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2018-01-13 11:31:25 PM  
How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???

i FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO NEVER GOT THEIR MAIL.

Do you want to know why? Because I have more pity for people than shadenfreude. Or however it's spelled. I sympathize, more than deride or scorn.

it is what it is. I feel sorry for all the people that never got what they needed because it was taken from them by someone who just wanted to destroy it all.
 
2018-01-14 12:01:50 AM  
William Faulkner would be proud.
 
2018-01-14 02:25:18 AM  

Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???


Because he didn't burn all the mail.

If he delivered nothing for 5 months, of course they'd have caught him quickly.  It will have been periodic, whenever he was behind or didn't want to work or whatever, he brought some of the mail home that day instead of delivering it.  So it took time for customers to figure out there were missing mail and for the complaints to start piling up, and then it will have taken time for the postal service to investigate and catch him.
 
2018-01-14 02:33:17 AM  
Accused? He admitted it; plead guilty.
 
2018-01-14 02:37:58 AM  
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2018-01-14 02:38:46 AM  
The carrier's supervisor should be scolded harshly s/he turns into a latte.
 
2018-01-14 02:39:05 AM  
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*chuckles posthumously*
 
2018-01-14 02:41:17 AM  

mrparks: The carrier's supervisor should be scolded harshly s/he turns into a latte.


Un latte? Che cosa?
 
2018-01-14 02:42:08 AM  

2chris2: Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???

Because he didn't burn all the mail.

If he delivered nothing for 5 months, of course they'd have caught him quickly.  It will have been periodic, whenever he was behind or didn't want to work or whatever, he brought some of the mail home that day instead of delivering it.  So it took time for customers to figure out there were missing mail and for the complaints to start piling up, and then it will have taken time for the postal service to investigate and catch him.


Unless it's a package from Amazon I don't think I would ever notice if pieces of my mail weren't being delivered.
 
2018-01-14 02:42:51 AM  
I had no idea the SI unit for measuring mail volume was the tub.  How much is that in hectares?
 
2018-01-14 02:46:54 AM  

Cosmic Cowboy: I had no idea the SI unit for measuring mail volume was the tub.  How much is that in hectares?


It's .002 Rhode Islands
 
2018-01-14 02:52:32 AM  
As a postal employee I'm getting a kick...

CSB delivery:
At my facility we aren't bothered/shocked by anything.  The recent "going postal" incident didn't bother us, until we found out the perpetrator was naked.  We could all understand killing a supervisor and never bat an eye about it, but we were confused by why he was naked.  Think about that.  We accept as normal the killing of another human being, but we were trying to figure out where he hid the gun while naked.
 
2018-01-14 02:53:11 AM  

Bourbonman: Cosmic Cowboy: I had no idea the SI unit for measuring mail volume was the tub.  How much is that in hectares?

It's .002 Rhode Islands


How many football fields? Solar masses?
 
2018-01-14 02:55:01 AM  

doomjesse: As a postal employee I'm getting a kick...

CSB delivery:
At my facility we aren't bothered/shocked by anything.  The recent "going postal" incident didn't bother us, until we found out the perpetrator was naked.  We could all understand killing a supervisor and never bat an eye about it, but we were confused by why he was naked.  Think about that.  We accept as normal the killing of another human being, but we were trying to figure out where he hid the gun while naked.


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2018-01-14 03:02:28 AM  

doomjesse: As a postal employee I'm getting a kick...

CSB delivery:
At my facility we aren't bothered/shocked by anything.  The recent "going postal" incident didn't bother us, until we found out the perpetrator was naked.  We could all understand killing a supervisor and never bat an eye about it, but we were confused by why he was naked.  Think about that.  We accept as normal the killing of another human being, but we were trying to figure out where he hid the gun while naked.


I think that sums up what's truly wrong with this world. Deep down people don't really care about each other anymore.

And it shows.
 
