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2018-01-19 09:55:41 PM  
marijuana remains a Schedule I narcotic at the federal level, which puts it in the same category as heroin and LSD. If Congress doesn't change the law

Can Congress do that? I'm entirely unclear on who is responsible for the scheduling system.
 
2018-01-19 09:56:17 PM  
Also: LSD shouldn't be Schedule 1 either.
 
2018-01-19 10:20:56 PM  

fusillade762: marijuana remains a Schedule I narcotic at the federal level, which puts it in the same category as heroin and LSD. If Congress doesn't change the law

Can Congress do that? I'm entirely unclear on who is responsible for the scheduling system.


Yes, they can.
Look up the wiki for the Controlled Substances Act.
 
2018-01-19 11:06:29 PM  

fusillade762: Also: LSD shouldn't be Schedule 1 either.


I blame Nixon.
 
2018-01-19 11:11:58 PM  
Canada is legalizing pot July 1st. In Ontario, all the grey market (mostly medicinal, with some oversupply) growers that have been growing for years are getting farked by the regulations and new start-ups by ex-[anti-pot]-police chiefs and other former Conservative anti-pot advocates. They're getting licences left and right. It's like the Libs in charge here want the whole thing to fail spectacularly.... But hello, hypocrisy on the Con side... MONEY TO BE MADE?!? I'M IN!!!! [but pot] yea so? [weren't you against that?] sure, why do you ask? [!!!]
Expect this model. A lot.
 
2018-01-20 12:15:50 AM  
Democrats want him to shut up, too.
See? We can be bipartisan.
 
2018-01-20 12:19:22 AM  

fusillade762: marijuana remains a Schedule I narcotic at the federal level, which puts it in the same category as heroin and LSD. If Congress doesn't change the law

Can Congress do that? I'm entirely unclear on who is responsible for the scheduling system.


Isn't Congress's whole point is to create, repeal, and amend federal law?
 
2018-01-20 12:22:23 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: fusillade762: marijuana remains a Schedule I narcotic at the federal level, which puts it in the same category as heroin and LSD. If Congress doesn't change the law

Can Congress do that? I'm entirely unclear on who is responsible for the scheduling system.

Isn't Congress's whole point is to create, repeal, and amend federal law?


Yeah, unless it's conflicting with the constitution they can do whatever they want.

Except, you know, pass a budget.
 
2018-01-20 12:23:11 AM  
Television man is crazy saying we're juvenile delinquent wrecks.
 
2018-01-20 12:25:54 AM  

Generation_D: Television man is crazy saying we're juvenile delinquent wrecks.


Well, we are. Just not because of pot.
 
2018-01-20 12:26:57 AM  
But those are metric boatloads, and Sessions knows the metric system is for communists
 
2018-01-20 12:27:22 AM  
Well, of course. It was the same with gambling and state lotteries. Once the government made private bookies with bad odds illegal, they immediately started their own lotteries with ludicrous odds in their place.

It's the same with weed. Money talks.
 
2018-01-20 12:28:21 AM  

Notabunny: But those are metric boatloads, and Sessions knows the metric system is for communists


Republicans never seem to mind the metric system in their money.
 
2018-01-20 12:35:02 AM  
I want to enlist Dave Wyndorff of Monster Magnet to help me write a dual sitar song  about Mr. Sessions and this situation concerning plants and stuff.
Monster Magnet - Black Balloon
Youtube bm3WsrqN1WQ
 
2018-01-20 12:38:01 AM  
My city doesn't sell it yet, but I just ordered some online yesterday and it arrived today. So convenient.

I'm happy it's legal in CA
 
2018-01-20 12:38:08 AM  
That's why many lawmakers are attempting to undercut the attorney general by penning letters directly to the president that gently urge him to remember his campaign pledge

Yeah, because if Donald Trump has one redeemable strength, it's sticking to his promises...
 
2018-01-20 12:40:48 AM  

fusillade762: Also: LSD shouldn't be Schedule 1 either.


