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2018-01-13 06:53:51 PM  
"The (Academy Award) ceremonies are a two-hour meat parade, a public display with contrived suspense for economic reasons...The whole thing is offensive, barbarous and innately corrupt" -- George C. Scott
 
2018-01-13 08:10:57 PM  
I literally just walked in from seeing it and....I need a while to process this movie. And a hug, I need a hug. I am a big Martin Mcdonagh fan, and have loved all of his movies so far. This one is difficult.  Maybe because I've been waiting to see it since last summer and it could never live up to my expectations.
 
2018-01-13 08:14:43 PM  

Crewmannumber6: I literally just walked in from seeing it and....I need a while to process this movie. And a hug, I need a hug. I am a big Martin Mcdonagh fan, and have loved all of his movies so far. This one is difficult.  Maybe because I've been waiting to see it since last summer and it could never live up to my expectations.


Interesting.  I'm the same with McDonagh and this is a great cast.  In Bruges is a very nearly perfect movie, and I don't throw that kind of praise around like I'm Gene Shalit.  I'm also a little worried about my own expectations as a result.  Seeing it this week
 
2018-01-13 08:18:34 PM  

Naido: Crewmannumber6: I literally just walked in from seeing it and....I need a while to process this movie. And a hug, I need a hug. I am a big Martin Mcdonagh fan, and have loved all of his movies so far. This one is difficult.  Maybe because I've been waiting to see it since last summer and it could never live up to my expectations.

Interesting.  I'm the same with McDonagh and this is a great cast.  In Bruges is a very nearly perfect movie, and I don't throw that kind of praise around like I'm Gene Shalit.  I'm also a little worried about my own expectations as a result.  Seeing it this week


I'm an even bigger fan of his brother, John Michael Mcdonagh.  I consider Calgary a masterpiece.  Also a difficult movie to watch but will have you thinking about it for weeks.
 
2018-01-13 08:19:20 PM  
Calvary,  shiat
 
2018-01-13 08:23:06 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Naido: Crewmannumber6: I literally just walked in from seeing it and....I need a while to process this movie. And a hug, I need a hug. I am a big Martin Mcdonagh fan, and have loved all of his movies so far. This one is difficult.  Maybe because I've been waiting to see it since last summer and it could never live up to my expectations.

Interesting.  I'm the same with McDonagh and this is a great cast.  In Bruges is a very nearly perfect movie, and I don't throw that kind of praise around like I'm Gene Shalit.  I'm also a little worried about my own expectations as a result.  Seeing it this week

I'm an even bigger fan of his brother, John Michael Mcdonagh.  I consider Calgary a masterpiece.  Also a difficult movie to watch but will have you thinking about it for weeks.


I love Calvary too.  Thing is, In Bruges is a movie that a certain type of person thinks might be arty-farty, but anyone who actually watches it will at least like it.  Calvary's not for the faint of heart.  I wouldn't recommend it to someone unless I knew a little something about their tastes
 
2018-01-13 08:23:47 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Naido: Crewmannumber6: I literally just walked in from seeing it and....I need a while to process this movie. And a hug, I need a hug. I am a big Martin Mcdonagh fan, and have loved all of his movies so far. This one is difficult.  Maybe because I've been waiting to see it since last summer and it could never live up to my expectations.

Interesting.  I'm the same with McDonagh and this is a great cast.  In Bruges is a very nearly perfect movie, and I don't throw that kind of praise around like I'm Gene Shalit.  I'm also a little worried about my own expectations as a result.  Seeing it this week

I'm an even bigger fan of his brother, John Michael Mcdonagh.  I consider Calgary a masterpiece.  Also a difficult movie to watch but will have you thinking about it for weeks.


I'm an even bigger fan of their other brother Neal McDonough. Those eyes. So dreamy.
 
2018-01-13 08:24:34 PM  
It's no Killing of a Sacred Deer, that's for sure.
 
2018-01-13 08:25:58 PM  
Give all the awards to The Last Jedi. No one will expect it, just do it for the lulz.
 
2018-01-13 08:32:46 PM  

fusillade762: I'm an even bigger fan of their other brother Neal McDonough. Those eyes. So dreamy.


I always thought his eyes made him look a little fetal alcohol syndrome-ey
 
2018-01-13 08:33:36 PM  
Three Billboards was pretty good, and the acting deserves some awards, but I'm not sure it's deserves a best picture or best director, IMO.

