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(Entertainment Weekly)   Second season of Neil deGrasse Tyson's Cosmos reboot to make its way into the universe in 2019   ( ew.com) divider line
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2018-01-13 09:32:50 PM  
Cool.

The past couple of years have yielded some of the most important cosmology/physics discoveries evar. We need dis.

/sagan's series' reenactments were better than the cartoons from the reboot, but that's a minor quibble
 
2018-01-13 09:38:10 PM  
Let's hope they do better this time.
I wanted to like it. But nope. The crappy animation killed it for me.
 
2018-01-13 10:31:30 PM  
If only Neil deGrasse Tyson wasn't boring as all hell....

Can we get Morgan Freeman to do it instead?
 
2018-01-13 10:52:31 PM  

optikeye: Let's hope they do better this time.
I wanted to like it. But nope. The crappy animation killed it for me.


That was my take at first, too.  But I ended up binging the season again, and on a second look the animation wasn't as obnoxious.  It still was goofy but wasn't as cringeworthy as I'd recalled.

I'd still rather they do live reenactments instead of cartoons, but *shrug* it's not the worst thing.
 
2018-01-13 11:13:39 PM  
Look out. We got a badass over here.
 
2018-01-13 11:51:18 PM  
Neil Tyson is no Sagan, and it's pretty obvious in his work.
 
2018-01-13 11:52:45 PM  

LordZorch: If only Neil deGrasse Tyson wasn't boring as all hell....

Can we get Morgan Freeman to do it instead?


Cosmic Tittay Sprinkles. I could go for that.

....those?
 
2018-01-13 11:53:02 PM  
Can we get someone other than NDT to do it?
 
2018-01-14 12:13:03 AM  
The thing that gripes me about NdGT is how he keeps saying how honored he is to follow in Sagan's footsteps. He often tells the story of how Sagan let a young Tyson stay in his home while preparing to go to grad school. What he neglects to mention is that Sagan was trying to recruit Tyson for Sagan's alma mater, but Tyson, after accepting Sagan's kindness and guidance, spurned his alma mater and went with another school.

Also, he handled the Bush situation poorly. He had a golden opportunity to talk about how we all, even he, are subject to confirmation bias and must constantly guard against it. Yet he didn't do that, and it made him look all the more underhanded.

That said, he's very talented at making scientific concepts approachable, and is good at thinking on the spur of a moment. This is one of my favorite examples from about a decade ago:
Neil DeGrasse Tyson - How to Deflect a Killer Asteroid
Youtube 1-ReuLZ2quc
Do watch the whole thing for important background info, but his comeback towards the end starting at around 4:20 was sheer genius.
 
2018-01-14 12:24:35 AM  
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2018-01-14 12:44:19 AM  
I haven't seen the first. Does that make me a bad person? I saw Sagan's original when I was nine years old and it had a huge impact on my interests and outlook. I even wrote a letter to Carl Sagan after watching it about how much it fascinated and inspired me.

Am I still a bad person?
 
2018-01-14 01:06:36 AM  
This is the post-2016 update on FOX, where it will be explained how we don't know anything because we weren't there, but we are absolutely sure that the Universe and everything was created in 7 days, the Earth is Flat and only 6,000 years old, Jesus was actually not a carpenter but a Dinosaur Wrangler and CNN are illegitimate fake news and you're going to burn in Hell if you vote for a single solitary Dem in 2018
 
2018-01-14 01:26:46 AM  

Gordon Bennett: I haven't seen the first. Does that make me a bad person? I saw Sagan's original when I was nine years old and it had a huge impact on my interests and outlook. I even wrote a letter to Carl Sagan after watching it about how much it fascinated and inspired me.

Am I still a bad person?


No.  With all that's going on in this world, right now?  I'll never fault a man for not watching a specific show.  Get to it when you can, and if life dictates that you can't, ask us for the cliff notes.
 
2018-01-14 01:45:37 AM  
I wish Netflix would bring back the Sagan version. It was one of the best shows to put on to fall asleep to.

Don't get me wrong! I love the show. It's the soothing voice that I like. Also, if you're falling asleep to something, then Cosmos is better than most other programming to be slipped into your subconscious mind.
 
2018-01-14 02:01:12 AM  

baxterdog: I wish Netflix would bring back the Sagan version. It was one of the best shows to put on to fall asleep to.

Don't get me wrong! I love the show. It's the soothing voice that I like. Also, if you're falling asleep to something, then Cosmos is better than most other programming to be slipped into your subconscious mind.


Planet Earth is my go to for this.
 
