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2018-01-19 10:47:52 PM  
Been there, done that, got the physical & mental scars.
 
2018-01-20 12:09:06 AM  
a state that Skowron calls "extreme threat-sensitivity,"

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2018-01-20 01:01:34 AM  

FormlessOne: Been there, done that, got the physical & mental scars.


Children fought back, huh?
 
2018-01-20 01:07:26 AM  
"my child is more powerful than me,'" she says. "'If I am in complete control then I can calm down. "

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2018-01-20 01:09:05 AM  
I've been having girl in the window feelings about these children. I hope it turns out better for all of them.

Ten years after update a few months ago: http://www.tampabay.com/projects​/girl-​in-the-window/neglect-feral-child-ten-​years-later/
 
2018-01-20 01:12:45 AM  
I'm guessing a lot of that psychology lands somewhere in or around the B cluster.
 
2018-01-20 01:18:06 AM  
Guy in the video sounds like Mr. Mackey
 
2018-01-20 01:24:27 AM  
From TFA:

he worked as an engineer at Northrop Grumman at an annual salary of $140,000 as recently as 2011. ...
"He may have felt like this was the only way for the family to survive under the pressures that were being imposed on them by society," says Finkelhor.


Good lord. I'm usually the first person to blame society for everything but seriously? Nearly everything they did ran contrary to social pressures. No one is pressured to have 13 kids, to homeschool, etc. The only "pressure" they were under was to feed their kids. I think this guy is trying to argue that they were under "social pressure" to buy a huge house and they spiralled into debt. That's not doing it for me.
 
2018-01-20 01:28:59 AM  
"Parents may tell themselves they're protecting their children from the corruption of an awful society," says Finkelhor


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2018-01-20 01:31:46 AM  
Dad of a 14-year-old daughter. I just don't understand this. Also enjoying, not uncoincidentally,

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2018-01-20 01:39:49 AM  

General Apathy and Major Boredom: I've been having girl in the window feelings about these children. I hope it turns out better for all of them.

Ten years after update a few months ago: http://www.tampabay.com/projects/​girl-in-the-window/neglect-feral-child​-ten-years-later/


Jebus i had never hear of her, but I have honestly been moved to tears. I have a special needs child in my life Abbie who while shes 10 now she has the mind of about a 5 year old which might improve slightly. Ive known her since she was 6 months old. Im uncle Turkey(she only recently could pronounce Freddy) She changed my world. I have moved away for 6 years and been back a few times a year since. The true joy and love she exudes is intoxicating. She makes everyone who meets her smile.
 
2018-01-20 01:42:17 AM  
I have a simpler explanation.  This is what a statistically significant portion of Evangelicals view as domestically acceptable.  They fund raise on just that.
 
2018-01-20 01:49:53 AM  

General Apathy and Major Boredom: I've been having girl in the window feelings about these children. I hope it turns out better for all of them.

Ten years after update a few months ago: http://www.tampabay.com/projects/​girl-in-the-window/neglect-feral-child​-ten-years-later/


Thanks for that.
 
2018-01-20 01:55:11 AM  

Leandros A:  I think this guy is trying to argue that they were under "social pressure" to buy a huge house and they spiralled into debt. That's not doing it for me.


That isn't at all what he was saying, but at least today you learned you suck at reading comprehension.
 
2018-01-20 01:58:09 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Dad of a 14-year-old daughter. I just don't understand this. Also enjoying, not uncoincidentally,

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..are .. are they making the farking mini-run comic "Happy" into a movie??

/but I can't get a Transmet miniseries? Travesty of justice
 
2018-01-20 01:59:20 AM  
Dirty pillows!

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I've met people who have had eerily similar experiences growing up. Well everything except the telekinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. Some people should not be allowed to teach anyone or anything.
 
2018-01-20 02:07:06 AM  

General Apathy and Major Boredom: I've been having girl in the window feelings about these children. I hope it turns out better for all of them.