Well, it's not particularly addictive since it barely works if you use it less than a week after a previous use, but it is powerful enough that you're pretty damned impaired while under the influence, and there is the potential to fark up spectacularly. Also no real medical use. Then again, I suppose much of the same rhetoric could be applied to alcohol as used by people in the habit of passing out in puddles of puke, and many people do find that chemical addictive. Never mind.
 
2018-01-20 12:42:27 AM  

Generation_D: Television man is crazy saying we're juvenile delinquent wrecks.


Who needs TV when you've got T-Rex?
 
2018-01-20 12:44:06 AM  
For the record I live in NC and haven;t smoked in weeks just off a friend. Do not go here.
 
2018-01-20 12:45:56 AM  
A few weeks ago, I bought some shares in a new mutual fund which invests in the legalized cannabis industry. Mainly, it's focusing on Canadian firms for now. I understand it's a bit of a casino gamble, but I'd be very interested in seeing how well the mutual fund performs over the next 5 years. Seeing as how recreational use in Canada will take place on July 1st, a giant legal market in California is a reality and surely decriminalization will continue to move-forward (New Jersey, Virginia, Vermont, etc).
 
2018-01-20 12:46:49 AM  
It's all going to depend on which faction stands to make more of a profit from pot legalization.  If the prison-industrial complex does, it will never be fully legal, but if legal weed's backers makes more, they'll win.
 
2018-01-20 12:48:08 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: It's all going to depend on which faction stands to make more of a profit from pot legalization.  If the prison-industrial complex does, it will never be fully legal, but if legal weed's backers makes more, they'll win.


MAKE more.  Fat farking fingers and a mobile phone are a deadly combination.
 
2018-01-20 12:48:49 AM  
Pass the bill removing it from Schedule 1.

That would be the SOLE effective or intelligent thing this Congress will have done.

Meanwhile, go ahead and leave the damn thing shut down.  Damn tired of my blue state tax dollars getting re-routed to shiatfark Hellhole, WV so Bobbie Jo Turdkicker can pop out kid number 7 and stay on welfare because Republican Jesus.
 
2018-01-20 12:49:09 AM  
The Republicans can't move it from Schedule I until their money-backers have had a chance to tool up to take advantage of it. As it is, they're behind the curve because they've spent all this time talking about how evil it is.

/who'd want to work for them after all that?
//I'd suspect they were narcs
///not paranoid. Who said that?
 
2018-01-20 01:00:19 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: It's all going to depend on which faction stands to make more of a profit from pot legalization.  If the prison-industrial complex does, it will never be fully legal, but if legal weed's backers makes more, they'll win.

MAKE more.  Fat farking fingers and a mobile phone are a deadly combination.


2017: Marijuana Industry - about $8 billion / yr
2017: Private Prison Industry - about $5 billion / yr

By 2020, it won't even be close.  That $8 billion is about to double thanks to California, Delaware (soon), Illinois (soon), Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, and New Jersey (soon) coming online. I would not bet against some additional states voting to legalize this year and next.
 
2018-01-20 01:11:13 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: fusillade762: Also: LSD shouldn't be Schedule 1 either.

Well, it's not particularly addictive since it barely works if you use it less than a week after a previous use, but it is powerful enough that you're pretty damned impaired while under the influence, and there is the potential to fark up spectacularly. Also no real medical use. Then again, I suppose much of the same rhetoric could be applied to alcohol as used by people in the habit of passing out in puddles of puke, and many people do find that chemical addictive. Never mind.


Psychedelics can be used to treat things like depression and OCD. But since they are schedule 1, of course their are not many studies because the government already decided by fiat that they don't work for treating any medical conditions.
 
2018-01-20 01:23:39 AM  
It isn't a hard concept: if you don't want a law enforced, CHANGE THE DAMN LAW, don't just ignore it. That was Obama's approach, just tell law enforcement to pretend  the law isn't there, and it leads to a cynical public thinking it isn't governed by fairness but by arbitrariness and favoritism. Good on Sessions for not turning a blind eye to violations of federal statutes, and good on Congress if it finally gets off its ass and changes those statutes so he doesn't have to (or can't) enforce them.
 