2018-01-14 02:39:03 AM  
The original theme.
Vangelis - Cosmos (Theme from TV Series)
Youtube 80Lwj_ybVno
 
2018-01-14 02:48:37 AM  

JonBuck: The original theme.
[YouTube video: Vangelis - Cosmos (Theme from TV Series)]


I'd never heard that before. At the very end there, I was half wondering if they'd suddenly start playing Chariots Of Fire. They reused some of that same melody there.
 
2018-01-14 02:51:58 AM  
I should also note there's a continuous (original) Cosmos marathon on Twitch.
 
2018-01-14 02:52:21 AM  
Okay: fark the cartoons. Less cartoons, more Neil explaining stuff to the camera using metaphors and visual aids. And do it with a poetic eloquence the way Carl did. Expound on the wonder of the infinite and unknown more, to tickle the curiosity of young viewers.

Oh, and fark Alan Silvestri. Bring back Vangelis.

If he's not interested, a worthy substitute is Solar Fields. Or anyone off of Ultimae. Less tinkering and noodling, more spacey soundscapes and atmospherics. This isn't that hard.
 
2018-01-14 03:03:50 AM  

JonBuck: The original theme.
[Youtube 80Lwj_ybVno image 480x360][Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/80Lwj_yb​Vno]


The original theme, with new series title:

New Cosmos Intro with Old Cosmos Theme
Youtube 2osHL4B2yGE
 
2018-01-14 03:11:26 AM  

cyberspacedout: JonBuck: The original theme.
[YouTube video: Vangelis - Cosmos (Theme from TV Series)]

I'd never heard that before. At the very end there, I was half wondering if they'd suddenly start playing Chariots Of Fire. They reused some of that same melody there.


Well, same composer, and similar era. From memory, though, most of the Cosmos theme was actually an excerpt from Heaven and Hell.

Wikipedia agrees: "Carl Sagan's TV series Cosmos: A Personal Voyage (1980),[29] uses several pieces composed by Vangelis during the 1970s, including the series' opening theme, Heaven and Hell's 3rd movement.[29] In 1986, Vangelis was actively involved in the composition of new music for the special edition.[26] Vangelis recalls he was sent by Sagan some sounds collected by satellites, which were exactly what he heard as a child.[3] " -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vang​elis​#Other_works

Regardless of the origin, that music stuck with me. Thanks for giving me an excuse to listen to it again!
 
2018-01-14 03:59:39 AM  
I like "Cosmos" better when it wasn't peppered with complaints about religion and bad history.
 
2018-01-14 07:45:58 AM  

LordZorch: If only Neil deGrasse Tyson wasn't boring as all hell....

Can we get Morgan Freeman to do it instead?


you just need to be on the right wavelength

Neil Degrasse Tyson [SLOW MOTION]
Youtube jSHNyppwS5w
 
2018-01-14 08:50:46 AM  
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2018-01-14 09:00:01 AM  

gameshowhost: optikeye: Let's hope they do better this time.
I wanted to like it. But nope. The crappy animation killed it for me.

That was my take at first, too.  But I ended up binging the season again, and on a second look the animation wasn't as obnoxious.  It still was goofy but wasn't as cringeworthy as I'd recalled.

I'd still rather they do live reenactments instead of cartoons, but *shrug* it's not the worst thing.


What bugged me most is the few episodes I saw seemed like they were just trying to make a rebuttal to creationists as though they were watching the program and could actually be educated.

Stop trying to engage those idiots. As someone said above, there have been a lot of discoveries in just the last few years. I'd really like to get more information on some of that in a way dumnassess like me can understand.
 
2018-01-14 09:14:36 AM  

gameshowhost: Cool.

The past couple of years have yielded some of the most important cosmology/physics discoveries evar. We need dis.

/sagan's series' reenactments were better than the cartoons from the reboot, but that's a minor quibble


i just want the space aliens to stop zipping around the universe until humans get the physics of it worked out. as of now its impossible.
 
2018-01-14 09:42:16 AM  

big pig peaches: gameshowhost: optikeye: Let's hope they do better this time.
I wanted to like it. But nope. The crappy animation killed it for me.

That was my take at first, too.  But I ended up binging the season again, and on a second look the animation wasn't as obnoxious.  It still was goofy but wasn't as cringeworthy as I'd recalled.

I'd still rather they do live reenactments instead of cartoons, but *shrug* it's not the worst thing.

What bugged me most is the few episodes I saw seemed like they were just trying to make a rebuttal to creationists as though they were watching the program and could actually be educated.

Stop trying to engage those idiots. As someone said above, there have been a lot of discoveries in just the last few years. I'd really like to get more information on some of that in a way dumnassess like me can understand.


They probably get more viewers by rebutting those points, unfortunately.
 