Ten years after update a few months ago: http://www.tampabay.com/projects/​girl-in-the-window/neglect-feral-child​-ten-years-later/


I remember this story well. One always hopes for a better outcome but it serves as a reminder how absolutely essential stimulation is for babies and young children. I will admit as a social worker it makes me very uncomfortable that they have female non-verbal residents in a group home with men (residents and/or staff).
 
2018-01-20 02:07:43 AM  

General Apathy and Major Boredom: I've been having girl in the window feelings about these children. I hope it turns out better for all of them.

Ten years after update a few months ago: http://www.tampabay.com/projects/​girl-in-the-window/neglect-feral-child​-ten-years-later/


If you feel like being really creeped out, there's a video of one of the parents' vow renewals on youtube. As of now it's still up, anyway. It's about 40 minutes long. I don't want to link it, but if you do a google video search for "David & Louise Elvis Las Vegas Renewal" you should find it. I think it's pretty clear that none of them are as impaired as that girl. They're too thin, there's something decidedly off about the way they move, as if they're almost too weak from starvation to move at all (though Elvis and anyone else who didn't have the benefit of hindsight would probably just assume they were unathletic and uncoordinated), and most of them seem almost more quiet and retiring than even shy children normally would be, but there's nothing that would necessarily tip off strangers that really horrific shiat was being done to them. They all seem happy (probably because they aren't chained to the bed), and can talk and so on. I think there's a lot more hope for them than for a kid like the one in the article you linked.
 
2018-01-20 02:10:39 AM  

Valacirca: Leandros A:  I think this guy is trying to argue that they were under "social pressure" to buy a huge house and they spiralled into debt. That's not doing it for me.

That isn't at all what he was saying, but at least today you learned you suck at reading comprehension.


Thanks. English is my 4th language so I do make mistakes. I didn't see reference to specific social pressures that could have put them half a million dollars in debt but their house seems very ostentatious. I did say "I think" he's trying to say that, as it was speculative on my part.
 
2018-01-20 02:12:00 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: I have a simpler explanation.  This is what a statistically significant portion of Evangelicals view as domestically acceptable.  They fund raise on just that.


Citation Needed, but don't let me stop you from quickly blaming a religion instead of maybe they were just A holes.
 
2018-01-20 02:32:21 AM  
Leandros A:

I remember this story well. One always hopes for a better outcome but it serves as a reminder how absolutely essential stimulation is for babies and young children. I will admit as a social worker it makes me very uncomfortable that they have female non-verbal residents in a group home with men (residents and/or staff).

It may also be evidence that there really was something neurologically wrong with her from the beginning, and her biological mom just gave up on teaching her to talk, and did the bare minimum to keep her from dying.  I remember the original story did have some interviews with the mother, and she seemed borderline retarded herself.

Agree about the non-verbal female residents.  (OTOH, she's huge, so it wouldn't be easy)
 
2018-01-20 02:32:28 AM  
Whenever you hear someone say gays shouldn't have kids, remind them that the vast majority of child abusers are straight.

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2018-01-20 02:34:15 AM  

Zombie DJ: backhand.slap.of.reason: I have a simpler explanation.  This is what a statistically significant portion of Evangelicals view as domestically acceptable.  They fund raise on just that.

Citation Needed, but don't let me stop you from quickly blaming a religion instead of maybe they were just A holes.


You really don't want me coming back here with statistics confirming the rampant abuse in religious communities, the more fundamentalist, the more abusive. It's rampant in the Witnesses, rampant in the Catholic Church, rampant throughout fundamentalist Jewish and Amish communities. They explicitly justify it through scripture (Spare the rod and spoil the child), even writing how-to books for breaking your child's spirit and rendering him a fearful automaton. Even this book's name is drawn from scripture:

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When your entire worldview is based on a jealous, puntive sky-daddy, and deliberately break your child to accept your authority on anything and everything, these things will happen. Throw in the severe sexual dysfunction that seems to be endemic to religion and this is what you get.
 
