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(Some Guy with a conscious)   Voters who gave L.A. lawmakers billions of dollars to solve the the city's homeless crisis now wonder why tens of thousands of people are still sleeping on the streets. Hint: lawmakers had no intention of providing enough homeless shelters for them at all   ( dailywire.com) divider line
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2018-01-18 08:03:41 PM  
I hope posting this story has eased your conscious, subby.
 
2018-01-18 08:31:35 PM  
Unpossible.

California is run by proper-thinking liberals who care about problems such as this, and are elected by enlightened voters who always vote for the correct party.

It is a state with a booming economy, where none of the social policies enacted in the state have done any damage to wages or job growth.

And you're telling me that Utah, home to the only religion we're allowed to make fun of (Scientology excluded), is somehow better at reducing homelessness despite not being known for economic output beyond sending kids on missionary trips with bicycles?

Unpossible.
 
2018-01-18 08:49:19 PM  
I truly believe it will be this incessant greed, selfishness and hate of their fellow man that will be the death of this nation. Just as a living organism that is deprived of nourishment and care will wither and die, so will a society where there is no such thing as social welfare
 
2018-01-18 09:22:19 PM  
Oh, the Daily Russian Wire...you have no "conscious" subby. You are also not "woke".
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2018-01-18 09:25:24 PM  

SplittingAces: Oh, the Daily Russian Wire...you have no "conscious" subby. You are also not "woke".[img.fark.net image 425x519]


Jesus. Does Shapiro not know how to farking count?
 
2018-01-18 09:56:37 PM  
There are lots of homeless in every major city in CA.

They come here and camp out because generally they don't die of hypothermia if they sleep outside at night.

If I were homeless, you'd better believe I'd stay in CA.
 
2018-01-18 10:30:39 PM  

rcain: I truly believe it will be this incessant greed, selfishness and hate of their fellow man that will be the death of this nation. Just as a living organism that is deprived of nourishment and care will wither and die, so will a society where there is no such thing as social welfare


It will be greed, selfishness and hate that kills our species, not just the nation. The mindless pursuit of wealth at all costs is one of humanity's greatest flaws.
 
2018-01-18 10:39:15 PM  
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I truly don't understand how this mixup happens.

/sorry, pet peave
 
2018-01-18 10:43:38 PM  

Sheila_McSly: [img.fark.net image 400x301]
I truly don't understand how this mixup happens.

/sorry, pet peave


People don't read. They learn English by imitation.

Would of
All intensive purposes
Neither hear nor their
 
2018-01-18 10:43:47 PM  

make me some tea: There are lots of homeless in every major city in CA.

They come here and camp out because generally they don't die of hypothermia if they sleep outside at night.

If I were homeless, you'd better believe I'd stay in CA.


You might even get a free bus ticket from a neighboring state to do so if you were homeless.
 
2018-01-18 10:44:13 PM  

Sheila_McSly: [img.fark.net image 400x301]
I truly don't understand how this mixup happens.

/sorry, pet peave


BTW: it's "peeve."

/pet peave
 
2018-01-18 10:47:42 PM  

LordJiro: rcain: I truly believe it will be this incessant greed, selfishness and hate of their fellow man that will be the death of this nation. Just as a living organism that is deprived of nourishment and care will wither and die, so will a society where there is no such thing as social welfare

It will be greed, selfishness and hate that kills our species, not just the nation. The mindless pursuit of wealth at all costs is one of humanity's greatest flaws.


I have to agree. Freud says as much. People desire greatness above all else and in his book How to Win Friends and Influence People, Dale Carnegie expands upon that to point to the amass of wealth or any other asset or status that puts them above others. But if you pay attention to Dale Carnegie, that Achilles Heel can possibly be turned to an advantage if we could get off Capitalism and other Wealth based Societies and move towards a true Meritocracy where personal achievement and contribution to Society was praised and esteemed. That might seem implausible now, but not impossible -- a high ideal to strive for, but strive we must if we hope to survive and prosper
 
2018-01-18 10:52:28 PM  
1.4 billion dollars for 10,000 housing units?  No wonder they can't keep up.  Holy shiat, you can buy medium houses (3 bedroom, 2 bathroom, 1500 square foot) where I live for less.
 
2018-01-18 10:56:29 PM  

Emposter: 1.4 billion dollars for 10,000 housing units?  No wonder they can't keep up.  Holy shiat, you can buy medium houses (3 bedroom, 2 bathroom, 1500 square foot) where I live for less.