I found Ladybird pretty entertaining, but completely forgettable.

Otherwise, I saw lots of other flicks I enjoyed much more (I, Toyna; Logan; Dunkirk; Lego Batman; Blade Runner 2049).
 
2018-01-13 08:40:38 PM  
FTA: The issue that many critics have raised with "Three Billboards" is that the film gives Sam Rockwell's Dixon, a racist half-wit cop notorious for violence against black people, a redemption arc that airbrushes over Dixon's racist crimes: McDonagh never shows Dixon's black victim, and that crime takes a backseat to the crime committed against the protagonist's daughter, a white woman.

jesus christ. you'd think everything has to be viewed with some level of racism filter. that whole paragraph pisses me off on a visceral level. they must not have watched the same movie i did, or are to goddamn stupid to pick out the real themes
 
2018-01-13 08:49:08 PM  

EdgeRunner: Give all the awards to The Last Jedi. No one will expect it, just do it for the lulz.


It's the only logical thing to do after Episode VII
 
2018-01-13 08:51:39 PM  

EdgeRunner: Give all the awards to The Last Jedi. No one will expect it, just do it for the lulz.


We maybe do owe Hamill and Ackbar a couple of career achievement make-up Oscars, a la Scorsese and Pacino.
 
2018-01-13 08:54:14 PM  
I just saw this movie.
It's farking good.
Hilarious.
Crazy.
Unpredictable.
Another gem from McDonagh.
 
2018-01-13 08:54:59 PM  

Naido: EdgeRunner: Give all the awards to The Last Jedi. No one will expect it, just do it for the lulz.

We maybe do owe Hamill and Ackbar a couple of career achievement make-up Oscars, a la Scorsese and Pacino.


Yeah, they should give Ackbar a career appreciation Oscar and accidentally forget to mention Fisher at all during the obituary section. That sounds about right for these things.
 
2018-01-13 08:59:03 PM  
Maybe the movie should be lauded for showing that most actual people don't easily fit in to good/evil buckets nor letting social stigma dictate the realities of its setting.
 
2018-01-13 08:59:12 PM  
SPOILERS

Why did the dude confront her in the gift shop if he had nothing to do with her daughters murder?

Also, why was the dude hanging around in town when he was from Utah? The guy spends several weeks there and then just leaves after the incident in the bar.
 
2018-01-13 09:02:37 PM  

EdgeRunner: Naido: EdgeRunner: Give all the awards to The Last Jedi. No one will expect it, just do it for the lulz.

We maybe do owe Hamill and Ackbar a couple of career achievement make-up Oscars, a la Scorsese and Pacino.

Yeah, they should give Ackbar a career appreciation Oscar and accidentally forget to mention Fisher at all during the obituary section. That sounds about right for these things.


My master plan involves Fisher getting Best Actress for something involving CGI in episode 9.  If Ackbar settles for career appreciation rather than best supporting . . . what's that word for when your enemies trick you into doing something that seems advantageous, but they're actually lying in wait to destroy you?  Somebody help me out, here
 
2018-01-13 09:05:16 PM  

Bob Dolemite: FTA: The issue that many critics have raised with "Three Billboards" is that the film gives Sam Rockwell's Dixon, a racist half-wit cop notorious for violence against black people, a redemption arc that airbrushes over Dixon's racist crimes: McDonagh never shows Dixon's black victim, and that crime takes a backseat to the crime committed against the protagonist's daughter, a white woman.

jesus christ. you'd think everything has to be viewed with some level of racism filter. that whole paragraph pisses me off on a visceral level. they must not have watched the same movie i did, or are to goddamn stupid to pick out the real themes


That's what happens when critics these days are falling over themselves to be Social Justice Warriors instead of movie critics. It's pathetic.
 
2018-01-13 09:08:35 PM  

Naido: EdgeRunner: Naido: EdgeRunner: Give all the awards to The Last Jedi. No one will expect it, just do it for the lulz.

We maybe do owe Hamill and Ackbar a couple of career achievement make-up Oscars, a la Scorsese and Pacino.

Yeah, they should give Ackbar a career appreciation Oscar and accidentally forget to mention Fisher at all during the obituary section. That sounds about right for these things.

My master plan involves Fisher getting Best Actress for something involving CGI in episode 9.  If Ackbar settles for career appreciation rather than best supporting . . . what's that word for when your enemies trick you into doing something that seems advantageous, but they're actually lying in wait to destroy you?  Somebody help me out, here


Marriage?
 
