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2018-01-13 10:23:35 PM  
Lying about where it is makes more sense than creating a MH370 over it.
 
2018-01-13 10:28:30 PM  
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2018-01-13 11:29:40 PM  
It was the last, best hope, for mankind.

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2018-01-14 12:28:32 AM  

Summoner101: [thumbs.gfycat.com image 240x184]


What is that?
 
2018-01-14 01:06:10 AM  

sithon: Summoner101: [thumbs.gfycat.com image 240x184]

What is that?


Numa Numa
 
2018-01-14 01:54:01 AM  

sithon: Summoner101: [thumbs.gfycat.com image 240x184]

What is that?


Numa Numa
Youtube KmtzQCSh6xk
 
2018-01-14 02:07:35 AM  

Summoner101: sithon: Summoner101: [thumbs.gfycat.com image 240x184]

What is that?

[YouTube video: Numa Numa]


Hilarious. I've never seen that before.
 
2018-01-14 02:27:45 AM  
Have they tried shooting those little marbles at it?
 
2018-01-14 02:28:39 AM  

sithon: Summoner101: sithon: Summoner101: [thumbs.gfycat.com image 240x184]

What is that?

[YouTube video: Numa Numa]

Hilarious. I've never seen that before.


Welcome to the Internet!  Be sure to keep SafeSearch on until fully acclimatized.

You might have missed this, too:

Star Wars Kid
Youtube HPPj6viIBmU


/there are edits that lay on the actual lightsaber effects, but they're shorter
 
2018-01-14 06:13:41 AM  
Is this now an old meme thread?

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2018-01-14 06:39:47 AM  
I'd anticipated Zune or Zima jokes, but got Numa Nuna instead.
 
2018-01-14 06:53:34 AM  

swahnhennessy: I'd anticipated Zune or Zima jokes, but got Numa Nuna instead.


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2018-01-14 07:35:49 AM  

davidphogan: Lying about where it is makes more sense than creating a MH370 over it.


They are lying about where it is either way.
If people know it's up  there then they'll keep looking for it. If they think it crashed then they'll give up searching the skys and start searching the oceans. Eventually they'll give up that search too because irs futile.
Meanwhile the functional spy satellite is hard at work, Or it's destroyed, but you can't shake the feeling that it's alive because you can't prove it's dead.  The spooks win either way.

All I can say is "well played, sharks, well played"...

/remember this story is based on a lone politician who says they heard something in a closed door meeting.
/everyone else is either refusing to comment, differing blame, or saying there was no such statement.
/this means we have a storm of fake news conjecture based on a source that's know for lying, but we accept the lie since it fits our preconceptions.
 
2018-01-14 07:51:16 AM  
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This project is a waste of resources. In the early- to mid-game, just shoot down the UFO scouting for satellites. Late-game, let the scout go and shoot down the Battleship sent to destroy the satellite. It's worth the reputation hit from the Council to ignore the scout UFO, because downed Battleships are the sole source of Fusion Cores needed to make Blaster Launchers.
 
2018-01-14 08:25:30 AM  
My guess is, it's either On the Beach or Landing on Water. Hopefully nothing goes wrong with its Re•ac•tor.
 
2018-01-14 08:37:15 AM  
So there is an unnamed government agency making payouts to private companies? Not to get all crazy conspiracy but that gives vast leeway for all kinds of misbehavior.
 
2018-01-14 08:48:34 AM  
I'm currently getting back into KSP and was just launching some satellites to scan Kerbin & its muns last night so I'm getting a kick.

img.fark.netView Full Size


Its been a while and I think they've upped the influence aerodynamics has on launches since last time because I had a heck of a battle keeping the launch rocket stable until I started adding fins and hiding components inside storage bays which I don't remember ever having to deal with before.
 
2018-01-14 08:50:47 AM  

FlashHarry: My guess is, it's either On the Beach or Landing on Water. Hopefully nothing goes wrong with its Re•ac•tor.


Hawks & Doves fighting for control over it's information.
 
2018-01-14 09:12:39 AM  

Mad Bowl Hoo: FlashHarry: My guess is, it's either On the Beach or Landing on Water. Hopefully nothing goes wrong with its Re•ac•tor.