Not sure if serious. That's $140,000 for a new house in California.
 
2018-01-18 10:56:48 PM  

Sheila_McSly: [img.fark.net image 400x301]
I truly don't understand how this mixup happens.

/sorry, pet peave


The First Edition : Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In)
Youtube AULOC--qUOI
 
2018-01-18 10:57:13 PM  
Homelessness is by and large a problem that cannot be fixed simply by throwing money at it or increasing the amount of housing available.  A lot of homeless have no desire to be anything other than homeless and unless you can fix that you cannot fix the homeless issue.
 
2018-01-18 10:58:02 PM  
Also, subby is an illiterate dipstick.
 
2018-01-18 11:00:27 PM  
How many times do we need to go over this?  It has GREEN right in the name, which I hear is big in L.A.

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2018-01-18 11:01:56 PM  

gar1013: Unpossible.

California is run by proper-thinking liberals who care about problems such as this, and are elected by enlightened voters who always vote for the correct party.

It is a state with a booming economy, where none of the social policies enacted in the state have done any damage to wages or job growth.

And you're telling me that Utah, home to the only religion we're allowed to make fun of (Scientology excluded), is somehow better at reducing homelessness despite not being known for economic output beyond sending kids on missionary trips with bicycles?

Unpossible.


*shrug*

Utah is the only state that's willing to invest a whole lot of money on the front-end causes of homelessness: mental illness, substance abuse, and their concomitant fallout of broken homes and single-parent households buried in debt.

Their social services spend literally hours on each family, getting them to doctors appointments, therapy sessions, court hearings, following up on missed visits, getting their cases the help they cannot or will not, at first, get for themselves. It's a massive undertaking.

Other states seem unwilling to get that intrusive into people's lives; or perhaps their cases won't let them. Could be both, most likely. If a homeless person is not willing to be hauled bodily to a doctor's office or a courtroom, as I know the Utah social workers have done, then it's hard to say which approach is "wrong".
 
2018-01-18 11:02:14 PM  
3 trailers for millions of dollars, housing 67 people? Three separate trailers so they must be single sides. I guess 22 people is possible if it's designed as a barracks style but really I think I'd opt for a semiprivate tent instead.

And three trailers shouldn't cost more than $40,000 each if they are configured that way.
 
2018-01-18 11:09:12 PM  

gar1013: California is run by proper-thinking liberals who care about problems such as this, and are elected by enlightened voters who always vote for the correct party.


Somebody DNRTFA.

"In New York, according to a 2016 report by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, on any given night that January, 96% of the city's 70,685 homeless were sheltered."

New York is also run by Democrats.

Perhaps you might explain what the Plutocrat Party plans to do about the problem. And no, more tax cuts for billionaires won't do it.
 
2018-01-18 11:09:32 PM  

gar1013: Unpossible.

California is run by proper-thinking liberals who care about problems such as this, and are elected by enlightened voters who always vote for the correct party.

It is a state with a booming economy, where none of the social policies enacted in the state have done any damage to wages or job growth.

And you're telling me that Utah, home to the only religion we're allowed to make fun of (Scientology excluded), is somehow better at reducing homelessness despite not being known for economic output beyond sending kids on missionary trips with bicycles?

Unpossible.


Eatabageatabageatabaga:

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/93808​6​0
 
2018-01-18 11:10:45 PM  

a particular individual: Sheila_McSly: [img.fark.net image 400x301]
I truly don't understand how this mixup happens.

/sorry, pet peave

People don't read. They learn English by imitation.

Would of
All intensive purposes
Neither hear nor their


Doggy dog world
 
2018-01-18 11:14:54 PM  
 
2018-01-18 11:16:51 PM  
And by "billions of dollars" they mean in November 2016 LA voters approved $1.2 billion in bonds to be issued over 10 years.

Here is an actual analysis of some of the hurdles the city is facing  in spending the bond money.
(The TL;DNR is that these programs just don't appear overnight.)
 
2018-01-18 11:20:20 PM  

fusillade762: I hope posting this story has eased your conscious, subby.


Subby, I respect your 'concious'.
My question (because I'm a nitpicker who notices petty little shiat like this) is whether you are CONSCIOUS that there is indeed a problem here ....
or that your CONSCIENCE (Freud called it the 'super ego'...aka 'the still, small voice of...well, call it Deity') is bothered by it?

Either way, rawk on....
 
2018-01-18 11:20:44 PM  
It doesn't help that other states put their homeless on buses and ships them to California.

