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2018-01-18 11:11:24 PM  
It's not a bad idea, at all.  It would actually make sense for insurance companies to rebate cab rides for everyone.  If I'm sick enough I'm not going to work, I probably shouldn't be driving in the first place.
 
2018-01-18 11:48:56 PM  
'Murica.
 
2018-01-19 12:22:49 AM  
I took a cab to the hospital once when I was having a really bad asthma attack. Saved a shiatload of money and didn't even die!
 
2018-01-19 12:46:36 AM  
World's best health care, ladies and gentlemen. Take a cab to the ER.  #MAGA
 
2018-01-19 01:37:37 AM  
Lots cheaper. Plus considering how often I've been offered drugs by cabbies, I assume they're reasonably licensed for this profession.
 
2018-01-19 01:40:04 AM  
Taxis? Sure, if you're rich. The reat of us have to settle for a Lyft.
 
2018-01-19 01:41:07 AM  
As long as the cabs are responding to low level shiat; I don't see a problem.
 
2018-01-19 01:50:01 AM  
So what's next...when you call 911 for the police, instead of actual cops, you get the self-proclaimed privateer neighborhood watch like George Zimmerman or that tactical guy from the internet?
 
2018-01-19 01:50:16 AM  
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2018-01-19 01:54:53 AM  
Cabs are an awesome alternative to expensive ambulance rides. If you break your hip, you need an ambulance. But there are other circumstances where a taxi would suffice. Cheaper too. But do taxi's want the responsibility of someone getting sick or dying in their cab. Probably not.

BTW..The price of an ambulance ride in this country is insane. My husband needed one. The bill for the ambulance was $1,000. Insurance paid almost all of it. I think we had a $100 copay. But stil....$1,0000?

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2018-01-19 01:55:56 AM  
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2018-01-19 01:56:56 AM  
Poor people, who often have no other way to get medical treatment of any kind, will call 911 for minor issues, fire officials say.

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Have an older impoverished friend who uses the ER for everything. To his credit though, he takes the bus there on his own dime.
 
2018-01-19 01:59:58 AM  

seelorq: So what's next...when you call 911 for the police, instead of actual cops, you get the self-proclaimed privateer neighborhood watch like George Zimmerman or that tactical guy from the internet?


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2018-01-19 02:04:48 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Poor people, who often have no other way to get medical treatment of any kind, will call 911 for minor issues, fire officials say.

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Have an older impoverished friend who uses the ER for everything. To his credit though, he takes the bus there on his own dime.


Nope.  I was told the ACA would make sure everybody got to see the doctor.  Add in Medicare, there's no way the poor or old could fall through the cracks...

/sarcasm
 
2018-01-19 02:11:18 AM  
The cabbies need a CPR course and liability waiver for these calls.
 
2018-01-19 02:11:44 AM  
Ambulance wait times are so long where I live that most people just call a cab themselves. Better to get to the hospital in 10 minutes without a paramedic than to wait six hours for the ambulance.

A guy in the city where my wife went to law school waited 4 days for an ambulance. He was 90 years old. (It wasn't as bad as it sounds because the ambulance was actually to take him away from the hospital, but still...)

/at least our ambulances are free?
 
2018-01-19 02:17:01 AM  
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2018-01-19 02:22:57 AM  

girlygirlmpls: Cabs are an awesome alternative to expensive ambulance rides. If you break your hip, you need an ambulance. But there are other circumstances where a taxi would suffice. Cheaper too. But do taxi's want the responsibility of someone getting sick or dying in their cab. Probably not.

BTW..The price of an ambulance ride in this country is insane. My husband needed one. The bill for the ambulance was $1,000. Insurance paid almost all of it. I think we had a $100 copay. But stil....$1,0000?