2018-01-20 02:53:54 AM  

General Apathy and Major Boredom: I've been having girl in the window feelings about these children. I hope it turns out better for all of them.

Ten years after update a few months ago: http://www.tampabay.com/projects/​girl-in-the-window/neglect-feral-child​-ten-years-later/


Thanks for the link. I remember her story from at least a few years ago. Her "mother" was interviewed and wondered why she couldn't have her daughter anymore. The interview took place in the same trailer. Even more sick, there were siblings.
 
2018-01-20 03:02:39 AM  
I am reminded of the Far Side cartoon that depicts a stereotypical psychiatrist/psychoanalyst, with a patient on his couch.  The psychoanalyst appears to be listening as the patient is speaking, and appears to be taking notes.  On the psychoanalyst's notepad are only these words:

"Just Plain Nuts !"

I think that's about the only explanation for people who do this.
 
2018-01-20 03:06:21 AM  

aagrajag: Zombie DJ: backhand.slap.of.reason: I have a simpler explanation.  This is what a statistically significant portion of Evangelicals view as domestically acceptable.  They fund raise on just that.

Citation Needed, but don't let me stop you from quickly blaming a religion instead of maybe they were just A holes.

You really don't want me coming back here with statistics confirming the rampant abuse in religious communities, the more fundamentalist, the more abusive. It's rampant in the Witnesses, rampant in the Catholic Church, rampant throughout fundamentalist Jewish and Amish communities. They explicitly justify it through scripture (Spare the rod and spoil the child), even writing how-to books for breaking your child's spirit and rendering him a fearful automaton. Even this book's name is drawn from scripture:

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When your entire worldview is based on a jealous, puntive sky-daddy, and deliberately break your child to accept your authority on anything and everything, these things will happen. Throw in the severe sexual dysfunction that seems to be endemic to religion and this is what you get.


The tl;dr summary of that book:
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2018-01-20 03:07:34 AM  

geekbikerskum: I am reminded of the Far Side cartoon that depicts a stereotypical psychiatrist/psychoanalyst, with a patient on his couch.  The psychoanalyst appears to be listening as the patient is speaking, and appears to be taking notes.  On the psychoanalyst's notepad are only these words:

"Just Plain Nuts !"

I think that's about the only explanation for people who do this.


It isn't an explanation, it's throwing up one's hands and refusing to even attempt to understand these people. There are always reasons, and if we can determine what those are, we can better predict, identify, and prevent shiat like this from happening.
 
2018-01-20 03:08:27 AM  

Shedim: aagrajag: Zombie DJ: backhand.slap.of.reason: I have a simpler explanation.  This is what a statistically significant portion of Evangelicals view as domestically acceptable.  They fund raise on just that.

Citation Needed, but don't let me stop you from quickly blaming a religion instead of maybe they were just A holes.

You really don't want me coming back here with statistics confirming the rampant abuse in religious communities, the more fundamentalist, the more abusive. It's rampant in the Witnesses, rampant in the Catholic Church, rampant throughout fundamentalist Jewish and Amish communities. They explicitly justify it through scripture (Spare the rod and spoil the child), even writing how-to books for breaking your child's spirit and rendering him a fearful automaton. Even this book's name is drawn from scripture:

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When your entire worldview is based on a jealous, puntive sky-daddy, and deliberately break your child to accept your authority on anything and everything, these things will happen. Throw in the severe sexual dysfunction that seems to be endemic to religion and this is what you get.

The tl;dr summary of that book:
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That's pretty damned accurate. Some of the passages I read were absolutely revolting.
 
2018-01-20 03:11:48 AM  
That article is bizarre. Don't you have any sub judice rules at all in the US?
 
2018-01-20 03:17:14 AM  

Leandros A: General Apathy and Major Boredom: I've been having girl in the window feelings about these children. I hope it turns out better for all of them.

