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(CBC)   Canadian airline troll goes to the Supreme Court for the rights of the person sitting next to you to engulf your armrest with their ass   ( cbc.ca) divider line
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2018-01-19 05:10:31 PM  
Lukacs claims bumping obese or disabled passengers is "inhumane," and contradicts Canada's one-person, one-fare policy introduced in 2008.

The rule requires airlines to cover costs on domestic flights for people with disabilities who are accompanied by an attendant or need additional seating.


I don't understand. Is he making the argument that obesity is a disability, like being blind or having ALS?

Oh, and also:

"Once I was alone I began to cry," Lukacs said Friday, hours after the ruling.

Uh-huh. Sure you did. You brave, noble soul, so nobly holding in your emotions until the moment you were alone and it would make a more cinematic story to tell. Who do you think should play you in the movie?
 
2018-01-19 06:02:01 PM  
I've followed Gabor for a few years and also emailed back and forth. We share an interest in law. Not only is this man a genuine hero for air passenger rights, he is a really nice person. He has no legal background and is a mathematics professor (PhD at age 20) who has now held the airline industries feet to the flames.

I watched him argue his case before the Supreme Court of Canada and he held his own as an unrepresented litigant. He was not arguing about his own obesity (he is not) but wanted standing on behalf of obese travellers as well as those with disabilities. Most Canadian airlines have acted positively on his efforts, but Delta 'wanted to put him in his place'.

I was delighted to hear of the results today, and even though it goes back to the CTA, the partial win means the Gabor has further shown that the Canadian public should be treated fairly and that the "little guy" can affect change.
 
2018-01-19 07:54:35 PM  
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2018-01-19 08:03:11 PM  
How polite of him.
 
2018-01-19 08:03:37 PM  
Out of my character but I'm going to side with that people here. Because I would like God damn bigger seats on the God damn airplanes god dammit.
 
2018-01-19 08:03:38 PM  
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2018-01-19 08:03:38 PM  
Another fat shaming thread. Don't fat people have enough on their plates already?
 
2018-01-19 08:09:45 PM  

Acidicnads: Out of my character but I'm going to side with that people here. Because I would like God damn bigger seats on the God damn airplanes god dammit.


I have no problem with the size of the seats but some legroom would be nice. Where is the advocate for people afflicted with being over 4' tall?
 
2018-01-19 08:11:19 PM  

Starkaryen: Another fat shaming thread. Don't fat people have enough on their plates already?


Yes. And have had too much for too many years.
/obviously
 
2018-01-19 08:11:39 PM  

Acidicnads: Out of my character but I'm going to side with that people here. Because I would like God damn bigger seats on the God damn airplanes god dammit.


There's already bigger seats on airplanes.

 It's called Business and First Class.
 
2018-01-19 08:14:56 PM  
I'm a delta platinum member and so I get to board first, despite flying economy. I board and put my two carry ons and jacket in the bin above. I then take my seat, usually exit row, and as a signal of dominance, immediately fully recline my seat as the other passengers board.

I wait until we're taxing and the stewardess insists that I put my seat up before I do. Then when we reach altitude I put on my eye shades and recline and pretend to sleep as another signal of dominance.

When they serve dinner I wait until the stewardess tells me to put my seat up before I do, usually after some arguing and pointing at other passengers who obviously have their seats up but I insist that they don't.

Suck it silver members.
 
2018-01-19 08:17:42 PM  
Fat hate vs. airline hate?

That's potential popcorn thread material.
 
2018-01-19 08:18:59 PM  

comrade: I'm a delta platinum member and so I get to board first, despite flying economy. I board and put my two carry ons and jacket in the bin above. I then take my seat, usually exit row, and as a signal of dominance, immediately fully recline my seat as the other passengers board.

I wait until we're taxing and the stewardess insists that I put my seat up before I do. Then when we reach altitude I put on my eye shades and recline and pretend to sleep as another signal of dominance.

When they serve dinner I wait until the stewardess tells me to put my seat up before I do, usually after some arguing and pointing at other passengers who obviously have their seats up but I insist that they don't.