2018-01-20 01:38:07 AM  
They want Sessions to shut up? He won't. They want to make him? Impeach and remove him from office.

Problem solved. Then don't rubber stamp Moore as the new AG.
 
2018-01-20 01:42:04 AM  
Bob Marley Three little birds (Original)
Youtube PGYAAsHT4QE
 
2018-01-20 01:42:36 AM  
They may call it the devil weed, but money beats morality every time. Legalization is inevitable.
 
2018-01-20 01:49:13 AM  
fragMasterFlash: Three Little Birds
No offense but that is the most cliche pot song of all time and it's passable... Maybe I actually need some pot. Damn you NC!
 
2018-01-20 01:50:49 AM  

jjorsett: It isn't a hard concept: if you don't want a law enforced, CHANGE THE DAMN LAW, don't just ignore it. That was Obama's approach


With the Republican controlled congress doing everything they could to block everything he did, do you think Obama could have gotten the law changed? Sometimes you do what you can and hope someone who isn't being obstructed to hell and gone can finish the job.
 
2018-01-20 02:33:55 AM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: It's all going to depend on which faction stands to make more of a profit from pot legalization.  If the prison-industrial complex does, it will never be fully legal, but if legal weed's backers makes more, they'll win.

MAKE more.  Fat farking fingers and a mobile phone are a deadly combination.

2017: Marijuana Industry - about $8 billion / yr
2017: Private Prison Industry - about $5 billion / yr

By 2020, it won't even be close.  That $8 billion is about to double thanks to California, Delaware (soon), Illinois (soon), Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, and New Jersey (soon) coming online. I would not bet against some additional states voting to legalize this year and next.


I was just having this conversation the other day- once the hard numbers start consistently rolling in, Trump himself might tell the keebler elf to STFU, which will result in said elf either leaving in a huff or getting fired if he keeps going after the MJ industry.

This, by the way, would almost guarantee fatass winning in 2020. There will be a gravy train rolling like none before it.

/bong speculation
 
2018-01-20 03:04:46 AM  

phygz: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: It's all going to depend on which faction stands to make more of a profit from pot legalization.  If the prison-industrial complex does, it will never be fully legal, but if legal weed's backers makes more, they'll win.

MAKE more.  Fat farking fingers and a mobile phone are a deadly combination.

2017: Marijuana Industry - about $8 billion / yr
2017: Private Prison Industry - about $5 billion / yr

By 2020, it won't even be close.  That $8 billion is about to double thanks to California, Delaware (soon), Illinois (soon), Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, and New Jersey (soon) coming online. I would not bet against some additional states voting to legalize this year and next.

I was just having this conversation the other day- once the hard numbers start consistently rolling in, Trump himself might tell the keebler elf to STFU, which will result in said elf either leaving in a huff or getting fired if he keeps going after the MJ industry.

This, by the way, would almost guarantee fatass winning in 2020. There will be a gravy train rolling like none before it.

/bong speculation


You might want to put down the bong if you seriously think D2S has a chance in hell of winning anything ever again but a sweet little cell for the rest of his gross, perverted life.
 
2018-01-20 04:17:20 AM  
etoof:  It's the same with weed. Money talks.

The beauty of the current situation is that the Feds can seize everything tainted by the pot trade.  They don't even have to arrest anybody.  "Oh, you're using that building or piece of land for a grow house or storefront? We'll be taking that.  The cash? Ours.  Vehicles used to transport it? Poof!   Gone.  You used drug money to buy a house or clothes for your kids?  Naughty, and now forfeit to the Federal government.  Want anything back? File suit and prove it's not tainted."

If you're a real estate guy and rent a storefront to a pot shop, you don't even have plausible deniability, so the Feds can seize it and all proceeds from it.