Ten years after update a few months ago: http://www.tampabay.com/projects/​girl-in-the-window/neglect-feral-child​-ten-years-later/

I remember this story well. One always hopes for a better outcome but it serves as a reminder how absolutely essential stimulation is for babies and young children. I will admit as a social worker it makes me very uncomfortable that they have female non-verbal residents in a group home with men (residents and/or staff).


I've had a really bad feeling about something since reading a few comments made by one of their former neighbors. The woman lived across the street from them for 4 years. According to her, the family had 4 more kids by the time they moved away, and yet, she never saw the mom pregnant. Not once.

I really hope to god that shiat crazy man didn't rape and have babies with the older girls. He and his wife are some form of religious nut ball, and he certainly wouldn't be the first to do something like that out of a messed up, end-times bible survivalist, bullsh*t.

New daughter/child brides would explain those idiotic wedding vow trips every two years.

Anyway, I really hope that's not the case. The story has sickened and infuriated me enough as it is.
 
2018-01-20 03:25:53 AM  

aagrajag: Shedim: aagrajag: Zombie DJ: backhand.slap.of.reason: I have a simpler explanation.  This is what a statistically significant portion of Evangelicals view as domestically acceptable.  They fund raise on just that.

Citation Needed, but don't let me stop you from quickly blaming a religion instead of maybe they were just A holes.

You really don't want me coming back here with statistics confirming the rampant abuse in religious communities, the more fundamentalist, the more abusive. It's rampant in the Witnesses, rampant in the Catholic Church, rampant throughout fundamentalist Jewish and Amish communities. They explicitly justify it through scripture (Spare the rod and spoil the child), even writing how-to books for breaking your child's spirit and rendering him a fearful automaton. Even this book's name is drawn from scripture:

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When your entire worldview is based on a jealous, puntive sky-daddy, and deliberately break your child to accept your authority on anything and everything, these things will happen. Throw in the severe sexual dysfunction that seems to be endemic to religion and this is what you get.

The tl;dr summary of that book:
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That's pretty damned accurate. Some of the passages I read were absolutely revolting.


That book is responsible for the murder of at least three children in separate cases. Likely more.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/wome​n​/2011/october/when-child-discipline-be​comes-abuse.html
 
2018-01-20 03:47:12 AM  

ringo2: Leandros A:

I remember this story well. One always hopes for a better outcome but it serves as a reminder how absolutely essential stimulation is for babies and young children. I will admit as a social worker it makes me very uncomfortable that they have female non-verbal residents in a group home with men (residents and/or staff).

It may also be evidence that there really was something neurologically wrong with her from the beginning, and her biological mom just gave up on teaching her to talk, and did the bare minimum to keep her from dying.  I remember the original story did have some interviews with the mother, and she seemed borderline retarded herself.

Agree about the non-verbal female residents.  (OTOH, she's huge, so it wouldn't be easy)


Her size wouldn't matter if she doesn't understand what's happening. She -- or the other non-verbal female residents -- could be taken advantage of in a myriad of ways. If this is the result of "inclusivity" and "non-discriminatory hiring practises" then it's not putting the residents' safety first. That non-verbal women in care homes are especially vulnerable to sexual exploitation and assault is a known fact. When comatose and non-verbal women in these situations are on oral contraceptives it's often for actual birth control purposes rather than off label uses: that's how vulnerable they are to rape by male staff. And here there seem to be male residents also. Not good practise imo.
 
2018-01-20 04:02:30 AM  
This is regular every day life in the hood. Not letting the kids go outside is what makes the difference? Now that's some real b*lls**t.
 
2018-01-20 04:52:43 AM  
I wonder about the kids out there still living like this. When the parents die and they have nobody to take care of them what happens? It doesn't seem like the parents really prepared them for the world at all.
 