Hawks & Doves fighting for control over it's information.


Well, you know what they say, "Rust Never Sleeps."

/got nuthin
 
2018-01-14 09:23:03 AM  

berylman: So there is an unnamed government agency making payouts to private companies? Not to get all crazy conspiracy but that gives vast leeway for all kinds of misbehavior.


You're crazy for even suggesting it. The government has its own internal checks and is completely trustworthy at all times. Take off the tin hat you nut job.
 
2018-01-14 09:40:04 AM  
Did they check Adventure Bay?
 
2018-01-14 09:45:40 AM  

Summoner101: sithon: Summoner101: sithon: Summoner101: [thumbs.gfycat.com image 240x184]

What is that?

[YouTube video: Numa Numa]

Hilarious. I've never seen that before.

Welcome to the Internet!  Be sure to keep SafeSearch on until fully acclimatized.

You might have missed this, too:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/HPPj6viI​BmU]

/there are edits that lay on the actual lightsaber effects, but they're shorter


Not only ^that^, but if it isn't out already, go ahead and get your dick out.  I've got some bad news about a gorilla ;(
 
2018-01-14 09:47:20 AM  
We just don't want North Korea to know they are not the only nation to have successfully attacked the sea, and now have to be treated as an aquatic power.
 
2018-01-14 09:57:57 AM  

BumpInTheNight: I'm currently getting back into KSP and was just launching some satellites to scan Kerbin & its muns last night so I'm getting a kick.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Its been a while and I think they've upped the influence aerodynamics has on launches since last time because I had a heck of a battle keeping the launch rocket stable until I started adding fins and hiding components inside storage bays which I don't remember ever having to deal with before.


I've  been playing Science mode, since I got tired of running out of funds no matter what I did. I finally unlocked the warp drive mod by roverdude and wanted to see how it worked. Got a small little Phoenix like rocket with the small one attached and took it on a test run. And holy crap, that thing works.

Now I gotta figure out how to control translation speed. I could going 2000 k in Kerbin orbit, but heading anywhere else, I seem to be well above 9000 once I'm close to the target, and I don't know how to slow down. It's useful for collecting space science, but otherwise, it's merely for sightseeing if I can't slow down and enter orbits, or land. I need to figure out a vehicle that can slow itself down.
 
2018-01-14 09:58:02 AM  

Xanlexian: Summoner101: sithon: Summoner101: sithon: Summoner101: [thumbs.gfycat.com image 240x184]

What is that?

[YouTube video: Numa Numa]

Hilarious. I've never seen that before.

Welcome to the Internet!  Be sure to keep SafeSearch on until fully acclimatized.

You might have missed this, too:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/HPPj6viI​BmU]

/there are edits that lay on the actual lightsaber effects, but they're shorter

Not only ^that^, but if it isn't out already, go ahead and get your dick out.  I've got some bad news about a gorilla ;(


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2018-01-14 10:10:03 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: BumpInTheNight: I'm currently getting back into KSP and was just launching some satellites to scan Kerbin & its muns last night so I'm getting a kick.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Its been a while and I think they've upped the influence aerodynamics has on launches since last time because I had a heck of a battle keeping the launch rocket stable until I started adding fins and hiding components inside storage bays which I don't remember ever having to deal with before.

I've  been playing Science mode, since I got tired of running out of funds no matter what I did. I finally unlocked the warp drive mod by roverdude and wanted to see how it worked. Got a small little Phoenix like rocket with the small one attached and took it on a test run. And holy crap, that thing works.

Now I gotta figure out how to control translation speed. I could going 2000 k in Kerbin orbit, but heading anywhere else, I seem to be well above 9000 once I'm close to the target, and I don't know how to slow down. It's useful for collecting space science, but otherwise, it's merely for sightseeing if I can't slow down and enter orbits, or land. I need to figure out a vehicle that can slow itself down.


Okay yah that mod looks pretty insane and you're right it looks like its still a real biatch to keep enough conventional propulsion & fuel around to decelerate after a jump.
 
