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(Politico)   What does "Fake News" actually mean, though? According to 88% of Republican voters, "accurate news stories casting a politician or political group in a negative light" are by definition fake   ( politico.com) divider line
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2018-01-16 08:19:00 AM  
Oh, ffs, 2 simple words, easily defined

fake
fāk/
adjective
1.
not genuine; counterfeit.
"fake designer clothing"
synonyms:forgery, counterfeit, copy, p​irate(d) copy, sham, fraud, hoax, imitation, mo​ck-up, dummy, reproduction; More
noun
1.
a thing that is not genuine; a forgery or sham.
"the painting was a fake"
synonyms:forgery, counterfeit, copy, p​irate(d) copy, sham, fraud, hoax, imitation, mo​ck-up, dummy, reproduction; More
verb
1.
forge or counterfeit (something).
"the woman faked her spouse's signature"
synonyms:forge, counterfeit, falsify, ​mock up, copy, pirate, reproduce, replicate

news
n(y)ooz/
noun
noun: news
newly received or noteworthy information, especially about recent or important events.
"I've got some good news for you"
a broadcast or published report of news.
plural noun: the news
"he was back in the news again"
synonyms:report, announcement, story, ​account; More
article, news flash, newscast, headlines, press release, communication, communiqué, bu​lletin;
news crawl, news ticker;
message, dispatch, statement, intellig​ence;
disclosure, revelation, word, talk, go​ssip;
informalscoop;
literarytidings
"they were stunned by the news of his death"
informal
information not previously known to someone.
"this was hardly news to her"
a person or thing considered interesting enough to be reported in the news.
"Chanel became the hottest news in fashion"
 
2018-01-16 08:24:59 AM  
"Fake news" is whatever Republicans don't want to hear.
 
2018-01-16 08:27:43 AM  
I can't wait for "fake news" to fall out of common parlance. I hate that phrase with a visceral passion. It's stupid.
 
2018-01-16 08:35:21 AM  

Anastacya: I can't wait for "fake news" to fall out of common parlance. I hate that phrase with a visceral passion. It's stupid.


Lügenpresse!
 
2018-01-16 08:40:17 AM  
When you hear the phrase "Fake news", it means that the President of The United States is trying to fool you again.
 
2018-01-16 08:59:04 AM  
104% of people with a brain believe this number is made up with no real support to back it up.
 
2018-01-16 09:00:19 AM  
This is the same era in which we've redefined "literal" to mean figurative, as well as still meaning literal. It's literally fake news.
 
2018-01-16 09:00:49 AM  

DoneWithDems: 104% of people with a brain believe this number is made up with no real support to back it up.


And he calls fake news...
 
2018-01-16 09:00:52 AM  
Read the 2nd sentence of that headline.  This must finally feel to Hillary as if the weight of the world has been removed from her shoulders
 
2018-01-16 09:03:42 AM  
What bugs me is that it's so blatantly co-opted by the Right because everyone with a brain started calling their shiat out on social media. And when the Left started pronouncing things fake news, it was obviously time to go with the Rovian tactic of accusing your enemies if your own faults.

And infuriatingly, it farking WORKED.
 
2018-01-16 09:04:21 AM  
Great.  Half the country collectively holds their hands over their ears chanting "Nyah, nyah, nyah I can't hear you!"
 
2018-01-16 09:04:43 AM  
Huh, I guess I failed to consider that Trump and others simply don't know the definition of the word fake.
 
2018-01-16 09:04:46 AM  
Contemporary Republicans are doing a good job of fostering future socialists
 
2018-01-16 09:05:07 AM  
Fake news is anything that is not servile ass-kissing flattery towards donnie2scoops,
 
2018-01-16 09:06:18 AM  
I still think the saddest part is that Trump didn't even coin fake news. It had been in common use for a while in reference to the increasingly common problem of clickbait social media pages posting "news" that was actually a fabrication. So of course Nero had to latch onto it and strip it of any use it might have had in the lexicon for encouraging people to be skeptical about unverified news stories.
 
2018-01-16 09:08:06 AM  
We've long known that words only have connotations for the right wing, not definitions.
 
2018-01-16 09:08:33 AM  
"accurate news stories casting a politician or political group in a negative light"


Only negative stories about Republicanpoliticians are fake.  Negative stories about them dirty libruls should always be believed at face value.
 
