, or until he called for help.


Thankyou. You almost lost me at 'Serious answer' but I persevered.

It seems logical, given the fact that POTUS and 2nd-in-command (even D2S and Cents) are human. The crushing pressure knowing that every movement is assessed by others before it's made must be *intolerable*, even a moment's respite would be welcomed.
 
2018-01-21 11:51:12 AM  
My understanding is that the Secret Service itself is required to secure the President against all threats.  It's not that Donnie wants to take the Secret Service everywhere or that he's required to take the Secret Service everywhere.  The Secret Service is required to protect him at all times and has effectively unlimited power to do so relative to the office of the President.  After he leaves office, they'll still be required to provide a security detail.  In the mean time, he's not allowed to do a number of things including driving a car or other actions that the Service has determined to be potentially risky or which might prevent them from responding quickly enough in an emergency.
 
2018-01-21 11:51:17 AM  

bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?

Derp. Buckingham Palace, but you knew that

Probably not, I don't know her that well. ;)


Well here ya go...
Royal Protection Squad
 
2018-01-21 11:54:27 AM  

abhorrent1: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?

Derp. Buckingham Palace, but you knew that

Probably not, I don't know her that well. ;)

Well here ya go...
Royal Protection Squad


Thanks. £27 million in turn of the century money. I...
 
2018-01-21 11:56:33 AM  

thecactusman17: My understanding is that the Secret Service itself is required to secure the President against all threats.  It's not that Donnie wants to take the Secret Service everywhere or that he's required to take the Secret Service everywhere.  The Secret Service is required to protect him at all times and has effectively unlimited power to do so relative to the office of the President.  After he leaves office, they'll still be required to provide a security detail.  In the mean time, he's not allowed to do a number of things including driving a car or other actions that the Service has determined to be potentially risky or which might prevent them from responding quickly enough in an emergency.


Someone should infiltrate the system and tell him how dangerous it can be playing with his dimpled balls.
 
2018-01-21 12:08:57 PM  
Even after office.  He, and the VP can't even drive themselves for the first 6 or 12 months out of office.  Joe Biden has been so looking forward to getting back into that 1960 something Corvette convertible.
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he got a "Special Dispensation" to drive it on Jay Leno's garage.
 
2018-01-21 12:10:06 PM  

bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?

Derp. Buckingham Palace, but you knew that

Probably not, I don't know her that well. ;)

Well here ya go...
Royal Protection Squad

Thanks. £27 million in turn of the century money. I...


Yeah I just noticed that was from 2000. A quick google says it's up to £70 million.
 
2018-01-21 12:19:02 PM  

abhorrent1: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?

Derp. Buckingham Palace, but you knew that

Probably not, I don't know her that well. ;)

Well here ya go...
Royal Protection Squad

Thanks. £27 million in turn of the century money. I...

Yeah I just noticed that was from 2000. A quick google says it's up to £70 million.


That's ruined my day, that has. That's in addition to the allowance they get every...

/me searches for the whisky
 
2018-01-21 12:47:47 PM  
Video quality is garbage, but this should give you some idea of how extensively they do their job:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHkvt​m​Eyas8
 
2018-01-21 12:58:27 PM  

bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?

Derp. Buckingham Palace, but you knew that

Probably not, I don't know her that well. ;)

Well here ya go...
Royal Protection Squad

Thanks. £27 million in turn of the century money. I...

Yeah I just noticed that was from 2000. A quick google says it's up to £70 million.

That's ruined my day, that has. That's in addition to the allowance they get every...

/me searches for the whisky


The cost of the royal family works out to 65p per person per year.

Which is more than covered out of the income from land the family owns which is given to the State.
The £328.8m sum generated in 2016-17 is an 8.1pc rise from last year, meaning the Queen will receive £82.2m to fund her official work in the Sovereign Grant in two years' time.

In other words, the government gets £330 million and gives back £82 million.  The royal family effectively pay a tax rate of 75%.
 