Suck it silver members.


The next time I see someone doing that I'll ask if their FARK handle is "comrade."
 
2018-01-19 08:19:20 PM  
You have to be huge to be a problem, seriously I am about 50 pounds too heavy now and I fit comfortably for myself and the people in the seats next to me.  Seriously how big are you to need an extra seat?
 
2018-01-19 08:19:28 PM  

RTOGUY: Acidicnads: Out of my character but I'm going to side with that people here. Because I would like God damn bigger seats on the God damn airplanes god dammit.

I have no problem with the size of the seats but some legroom would be nice. Where is the advocate for people afflicted with being over 4' tall?


Remember the good old days when the person in the window seat had to decide ass or crotch as they squeezed past to go to the bathroom?  Now everyone has to get up then get up again when the person comes back.
 
2018-01-19 08:22:12 PM  
FTA: Canadian Transportation Agency had refused to investigate 2014 Gabor Lukacs's complaint because he isn't obese

Yeah, yeah. 'Big-boned' and all that.
 
2018-01-19 08:23:02 PM  

interstellar_tedium: You have to be huge to be a problem, seriously I am about 50 pounds too heavy now and I fit comfortably for myself and the people in the seats next to me.  Seriously how big are you to need an extra seat?


I'm like 30 ponds too heavy and I know that I'm encroachjng on my neighbors. Either you're flying business or you're not as self-aware as you think.
 
2018-01-19 08:23:57 PM  

Boba Fettucini: Acidicnads: Out of my character but I'm going to side with that people here. Because I would like God damn bigger seats on the God damn airplanes god dammit.

There's already bigger seats on airplanes.

 It's called Business and First Class.


Can you spot me a few bucks?
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2018-01-19 08:27:15 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Lukacs claims bumping obese or disabled passengers is "inhumane," and contradicts Canada's one-person, one-fare policy introduced in 2008.

The rule requires airlines to cover costs on domestic flights for people with disabilities who are accompanied by an attendant or need additional seating.

I don't understand. Is he making the argument that obesity is a disability, like being blind or having ALS?


No, otherwise he would be asking the airlines for two seats for obese people. In fact, since many obese people have a condition, glandular or otherwise, I'm surprised he's not trying to claim obese people are handicapped. I think perhaps he should have tried that, and then airlines would be forced to give them two seats.

Why subby called him an "airline troll" I have no idea. No one else in this country stands up for airline passenger rights except him. Many people have gotten compensation they deserved because he helped them.

Airline passenger hero would have been more appropriate.

comrade: I'm a delta platinum member and so I get to board first, despite flying economy. I board and put my two carry ons and jacket in the bin above. I then take my seat, usually exit row, and as a signal of dominance, immediately fully recline my seat as the other passengers board.

I wait until we're taxing and the stewardess insists that I put my seat up before I do. Then when we reach altitude I put on my eye shades and recline and pretend to sleep as another signal of dominance.

When they serve dinner I wait until the stewardess tells me to put my seat up before I do, usually after some arguing and pointing at other passengers who obviously have their seats up but I insist that they don't.


One day, we're going to read about you getting your lights punched out by some other pissed off passenger, and if I realize it's you, I will be sure to laugh extra hearty.
 
2018-01-19 08:30:46 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Lukacs claims bumping obese or disabled passengers is "inhumane," and contradicts Canada's one-person, one-fare policy introduced in 2008.

The rule requires airlines to cover costs on domestic flights for people with disabilities who are accompanied by an attendant or need additional seating.

I don't understand. Is he making the argument that obesity is a disability, like being blind or having ALS?

Oh, and also:

"Once I was alone I began to cry," Lukacs said Friday, hours after the ruling.

Uh-huh. Sure you did. You brave, noble soul, so nobly holding in your emotions until the moment you were alone and it would make a more cinematic story to tell. Who do you think should play you in the movie?


As a woman of 6' 3" with muscular-skeletal issues, I can assure you that every one of my flights ends with me crying. In pain.
 