2018-01-16 09:08:37 AM  
Fake breasts, fake hair, fake lifted face, fake scalp, seems like the Trump loves fake things.
 
2018-01-16 09:08:37 AM  

RJReves: Anastacya: I can't wait for "fake news" to fall out of common parlance. I hate that phrase with a visceral passion. It's stupid.

Lügenpresse!


We on the left introduced it, thinking we were being clever and crafting a bumper sticker response to the Russian disinformation campaign.

And because we arent allowed to have anything nice, the right hijacked it, seeing that it was effective and completely ruined political discourse for a generation by turning a phrase intended to point out varying degrees of provenance in news sources into a pale reflection of nazi propaganda.

There is a lesson to be learned by us on the left about what this means for the rules of engagement moving forward.
 
2018-01-16 09:08:46 AM  
Real Fake News: Russian Bots writing fake stories

Republican Fake News: Media doesn't like our tax policies based on economists and billionaires responses concerning the effects, and we don't like that so it's all Fake! (Etc)
 
2018-01-16 09:10:30 AM  

Shadowknight: What bugs me is that it's so blatantly co-opted by the Right because everyone with a brain started calling their shiat out on social media. And when the Left started pronouncing things fake news, it was obviously time to go with the Rovian tactic of accusing your enemies if your own faults.

And infuriatingly, it farking WORKED.


Only kind of.

Republicans admitted that the term means ACCURATE news they don't like. So deep down they know it's true.
 
2018-01-16 09:10:50 AM  

Blathering Idjut: Great.  Half the country collectively holds their hands over their ears chanting "Nyah, nyah, nyah I can't hear you!"


Here is a helpful gifto illustrate

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2018-01-16 09:11:01 AM  
Maybe it's time to put these people on a reservation.
 
2018-01-16 09:11:29 AM  
Less than half of Americans, 44%, say they can think of a news source that reports the news objectively. Republicans who can name an accurate source overwhelmingly mention Fox News®, while Democrats' responses are more varied.

Four in 10 Republicans consider accurate news stories that cast a politician or political group in a negative light to always be "fake news."


Yea, those line up pretty well.
 
2018-01-16 09:11:46 AM  

MrBallou: When you hear the phrase "Fake news", it means that the President of The United States is trying to fool you again.


This right here.  It's a ridiculously easy to hear dog whistle, and once I do hear it it's pretty easy to discount whatever the rest of the speaker says.
 
2018-01-16 09:11:50 AM  
"Forty-three percent of respondents also had a very or somewhat unfavorable view of the press."

This is a completely meaningless statement in the modern era.  Can you imagine unpacking what any individual thinks of as "the press" when asked.  When they respond, are they talking about their own echo chamber, the other teams echo chamber, or combining the two somehow?
 
2018-01-16 09:13:32 AM  

Blathering Idjut: Great.  Half the country collectively holds their hands over their ears chanting "Nyah, nyah, nyah I can't hear you!"


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2018-01-16 09:14:58 AM  
I'm not sure what 'chopping a paragraph in half to hide the fact that that particular piece of inanity crosses party lines' counts as subby

FTA:  Asked to rate "Accurate news stories casting a politician or political group in a negative light," Democrats said 26 percent always, 50 percent sometimes, 22 percent never, while Republicans replied 42 percent always, 46 percent sometimes, 10 percent never.

'Their side is bad because 88% of people think true things are fake, but my side is good because only 76% of people think that'.

Maybe you want to pick a different hill to die on.
 
2018-01-16 09:15:46 AM  

freidog: Less than half of Americans, 44%, say they can think of a news source that reports the news objectively. Republicans who can name an accurate source overwhelmingly mention Fox News®, while Democrats' responses are more varied.

Four in 10 Republicans consider accurate news stories that cast a politician or political group in a negative light to always be "fake news."

Yea, those line up pretty well.


Except when it is about the Demonrats, Obummer, or Hilldawg.
 
2018-01-16 09:17:09 AM  

Comic Book Guy: MrBallou: When you hear the phrase "Fake news", it means that the President of The United States is trying to fool you again.

This right here.  It's a ridiculously easy to hear dog whistle, and once I do hear it it's pretty easy to discount whatever the rest of the speaker says.


The problem is that no one is being fooled.  Trumpinistas are not poor, misguided-but-lovable doofs that will finally see the light if we can just find the right incantation to enlighten them.  They understand the world perfectly fine - they just choose to embrace evil.  When they hear "fake news", they know the news is not fake, but they also know that the Messiah-Monarch has told them how to act and they will obey to insure maximal evil.
 