2018-01-14 03:05:56 AM  
This past holiday season I was expecting 4 cards from friends and family, a letter and perk gift from a company, and two magazines from a subscription. None of them had shown up by Christmas so I went to my local post office to complain and got a shrug and nothing else. They cards all had gift-cards enclosed so I kept a lookout for the mailman since I'm home when he delivers. I missed seeing the mail delivered one day so I was pretty sure some thief hadn't taken my stuff unless it was all delivered that one day. So a couple days after Christmas, AFTER I said something to the people at the post office, everything miraculously gets delivered. All the cards were postmarked prior to December 4th (the gift cards still enclosed). The one magazine was December's issue and that should have showed up the last week of November.

Anyhow.. I got my stuff but what the hell?!?
 
2018-01-14 03:07:44 AM  

doomjesse: As a postal employee I'm getting a kick...

CSB delivery:
At my facility we aren't bothered/shocked by anything.  The recent "going postal" incident didn't bother us, until we found out the perpetrator was naked.  We could all understand killing a supervisor and never bat an eye about it, but we were confused by why he was naked.  Think about that.  We accept as normal the killing of another human being, but we were trying to figure out where he hid the gun while naked.


That evokes the old, dark joke:

A: I'm gonna kill all the Jews and one clown.
B: Why a clown?
A: See, nobody cares about the Jews!
 
2018-01-14 03:21:22 AM  

viscountalpha: doomjesse: As a postal employee I'm getting a kick...

CSB delivery:
At my facility we aren't bothered/shocked by anything.  The recent "going postal" incident didn't bother us, until we found out the perpetrator was naked.  We could all understand killing a supervisor and never bat an eye about it, but we were confused by why he was naked.  Think about that.  We accept as normal the killing of another human being, but we were trying to figure out where he hid the gun while naked.

I think that sums up what's truly wrong with this world. Deep down people don't really care about each other anymore.

And it shows.


Of course people care about others. Wondering where he hid the gun while naked is showing a deep penetration of care for him and his pain that went all the way to the inside.
 
2018-01-14 03:24:34 AM  

mrparks: The carrier's supervisor should be scolded harshly s/he turns into a latte.


The carrier seemed to be hiding it pretty well, they would probably not do the same houses all the time, rotating which streets he skipped, unless you can show the supervisor knew about this and did nothing then you can't really punish them.
 
2018-01-14 03:46:07 AM  

freakingmoron: This past holiday season I was expecting 4 cards from friends and family, a letter and perk gift from a company, and two magazines from a subscription. None of them had shown up by Christmas so I went to my local post office to complain and got a shrug and nothing else. They cards all had gift-cards enclosed so I kept a lookout for the mailman since I'm home when he delivers. I missed seeing the mail delivered one day so I was pretty sure some thief hadn't taken my stuff unless it was all delivered that one day. So a couple days after Christmas, AFTER I said something to the people at the post office, everything miraculously gets delivered. All the cards were postmarked prior to December 4th (the gift cards still enclosed). The one magazine was December's issue and that should have showed up the last week of November.

Anyhow.. I got my stuff but what the hell?!?


Your sh*t was curtailed. Means it sat at the distribution center in a bin because parcels from Amazon prime overwhelmed the mainstream.

Even in August, the LLVs are full of parcels.

/Not Newman
 
2018-01-14 04:53:27 AM  
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2018-01-14 04:54:15 AM  

doomjesse: As a postal employee I'm getting a kick...

CSB delivery:
At my facility we aren't bothered/shocked by anything.  The recent "going postal" incident didn't bother us, until we found out the perpetrator was naked.  We could all understand killing a supervisor and never bat an eye about it, but we were confused by why he was naked.  Think about that.  We accept as normal the killing of another human being, but we were trying to figure out where he hid the gun while naked.


As a contractor with USPS, if I saw a naked man at ANY USPS facility, I would immediately call 9-1-1 while hoofing it off the property, god forbid an anthrax alarm goes off at the same time because that means pretty much that EVERY person inside the facility has already been exposed to anthrax because the sniffers take up to an hour to detect it while the mail continues to be processed downstream.