2018-01-13 09:09:31 PM  
SPOILER:

I thought Woody Harrelson did a great acting job after he killed himself.

And why was the title written this way: Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri, 'outside' not capitalized.
 
2018-01-13 09:10:05 PM  
Shouldn't a movie have at least one likable character?

/Woody's was the least unlikable character
 
2018-01-13 09:12:31 PM  

good_2_go: Shouldn't a movie have at least one likable character?

/Woody's was the least unlikable character


go away
 
2018-01-13 09:16:22 PM  

moothemagiccow: good_2_go: Shouldn't a movie have at least one likable character?

/Woody's was the least unlikable character

go away


Well somebody's certainly in a mood tonight.
 
2018-01-13 09:17:41 PM  

good_2_go: Shouldn't a movie have at least one likable character?

/Woody's was the least unlikable character


Red Welby was unlikable? Jerome? Woody's wife(hubba hubba)? Denise? Robbie? Did you actually see the movie?
 
2018-01-13 09:23:45 PM  
I finally got to see it a couple of days ago and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
 
2018-01-13 09:25:13 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: EdgeRunner: Give all the awards to The Last Jedi. No one will expect it, just do it for the lulz.

It's the only logical thing to do after Episode VII


Porgs for best supporting actors!
 
2018-01-13 09:32:30 PM  

fusillade762: I'm an even bigger fan of their other brother Neal McDonough. Those eyes. So dreamy.


He's got the same eyes as Meg Foster -- so albino they invert from dreamy into creepy.
 
2018-01-13 09:33:49 PM  

bot68: SPOILERS

Why did the dude confront her in the gift shop if he had nothing to do with her daughters murder?

Also, why was the dude hanging around in town when he was from Utah? The guy spends several weeks there and then just leaves after the incident in the bar.


I figured he was a drifter who knew somebody there or had occasional business there. He was there twice; I didn't assume he was also present in the interim.

EdgeRunner:
Well somebody's certainly in a mood tonight.

That's just the fruitiest way to dislike something. It reminds me of when people didn't like the wife in Breaking Bad. "She's such a biatch, I don't like her" You don't have to like anybody. It's a really childish criticism, like everybody's supposed to be farking Captain America, the witty, musclebound, handsome boy scout. I watch movies with farking humans in them. If you like cartoons better, go watch cartoons.
 
2018-01-13 09:37:14 PM  

moothemagiccow: bot68: SPOILERS

Why did the dude confront her in the gift shop if he had nothing to do with her daughters murder?

Also, why was the dude hanging around in town when he was from Utah? The guy spends several weeks there and then just leaves after the incident in the bar.

I figured he was a drifter who knew somebody there or had occasional business there. He was there twice; I didn't assume he was also present in the interim.

EdgeRunner:
Well somebody's certainly in a mood tonight.

That's just the fruitiest way to dislike something. It reminds me of when people didn't like the wife in Breaking Bad. "She's such a biatch, I don't like her" You don't have to like anybody. It's a really childish criticism, like everybody's supposed to be farking Captain America, the witty, musclebound, handsome boy scout. I watch movies with farking humans in them. If you like cartoons better, go watch cartoons.


That's a lot of assumptions. Instead of airly trying to dismiss people from a conversation because you think you've got them all figured out, why not ask a simple question like "Really? Why would you think that?"

When you take the first approach, you're the one who's not contributing to the discussion, not them.
 
2018-01-13 10:42:02 PM  

EdgeRunner: Naido: EdgeRunner: Naido: EdgeRunner: Give all the awards to The Last Jedi. No one will expect it, just do it for the lulz.

We maybe do owe Hamill and Ackbar a couple of career achievement make-up Oscars, a la Scorsese and Pacino.

Yeah, they should give Ackbar a career appreciation Oscar and accidentally forget to mention Fisher at all during the obituary section. That sounds about right for these things.

My master plan involves Fisher getting Best Actress for something involving CGI in episode 9.  If Ackbar settles for career appreciation rather than best supporting . . . what's that word for when your enemies trick you into doing something that seems advantageous, but they're actually lying in wait to destroy you?  Somebody help me out, here

Marriage?


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2018-01-13 11:11:45 PM  

Badmoodman: SPOILER:

I thought Woody Harrelson did a great acting job after he killed himself.

And why was the title written this way: Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri, 'outside' not capitalized.


because you don't capitalize prepositions in a title.
 