2018-01-19 08:32:04 PM  

gar1013: [i.imgur.com image 640x578]


Diagram is wrong.  She's in 2A talking to her even hotter GF in 2B.

They're on vacation while you are going cattle class on business trip where you'll be subjected to your boss throwing you under the bus every time the customer wants something stupid.
 
2018-01-19 08:36:01 PM  

Boba Fettucini: Acidicnads: Out of my character but I'm going to side with that people here. Because I would like God damn bigger seats on the God damn airplanes god dammit.

There's already bigger seats on airplanes.

 It's called Business and First Class.


Ding!

You don't have to buy the lowest fair... oh, I'm sorry, you are on a business trip.  Let's see, endure a hellish plane ride and keep my job or quit now and save my boss the 2 seconds to say "You're fired!".  Right.

/Fark off on the need to buy a business or FC ticket to get legroom.
 
2018-01-19 08:36:51 PM  

MadHatter500: gar1013: [i.imgur.com image 640x578]

Diagram is wrong.  She's in 2A talking to her even hotter GF in 2B.

They're on vacation while you are going cattle class on business trip where you'll be subjected to your boss throwing you under the bus they are driving every time the customer wants something stupid.


FTFY.
 
2018-01-19 08:38:45 PM  
1 and a half does not go into 1

1.5/1 still needs 1.5 seats
 
2018-01-19 08:39:06 PM  
come on Delta..you were doing it right. I love the crack down on BS 'service animals' on the plane.  But now you do this?
 
2018-01-19 08:39:51 PM  
They have (or used to have) metal cages to see if carry on luggage was oversize. Do the same for humans.
If you can you fit through this frame, you can fit into one of our seats.

It's not about fat shaming, it's about simple physics. A 24" wide human will not fit into an 18" wide airline seat.

Depending on the country you either buy an upgrade or have one provided by the airline.
 
2018-01-19 08:41:53 PM  

comrade: interstellar_tedium: You have to be huge to be a problem, seriously I am about 50 pounds too heavy now and I fit comfortably for myself and the people in the seats next to me.  Seriously how big are you to need an extra seat?

I'm like 30 ponds too heavy and I know that I'm encroachjng on my neighbors. Either you're flying business or you're not as self-aware as you think.


Dude I ain't spilling over...maybe it is the fact a lot of my weight ain't in my gut or butt.  But still you really  30 pounds over and are spilling over the armrest, what you have Trump's scale?
 
2018-01-19 08:44:01 PM  
God save us from the social justice worrier.
 
2018-01-19 08:44:12 PM  

comrade: interstellar_tedium: You have to be huge to be a problem, seriously I am about 50 pounds too heavy now and I fit comfortably for myself and the people in the seats next to me.  Seriously how big are you to need an extra seat?

I'm like 30 ponds too heavy and I know that I'm encroachjng on my neighbors. Either you're flying business or you're not as self-aware as you think.


How much extra girth-per-pound you gain is fairly dependent on one's height, I would think.
 
2018-01-19 08:45:01 PM  

Starkaryen: Another fat shaming thread. Don't fat people have enough on their plates already?


Oh hush up, you short-ass bundle of pipe-cleaners.
 
2018-01-19 08:45:49 PM  

Starkaryen: Another fat shaming thread. Don't fat people have enough on their plates already?


To start with, sure.
 
2018-01-19 08:46:58 PM  

RTOGUY: Acidicnads: Out of my character but I'm going to side with that people here. Because I would like God damn bigger seats on the God damn airplanes god dammit.

I have no problem with the size of the seats but some legroom would be nice. Where is the advocate for people afflicted with being over 4' tall?


There you go, flaunting your tallness.
 
2018-01-19 08:47:53 PM  

interstellar_tedium: comrade: interstellar_tedium: You have to be huge to be a problem, seriously I am about 50 pounds too heavy now and I fit comfortably for myself and the people in the seats next to me.  Seriously how big are you to need an extra seat?

I'm like 30 ponds too heavy and I know that I'm encroachjng on my neighbors. Either you're flying business or you're not as self-aware as you think.