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Please understand that you called an ambulance because you were in a situation that you or your husband were unable to handle and you needed some assistance. The people who show up are medically trained professionals. They are required to rapidly interpret situations and make a treatment plan for the patient (in your case, your husband) without the aid of the machines in the ER, and many times without having to consult physicians for a treatment plan (not having to consult a physician is rare in other areas of medicine, but standard in many advanced EMS agencies). There is a cost associated with keeping EMT's and paramedics trained and keeping the ambulance stocked for the myriad of emergencies that arise every day. $1000 is actually relatively cheap for an ambulance ride. I hope your husband was treated well. I know that ambulance rides are very scary things, and having to call for one is very scary as well.
*Anecdotal evidence, I have worked as a paramedic for 11 years
 
2018-01-19 02:28:31 AM  
Poor people, who often have no other way to get medical treatment of any kind, will call 911 for minor issues, fire officials say. They say the program savesindividuals in non-emergency conditions from an expensive ambulance ride and frees fire crews for more life-threatening situations.

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Ambulances are typically paid for by the patient or insurance companies, but Phoenix is usually unsuccessful in collecting about 15 percent of the cost, or $5.2 million in revenue. An average taxi ride costs the city about $11.60, while an ambulance ride costs between $800 and $900, plus an additional $18 per mile, according to city of Phoenix figures.

Any time a 911 call is dispatched, a trained crew, including a captain, engineer and two firefighters, will respond. Two of these four are paramedics, who are able to administer advanced life support. The others are EMTs, who can deliver basic medical treatment.

The crew typically will take the person's vital signs and determine whether he or she needs to go to the emergency department in an ambulance. If the crew deems that the person doesn't, there are other options: The individual can stay where he or she is, can get a ride to medical treatment with a family member or friend, or can have the Fire Department dispatch center call for a taxi.


This sounds like an entirely reasonable way to save money and get people the appropriate level of care.
 
2018-01-19 02:28:47 AM  
Sometimes the cabbies are unable to provide the necessary service. Other times, they just...Nope.

FTA: Phoenix firefighters visited Roger Lehman twice at a south Phoenix gas station in the 12 hours before his death.

According to the police report, the unit learned that the taxi previously called for Lehman had refused to transport the 70-year-old man because he had defecated on himself.


You've gotta draw the line somewhere, that's probably a good place.
 
2018-01-19 02:32:39 AM  

girlygirlmpls: Cabs are an awesome alternative to expensive ambulance rides. If you break your hip, you need an ambulance. But there are other circumstances where a taxi would suffice. Cheaper too. But do taxi's want the responsibility of someone getting sick or dying in their cab. Probably not.

BTW..The price of an ambulance ride in this country is insane. My husband needed one. The bill for the ambulance was $1,000. Insurance paid almost all of it. I think we had a $100 copay. But stil....$1,0000?

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It's $240 here if the doctor deems not medically necessary, it's free otherwise.

Or "free" since it's rolled into the taxes.
 
2018-01-19 02:36:30 AM  
Not Cool Story.  Working as Crisis Intervention Specialist in Phoenix.  Had a guy who drank a couple cups of Bleach.  We called Paramedics.  Took  about 20 minutes for the Fire Engine to arrive then another 10 for them to decide "Well gosh, this guy is about dead."  So then they call for the ambulance.  Officially he got to the hospital before he died.
On a side note don't drink Bleach.
Not a fan of Phoenix FD.
 
2018-01-19 03:08:21 AM  

foo monkey: World's best health care, ladies and gentlemen. Take a cab to the ER.  #MAGA


There are a lot of people who don't think anyone has a right to health care. A guy once told me "Can some guy walk in to a restaurant and eat some food and not pay because he has the right to food? No, if he wants to eat he has to pay, why should he have a right to free health care?".

So to people like that, the guying dying in that gas station is to blame, not the system. I'd rather our country is not one where people are left to die in gas stations after they've called for help, but that's cause I'm a softie.
 