2018-01-16 09:18:56 AM  
This aligns precisely with how Trump views the media.  The media is being "fair" if it's praising him.  If it's at all critical, it's "fake", "unfair" and "biased".

Because in Trump's mind, he only does and says things that are good, and never does anything bad or makes mistakes.  Thus any news story to the contrary is "fake".
 
2018-01-16 09:19:14 AM  
"accurate news stories casting THEIR politician or political group in a negative light"

/Fixed
 
2018-01-16 09:19:31 AM  
I dont know why we need to prove it time and again, these are not bright people.

They arent worth talking to or having discussions with, they are unreachable and wish to remain willfully ignorant purely out of spite and hate. Dont waste your time. Cut them out of your life, dont engage.

Find someone who never votes and get them registered instead.  Let these turdblossoms fester in their little hate groups, they arent worth dealing with.
 
2018-01-16 09:22:27 AM  

phalamir: Trumpinistas are not poor, misguided-but-lovable doofs that will finally see the light if we can just find the right incantation to enlighten them.  They understand the world perfectly fine - they just choose to embrace evil.  When they hear "fake news", they know the news is not fake


Some are like that, but in my view most are not.  They are so Fox News'd that they truly believe the rest of the liberal media industrial complex is out to get them with lies and propaganda.  When Trump says all these stories are lies, most of the Trumpers actually believe that.
 
2018-01-16 09:25:46 AM  

Anastacya: I can't wait for "fake news" to fall out of common parlance. I hate that phrase with a visceral passion. It's stupid.


Stupid people need stupid mantras to ward off reality.
 
2018-01-16 09:26:30 AM  

phalamir: Comic Book Guy: MrBallou: When you hear the phrase "Fake news", it means that the President of The United States is trying to fool you again.

This right here.  It's a ridiculously easy to hear dog whistle, and once I do hear it it's pretty easy to discount whatever the rest of the speaker says.

The problem is that no one is being fooled.  Trumpinistas are not poor, misguided-but-lovable doofs that will finally see the light if we can just find the right incantation to enlighten them.  They understand the world perfectly fine - they just choose to embrace evil.  When they hear "fake news", they know the news is not fake, but they also know that the Messiah-Monarch has told them how to act and they will obey to insure maximal evil.


I know Trumpinistas and I'm just not ready to believe that they understand the world perfectly fine.  Sorry, that aspect of this just gobsmacked me
 
2018-01-16 09:26:45 AM  
Grumpf colluding with Russia is fake news.

Jury's still out on Saddam's WMDs though.
 
2018-01-16 09:27:40 AM  

Naido: phalamir: Comic Book Guy: MrBallou: When you hear the phrase "Fake news", it means that the President of The United States is trying to fool you again.

This right here.  It's a ridiculously easy to hear dog whistle, and once I do hear it it's pretty easy to discount whatever the rest of the speaker says.

The problem is that no one is being fooled.  Trumpinistas are not poor, misguided-but-lovable doofs that will finally see the light if we can just find the right incantation to enlighten them.  They understand the world perfectly fine - they just choose to embrace evil.  When they hear "fake news", they know the news is not fake, but they also know that the Messiah-Monarch has told them how to act and they will obey to insure maximal evil.

I know Trumpinistas and I'm just not ready to believe that they understand the world perfectly fine.  Sorry, that aspect of this just gobsmacked me


Whoops, replied to wrong one
 
2018-01-16 09:28:25 AM  

pueblonative: Anastacya: I can't wait for "fake news" to fall out of common parlance. I hate that phrase with a visceral passion. It's stupid.

Stupid people need stupid mantras to ward off reality.


It's either that or drugs
 
2018-01-16 09:29:25 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: "Fake news" is whatever Republicans don't want to hear.


Well, the Russians have been putting out 'fake news' about Clinton and others.  But the difference here is that this is news that's really fake, as opposed to, say, willful blindness.

But what about alternative facts?

/I need coffee.
 