2018-01-14 10:11:57 AM  
WELL, DUH!

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2018-01-14 10:16:59 AM  

BumpInTheNight: ThatBillmanGuy: BumpInTheNight: I'm currently getting back into KSP and was just launching some satellites to scan Kerbin & its muns last night so I'm getting a kick.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Its been a while and I think they've upped the influence aerodynamics has on launches since last time because I had a heck of a battle keeping the launch rocket stable until I started adding fins and hiding components inside storage bays which I don't remember ever having to deal with before.

I've  been playing Science mode, since I got tired of running out of funds no matter what I did. I finally unlocked the warp drive mod by roverdude and wanted to see how it worked. Got a small little Phoenix like rocket with the small one attached and took it on a test run. And holy crap, that thing works.

Now I gotta figure out how to control translation speed. I could going 2000 k in Kerbin orbit, but heading anywhere else, I seem to be well above 9000 once I'm close to the target, and I don't know how to slow down. It's useful for collecting space science, but otherwise, it's merely for sightseeing if I can't slow down and enter orbits, or land. I need to figure out a vehicle that can slow itself down.

Okay yah that mod looks pretty insane and you're right it looks like its still a real biatch to keep enough conventional propulsion & fuel around to decelerate after a jump.


After speeding around the system, I was able to make a jump back into Kerbin's orbit that took my vehicle into the atmosphere to aerobrake.. Valentina passed out because of the Gs and I was afraid she was gonna burn up, but the rocket survived and she woke back up just in time for me to hit the chutes.

I can't even get the larger warp ring into the upper atmosphere. Every rocket I've built to haul it into orbit tips over in flight. I wonder what RoverDude had in mind for how people were supposed to use this thing.
 
2018-01-14 10:19:52 AM  

davidphogan: Lying about where it is makes more sense than creating a MH370 over it.


yea its lost just like pilots who keep seeing weather balloons. lack of a real Democracy can be a bummer.
 
2018-01-14 10:20:59 AM  

way south: davidphogan: Lying about where it is makes more sense than creating a MH370 over it.

They are lying about where it is either way.
If people know it's up  there then they'll keep looking for it. If they think it crashed then they'll give up searching the skys and start searching the oceans. Eventually they'll give up that search too because irs futile.
Meanwhile the functional spy satellite is hard at work, Or it's destroyed, but you can't shake the feeling that it's alive because you can't prove it's dead.  The spooks win either way.

All I can say is "well played, sharks, well played"...

/remember this story is based on a lone politician who says they heard something in a closed door meeting.
/everyone else is either refusing to comment, differing blame, or saying there was no such statement.
/this means we have a storm of fake news conjecture based on a source that's know for lying, but we accept the lie since it fits our preconceptions.


smoke and mirrors.
 
2018-01-14 10:22:32 AM  

reveal101: berylman: So there is an unnamed government agency making payouts to private companies? Not to get all crazy conspiracy but that gives vast leeway for all kinds of misbehavior.

You're crazy for even suggesting it. The government has its own internal checks and is completely trustworthy at all times. Take off the tin hat you nut job.


hey i got some great beachfront property in wyoming to sell.  cheap
 
2018-01-14 10:31:35 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: After speeding around the system, I was able to make a jump back into Kerbin's orbit that took my vehicle into the atmosphere to aerobrake.. Valentina passed out because of the Gs and I was afraid she was gonna burn up, but the rocket survived and she woke back up just in time for me to hit the chutes.

I can't even get the larger warp ring into the upper atmosphere. Every rocket I've built to haul it into orbit tips over in flight. I wonder what RoverDude had in mind for how people were supposed to use this thing.


Huh, reading a little bit around people are saying they do a couple short jumps in orbit around a target planet to get themselves lined up for conventional maneuvers after a trip.  I also wonder if the large ring was envisioned to be used with one of those mods that lets you start a new vehicle already in orbit.
 
2018-01-14 10:36:44 AM  

BumpInTheNight: ThatBillmanGuy: After speeding around the system, I was able to make a jump back into Kerbin's orbit that took my vehicle into the atmosphere to aerobrake.. Valentina passed out because of the Gs and I was afraid she was gonna burn up, but the rocket survived and she woke back up just in time for me to hit the chutes.