Thanks South Park.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loca​l​/Nevada-Settles-Homeless-Dumping-Lawsu​it-369736411.html
 
2018-01-18 11:21:49 PM  
We're 6 years from this, according to the Star Trek timeline:

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2018-01-18 11:23:43 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Utah is the only state that's willing to invest a whole lot of money on the front-end causes of homelessness: mental illness, substance abuse, and their concomitant fallout of broken homes and single-parent households buried in debt.

Their social services spend literally hours on each family, getting them to doctors appointments, therapy sessions, court hearings, following up on missed visits, getting their cases the help they cannot or will not, at first, get for themselves. It's a massive undertaking.


Yup. 

It's everything else around homelessness that's the problem. The unaffordability of it is just a small sliver, and can actually be rather easily handled (online K-12 education--cost of housing is because families are bidding themselves into massive debt trying to get their kids into the best school districts). 

The mental illness thing is a big one. The cops have literally no where they can take these people to get them help, so it's only shunting from one neighborhood to another. If I could have gotten proper help sooner, it wouldn't have taken me 11 years to become half-way functional. Hopefully once we get single-payer that aspect of homelessness will be addressed appropriately.
 
2018-01-18 11:23:48 PM  

quo vadimus: a particular individual: Sheila_McSly: [img.fark.net image 400x301]
I truly don't understand how this mixup happens.

/sorry, pet peave

People don't read. They learn English by imitation.

Would of
All intensive purposes
Neither hear nor their

Doggy dog world


Listen, you tow the line, buddy. I've been pouring over these comments, and for all intensive purposes, your just stuck on the principal, not the meaning.
 
2018-01-18 11:26:05 PM  
Quick, check to see if the tobacco tax revenue is really going into public schools.
 
2018-01-18 11:33:14 PM  

Krieghund: And by "billions of dollars" they mean in November 2016 LA voters approved $1.2 billion in bonds to be issued over 10 years.

Here is an actual analysis of some of the hurdles the city is facing  in spending the bond money.
(The TL;DNR is that these programs just don't appear overnight.)


You mean about a year after voters approved 10 years of funding for a problem, the solution hasn't happened yet?

Shocking.
 
2018-01-18 11:37:46 PM  

Peki: Gyrfalcon: Utah is the only state that's willing to invest a whole lot of money on the front-end causes of homelessness: mental illness, substance abuse, and their concomitant fallout of broken homes and single-parent households buried in debt.

Their social services spend literally hours on each family, getting them to doctors appointments, therapy sessions, court hearings, following up on missed visits, getting their cases the help they cannot or will not, at first, get for themselves. It's a massive undertaking.

Yup. 

It's everything else around homelessness that's the problem. The unaffordability of it is just a small sliver, and can actually be rather easily handled (online K-12 education--cost of housing is because families are bidding themselves into massive debt trying to get their kids into the best school districts). 

The mental illness thing is a big one. The cops have literally no where they can take these people to get them help, so it's only shunting from one neighborhood to another. If I could have gotten proper help sooner, it wouldn't have taken me 11 years to become half-way functional. Hopefully once we get single-payer that aspect of homelessness will be addressed appropriately.


Also, IIRC, it took the Utah model 12 years from inception to start seeing real measurable results in their program. It only worked because they were willing to keep at it for the long term.
 
2018-01-18 11:38:11 PM  
The pot tax is gonna buy every homeless person a brand new shopping cart, just wait and see!
 
2018-01-18 11:41:27 PM  
Lee Jackson Beauregard:
Perhaps you might explain what the Plutocrat Party plans to do about the problem. And no, more tax cuts for billionaires won't do it.

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2018-01-18 11:41:45 PM  

Emposter: 1.4 billion dollars for 10,000 housing units?  No wonder they can't keep up.  Holy shiat, you can buy medium houses (3 bedroom, 2 bathroom, 1500 square foot) where I live for less.


This is a right-wing conservative propaganda outlet. All facts and figures it alleges should be taken with a salt mine.
 
2018-01-18 11:43:22 PM  
HAW HAW HAW!

Subby sure stuck it to those homelesss LIBS!

HAW HAW HAW!
 
2018-01-18 11:44:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Peki: Gyrfalcon: Utah is the only state that's willing to invest a whole lot of money on the front-end causes of homelessness: mental illness, substance abuse, and their concomitant fallout of broken homes and single-parent households buried in debt.

Their social services spend literally hours on each family, getting them to doctors appointments, therapy sessions, court hearings, following up on missed visits, getting their cases the help they cannot or will not, at first, get for themselves. It's a massive undertaking.