If you've really pissed them off, you and everyone you do business with can face both civil and criminal  RICO violations, and could be sent to prison.  Did you hire armed security to transport all of that cash, since it's a cash-only business?  That'll smart in court, and will add extra prison time.

Look, I used to sell machineguns when Janet Reno was running DoJ and while I was in undergrad.  I'm not risk-averse.  It's incredibly illegal under Federal law to produce, sell, possess, or consume marijuana.  There's not even a little bit of gray area for your defense attorneyto work with.  Sooner or later, somebodyis going to end up screwed to the wall as an example, and any State paperwork is not only not help, it'll be the nails in their coffins.
 
2018-01-20 08:00:15 AM  

dsmith42: forgotmydamnusername: fusillade762: Also: LSD shouldn't be Schedule 1 either.

Well, it's not particularly addictive since it barely works if you use it less than a week after a previous use, but it is powerful enough that you're pretty damned impaired while under the influence, and there is the potential to fark up spectacularly. Also no real medical use. Then again, I suppose much of the same rhetoric could be applied to alcohol as used by people in the habit of passing out in puddles of puke, and many people do find that chemical addictive. Never mind.

Psychedelics can be used to treat things like depression and OCD. But since they are schedule 1, of course their are not many studies because the government already decided by fiat that they don't work for treating any medical conditions.


Personal experience suggests they don't work for anything but entertainment.
 
2018-01-20 08:14:56 AM  

SkylineRecords: That's why many lawmakers are attempting to undercut the attorney general by penning letters directly to the president that gently urge him to remember his campaign pledge

Yeah, because if Donald Trump has one redeemable strength, it's sticking to his promises...


And reading.
 
2018-01-20 08:35:35 AM  

sno man: Canada is legalizing pot July 1st. In Ontario, all the grey market (mostly medicinal, with some oversupply) growers that have been growing for years are getting farked by the regulations and new start-ups by ex-[anti-pot]-police chiefs and other former Conservative anti-pot advocates. They're getting licences left and right. It's like the Libs in charge here want the whole thing to fail spectacularly.... But hello, hypocrisy on the Con side... MONEY TO BE MADE?!? I'M IN!!!! [but pot] yea so? [weren't you against that?] sure, why do you ask? [!!!]
Expect this model. A lot.


That's Ontario's fault, its up to each province on how they legalize it. From what I can tell here in BC things will continue howe they always been just expanding what current medical uses are allowed to everyone. There is a group who is fighting to ban home growing(its 4 adult plants per household or user, I forget), but I don't think they are getting any real traction.
 
2018-01-20 10:05:38 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: dsmith42: forgotmydamnusername: fusillade762: Also: LSD shouldn't be Schedule 1 either.

Well, it's not particularly addictive since it barely works if you use it less than a week after a previous use, but it is powerful enough that you're pretty damned impaired while under the influence, and there is the potential to fark up spectacularly. Also no real medical use. Then again, I suppose much of the same rhetoric could be applied to alcohol as used by people in the habit of passing out in puddles of puke, and many people do find that chemical addictive. Never mind.

Psychedelics can be used to treat things like depression and OCD. But since they are schedule 1, of course their are not many studies because the government already decided by fiat that they don't work for treating any medical conditions.

Personal experience suggests they don't work for anything but entertainment.


Anecdote? Well that trumps data every time.
 
2018-01-20 10:33:32 AM  
Milo Minderbinder is a character from the fictional novel Catch-22.   Minderbinder, a lieutenant in the US Army during WWII, is a war profiteer who continuously cooks-up schemes to make ever more money.  One of his schemes....an attempt to corner the European cotton market....goes bad and he's left facing financial ruin.   Minderbinder solves his problem by paying the Luftwaffe to bomb his air base and destroy his cotton stores so he can collect on the insurance.  In the process a lot of American soldiers are killed.  Minderbinder is court marshaled and a there is a congressional investigation.  The congressman are so impressed by Minderbinders business sense and the huge profits he's made, all charges against him are dropped.  One of the congressmen quipped, "The business of America is business."