I can't even get the larger warp ring into the upper atmosphere. Every rocket I've built to haul it into orbit tips over in flight. I wonder what RoverDude had in mind for how people were supposed to use this thing.

Huh, reading a little bit around people are saying they do a couple short jumps in orbit around a target planet to get themselves lined up for conventional maneuvers after a trip.  I also wonder if the large ring was envisioned to be used with one of those mods that lets you start a new vehicle already in orbit.


Like a space dock mod? That makes sense.
 
2018-01-14 10:39:35 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: BumpInTheNight: ThatBillmanGuy: After speeding around the system, I was able to make a jump back into Kerbin's orbit that took my vehicle into the atmosphere to aerobrake.. Valentina passed out because of the Gs and I was afraid she was gonna burn up, but the rocket survived and she woke back up just in time for me to hit the chutes.

I can't even get the larger warp ring into the upper atmosphere. Every rocket I've built to haul it into orbit tips over in flight. I wonder what RoverDude had in mind for how people were supposed to use this thing.

Huh, reading a little bit around people are saying they do a couple short jumps in orbit around a target planet to get themselves lined up for conventional maneuvers after a trip.  I also wonder if the large ring was envisioned to be used with one of those mods that lets you start a new vehicle already in orbit.

Like a space dock mod? That makes sense.


Your conundrum does remind me of what I always inevitably do during a play through:  The 2-4 challenge, try to get a single rocket into orbit that's got 24 orange cans worth of fuel still on board.

I have a way more powerful computer now and with the 64bit engine this might be possible...well there goes sunday!  I'm doing a science run too, I did a career mode last time and it was going well but I found I sunk too much time into taxi runs for space tourists to generate cash.  It also left me far less creative since I didn't want to sink big money into ships that didn't have a return...not fun.
 
2018-01-14 10:43:29 AM  

berylman: So there is an unnamed government agency making payouts to private companies? Not to get all crazy conspiracy but that gives vast leeway for all kinds of misbehavior.


it's called the military industrial complex. It's been around since at least WWII.
 
2018-01-14 11:22:10 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: BumpInTheNight: I'm currently getting back into KSP and was just launching some satellites to scan Kerbin & its muns last night so I'm getting a kick.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Its been a while and I think they've upped the influence aerodynamics has on launches since last time because I had a heck of a battle keeping the launch rocket stable until I started adding fins and hiding components inside storage bays which I don't remember ever having to deal with before.

I've  been playing Science mode, since I got tired of running out of funds no matter what I did. I finally unlocked the warp drive mod by roverdude and wanted to see how it worked. Got a small little Phoenix like rocket with the small one attached and took it on a test run. And holy crap, that thing works.

Now I gotta figure out how to control translation speed. I could going 2000 k in Kerbin orbit, but heading anywhere else, I seem to be well above 9000 once I'm close to the target, and I don't know how to slow down. It's useful for collecting space science, but otherwise, it's merely for sightseeing if I can't slow down and enter orbits, or land. I need to figure out a vehicle that can slow itself down.


You need a secondary engine with less thrust.
 
2018-01-14 11:28:36 AM  

Parthenogenetic: [img.fark.net image 800x450]

This project is a waste of resources. In the early- to mid-game, just shoot down the UFO scouting for satellites. Late-game, let the scout go and shoot down the Battleship sent to destroy the satellite. It's worth the reputation hit from the Council to ignore the scout UFO, because downed Battleships are the sole source of Fusion Cores needed to make Blaster Launchers.


Yeah, but assaults and snipers are so much better than those no-aim heavies that it's not worth even bothering with the launcher upgrades.
 
2018-01-14 11:58:06 AM  

Parthenogenetic: [img.fark.net image 800x450]

This project is a waste of resources. In the early- to mid-game, just shoot down the UFO scouting for satellites. Late-game, let the scout go and shoot down the Battleship sent to destroy the satellite. It's worth the reputation hit from the Council to ignore the scout UFO, because downed Battleships are the sole source of Fusion Cores needed to make Blaster Launchers.