2018-01-13 11:19:16 PM  
obviously, it's doomed to lose since it isn't about the holocaust.
 
2018-01-13 11:24:30 PM  

GoodHomer: Three Billboards was pretty good, and the acting deserves some awards, but I'm not sure it's deserves a best picture or best director, IMO.

I found Ladybird pretty entertaining, but completely forgettable.

Otherwise, I saw lots of other flicks I enjoyed much more (I, Toyna; Logan; Dunkirk; Lego Batman; Blade Runner 2049).


I just read the Wiki for Ladybird and it looks like it checks off everything for Oscar bait except for Nazis, sumptuous period piece, or physical/mental deformity
 
2018-01-13 11:31:50 PM  
3BoEM was a good movie with great performances. I  would vote for Dunkirk before it with no hesitation,  though.
 
2018-01-13 11:41:35 PM  

Fano: GoodHomer: Three Billboards was pretty good, and the acting deserves some awards, but I'm not sure it's deserves a best picture or best director, IMO.

I found Ladybird pretty entertaining, but completely forgettable.

Otherwise, I saw lots of other flicks I enjoyed much more (I, Toyna; Logan; Dunkirk; Lego Batman; Blade Runner 2049).

I just read the Wiki for Ladybird and it looks like it checks off everything for Oscar bait except for Nazis, sumptuous period piece, or physical/mental deformity


we've all seen Ladybird before
it's every coming of age movie except it stars a woman it's written by a woman and it's directed by a woman
yes i know it farkin sucks that literally every movie is about men and by men and sometimes there's not even women in them, and when there is they're dancing topless
but outside of checking those checkboxes it's a really ordinary movie
like Juno was basically this movie except it had a plot and was really funny, not just kind of funny
 
2018-01-13 11:50:17 PM  

carnifex2005: Bob Dolemite: FTA: The issue that many critics have raised with "Three Billboards" is that the film gives Sam Rockwell's Dixon, a racist half-wit cop notorious for violence against black people, a redemption arc that airbrushes over Dixon's racist crimes: McDonagh never shows Dixon's black victim, and that crime takes a backseat to the crime committed against the protagonist's daughter, a white woman.

jesus christ. you'd think everything has to be viewed with some level of racism filter. that whole paragraph pisses me off on a visceral level. they must not have watched the same movie i did, or are to goddamn stupid to pick out the real themes

That's what happens when critics these days are falling over themselves to be Social Justice Warriors instead of movie critics. It's pathetic.


I liked an NPR review of Get Out where the  AA reviewer was giving praise to expressing a fear that AAs have in a manner that really hasn't been done in a major motion picture etc etc and the female reviewer paid a little lip service then dogged the movie with "why does the woman have to be a femme fatale" with a diatribe about the existence of that misogynistic trope... and it suddenly became as icily quiet as a bridesmaid trying to upstage the bride during the ceremony.
 
kab
2018-01-14 12:41:30 AM  
Globes award marks "Three Billboards" as this year's "La La Land"

Eww, it's a musical?  Time to scratch it off my 'must watch' list when it hits Amazon Prime.
 
kab
2018-01-14 12:46:04 AM  

Fano: I liked an NPR review of Get Out where the  AA reviewer was giving praise to expressing a fear that AAs have in a manner that really hasn't been done in a major motion picture etc etc and the female reviewer paid a little lip service then dogged the movie with "why does the woman have to be a femme fatale" with a diatribe about the existence of that misogynistic trope... and it suddenly became as icily quiet as a bridesmaid trying to upstage the bride during the ceremony.


Which is funny, because Get Out is a rather mediocre thriller.    The only really memorable element of the film is Betty Gabriel, who's performance doesn't get nearly enough screen time.
 
2018-01-14 12:59:17 AM  

bot68: SPOILERS

Why did the dude confront her in the gift shop if he had nothing to do with her daughters murder?

Also, why was the dude hanging around in town when he was from Utah? The guy spends several weeks there and then just leaves after the incident in the bar.


He read about the controversy in the news.

He went there to cause trouble.

He was bonkers.
 
2018-01-14 01:00:26 AM  
Loved this movie.
 
2018-01-14 01:27:09 AM  
Bob Dolemite:jesus christ. you'd think everything has to be viewed with some level of racism filter. that whole paragraph pisses me off on a visceral level. they must not have watched the same movie i did, or are to goddamn stupid to pick out the real themes

Came here to write this.  The movie was not about redemption, merely change and acceptance of change.  None of the characters were particularly pleasant, but that shouldn't be to point of a good film.  "Get Out" was OK as was "Logan", "Dunkirk" was well filmed, but whether or not the people were acting or reacting is unclear.  Given that I didn't even bother watching "La La", I can't comment on a comparison.
The last year was a poor year for movies.
 