2018-01-19 03:18:02 AM  
I needed to go to the ER four times between Nov. 17 and Dec. 1. Each time, Uber arrived within 10 minutes * and got me there within 10 minutes. The return trips were equally efficient. None of the trips cost me more than five bucks.

* The Uber I needed at 3:00 a.m. on a Saturday arrived in 2 minutes flat. I was impressed!
 
2018-01-19 03:28:03 AM  
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2018-01-19 03:29:09 AM  

Birnone: foo monkey: World's best health care, ladies and gentlemen. Take a cab to the ER.  #MAGA

There are a lot of people who don't think anyone has a right to health care. A guy once told me "Can some guy walk in to a restaurant and eat some food and not pay because he has the right to food? No, if he wants to eat he has to pay, why should he have a right to free health care?".

So to people like that, the guying dying in that gas station is to blame, not the system. I'd rather our country is not one where people are left to die in gas stations after they've called for help, but that's cause I'm a softie.


In my country, there are many restaurants where you can actually do this. Traditionally, you could always get a bowl of soup and bread for free if you were poor. Because we do believe that people have the right to food. You don't get free steak (those my dog has managed that on occasion) but you get something. My point is not that my poor-ass country is better (it's manifestly not in too many ways to count) but rather that that guy's mindset is not some hard and fast rule, even about restaurants. The fact that he is taking it for granted doesn't mean that it's some sort of universal absolute.
 
2018-01-19 03:29:32 AM  
gah. though, not those.
 
2018-01-19 03:38:05 AM  
I intentionally choose not to live in Phoenix.
 
2018-01-19 03:46:21 AM  
I notice a few of you are whining about "American Healthcare"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilto​n​/code-zero-1.4231984

You were saying something?
 
2018-01-19 03:51:49 AM  

Hikenin: girlygirlmpls: Cabs are an awesome alternative to expensive ambulance rides. If you break your hip, you need an ambulance. But there are other circumstances where a taxi would suffice. Cheaper too. But do taxi's want the responsibility of someone getting sick or dying in their cab. Probably not.

BTW..The price of an ambulance ride in this country is insane. My husband needed one. The bill for the ambulance was $1,000. Insurance paid almost all of it. I think we had a $100 copay. But stil....$1,0000?

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Please understand that you called an ambulance because you were in a situation that you or your husband were unable to handle and you needed some assistance. The people who show up are medically trained professionals. They are required to rapidly interpret situations and make a treatment plan for the patient (in your case, your husband) without the aid of the machines in the ER, and many times without having to consult physicians for a treatment plan (not having to consult a physician is rare in other areas of medicine, but standard in many advanced EMS agencies). There is a cost associated with keeping EMT's and paramedics trained and keeping the ambulance stocked for the myriad of emergencies that arise every day. $1000 is actually relatively cheap for an ambulance ride. I hope your husband was treated well. I know that ambulance rides are very scary things, and having to call for one is very scary as well.
*Anecdotal evidence, I have worked as a paramedic for 11 years


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2018-01-19 04:19:52 AM  
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2018-01-19 04:29:02 AM  
Last Saturday I waited 45 minutes for an ambulance to arrive to take the wife and I to our dinner reservation.
 
2018-01-19 04:47:04 AM  
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2018-01-19 05:39:03 AM  
Don't feed it.
 
2018-01-19 05:59:35 AM  
That isn't stupid. Expensive acute services should be retained for those people who really need them. You don't need an ambulance if you've sprained your ankle, you need an ambulance if your heart had to be restarted.
 
2018-01-19 06:17:04 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: I needed to go to the ER four times between Nov. 17 and Dec. 1. Each time, Uber arrived within 10 minutes * and got me there within 10 minutes. The return trips were equally efficient. None of the trips cost me more than five bucks.

* The Uber I needed at 3:00 a.m. on a Saturday arrived in 2 minutes flat. I was impressed!


how much would an ambulance ride have been those 4 times?  probably still would be paying that off.  While being able to get insurance is an issue, the cost of EVERYTHING in health care is absolutely ridiculous.
 