What game is this?  Im looking for a new game to waste time on play to completion.
 
2018-01-14 12:13:01 PM  

Warmachine999: Parthenogenetic: [img.fark.net image 800x450]

This project is a waste of resources. In the early- to mid-game, just shoot down the UFO scouting for satellites. Late-game, let the scout go and shoot down the Battleship sent to destroy the satellite. It's worth the reputation hit from the Council to ignore the scout UFO, because downed Battleships are the sole source of Fusion Cores needed to make Blaster Launchers.

What game is this?  Im looking for a new game to waste time on play to completion.


X-COM: Enemy Unknown.
 
2018-01-14 12:16:35 PM  
BumpInTheNight:Your conundrum does remind me of what I always inevitably do during a play through:  The 2-4 challenge, try to get a single rocket into orbit that's got 24 orange cans worth of fuel still on board.

I have a way more powerful computer now and with the 64bit engine this might be possible...well there goes sunday!  I'm doing a science run too, I did a career mode last time and it was going well but I found I sunk too much time into taxi runs for space tourists to generate cash.  It also left me far less creative since I didn't want to sink big money into ships that didn't have a return...not fun.


Exact same. I'd been wanting to go to Duna, Jool, etc... but I always found I never had the funds to launch the super expensive rocket I had spent 2 hours designing. So I too, resort to tourist runs, that waste a lot of the free time I had to even play the game. Science mode still gives a sense of progression. I do like upgrading facilities, so I wish there was a sort of halfway between the two, where you spent science to unlock facility upgrades. But at least I can get to Duna now.

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2018-01-14 12:22:35 PM  

RedVentrue: ThatBillmanGuy: BumpInTheNight: I'm currently getting back into KSP and was just launching some satellites to scan Kerbin & its muns last night so I'm getting a kick.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Its been a while and I think they've upped the influence aerodynamics has on launches since last time because I had a heck of a battle keeping the launch rocket stable until I started adding fins and hiding components inside storage bays which I don't remember ever having to deal with before.

I've  been playing Science mode, since I got tired of running out of funds no matter what I did. I finally unlocked the warp drive mod by roverdude and wanted to see how it worked. Got a small little Phoenix like rocket with the small one attached and took it on a test run. And holy crap, that thing works.

Now I gotta figure out how to control translation speed. I could going 2000 k in Kerbin orbit, but heading anywhere else, I seem to be well above 9000 once I'm close to the target, and I don't know how to slow down. It's useful for collecting space science, but otherwise, it's merely for sightseeing if I can't slow down and enter orbits, or land. I need to figure out a vehicle that can slow itself down.

You need a secondary engine with less thrust.


I know. But it's carrying the fuel required to drop from 9000 down to landing velocity.
 
2018-01-14 12:47:57 PM  

davidphogan: Lying about where it is makes more sense than creating a MH370 over it.


img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2018-01-14 01:15:18 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: BumpInTheNight: ThatBillmanGuy: After speeding around the system, I was able to make a jump back into Kerbin's orbit that took my vehicle into the atmosphere to aerobrake.. Valentina passed out because of the Gs and I was afraid she was gonna burn up, but the rocket survived and she woke back up just in time for me to hit the chutes.

I can't even get the larger warp ring into the upper atmosphere. Every rocket I've built to haul it into orbit tips over in flight. I wonder what RoverDude had in mind for how people were supposed to use this thing.

Huh, reading a little bit around people are saying they do a couple short jumps in orbit around a target planet to get themselves lined up for conventional maneuvers after a trip.  I also wonder if the large ring was envisioned to be used with one of those mods that lets you start a new vehicle already in orbit.

Like a space dock mod? That makes sense.


If memory serves you can cheat the active craft into orbit if you press f11.
 
2018-01-14 01:40:34 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: BumpInTheNight:Your conundrum does remind me of what I always inevitably do during a play through:  The 2-4 challenge, try to get a single rocket into orbit that's got 24 orange cans worth of fuel still on board.