Dude I ain't spilling over...maybe it is the fact a lot of my weight ain't in my gut or butt.  But still you really  30 pounds over and are spilling over the armrest, what you have Trump's scale?


I have wide shoulders and my shoulders and elbows go outside my zone.

My wife is a petite 5' and every time she's forced to fly economy she complains about doofus white guys encroachjng on her space. I of course encroach on her space when we fly together so she never gets a break.

She doesn't like USA first class because her feet can't touch the floor so her legs fall asleep. So cute.
 
2018-01-19 08:48:51 PM  

comrade: I'm like 30 ponds too heavy and I know that I'm encroachjng on my neighbors.


Also, that seems really unlikely unless you're like 5ft-nuthin or something. Maybe even then. I'm probably 20 or 25lbs over my ideal weight and, at 5'11", I ain't skinny anymore but I'm definitely NOT fat.
 
2018-01-19 08:52:03 PM  

RTOGUY: Acidicnads: Out of my character but I'm going to side with that people here. Because I would like God damn bigger seats on the God damn airplanes god dammit.

I have no problem with the size of the seats but some legroom would be nice. Where is the advocate for people afflicted with being over 4' tall?


Business class
 
2018-01-19 08:52:17 PM  
gar1013:
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Ha ha.  That was MY seat until they bumped me and made me move to 5B.
 
2018-01-19 08:54:01 PM  
I'm fat and always fly business class so that I don't annoy other people.
 
2018-01-19 09:23:09 PM  
I just wish the governments would step back in and regulate the airlines. It's obvious they are colluding monopolies. Regulate seat sizes to what they used to be. Not everyone is the size of a nine yr old with hyperthyroidism. Increased fines and penalties for bumped passengers or delayed flights. None of this blaming the weather unless the FAA authorizes it in advance. Bring back at least 1 checked bag free and require free carrryons. None of this nickel and diming BS.

Chuck the whole of TSA they are farking useless. Have security on every flight. 9/11 isn't happening again and it isn't because of better security it's that people are not sheep going to be slaughtered anymore.

Regulate fares, forbid overbooking and make flying great again.
 
2018-01-19 09:24:10 PM  

sardonicobserver: comrade: I'm a delta platinum member and so I get to board first, despite flying economy. I board and put my two carry ons and jacket in the bin above. I then take my seat, usually exit row, and as a signal of dominance, immediately fully recline my seat as the other passengers board.

I wait until we're taxing and the stewardess insists that I put my seat up before I do. Then when we reach altitude I put on my eye shades and recline and pretend to sleep as another signal of dominance.

When they serve dinner I wait until the stewardess tells me to put my seat up before I do, usually after some arguing and pointing at other passengers who obviously have their seats up but I insist that they don't.

Suck it silver members.

The next time I see someone doing that I'll ask if their FARK handle is "comrade."


He's bullshiatting. Don't feed.
 
2018-01-19 09:25:11 PM  

interstellar_tedium: You have to be huge to be a problem, seriously I am about 50 pounds too heavy now and I fit comfortably for myself and the people in the seats next to me.  Seriously how big are you to need an extra seat?


I am far from elfin myself but fit ok. So Imma go out on a limb here and say "very".

/I hope it's a big limb
 
2018-01-19 09:26:37 PM  

comrade: interstellar_tedium: comrade: interstellar_tedium: You have to be huge to be a problem, seriously I am about 50 pounds too heavy now and I fit comfortably for myself and the people in the seats next to me.  Seriously how big are you to need an extra seat?

I'm like 30 ponds too heavy and I know that I'm encroachjng on my neighbors. Either you're flying business or you're not as self-aware as you think.

Dude I ain't spilling over...maybe it is the fact a lot of my weight ain't in my gut or butt.  But still you really  30 pounds over and are spilling over the armrest, what you have Trump's scale?

I have wide shoulders and my shoulders and elbows go outside my zone.

My wife is a petite 5' and every time she's forced to fly economy she complains about doofus white guys encroachjng on her space. I of course encroach on her space when we fly together so she never gets a break.

She doesn't like USA first class because her feet can't touch the floor so her legs fall asleep. So cute.