2018-01-19 06:17:17 AM  
Maybe we should return to the good old days when a hearse could also be used as an ambulance. We could save a lot of money by cutting out the middle man, (the hospital) and transport the patient directly to the funeral home.
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2018-01-19 06:29:30 AM  

Leandros A: Ambulance wait times are so long where I live that most people just call a cab themselves. Better to get to the hospital in 10 minutes without a paramedic than to wait six hours for the ambulance.

A guy in the city where my wife went to law school waited 4 days for an ambulance. He was 90 years old. (It wasn't as bad as it sounds because the ambulance was actually to take him away from the hospital, but still...)

/at least our ambulances are free?


Ambulances are free where I am too, but my advice would be to walk it off. Cabs will get you there, but then you'll just be misdiagnosed and given a bunch of medicine you don't need.
 
2018-01-19 06:43:11 AM  
What percentage of Phoenix's ambulance dispatches are for "frequent flyers"?
Many of non-emergency ambulance rides to a hospital are placing patients who really need to be transported by a ambulance in jeopardy.
The hard part for Dispatch is that they have to learn who calling for what reason.
But after awhile and several calls for the same person for the same reason, dispatch and the ambulance crews know.
As for cost of a ride, it looks really expensive until you start adding up what it costs to send a crewed ambulance out.
 
2018-01-19 07:34:44 AM  
We've been doing this here for at least 6 years now.
 
2018-01-19 07:35:17 AM  
...it's common for taxis called by the Fire Department not to show up.
Frank Piccioli, president of the Phoenix dispatchers' labor union, said he hears several complaints from dispatchers about people who call 911 repeatedly while waiting for their cab


That's just how taxis work in many cities. Time to sign up for Lyft or Uber - costs will be subsidized by investors and save a little money too.
 
2018-01-19 08:23:27 AM  
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2018-01-19 08:27:15 AM  
If you are well enough to take a taxi to the hospital you are well enough to take a taxi to the walk in clinic if they are open.
 
2018-01-19 08:29:45 AM  
1st world?  My @5S.
 
2018-01-19 08:56:50 AM  

Hikenin: girlygirlmpls: Cabs are an awesome alternative to expensive ambulance rides. If you break your hip, you need an ambulance. But there are other circumstances where a taxi would suffice. Cheaper too. But do taxi's want the responsibility of someone getting sick or dying in their cab. Probably not.

BTW..The price of an ambulance ride in this country is insane. My husband needed one. The bill for the ambulance was $1,000. Insurance paid almost all of it. I think we had a $100 copay. But stil....$1,0000?

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Please understand that you called an ambulance because you were in a situation that you or your husband were unable to handle and you needed some assistance. The people who show up are medically trained professionals. They are required to rapidly interpret situations and make a treatment plan for the patient (in your case, your husband) without the aid of the machines in the ER, and many times without having to consult physicians for a treatment plan (not having to consult a physician is rare in other areas of medicine, but standard in many advanced EMS agencies). There is a cost associated with keeping EMT's and paramedics trained and keeping the ambulance stocked for the myriad of emergencies that arise every day. $1000 is actually relatively cheap for an ambulance ride. I hope your husband was treated well. I know that ambulance rides are very scary things, and having to call for one is very scary as well.
*Anecdotal evidence, I have worked as a paramedic for 11 years


You are absolutely right. My husband (because of yrs of abuse as a college athlete) had a hip replacement at a fairly young age. He bent to pick something up and his artificial hip popped out. I had never seen him cry before. The EMTs knew just how to move him and gave him meds immediately. Trained professionals. They knew just what to do and how/how not to move him.
 
2018-01-19 08:58:32 AM  
Poor people, who often have no other way to get medical treatment of any kind, will call 911 for minor issues, fire officials say.