/But seriously, your mail's safe
 
2018-01-14 04:57:07 AM  

2chris2: Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???

Because he didn't burn all the mail.

If he delivered nothing for 5 months, of course they'd have caught him quickly.  It will have been periodic, whenever he was behind or didn't want to work or whatever, he brought some of the mail home that day instead of delivering it.  So it took time for customers to figure out there were missing mail and for the complaints to start piling up, and then it will have taken time for the postal service to investigate and catch him.


How the hell is the sentencing for a maximum of five years?
Shouldn't that be for each piece of mail?
There used to be so much trust in the postal system because no one dares tamper with the mail. It was a federal offense.
Now you hear about postal workers testing (flexing) envelopes to see which ones have plastic (gift) cards.
 
2018-01-14 05:12:21 AM  

mrparks: freakingmoron: This past holiday season...
Anyhow.. I got my stuff but what the hell?!?

Your sh*t was curtailed. Means it sat at the distribution center in a bin because parcels from Amazon prime overwhelmed the mainstream.

Even in August, the LLVs are full of parcels.

/Not Newman


Humph! Well, this sort of explanation ruins my paranoid delusions. Damn it!

Thanks
 
2018-01-14 05:37:53 AM  

Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???


That's actually relatively quick based on some of the cases I've seen.  As to how he go away with it, I would not be surprised if he just started by burning the bulk mail before graduating to just throwing it all away.

Resident Muslim: How the hell is the sentencing for a maximum of five years?
Shouldn't that be for each piece of mail?


If you sentenced him for each piece of mail, there would be some rapists and murderers going free before this guy.
 
2018-01-14 05:38:04 AM  

punkwrestler: mrparks: The carrier's supervisor should be scolded harshly s/he turns into a latte.

The carrier seemed to be hiding it pretty well, they would probably not do the same houses all the time, rotating which streets he skipped, unless you can show the supervisor knew about this and did nothing then you can't really punish them.


It's right there in the job title. Carrier's have a device that is tied into GPS, and then cross-referenced to physical UPC tags on the route.

The system is set up so that the carrier is supposed to scan each tag at a certain time to show mail delivery efficiency.

If you have twice the mail, but you scan the same, it's bullsh*t and you,The Supervisor, should ask questions. Not be relieved that there was another day of high-accuracy scanning.

But, who asks questions when things are going well?
 
2018-01-14 05:48:54 AM  

HairyNevus: Accused? He admitted it; plead guilty.


Technically headline is correct in that you have to be accused of something first before you plead.
 
2018-01-14 06:38:25 AM  
Wanted for questioning?

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/it's a little known fact that...ah.... destroying mail...is ahhhh..... ahhh.... felony.
 
2018-01-14 06:54:24 AM  
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2018-01-14 07:01:21 AM  
I worked with a lady whose one job was to get off her lazy ass 3 times a day, take some mail, walk across the building and deliver it to the mailboxes. She was supposed to have more duties but she DGAF about them and she was protected from a lot by someone up higher.
Usually her job should take 10-20 min but she would disappear for hours to talk to her friends. Since she was more of a disruption than help we didn't care since we couldn't get rid of her anyway.
One day a couple mangers come grab me and a few of the other higher ups in my dept and take us to this area of the building that had been empty for a few years and was going to be renovated for a growing dept. Well they open up a closet and it was full of mail bins full of mail, a lot of mail, waist high.
Turned out it was all the lazy persons mail and for a while she had been just dumping it because she didn't feel like sorting and delivering it. Since I didn't deal with the mail I didn't really hear the problems they had been having with missing mail. It probably wouldn't have caused much of an issue but she was dumping checks, bills and garnishments.
Yeah she got fired and she screamed about how she never had help and all types of BS, worst part was I had to help sort out her mess and it wasn't even my dept.
 
2018-01-14 08:01:35 AM  

Resident Muslim: 2chris2: Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???

Because he didn't burn all the mail.