2018-01-21 02:09:27 PM  

Sid_6.7: Video quality is garbage, but this should give you some idea of how extensively they do their job:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHkvtm​Eyas8


tl;dw but favourited for when I have the time.
 
2018-01-21 02:25:41 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?

Derp. Buckingham Palace, but you knew that

Probably not, I don't know her that well. ;)

Well here ya go...
Royal Protection Squad

Thanks. £27 million in turn of the century money. I...

Yeah I just noticed that was from 2000. A quick google says it's up to £70 million.

That's ruined my day, that has. That's in addition to the allowance they get every...

/me searches for the whisky

The cost of the royal family works out to 65p per person per year.

Which is more than covered out of the income from land the family owns which is given to the State.
The £328.8m sum generated in 2016-17 is an 8.1pc rise from last year, meaning the Queen will receive £82.2m to fund her official work in the Sovereign Grant in two years' time.

In other words, the government gets £330 million and gives back £82 million.  The royal family effectively pay a tax rate of 75%.


Fair enough. I'd question why the enterprise isn't run on a non-profit basis* but I must say my judgment is coloured by an inability to grasp the magnitude of the numbers involved; yearly orders of magnitude more than my lifetime's earnings.

*How many castles do they really need?
 
2018-01-21 02:39:47 PM  

bazbt3: *How many castles do they really need?


Maintaining them as residences also keeps them around as historical sites for future generations.

Aren't there a lot of old great houses dotting the English countryside that are slowly falling apart because they're too expensive to maintain?
 
2018-01-21 02:51:52 PM  

bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?


The castle aaaarrrrrrggggghhhh
 
2018-01-21 02:55:05 PM  

cretinbob: bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?

The castle aaaarrrrrrggggghhhh


Thankyou for bringing this back to something I can relate to. :)
 
2018-01-21 02:58:28 PM  

Sid_6.7: bazbt3: *How many castles do they really need?

Maintaining them as residences also keeps them around as historical sites for future generations.

Aren't there a lot of old great houses dotting the English countryside that are slowly falling apart because they're too expensive to maintain?


There are indeed. There are also buildings in an urban setting that are also allowed to fall into disrepair before demolition; it's the natural order of things, not *everything* can be preserved at *any* cost.
 
2018-01-21 03:09:07 PM  
From what I understand, SS is required to protect the sitting president 24/7.

When the gov't shuts down, they are still required to protect the president, but the shutdown means Trump can't do any extra,  non-essential stuff because the SS isn't funded to handle that, only essential protection.
 
2018-01-21 03:09:21 PM  
Is this the Englishman who's asking?

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2018-01-21 03:16:38 PM  
Absolutely not. In fact, to support the retail economy I think he should wear a t-shirt with the logo of a major retailer. Not Wal*Mart....the other one.
 
2018-01-21 04:02:52 PM  

Creepy Lurker Guy: Serious answer here:  I used to work for the Secret Service 20 years ago.  At that time, there existed a policy whereby the president could waive Secret Service protection for specific purposes.  I was told of an incident were Al Gore had decided he wanted to go hiking in the woods without being followed around, and signed a waiver that released the Secret Service for a certain number of hours, or until he called for help.


While I don't know for sure. . .I'd imagine things got rougher post 9/11.  Also, Al Gore was the VP, I'd imagine protection is a bit tighter on the POTUS himself.
 
2018-01-21 04:06:10 PM  
"Educate an Englishman?"

That's odd, don't you know everything about anything anyone could possibly ever know already?

Or was I mistaken during my time there?
 
2018-01-21 04:17:22 PM  

bazbt3: I understand someone competent needs to carry the Nuclear Football...


Not an SS guy, tho. It's always a military type.
 
2018-01-21 04:21:24 PM  
We have made it pretty easy to vote from the rooftops.
 
2018-01-21 04:22:47 PM  
Silverstaff -  . . .  I'd imagine things got rougher post 9/11.