So satire becomes reality....or was it America's reality from the very start?
 
2018-01-20 10:42:29 AM  
One thing legalization does is drive the prices down. This squeezes the small grower out, unless they have something special to sell. Worked for craft brewers.
 
2018-01-20 11:48:04 AM  

dsmith42: forgotmydamnusername: dsmith42: forgotmydamnusername: fusillade762: Also: LSD shouldn't be Schedule 1 either.

Well, it's not particularly addictive since it barely works if you use it less than a week after a previous use, but it is powerful enough that you're pretty damned impaired while under the influence, and there is the potential to fark up spectacularly. Also no real medical use. Then again, I suppose much of the same rhetoric could be applied to alcohol as used by people in the habit of passing out in puddles of puke, and many people do find that chemical addictive. Never mind.

Psychedelics can be used to treat things like depression and OCD. But since they are schedule 1, of course their are not many studies because the government already decided by fiat that they don't work for treating any medical conditions.

Personal experience suggests they don't work for anything but entertainment.

Anecdote? Well that trumps data every time.


What data? Schedule 1 means it can't readily be studied. I've only my tests on myself and observations of others to go on. Although the "acid casualties" one used to see in the Haight were probably actually crank casualties, I never saw psychedelics stabilize anyone who seemed to be drifting toward clinical mental illness, either.
 
2018-01-20 01:09:28 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: dsmith42: forgotmydamnusername: dsmith42: forgotmydamnusername: fusillade762: Also: LSD shouldn't be Schedule 1 either.

Well, it's not particularly addictive since it barely works if you use it less than a week after a previous use, but it is powerful enough that you're pretty damned impaired while under the influence, and there is the potential to fark up spectacularly. Also no real medical use. Then again, I suppose much of the same rhetoric could be applied to alcohol as used by people in the habit of passing out in puddles of puke, and many people do find that chemical addictive. Never mind.

Psychedelics can be used to treat things like depression and OCD. But since they are schedule 1, of course their are not many studies because the government already decided by fiat that they don't work for treating any medical conditions.

Personal experience suggests they don't work for anything but entertainment.

Anecdote? Well that trumps data every time.

What data? Schedule 1 means it can't readily be studied. I've only my tests on myself and observations of others to go on. Although the "acid casualties" one used to see in the Haight were probably actually crank casualties, I never saw psychedelics stabilize anyone who seemed to be drifting toward clinical mental illness, either.


The US is not the only place where research occurs. Also, schedule one drugs can be researched, but it is a total pain in the ass to get FDA approval. But it can be done.

Abstract
Objective: A recently published study showed the safety and efficacy of LSD-assisted psychotherapy in patients with anxiety associated with life-
threatening diseases. Participants of this study were included in a prospective follow-up.
Method: 12 months after finishing LSD psychotherapy, 10 participants were tested for anxiety (STAI) and participated in a semi-structured
interview. A Qualitative Content Analysis (QCA) was carried out on the interviews to elaborate about LSD effects and lasting psychological
changes.
Results: None of the participants reported lasting adverse reactions. The significant benefits as measured with the STAI were sustained over a
12-month period. In the QCA participants consistently reported insightful, cathartic and interpersonal experiences, accompanied by a reduction in
anxiety (77.8%) and a rise in quality of life (66.7%). Evaluations of subjective experiences suggest facilitated access to emotions, confrontation of
previously unknown anxieties, worries, resources and intense emotional peak experiences à la Maslow as major psychological working mechanisms. The
experiences created led to a restructuring of the person's emotional trust, situational understanding, habits and world view.
Conclusions: LSD administered in a medically supervised psychotherapeutic setting can be safe and generate lasting benefits in patients with a life-
threatening disease. Explanatory models for the therapeutic effects of LSD warrant further study.

http://www.maps.org/research/psilo-ls​d​/lsd-switzerland

That is one that is just LSD, but there are more for psilocybin. I know of one for OCD with it that was actually done in the US under FDA supervision.
 