If he delivered nothing for 5 months, of course they'd have caught him quickly.  It will have been periodic, whenever he was behind or didn't want to work or whatever, he brought some of the mail home that day instead of delivering it.  So it took time for customers to figure out there were missing mail and for the complaints to start piling up, and then it will have taken time for the postal service to investigate and catch him.

How the hell is the sentencing for a maximum of five years?
Shouldn't that be for each piece of mail?
There used to be so much trust in the postal system because no one dares tamper with the mail. It was a federal offense.
Now you hear about postal workers testing (flexing) envelopes to see which ones have plastic (gift) cards.


Where's this guy gonna get the quarter million?
He's going to get jail time, so he'll never get a job that would make that much upon his release.

I suppose if he had property, he would be forced to sell it, but now he'd be homeless, adding to the problem.
The jail time would cost the taxpayer more in the long run, so he'll either starve to death or get involved in more crime upon release.

Your revenge-based "justice" system is all kinds of farked up. The authorities get their pound of flesh and the rubes applaud them for it, so I guess it's worth it for some people.
 
2018-01-14 08:14:02 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Resident Muslim: 2chris2: Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???

Because he didn't burn all the mail.

If he delivered nothing for 5 months, of course they'd have caught him quickly.  It will have been periodic, whenever he was behind or didn't want to work or whatever, he brought some of the mail home that day instead of delivering it.  So it took time for customers to figure out there were missing mail and for the complaints to start piling up, and then it will have taken time for the postal service to investigate and catch him.

How the hell is the sentencing for a maximum of five years?
Shouldn't that be for each piece of mail?
There used to be so much trust in the postal system because no one dares tamper with the mail. It was a federal offense.
Now you hear about postal workers testing (flexing) envelopes to see which ones have plastic (gift) cards.

Where's this guy gonna get the quarter million?
He's going to get jail time, so he'll never get a job that would make that much upon his release.

I suppose if he had property, he would be forced to sell it, but now he'd be homeless, adding to the problem.
The jail time would cost the taxpayer more in the long run, so he'll either starve to death or get involved in more crime upon release.

Your revenge-based "justice" system is all kinds of farked up. The authorities get their pound of flesh and the rubes applaud them for it, so I guess it's worth it for some people.


And how would you propose to fix the issue?  Us "rubes" could really use the help...
 
2018-01-14 08:37:19 AM  

doomjesse: Day_Old_Dutchie: Resident Muslim: 2chris2: Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???

Because he didn't burn all the mail.

If he delivered nothing for 5 months, of course they'd have caught him quickly.  It will have been periodic, whenever he was behind or didn't want to work or whatever, he brought some of the mail home that day instead of delivering it.  So it took time for customers to figure out there were missing mail and for the complaints to start piling up, and then it will have taken time for the postal service to investigate and catch him.

How the hell is the sentencing for a maximum of five years?
Shouldn't that be for each piece of mail?
There used to be so much trust in the postal system because no one dares tamper with the mail. It was a federal offense.
Now you hear about postal workers testing (flexing) envelopes to see which ones have plastic (gift) cards.

Where's this guy gonna get the quarter million?
He's going to get jail time, so he'll never get a job that would make that much upon his release.

I suppose if he had property, he would be forced to sell it, but now he'd be homeless, adding to the problem.
The jail time would cost the taxpayer more in the long run, so he'll either starve to death or get involved in more crime upon release.

Your revenge-based "justice" system is all kinds of farked up. The authorities get their pound of flesh and the rubes applaud them for it, so I guess it's worth it for some people.

And how would you propose to fix the issue?  Us "rubes" could really use the help...


DOldD, I'm not looking for revenge.
I'm looking for a deterrent.
5 years sentence is probably more like 3-3.5 with good behavior.
Some people might risk that for going through the mail for a bunch of $20/$50 gift cards.
Again, don't make assumptions about me. I think a good system should be fair AND serve as a deterrent.
 
2018-01-14 08:43:25 AM  

pueblonative: Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???

That's actually relatively quick based on some of the cases I've seen.  As to how he go away with it, I would not be surprised if he just started by burning the bulk mail before graduating to just throwing it all away.