2018-01-20 05:20:59 AM  

geekbikerskum: I am reminded of the Far Side cartoon that depicts a stereotypical psychiatrist/psychoanalyst, with a patient on his couch.  The psychoanalyst appears to be listening as the patient is speaking, and appears to be taking notes.  On the psychoanalyst's notepad are only these words:

"Just Plain Nuts !"

I think that's about the only explanation for people who do this.


What amazes me is that there are two people who are equally nuts who found each other. You'd expect if one parent says "hey lets chain the kids to their beds, not feed them, let them shiat on the floor, and then taunt them with tasty pies they cannot have" at least the other parent would go "wtf is wrong with you".
 
2018-01-20 05:55:07 AM  

chatikh: Whenever you hear someone say gays shouldn't have kids, remind them that the vast majority of child abusers are straight.

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Well, since gays can't reproduce, I would assume this is the case.
 
2018-01-20 06:12:00 AM  
What amazes me is that there are two people who are equally nuts who found each other. You'd expect if one parent says "hey lets chain the kids to their beds, not feed them, let them shiat on the floor, and then taunt them with tasty pies they cannot have" at least the other parent would go "wtf is wrong with you"
This. I have worked in this field for years. Sometimes it does not get better. I eventually owned my own 12 bed  home. My tears have failed to yield a good answer.
 
2018-01-20 07:14:14 AM  

Leandros A: ringo2: Leandros A:

I remember this story well. One always hopes for a better outcome but it serves as a reminder how absolutely essential stimulation is for babies and young children. I will admit as a social worker it makes me very uncomfortable that they have female non-verbal residents in a group home with men (residents and/or staff).

It may also be evidence that there really was something neurologically wrong with her from the beginning, and her biological mom just gave up on teaching her to talk, and did the bare minimum to keep her from dying.  I remember the original story did have some interviews with the mother, and she seemed borderline retarded herself.

Agree about the non-verbal female residents.  (OTOH, she's huge, so it wouldn't be easy)

Her size wouldn't matter if she doesn't understand what's happening. She -- or the other non-verbal female residents -- could be taken advantage of in a myriad of ways. If this is the result of "inclusivity" and "non-discriminatory hiring practises" then it's not putting the residents' safety first. That non-verbal women in care homes are especially vulnerable to sexual exploitation and assault is a known fact. When comatose and non-verbal women in these situations are on oral contraceptives it's often for actual birth control purposes rather than off label uses: that's how vulnerable they are to rape by male staff. And here there seem to be male residents also. Not good practise imo.


At the organization I work for men are not allowed to work at women's group homes, and the homes aren't co-ed for that reason. Even if I could work at a women's house there's no way I would, because anyone can say anything.
 
2018-01-20 07:35:49 AM  
I'm sure there are a few "I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it."
 
2018-01-20 07:39:16 AM  
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2018-01-20 07:47:59 AM  

Nidiot: geekbikerskum: I am reminded of the Far Side cartoon that depicts a stereotypical psychiatrist/psychoanalyst, with a patient on his couch.  The psychoanalyst appears to be listening as the patient is speaking, and appears to be taking notes.  On the psychoanalyst's notepad are only these words:

"Just Plain Nuts !"

I think that's about the only explanation for people who do this.

What amazes me is that there are two people who are equally nuts who found each other. You'd expect if one parent says "hey lets chain the kids to their beds, not feed them, let them shiat on the floor, and then taunt them with tasty pies they cannot have" at least the other parent would go "wtf is wrong with you".


The wife has probably had it drilled into her head from an early age that she is supposed to do as her husband says, or else.
 
2018-01-20 07:49:54 AM  

Leandros A: Valacirca: Leandros A:  I think this guy is trying to argue that they were under "social pressure" to buy a huge house and they spiralled into debt. That's not doing it for me.

That isn't at all what he was saying, but at least today you learned you suck at reading comprehension.

Thanks. English is my 4th language so I do make mistakes. I didn't see reference to specific social pressures that could have put them half a million dollars in debt but their house seems very ostentatious. I did say "I think" he's trying to say that, as it was speculative on my part.


wow, if English is your fourth language I am extremely impressed at how well you write in it.  How many languages do you speak?
 