2018-01-20 01:35:57 PM  

dsmith42: forgotmydamnusername: dsmith42: forgotmydamnusername: dsmith42: forgotmydamnusername: fusillade762: Also: LSD shouldn't be Schedule 1 either.

Well, it's not particularly addictive since it barely works if you use it less than a week after a previous use, but it is powerful enough that you're pretty damned impaired while under the influence, and there is the potential to fark up spectacularly. Also no real medical use. Then again, I suppose much of the same rhetoric could be applied to alcohol as used by people in the habit of passing out in puddles of puke, and many people do find that chemical addictive. Never mind.

Psychedelics can be used to treat things like depression and OCD. But since they are schedule 1, of course their are not many studies because the government already decided by fiat that they don't work for treating any medical conditions.

Personal experience suggests they don't work for anything but entertainment.

Anecdote? Well that trumps data every time.

What data? Schedule 1 means it can't readily be studied. I've only my tests on myself and observations of others to go on. Although the "acid casualties" one used to see in the Haight were probably actually crank casualties, I never saw psychedelics stabilize anyone who seemed to be drifting toward clinical mental illness, either.

The US is not the only place where research occurs. Also, schedule one drugs can be researched, but it is a total pain in the ass to get FDA approval. But it can be done.

Abstract
Objective: A recently published study showed the safety and efficacy of LSD-assisted psychotherapy in patients with anxiety associated with life-
threatening diseases. Participants of this study were included in a prospective follow-up.
Method: 12 months after finishing LSD psychotherapy, 10 participants were tested for anxiety (STAI) and participated in a semi-structured
interview. A Qualitative Content Analysis (QCA) was carried out on the interviews to elaborate about LSD effects and las ...


That's a pretty farking small sample, isn't it? if they'd gotten 100, I'm guessing they'd have seen a not statistically insignificant number of patients who responded adversely to the drug. Not at all a majority, mind you, because then there wouldn't be a much of a black market for the drug, which people have certainly been able to make a living selling. But probably enough that FDA approval would be iffy.
 
2018-01-20 05:18:11 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: dsmith42: forgotmydamnusername: dsmith42: forgotmydamnusername: dsmith42: forgotmydamnusername: fusillade762: Also: LSD shouldn't be Schedule 1 either.

Well, it's not particularly addictive since it barely works if you use it less than a week after a previous use, but it is powerful enough that you're pretty damned impaired while under the influence, and there is the potential to fark up spectacularly. Also no real medical use. Then again, I suppose much of the same rhetoric could be applied to alcohol as used by people in the habit of passing out in puddles of puke, and many people do find that chemical addictive. Never mind.

Psychedelics can be used to treat things like depression and OCD. But since they are schedule 1, of course their are not many studies because the government already decided by fiat that they don't work for treating any medical conditions.

Personal experience suggests they don't work for anything but entertainment.

Anecdote? Well that trumps data every time.

What data? Schedule 1 means it can't readily be studied. I've only my tests on myself and observations of others to go on. Although the "acid casualties" one used to see in the Haight were probably actually crank casualties, I never saw psychedelics stabilize anyone who seemed to be drifting toward clinical mental illness, either.

The US is not the only place where research occurs. Also, schedule one drugs can be researched, but it is a total pain in the ass to get FDA approval. But it can be done.

Abstract
Objective: A recently published study showed the safety and efficacy of LSD-assisted psychotherapy in patients with anxiety associated with life-
threatening diseases. Participants of this study were included in a prospective follow-up.
Method: 12 months after finishing LSD psychotherapy, 10 participants were tested for anxiety (STAI) and participated in a semi-structured
interview. A Qualitative Content Analysis (QCA) was carried out on the interviews to elaborate about LSD effec ...


Well then another great reason to take it off Schedule 1.
 
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