Resident Muslim: How the hell is the sentencing for a maximum of five years?
Shouldn't that be for each piece of mail?

If you sentenced him for each piece of mail, there would be some rapists and murderers going free before this guy.


And?
 
2018-01-14 08:48:57 AM  
A postal employee.  I figure as bad as it was it could have been much worse.  At least no lives were lost.
 
2018-01-14 08:52:52 AM  

pueblonative: Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???

That's actually relatively quick based on some of the cases I've seen.  As to how he go away with it, I would not be surprised if he just started by burning the bulk mail before graduating to just throwing it all away.

Resident Muslim: How the hell is the sentencing for a maximum of five years?
Shouldn't that be for each piece of mail?

If you sentenced him for each piece of mail, there would be some rapists and murderers going free before this guy.


1) rapists and murders should NOT go free before this guy
2) this should get postal workers thinking before they burn 6 tub-fulls of personal mail, including hand-written letters from elderly family members over the holiday season.*

/*gotta appreciate the sincere but obvious "appeal to empathy" there
//really, don't burn my mail
///just don't
 
2018-01-14 09:17:16 AM  

Cosmic Cowboy: I had no idea the SI unit for measuring mail volume was the tub.  How much is that in hectares?


The beat thing about Fark is someone is always thinking of the same joke as I am.

/also the worst thing
//at least if the other person gets there first
///3
 
2018-01-14 11:01:09 AM  

mrparks: punkwrestler: mrparks: The carrier's supervisor should be scolded harshly s/he turns into a latte.

The carrier seemed to be hiding it pretty well, they would probably not do the same houses all the time, rotating which streets he skipped, unless you can show the supervisor knew about this and did nothing then you can't really punish them.

It's right there in the job title. Carrier's have a device that is tied into GPS, and then cross-referenced to physical UPC tags on the route.

The system is set up so that the carrier is supposed to scan each tag at a certain time to show mail delivery efficiency.

If you have twice the mail, but you scan the same, it's bullsh*t and you,The Supervisor, should ask questions. Not be relieved that there was another day of high-accuracy scanning.

But, who asks questions when things are going well?


If you have twice the mail you make sure to sit down and have lunch during your route, visit hookers, go for a tour of local local historical sites. I'm sure someone who has been doing the job a few weeks can figure out what they need to do to waste time on the route.
 
2018-01-14 11:45:01 AM  

Resident Muslim: pueblonative: Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???

That's actually relatively quick based on some of the cases I've seen.  As to how he go away with it, I would not be surprised if he just started by burning the bulk mail before graduating to just throwing it all away.

Resident Muslim: How the hell is the sentencing for a maximum of five years?
Shouldn't that be for each piece of mail?

If you sentenced him for each piece of mail, there would be some rapists and murderers going free before this guy.

1) rapists and murders should NOT go free before this guy
2) this should get postal workers thinking before they burn 6 tub-fulls of personal mail, including hand-written letters from elderly family members over the holiday season.*


1.)  I didn't say should, I said would.  US Code specifies a max of 5 years To contrast, this guy got 11 years for sexual assault. Since he was doing this for five months, I don't think he burned just two pieces of mail.
2.)  Except in all the times that it didn't. Again and again and again.  And thten there's that whole "cruel an d unusual punishment" legalese the courts seem hell bent on upholding


/*gotta appreciate the sincere but obvious "appeal to empathy" there
//really, don't burn my mail
///just don't



okay, cupcake
 
2018-01-14 12:34:24 PM  

pueblonative: Resident Muslim: pueblonative: Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???

That's actually relatively quick based on some of the cases I've seen.  As to how he go away with it, I would not be surprised if he just started by burning the bulk mail before graduating to just throwing it all away.

Resident Muslim: How the hell is the sentencing for a maximum of five years?
Shouldn't that be for each piece of mail?

If you sentenced him for each piece of mail, there would be some rapists and murderers going free before this guy.