2018-01-16 09:30:30 AM  
The Republican plan, step by step:
Step 1: Get born in a rural area- At least fifty miles from a city.
Step 2: Have racist shiathole parents.
Step 3: Go to a woefully underfunded public school system.
Step 4: Drop out.
Step 5: Get a job at the mill (for awhile) and watch lots of TV.
Step 6: Get older.
Step 7: Realize one day that  nothing is the same as it used to be in your world.
Step 8: Get confused.
Step 9: Get angry.
Step 10: Vote against yourself because you are now part of The Borg.
(Optional step 11- Have kids and continue cycle)
 
2018-01-16 09:32:16 AM  
 
2018-01-16 09:32:20 AM  

phalamir: Comic Book Guy: MrBallou: When you hear the phrase "Fake news", it means that the President of The United States is trying to fool you again.

This right here.  It's a ridiculously easy to hear dog whistle, and once I do hear it it's pretty easy to discount whatever the rest of the speaker says.

The problem is that no one is being fooled.  Trumpinistas are not poor, misguided-but-lovable doofs that will finally see the light if we can just find the right incantation to enlighten them.  They understand the world perfectly fine - they just choose to embrace evil.  When they hear "fake news", they know the news is not fake, but they also know that the Messiah-Monarch has told them how to act and they will obey to insure maximal evil.


If there was ever a better application of Hanlon's razor ("Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."), I haven't seen it.  I'm not out here to evangelize truth, justice, and the Reality-that-everyone-else-lives-in way.  I know enough Fox Newsers to understand that there's no Harry Potter spell that's going to snap them out of their habit.  The way I see it, if you're a fully functioning adult you're responsible for your own choices, including how/where/if you choose to keep yourself educated on current events.
 
2018-01-16 09:35:14 AM  

Grungehamster: Speaking of, new Trump tweet:

Do you notice the Fake News Mainstream Media never likes covering the great and record setting economic news, but rather talks about anything negative or that can be turned into the negative. The Russian Collusion Hoax is dead, except as it pertains to the Dems. Public gets it!

Apropos to nothing, Sloppy Steve Bannon is giving testimony on the Russia investigation to the House Intelligence Committee as we speak.


In some ways I hope he ends up with an aneurism from the constipation he seems to suffer from.
 
2018-01-16 09:36:42 AM  

HerptheDerp: I dont know why we need to prove it time and again, these are not bright people.

They arent worth talking to or having discussions with, they are unreachable and wish to remain willfully ignorant purely out of spite and hate. Dont waste your time. Cut them out of your life, dont engage.

Find someone who never votes and get them registered instead.  Let these turdblossoms fester in their little hate groups, they arent worth dealing with.


I agree, except for cutting them out of your life.  Staying in Deplorables' lives can be helpful because it reminds them that you're still human.  It's hard to dehumanize a whole group of people when you're friends or family with one of The Others.  It also provides a tangible counterpoint to their children to help thwart indoctrination.  If kids growing up have a successful example of The Other, it's very difficult for them to learn to blanket hate The Others.  For instance, it's easy for kids to learn to hate gays when there are no gays around.  Introduce a non-threatening, successful gay person into the mix and all the sudden it's, "But Daddy, uncle Mike and his husband are gay but they're just like you and Mommy, except their house is bigger."
 
2018-01-16 09:40:40 AM  
Something wrong with the fake news tag?
 
2018-01-16 09:43:28 AM  
All any news organization has to do to not be labeled "fake new", is to tell the truth with verifiable facts.

It's disgustingly simple.
 
2018-01-16 09:45:07 AM  

Shadowknight: What bugs me is that it's so blatantly co-opted by the Right because everyone with a brain started calling their shiat out on social media. And when the Left started pronouncing things fake news, it was obviously time to go with the Rovian tactic of accusing your enemies if your own faults.

And infuriatingly, it farking WORKED.


Again. This isn't the first time the (r) rubes have been used.
 
2018-01-16 09:46:15 AM  

suebhoney: All any news organization has to do to not be labeled "fake new", is to tell the truth with verifiable facts.

It's disgustingly simple.


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2018-01-16 09:46:40 AM  

Grungehamster: Speaking of, new Trump tweet:

Do you notice the Fake News Mainstream Media never likes covering the great and record setting economic news, but rather talks about anything negative or that can be turned into the negative. The Russian Collusion Hoax is dead, except as it pertains to the Dems. Public gets it!

Apropos to nothing, Sloppy Steve Bannon is giving testimony on the Russia investigation to the House Intelligence Committee as we speak.


My local news channel just covered the DJIA breaking 26k and all I could wonder was how big will this bubble get before it bursts.  Good economic news, to me, would be companies deciding to forego automation and actually pay their workers a living wage.

That being said...
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