Yup. 

It's everything else around homelessness that's the problem. The unaffordability of it is just a small sliver, and can actually be rather easily handled (online K-12 education--cost of housing is because families are bidding themselves into massive debt trying to get their kids into the best school districts). 

The mental illness thing is a big one. The cops have literally no where they can take these people to get them help, so it's only shunting from one neighborhood to another. If I could have gotten proper help sooner, it wouldn't have taken me 11 years to become half-way functional. Hopefully once we get single-payer that aspect of homelessness will be addressed appropriately.

Also, IIRC, it took the Utah model 12 years from inception to start seeing real measurable results in their program. It only worked because they were willing to keep at it for the long term.


That gives me hope. And from Utah, no less. Good on the beehive state.
 
2018-01-18 11:44:50 PM  

mittromneysdog: Emposter: 1.4 billion dollars for 10,000 housing units?  No wonder they can't keep up.  Holy shiat, you can buy medium houses (3 bedroom, 2 bathroom, 1500 square foot) where I live for less.

This is a right-wing conservative propaganda outlet. All facts and figures it alleges should be taken with a salt mine.


To be even clearer, I doubt the article's basic premise. I want to know what specific tax or levy was billed to voters as one that would "solve" LA's homeless crisis. And who so billed it.
 
2018-01-18 11:45:40 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: We're 6 years from this, according to the Star Trek timeline:

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Goddammit. *shakes defiant fist* Apparently I spent 20 minutes debating whether or not to include a link from when LA was actually considering sanctuary districts at the time. Why yes, this is really good weed.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-1​4​/news/mn-50276_1_homeless-people

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2018-01-18 11:45:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Also, IIRC, it took the Utah model 12 years from inception to start seeing real measurable results in their program. It only worked because they were willing to keep at it for the long term.


Sounds about right. 

Ugh. The problem with homelessness is that homelessness isn't about homes. But social responsibility is definitely NOT in vogue with the current Oval Office occupant.
 
2018-01-18 11:59:16 PM  

rcain: LordJiro: rcain: I truly believe it will be this incessant greed, selfishness and hate of their fellow man that will be the death of this nation. Just as a living organism that is deprived of nourishment and care will wither and die, so will a society where there is no such thing as social welfare

It will be greed, selfishness and hate that kills our species, not just the nation. The mindless pursuit of wealth at all costs is one of humanity's greatest flaws.

I have to agree. Freud says as much. People desire greatness above all else and in his book How to Win Friends and Influence People, Dale Carnegie expands upon that to point to the amass of wealth or any other asset or status that puts them above others. But if you pay attention to Dale Carnegie, that Achilles Heel can possibly be turned to an advantage if we could get off Capitalism and other Wealth based Societies and move towards a true Meritocracy where personal achievement and contribution to Society was praised and esteemed. That might seem implausible now, but not impossible -- a high ideal to strive for, but strive we must if we hope to survive and prosper


Maybe our species wasn't intended to close in on having eight billion of us (or more) simultaneously.
 
2018-01-19 12:01:48 AM  
Because Americans allow politicians to make long-term promises while in campaign mode, but don't have any way to hold them accountable once they're elected.

Because voting the bums out is our only option and their opponents know that.

Because, after every election, the challengers want you to believe that the incumbent didn't deliver and current circumstances are proof of the incumbent's ineptitude - even in house races.

But mostly because Democrats water down their politics to appease the legend of American Liberalism, the far-right bogeyman of leftist politics.

A single payer system of health care would be the 21st century equivalent of the 20th's 8 hour workday, but the specter of the liberal socialist has Americans so scared of "death panels" that we're running into a wall. But democrats can't suggest a central, socially organized health insurance program without causing panic among those who'd never give it up once it was extended to them.

Together my employer and I pay $1,600 a month toward a decent health insurance plan that covers just me - not my kids. To add my kids is another $600.

There is no liberalism in American politics.
 
2018-01-19 12:03:19 AM  

KiwDaWabbit: rcain: LordJiro: rcain: I truly believe it will be this incessant greed, selfishness and hate of their fellow man that will be the death of this nation. Just as a living organism that is deprived of nourishment and care will wither and die, so will a society where there is no such thing as social welfare

It will be greed, selfishness and hate that kills our species, not just the nation. The mindless pursuit of wealth at all costs is one of humanity's greatest flaws.