1) rapists and murders should NOT go free before this guy
2) this should get postal workers thinking before they burn 6 tub-fulls of personal mail, including hand-written letters from elderly family members over the holiday season.*

1.)  I didn't say should, I said would.  US Code specifies a max of 5 years To contrast, this guy got 11 years for sexual assault. Since he was doing this for five months, I don't think he burned just two pieces of mail.
2.)  Except in all the times that it didn't. Again and again and again.  And thten there's that whole "cruel an d unusual punishment" legalese the courts seem hell bent on upholding


/*gotta appreciate the sincere but obvious "appeal to empathy" there
//really, don't burn my mail
///just don't


okay, cupcake


Huh.
First time I've ever been called cupcake. I'm guessing you didn't understand my comment.

Anyways, you seem upset if you're reverting to name calling. So let's call it a day.
 
2018-01-14 02:15:11 PM  
It's important to point out that the USPS has a monopoly on 1st and 3rd class mail.

Unless you (or the company shipping to you) want to pay extra for express shipping and can justify the shipping as time sensitive, you're stuck using the USPS.   Companies get in trouble if they use another company's shipping services for non-time sensitive 1st class mailings.

I've had more than a few credit and debit cards just never make it and have to be replaced.  It's most likely not worth it for them to spend $4-15 for express or expedited shipping, but they would probably be willing to pay $1 or $2 for first class speeds with tracking.  I'd even be willing to pay that if it meant that I could actually know where things like that are and when to expect them.

The mail carrier that typically services my apartment complex has twice left a little shallow tub of mail just sitting in the mail room while he left and picked up a snack/drink.  I don't know why he didn't just bring the bin/tub with him while he ducked away.
 
2018-01-14 02:38:31 PM  

pedrop357: Companies get in trouble if they use another company's shipping services for non-time sensitive 1st class mailings.


We hear about this all the time
 
2018-01-14 03:14:35 PM  
When I was 12 or 13 I had a job delivering local a local buyers guide, full of junk and coupons.  One weekend we had plans to visit an  amusement park for the entire weekend.  I had to finish my route before we could leave.  I wound up dumping about half the guides down a drain.

Never worked there again but I had no regrets.  was an awesome weekend!
 
2018-01-14 03:26:42 PM  
I have no doubt that shiat happens. When everyone still wrote a check for all their payments, I mailed all my bills the same day at the same post office. None of them made it. By the end of the month I got calls from the car company, my landlord and everyone else I sent a check to. Biggest biatch was having to stop all those checks I wrote. They never did surface.
 
2018-01-14 05:04:30 PM  
Our delivery can get a little sloppy. We sometimes end up with our neighbors mail. Twice (with two different renters) we have received their mail - letters from a jail/prison.
In an effort to get our mail correctly we are now leaving gift cards for our carrier. Nothing big just $5 Subway,McDonald's or Starbucks on holidays.Their accuracy has improved but he/she has never said thanks.
 
2018-01-14 05:37:53 PM  

Resident Muslim: pueblonative: Resident Muslim: pueblonative: Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???

That's actually relatively quick based on some of the cases I've seen.  As to how he go away with it, I would not be surprised if he just started by burning the bulk mail before graduating to just throwing it all away.

Resident Muslim: How the hell is the sentencing for a maximum of five years?
Shouldn't that be for each piece of mail?

If you sentenced him for each piece of mail, there would be some rapists and murderers going free before this guy.

1) rapists and murders should NOT go free before this guy
2) this should get postal workers thinking before they burn 6 tub-fulls of personal mail, including hand-written letters from elderly family members over the holiday season.*

1.)  I didn't say should, I said would.  US Code specifies a max of 5 years To contrast, this guy got 11 years for sexual assault. Since he was doing this for five months, I don't think he burned just two pieces of mail.
2.)  Except in all the times that it didn't. Again and again and again.  And thten there's that whole "cruel an d unusual punishment" legalese the courts seem hell bent on upholding


/*gotta appreciate the sincere but obvious "appeal to empathy" there
//really, don't burn my mail
///just don't


okay, cupcake

Huh.
First time I've ever been called cupcake. I'm guessing you didn't understand my comment.