And since they're poor, they can't pay for the treatment anyway so the rest of us picking up the tab.  But there just isn't enough money to give everyone insurance.

/what's the right amount to tip a taxi driver taking you to the ER?
 
2018-01-19 09:28:02 AM  

girlygirlmpls: Hikenin: girlygirlmpls: Cabs are an awesome alternative to expensive ambulance rides. If you break your hip, you need an ambulance. But there are other circumstances where a taxi would suffice. Cheaper too. But do taxi's want the responsibility of someone getting sick or dying in their cab. Probably not.

BTW..The price of an ambulance ride in this country is insane. My husband needed one. The bill for the ambulance was $1,000. Insurance paid almost all of it. I think we had a $100 copay. But stil....$1,0000?

[img.fark.net image 300x168]

Please understand that you called an ambulance because you were in a situation that you or your husband were unable to handle and you needed some assistance. The people who show up are medically trained professionals. They are required to rapidly interpret situations and make a treatment plan for the patient (in your case, your husband) without the aid of the machines in the ER, and many times without having to consult physicians for a treatment plan (not having to consult a physician is rare in other areas of medicine, but standard in many advanced EMS agencies). There is a cost associated with keeping EMT's and paramedics trained and keeping the ambulance stocked for the myriad of emergencies that arise every day. $1000 is actually relatively cheap for an ambulance ride. I hope your husband was treated well. I know that ambulance rides are very scary things, and having to call for one is very scary as well.
*Anecdotal evidence, I have worked as a paramedic for 11 years

You are absolutely right. My husband (because of yrs of abuse as a college athlete) had a hip replacement at a fairly young age. He bent to pick something up and his artificial hip popped out. I had never seen him cry before. The EMTs knew just how to move him and gave him meds immediately. Trained professionals. They knew just what to do and how/how not to move him.


Which is why $1000. Keeping those two trained professionals on the clock whether they're busy or not, plus the two trained people yesterday and tomorrow, adds up. Ambulances themselves are expensive; $250k for a pickup/box model, probably a bit less for a van style. Insurance for running a medical service and insurance for operating an emergency vehicle, neither of which is cheap.

And I'd bet they still don't cover their costs through billing alone. If it's a private, for profit service they likely have some sort of contract with your town, or they want first dibs on higher-paying non-emergency transfers in your area and so keep ambulances in the general neighborhood. If it's a public agency, the taxes likely cover the difference.
 
2018-01-19 10:26:05 AM  

seelorq: So what's next...when you call 911 for the police, instead of actual cops, you get the self-proclaimed privateer neighborhood watch like George Zimmerman or that tactical guy from the internet?


They call that guy down the street, Dr. Trinecastle

In the mid 90s, Phoenix area company Southwest ambulance paid their folks $7.35 an hour. I doubt the pay has gotten much better. Your cabbie makes more.
 
2018-01-19 10:38:40 AM  

edmo: seelorq: So what's next...when you call 911 for the police, instead of actual cops, you get the self-proclaimed privateer neighborhood watch like George Zimmerman or that tactical guy from the internet?

They call that guy down the street, Dr. Trinecastle

In the mid 90s, Phoenix area company Southwest ambulance paid their folks $7.35 an hour. I doubt the pay has gotten much better. Your cabbie makes more.


I made $7.50/hr working for Southwest Ambulance from 2002-2004.  Phoenix FD medics were and are paid much more which is why SWA was a revolving door for anyone with a smidgen of talent/respect.
 
2018-01-19 10:45:57 AM  

Flashlight: If you are well enough to take a taxi to the hospital you are well enough to take a taxi to the walk in clinic if they are open.


Nope, your statement is just to general.  The time I got hit in the head at work, I was driven to a clinic first.  Because it was a head wound, I was turned away, and had to go to the ER.  It only took 3 staples.  There's also other services clinics don't do, like x-rays.
 
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