I have a way more powerful computer now and with the 64bit engine this might be possible...well there goes sunday!  I'm doing a science run too, I did a career mode last time and it was going well but I found I sunk too much time into taxi runs for space tourists to generate cash.  It also left me far less creative since I didn't want to sink big money into ships that didn't have a return...not fun.

Exact same. I'd been wanting to go to Duna, Jool, etc... but I always found I never had the funds to launch the super expensive rocket I had spent 2 hours designing. So I too, resort to tourist runs, that waste a lot of the free time I had to even play the game. Science mode still gives a sense of progression. I do like upgrading facilities, so I wish there was a sort of halfway between the two, where you spent science to unlock facility upgrades. But at least I can get to Duna now.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]


I'm still fascinated by how big a change there's been in the aerodynamics factors, for instance I am working on my first manned mun landing and after a spectacular mis-calc in deceleration to land I opted to add some nose-cones to my launch staging...now I'm in position where my mail-sail central booster is still at about 10% fuel left and I get to use it to slow down on the approach to the mun...sweet!  Plus the nose cones make everything look cooler.

That shot of landed on Duna is wild btw, I'm working my way there slowly but surely :)  Just need bigger engines...and more struts.  The answer is always adding more struts.
 
2018-01-14 01:45:57 PM  
Lets just hope we don't end up with this

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2018-01-14 01:58:29 PM  
I suggest you check to see if Elon owns any oil platforms in Baha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt_Kn​4​DggPg
 
2018-01-14 01:59:08 PM  
Diamonds Are Forever : Blofeld's Killer Satellite
Youtube xt_Kn4DggPg
 
2018-01-14 02:01:16 PM  

sithon: Summoner101: [thumbs.gfycat.com image 240x184]

What is that?


How young or old are you?

Numa numa guy...
 
2018-01-14 02:13:04 PM  
BumpInTheNight:

I'm still fascinated by how big a change there's been in the aerodynamics factors, for instance I am working on my first manned mun landing and after a spectacular mis-calc in deceleration to land I opted to add some nose-cones to my launch staging...now I'm in position where my mail-sail central booster is still at about 10% fuel left and I get to use it to slow down on the approach to the mun...sweet!  Plus the nose cones make everything look cooler.

That shot of landed on Duna is wild btw, I'm working my way there slowly but surely :)  Just need bigger engines...and more struts.  The answer is always adding more struts.


Wow, you haven't played since the aerodynamics change?  You're absolutely right though.  Old KSP used to be pea soup for atmosphere.  You could launch pretty much any kind of space potato you could dream up.  Now though, fairings are your new life.  Other than that, keep your speeds below mach until you get up high enough that atmosphere isn't as much a factor.  Play around with it enough to get used to it, it's worth it for the difference it made for making planes.
 
2018-01-14 03:10:18 PM  

Sarien: Wow, you haven't played since the aerodynamics change? You're absolutely right though. Old KSP used to be pea soup for atmosphere. You could launch pretty much any kind of space potato you could dream up. Now though, fairings are your new life. Other than that, keep your speeds below mach until you get up high enough that atmosphere isn't as much a factor. Play around with it enough to get used to it, it's worth it for the difference it made for making planes.


I think I was playing when the first batch of aerodynamics was in-play but I think its improved greatly since then, or my previous play-throughs were brute-forcing my way through the atmosphere needlessly, which is likely.  :)  Its definitely the first time I've used tail-fins etc on rockets to stabilize the launch and witnessed significant gains by doing so.

So I got to the mun...and found out too late I F'ed up my asparagus feeds on the lander's four secondary tanks/jets, ouch.

Next try worked with this guy, just fixed the fuel and opted to be simpler with all four feeding into the final (return) stage's tank:
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I'm tempted to downgrade those boosters to the mid-sized guy, I didn't get too much extra V from the main rockets by doing it and yah I'm running pretty close to dangerous heat during the launch thanks to the added speed they produce.

I haven't played around with planes too much but that's on my agenda as well.  Figure I'll land on the mun a couple more times to get more science and then decide where I want to build a permanent orbital base to prepare for manned visits other planets and larger dropships to bring multiple scanning satellites to them.
 
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