2018-01-14 01:30:52 AM  

Not_Todd: 3BoEM was a good movie with great performances. I  would vote for Dunkirk before it with no hesitation,  though.


I liked Dunkirk for the spectacle.

I preferred Billboards for the complex characters.

Woody Harrelson's character definitely kept me guessing.
 
2018-01-14 02:05:31 AM  

kab: Globes award marks "Three Billboards" as this year's "La La Land"

Eww, it's a musical?  Time to scratch it off my 'must watch' list when it hits Amazon Prime.


it is definitely not a musical
 
2018-01-14 03:38:01 AM  
I was pretty sure I'd at least like it as Martin McDonagh hasn't made a movie yet that I didn't think was awesome. Not only did I like it, it's probably his best film to date. That man knows black comedy.
 
2018-01-14 07:27:46 AM  

kab: Fano: I liked an NPR review of Get Out where the  AA reviewer was giving praise to expressing a fear that AAs have in a manner that really hasn't been done in a major motion picture etc etc and the female reviewer paid a little lip service then dogged the movie with "why does the woman have to be a femme fatale" with a diatribe about the existence of that misogynistic trope... and it suddenly became as icily quiet as a bridesmaid trying to upstage the bride during the ceremony.

Which is funny, because Get Out is a rather mediocre thriller.    The only really memorable element of the film is Betty Gabriel, who's performance doesn't get nearly enough screen time.


No. No. No, no no no.  Get Out was much more than mediocre.
 
2018-01-14 07:55:50 AM  
No one disputes Hollywood was a cesspit, especially in its Golden heyday:  Gods walking among mere mortals, studios manipulating and covering for horrible acts committed by their best and brightest... a horror of predators and their prey - destroying people's lives/souls simply because they could. This was all well known, and... accepted. So many true victims, their lives sacrificed at the altar of fame, justified as just the cost of doing business.

But now... There has been a shift in the perception of the actions in a person's life, and what the public judges - victim, scumbag, someone worthy of praise or pariah. Every perception must be boiled down to an immediate praise/dismissal of an individual's worth - not by a lifetime of work - but often by a sound bite that may or may not reflect what actually ocurred; but if the sound bite is titillating... they are a monster.

So now the Awards are caught in this backlash - (insert hyperbole) -  a rush similar to the French Revolution: send them all to the guillotine and let God sort them out. How can they award or recognize someone/anyone, not the truly evil predators, but fictional, flawed characters in a movie.  Really. There's progress, social correction, and then there is a sharpening of the knives...

It seems only yesterday when Hollywood would praise some poor 'victim': some beloved celebrity (so talented) who had done terrible things, fought their internal demons and 'bravely' overthrew their drug/alcohol addictions. But now, in that same alcohol/drug induced haze, that self-entitled bubble where - not as a predator, but simply being young and horny they did something stupid... heretic! unclean!

When the pendulum has swung so far you must question the social implications of a fictional character's flaws and not the actor's performance...

that's not being sensitive, that's being fricking stupid.
 
2018-01-14 09:22:15 AM  

Crewmannumber6: I literally just walked in from seeing it and....I need a while to process this movie. And a hug, I need a hug. I am a big Martin Mcdonagh fan, and have loved all of his movies so far. This one is difficult.  Maybe because I've been waiting to see it since last summer and it could never live up to my expectations.


It's a great character study about how tragedy can corrupt someone, but the plot doesn't really make sense.
 
2018-01-14 09:28:20 AM  

Bob Dolemite: FTA: The issue that many critics have raised with "Three Billboards" is that the film gives Sam Rockwell's Dixon, a racist half-wit cop notorious for violence against black people, a redemption arc that airbrushes over Dixon's racist crimes: McDonagh never shows Dixon's black victim, and that crime takes a backseat to the crime committed against the protagonist's daughter, a white woman.

jesus christ. you'd think everything has to be viewed with some level of racism filter. that whole paragraph pisses me off on a visceral level. they must not have watched the same movie i did, or are to goddamn stupid to pick out the real themes


The thing to realize about 3 Billboards is that the good guy is Harrelson, not McDormand.
 
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