I agree with you there.

Also, Al Gore was the VP, I'd imagine protection is a bit tighter on the POTUS himself.

I don't think so.  They made a point of giving the VP and family the same level of protection as the president.  I doubt that's changed.

It's probably a moot point with Trump, as he likes having folks follow him around, so he would never feel a need to sign one of those waivers.
 
2018-01-21 04:31:25 PM  

abhorrent1: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?

Derp. Buckingham Palace, but you knew that

Probably not, I don't know her that well. ;)

Well here ya go...
Royal Protection Squad


Omitted from this account is the assassination of Mountbatten by the IRA in 1979.
 
2018-01-21 04:34:51 PM  

abhorrent1: bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?

Derp. Buckingham Palace, but you knew that


I thought the correction but didn't type it. Mainly because this is Discussion, not Geek. And regi-haters are quick to pounce.
 
2018-01-21 04:48:40 PM  

GRCooper: Is this the Englishman who's asking?

[img.fark.net image 327x253]


"How brave ye went out with your muskets so bright
And thought to befrighten the folks with the sight
But when you got there how they powdered your pums
And all the way home how they peppered your bums
And is it not, honies, a comical crack
To be proud in the face, and shot in the back?"
 
2018-01-21 04:51:16 PM  
Is it even necessary for Trump? I mean, his russian handlers will look after him right?
 
2018-01-21 05:01:03 PM  

bazbt3: Carter Pewterschmidt: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: abhorrent1: bazbt3: TheHighlandHowler: Is the Queen allowed to leave the castle unescorted?

WhIch castle?

Derp. Buckingham Palace, but you knew that

Probably not, I don't know her that well. ;)

Well here ya go...
Royal Protection Squad

Thanks. £27 million in turn of the century money. I...

Yeah I just noticed that was from 2000. A quick google says it's up to £70 million.

That's ruined my day, that has. That's in addition to the allowance they get every...

/me searches for the whisky

The cost of the royal family works out to 65p per person per year.

Which is more than covered out of the income from land the family owns which is given to the State.
The £328.8m sum generated in 2016-17 is an 8.1pc rise from last year, meaning the Queen will receive £82.2m to fund her official work in the Sovereign Grant in two years' time.

In other words, the government gets £330 million and gives back £82 million.  The royal family effectively pay a tax rate of 75%.

Fair enough. I'd question why the enterprise isn't run on a non-profit basis*but I must say my judgment is coloured by an inability to grasp the magnitude of the numbers involved; yearly orders of magnitude more than my lifetime's earnings.

*How many castles do they really need?


That was the deal they made years ago. Government gets the profits and in return the family gets a chunk of it back to pay for the running. As a percentage tax it's very high but it also means they don't have to pay inheritance tax when Charles takes over.

They are also the head of state, and if you look at how much the US or France spends on their President it's not excessive. The PM has a far more modest budget and lives in essentially a two bedroomed apartment in a government building. It was only a couple of years ago that they even got a plane, and that was a second hand RAF refuelling plane with a bunch of ordinary business class seats added. It still operates as a refuelling plane most of the time.
If the UK got rid of the royal family it would be very likely that the new PM/Head of state would end up living a far more luxurious lifestyle anyway.
The royal family's income comes from land they personally own. Many believe that legally if the royal family was actually scrapped they'd still own those lands, as opposed to "Crown" land which belongs to the state, and be able to live just the way they are now and not have to do any public duties.

Having a Head Of State separate from the political leader is a good thing in many ways. It allows the PM to be criticised without anyone accusing critics of attacking the country itself.
 
2018-01-21 05:04:54 PM  
Just for context, the cost of adding some seats to a working RAF refuelling plane was £10 million. The US is planning two new Air Force One's at a cost of up to $4 billion....
 
2018-01-21 05:17:33 PM  
Hmm... it's kind of like the Secret Service is an essential ingredient in the burrito that is the President's travel itinerary.
 
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