Wide shoulders ain't fat dude which is what were talking about for most of these folks, 100+ pounds of blubber oozing over into the next seat either above the armrest for the gut or below for the ass.
 
2018-01-19 09:37:03 PM  

interstellar_tedium: comrade: interstellar_tedium: comrade: interstellar_tedium: You have to be huge to be a problem, seriously I am about 50 pounds too heavy now and I fit comfortably for myself and the people in the seats next to me.  Seriously how big are you to need an extra seat?

I'm like 30 ponds too heavy and I know that I'm encroachjng on my neighbors. Either you're flying business or you're not as self-aware as you think.

Dude I ain't spilling over...maybe it is the fact a lot of my weight ain't in my gut or butt.  But still you really  30 pounds over and are spilling over the armrest, what you have Trump's scale?

I have wide shoulders and my shoulders and elbows go outside my zone.

My wife is a petite 5' and every time she's forced to fly economy she complains about doofus white guys encroachjng on her space. I of course encroach on her space when we fly together so she never gets a break.

She doesn't like USA first class because her feet can't touch the floor so her legs fall asleep. So cute.

Wide shoulders ain't fat dude which is what were talking about for most of these folks, 100+ pounds of blubber oozing over into the next seat either above the armrest for the gut or below for the ass.


Don't forget the huge arm saddles.
 
2018-01-19 10:00:34 PM  

Dodger: jtown: RTOGUY: Acidicnads: Out of my character but I'm going to side with that people here. Because I would like God damn bigger seats on the God damn airplanes god dammit.

I have no problem with the size of the seats but some legroom would be nice. Where is the advocate for people afflicted with being over 4' tall?

Remember the good old days when the person in the window seat had to decide ass or crotch as they squeezed past to go to the bathroom?  Now everyone has to get up then get up again when the person comes back.

I'll bet wiggling-past-nose ass/crotch sear-shifting has accounted for a non-zero number of long-term relationships... Maybe theatre too. There aughtabe a study.


Well, there was this one.

Fight Club Tyler Durden Ass or the Crotch ?
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2018-01-19 10:01:18 PM  
Things must be different up there in the great white north.   Down here in 'murica you can't sue for something that happens/might happen to someone else.
 
2018-01-19 10:05:33 PM  

Archie Goodwin: It's not about fat shaming, it's about simple physics. A 24" wide human will not fit into an 18" wide airline seat.


I had to doublecheck that, but yeah, turns out American is 18 inches wide between the armrests, and they're among the widest.  For comparison, these seats are also 18 inches wide:

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2018-01-19 10:09:24 PM  

rnatalie: Things must be different up there in the great white north.   Down here in 'murica you can't sue for something that happens/might happen to someone else.


It's actually that way in a lot of countries.  I believe Germany lets you bring a case on behalf of another party as well.
 
2018-01-19 10:15:04 PM  
You'd think the airlines would have sympathy for disabilities -  they obviously believe that most of their passengers are handicapped.
What with the airlines assuming that 2 out of every 3 people in coach are missing an arm.
Hence those economy seats with only 4 armrests for 3 people...
 
2018-01-19 10:40:03 PM  
Oh, this is your armrest?

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2018-01-19 10:57:46 PM  
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/but don't take a plane to get there
 
2018-01-19 10:57:57 PM  

sardonicobserver: comrade: I'm a delta platinum member and so I get to board first, despite flying economy. I board and put my two carry ons and jacket in the bin above. I then take my seat, usually exit row, and as a signal of dominance, immediately fully recline my seat as the other passengers board.

I wait until we're taxing and the stewardess insists that I put my seat up before I do. Then when we reach altitude I put on my eye shades and recline and pretend to sleep as another signal of dominance.

When they serve dinner I wait until the stewardess tells me to put my seat up before I do, usually after some arguing and pointing at other passengers who obviously have their seats up but I insist that they don't.

Suck it silver members.

The next time I see someone doing that I'll ask if their FARK handle is "comrade."


and i'll be the guy behind you shoving your seat and purposely making your flight a living hell.
 
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