Anyways, you seem upset if you're reverting to name calling. So let's call it a day.


I understood it just about as much as you understood my argument as an appeal to emotion.  It wasn't.  It was an appeal to the law and to proportionality.  Like I said, this guy probably burned a hell of a lot more than one piece of mail for which he pled guilty to.  Even if it had gone to court there's absolutely no way he would have gotten consecutive sentences for each and every piece of mail that he burned.  There'd be no way to justify that with a straight face
As for the second part, I've seen people walked out of postal offices by inspectors for stealing stuff that they could have picked up for chump change. They risked their entire careers on crap they could have easily afforded.  If five years in a federal penitentiary before becoming one of the chronically unemployed AND have $250000 to pay off AND three years of supervised release (no doubt he will be billed for), not much short of a life sentence is going to deter them. Just make sure your systems are regularly monitored and move on from there.
 
2018-01-14 05:39:47 PM  

girlygirlmpls: I have no doubt that shiat happens. When everyone still wrote a check for all their payments, I mailed all my bills the same day at the same post office. None of them made it. By the end of the month I got calls from the car company, my landlord and everyone else I sent a check to. Biggest biatch was having to stop all those checks I wrote. They never did surface.


Could be.  Check your neighbors?
 
2018-01-14 05:53:25 PM  

pueblonative: Resident Muslim: pueblonative: Resident Muslim: pueblonative: Kirablue42: How in the hell did they not catch on that he was doing it for FIVE MONTHS???

That's actually relatively quick based on some of the cases I've seen.  As to how he go away with it, I would not be surprised if he just started by burning the bulk mail before graduating to just throwing it all away.

Resident Muslim: How the hell is the sentencing for a maximum of five years?
Shouldn't that be for each piece of mail?

If you sentenced him for each piece of mail, there would be some rapists and murderers going free before this guy.

1) rapists and murders should NOT go free before this guy
2) this should get postal workers thinking before they burn 6 tub-fulls of personal mail, including hand-written letters from elderly family members over the holiday season.*

1.)  I didn't say should, I said would.  US Code specifies a max of 5 years To contrast, this guy got 11 years for sexual assault. Since he was doing this for five months, I don't think he burned just two pieces of mail.
2.)  Except in all the times that it didn't. Again and again and again.  And thten there's that whole "cruel an d unusual punishment" legalese the courts seem hell bent on upholding


/*gotta appreciate the sincere but obvious "appeal to empathy" there
//really, don't burn my mail
///just don't


okay, cupcake

Huh.
First time I've ever been called cupcake. I'm guessing you didn't understand my comment.

Anyways, you seem upset if you're reverting to name calling. So let's call it a day.

I understood it just about as much as you understood my argument as an appeal to emotion.  It wasn't.  It was an appeal to the law and to proportionality.  Like I said, this guy probably burned a hell of a lot more than one piece of mail for which he pled guilty to.  Even if it had gone to court there's absolutely no way he would have gotten consecutive sentences for each and every piece of mail that he burned.  There'd be no way to justify that with a straight face
As for the second part, I've seen people walked out of postal offices by inspectors for stealing stuff that they could have picked up for chump change. They risked their entire careers on crap they could have easily afforded.  If five years in a federal penitentiary before becoming one of the chronically unemployed AND have $250000 to pay off AND three years of supervised release (no doubt he will be billed for), not much short of a life sentence is going to deter them. Just make sure your systems are regularly monitored and move on from there.


PN, the asterisk on the appeal to emotion slashie refers back to the asterisk above  where I had typed "hand-written letters from elderly family members".
 
2018-01-15 01:18:08 AM  
I use a service from the USPS called 'informed delivery'.  The post office scans every piece of first class mail sent to me.  I get an email every day with a photo of every piece of mail that will be delivered that day.  Packages also.
Sign up at usps.com.
 
2018-01-15 09:09:12 AM  
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