I have to agree. Freud says as much. People desire greatness above all else and in his book How to Win Friends and Influence People, Dale Carnegie expands upon that to point to the amass of wealth or any other asset or status that puts them above others. But if you pay attention to Dale Carnegie, that Achilles Heel can possibly be turned to an advantage if we could get off Capitalism and other Wealth based Societies and move towards a true Meritocracy where personal achievement and contribution to Society was praised and esteemed. That might seem implausible now, but not impossible -- a high ideal to strive for, but strive we must if we hope to survive and prosper

Maybe our species wasn't intended to close in on having eight billion of us (or more) simultaneously.


Well, that's where human ingenuity comes in. Our species wasn't intended to survive the ice age, yet we did. And we will survive whatever hell climate change brings, even if most the plants and animals die off

Just another reason to colonize space, if we are a virus it is our duty to spread our pathogen across the stars
 
2018-01-19 12:05:58 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: gar1013: California is run by proper-thinking liberals who care about problems such as this, and are elected by enlightened voters who always vote for the correct party.

Somebody DNRTFA.

"In New York, according to a 2016 report by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, on any given night that January, 96% of the city's 70,685 homeless were sheltered."

New York is also run by Democrats.

Perhaps you might explain what the Plutocrat Party plans to do about the problem. And no, more tax cuts for billionaires won't do it.


Shelter is a constitutional right in New York. There's huge infrastructure built up around it. Read a long article about their system a few months back.
 
2018-01-19 12:06:27 AM  

rcain: KiwDaWabbit: rcain: LordJiro: rcain: I truly believe it will be this incessant greed, selfishness and hate of their fellow man that will be the death of this nation. Just as a living organism that is deprived of nourishment and care will wither and die, so will a society where there is no such thing as social welfare

It will be greed, selfishness and hate that kills our species, not just the nation. The mindless pursuit of wealth at all costs is one of humanity's greatest flaws.

I have to agree. Freud says as much. People desire greatness above all else and in his book How to Win Friends and Influence People, Dale Carnegie expands upon that to point to the amass of wealth or any other asset or status that puts them above others. But if you pay attention to Dale Carnegie, that Achilles Heel can possibly be turned to an advantage if we could get off Capitalism and other Wealth based Societies and move towards a true Meritocracy where personal achievement and contribution to Society was praised and esteemed. That might seem implausible now, but not impossible -- a high ideal to strive for, but strive we must if we hope to survive and prosper

Maybe our species wasn't intended to close in on having eight billion of us (or more) simultaneously.

Well, that's where human ingenuity comes in. Our species wasn't intended to survive the ice age, yet we did. And we will survive whatever hell climate change brings, even if most the plants and animals die off

Just another reason to colonize space, if we are a virus it is our duty to spread our pathogen across the stars


Sort of a man made transpermia. I like it. Never mind that we're probably the Alabama of the multiverse. Go figure we'd be the fertile ones.
 
2018-01-19 12:06:49 AM  

gar1013: Unpossible.

California is run by proper-thinking liberals who care about problems such as this, and are elected by enlightened voters who always vote for the correct party.

It is a state with a booming economy, where none of the social policies enacted in the state have done any damage to wages or job growth.

And you're telling me that Utah, home to the only religion we're allowed to make fun of (Scientology excluded), is somehow better at reducing homelessness despite not being known for economic output beyond sending kids on missionary trips with bicycles?

Unpossible.


They keep the homeless population down in Utah by giving the homeless one way bus tickets to where ever they ask to go.
 
2018-01-19 12:10:31 AM  

Emposter: 1.4 billion dollars for 10,000 housing units?  No wonder they can't keep up.  Holy shiat, you can buy medium houses (3 bedroom, 2 bathroom, 1500 square foot) where I live for less.


Maybe your town can let LA know, so they can send a check for the homes and a bus of homeless people to inhabit them.
 
2018-01-19 12:16:05 AM  

sprgrss: Homelessness is by and large a problem that cannot be fixed simply by throwing money at it or increasing the amount of housing available.  A lot of homeless have no desire to be anything other than homeless and unless you can fix that you cannot fix the homeless issue.


 That argument is often used by people who just want to ignore that far too many people are thrust into homelessness unwillingly. Sure, lots of folks seem to to enjoy the street, but stop bringing it up as a reason society shouldn't fight as hard as it can for the rest of them.
 
2018-01-19 12:21:20 AM  

jaytkay: HAW HAW HAW!

Subby sure stuck it to those homelesss LIBS!

HAW HAW HAW!


 This is now a ZZ Top thread.
 
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