2018-01-20 08:31:53 AM  
The sickening psychology of parents who torture their childrenfundamentalists

FTFY
 
2018-01-20 08:32:28 AM  
Sandman : The Doll's House is not an instruction manual!
 
2018-01-20 08:42:08 AM  

General Apathy and Major Boredom: I've been having girl in the window feelings about these children. I hope it turns out better for all of them.

Ten years after update a few months ago: http://www.tampabay.com/projects/​girl-in-the-window/neglect-feral-child​-ten-years-later/


Tears.

Tears streaming down my face.

My god why is her mother not in jail?
 
2018-01-20 08:53:27 AM  

chatikh: Whenever you hear someone say gays shouldn't have kids, remind them that the vast majority of child abusers are straight.

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They. Look. Farking. NUTS. Holy he'll, look at her eyes!!! *chills*
 
2018-01-20 09:17:50 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Nidiot: geekbikerskum: I am reminded of the Far Side cartoon that depicts a stereotypical psychiatrist/psychoanalyst, with a patient on his couch.  The psychoanalyst appears to be listening as the patient is speaking, and appears to be taking notes.  On the psychoanalyst's notepad are only these words:

"Just Plain Nuts !"

I think that's about the only explanation for people who do this.

What amazes me is that there are two people who are equally nuts who found each other. You'd expect if one parent says "hey lets chain the kids to their beds, not feed them, let them shiat on the floor, and then taunt them with tasty pies they cannot have" at least the other parent would go "wtf is wrong with you".

The wife has probably had it drilled into her head from an early age that she is supposed to do as her husband says, or else.


actually it might be the other way around. After reading a lot of personality disorder forums, it looks like at least 50% if not more have the woman being the really horrible one and the man is just the enabler. Also in the article it said more child abuse is perpetrated by mothers (although that's probably not taking into account single mom families). One of my half-baked theories is that some women desire to power-trip but can't figure out how to do it on a large scale externally so they focus inwards on their families instead (really, some of this shiat gets to cult proportions even if we're talking a small family).

Also in the mugshot pictures, the mom looks absolutely insane, the husband is just kind of meh.

\ source: I am a woman, in case anybody freaks out "ZOMG MISOGYNY!" women are totally capable of having personality disorders and being power-tripping assholes
 
2018-01-20 09:27:16 AM  

groppet: I wonder about the kids out there still living like this. When the parents die and they have nobody to take care of them what happens? It doesn't seem like the parents really prepared them for the world at all.


They post on Reddit, and to a lesser extent, Fark.
 
2018-01-20 09:28:07 AM  

Nidiot: geekbikerskum: I am reminded of the Far Side cartoon that depicts a stereotypical psychiatrist/psychoanalyst, with a patient on his couch.  The psychoanalyst appears to be listening as the patient is speaking, and appears to be taking notes.  On the psychoanalyst's notepad are only these words:

"Just Plain Nuts !"

I think that's about the only explanation for people who do this.

What amazes me is that there are two people who are equally nuts who found each other. You'd expect if one parent says "hey lets chain the kids to their beds, not feed them, let them shiat on the floor, and then taunt them with tasty pies they cannot have" at least the other parent would go "wtf is wrong with you".


You've not seen crazy magnetism in action?
 
2018-01-20 11:12:47 AM  

General Apathy and Major Boredom: I've been having girl in the window feelings about these children. I hope it turns out better for all of them.

Ten years after update a few months ago: http://www.tampabay.com/projects/​girl-in-the-window/neglect-feral-child​-ten-years-later/


We had a similar situation in my home town. It DID turn out much better for this young man. My Mom was on the County Foster Oversight Board and followed up on his progress until age 18. FAR FROM BROKEN: The once-emaciated, severely burned and abused boy of Oneida Street speaks about leaving the past behind and moving forward
 
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