2018-01-14 09:49:56 AM  
Not only that, but there are a sizable amount of people who, while not necessarily wholeheartedly endorsing it, believe creationism is plausible - people like children of evangelicals. They absolutely can and should be reached.
 
2018-01-14 10:55:33 AM  
I agree with those who say too many cartoons and poor animation. That is why I never watched the series for a second time.
 
2018-01-14 12:06:28 PM  
It's a good thing Sagan never debunked strongly held religious beliefs in the original Cosmos, otherwise it might have sucked.

Then where did God come from? (Carl Sagan)
Youtube 8EQDhtVl_50


Also, I'm not sure where the dislike for the animation came from. It wasn't bad animation and is so much easier to show historical stories that way. They made efforts to draw them the way they actually looked (hence we never see Hooke's face) instead of trying to find some actor that halfway resembles whatever historic figure they're discussing in the episode. Also, it's not like they were skimping on the graphical department in other parts of the show.
 
2018-01-14 12:41:39 PM  

big pig peaches: gameshowhost: optikeye: Let's hope they do better this time.
I wanted to like it. But nope. The crappy animation killed it for me.

That was my take at first, too.  But I ended up binging the season again, and on a second look the animation wasn't as obnoxious.  It still was goofy but wasn't as cringeworthy as I'd recalled.

I'd still rather they do live reenactments instead of cartoons, but *shrug* it's not the worst thing.

What bugged me most is the few episodes I saw seemed like they were just trying to make a rebuttal to creationists as though they were watching the program and could actually be educated.

Stop trying to engage those idiots. As someone said above, there have been a lot of discoveries in just the last few years. I'd really like to get more information on some of that in a way dumnassess like me can understand.


Ya, I suppose.

/also that 'someone said above' was me (._.)
 
2018-01-14 02:19:02 PM  
 My biggest problem with the new version was the pacing.  The segments, animation, and jibes as (religious and political) ignorance were ok.  Tyson and Sagan are different on delivery but still good on how they explain concepts and bringing a sense of wonder.  But the original series seemed to provide more points where it would give the viewer a break to reflect for a moment on the content given; which I can understand was a lot easier to pull off on a commerical free PBS delivered show.
 
2018-01-14 02:35:52 PM  

optikeye: Let's hope they do better this time.
I wanted to like it. But nope. The crappy animation killed it for me.


The lack of actual science killed it for me.

For example, the Sagan version had actual "demonstrations" of relativity using a 30 kph limit for the speed of light, using a person on a motor scooter.  It was an accessible, easily understood thought experiment.

The NdGT version of that episode didn't explain relativity at all.  No demonstrations.

I was all like Ian Malcolm "OK, you do eventually plan on having some science on your science show, right?".
 
2018-01-14 05:44:48 PM  
Hopefully they stop dumbing it down with cartoons and metaphors. People can handle a few equations, and if they happen to accidentally learn some tensor calculus then so be it.
 
2018-01-14 06:15:00 PM  

LordZorch: If only Neil deGrasse Tyson wasn't boring as all hell....

Can we get Morgan Freeman to do it instead?


Through the Wormhole is a cosmic scale piece of crap, even with Freeman voicing it.
 
2018-01-14 06:51:55 PM  

duckpoopy: Hopefully they stop dumbing it down with cartoons and metaphors. People can handle a few equations, and if they happen to accidentally learn some tensor calculus then so be it.


I really don't think Cosmos is the right place for calculus. That's not something you learn by osmosis--it takes a strong background in advanced mathematics and I haven't had a math course in twenty years. If you really want that kind of detail go watch the vids on PBS SpaceTime on YouTube.
 
2018-01-14 08:23:36 PM  

trenon462: It's a good thing Sagan never debunked strongly held religious beliefs in the original Cosmos, otherwise it might have sucked.

[Youtube 8EQDhtVl_50 image 480x270][Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/8EQDhtVl​_50]


There's always the edited version..
Carl Sagan's Cosmos, edited for Rednecks
Youtube J62JQ3yBXds
 
2018-01-14 10:17:03 PM  
I liked the new series as much as I liked the original. Though I felt a lot was different, the thing that really drew me and fascinated me was how the captured the same sense of wonder from the original series, how you never knew immediately what themes the show would build on. I'm very glad that they're renewing it.
 
2018-01-14 10:20:32 PM  
Two things they need to do to make it watchable.  1) lose Seth LET ME CRAM MY RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL VIEWS DOWN YOUR THROAT EVERY CHANCE I GET McFarlane, and 2) get the history down a little more accurately.
 
2018-01-15 02:58:31 AM  
I didn't hate the animation. It had a crude aesthetic that provided a nice contrast to the futuristic theme of the rest of the show--as if to say: here we're going back into history, where it can be rough, jagged, and sometimes murky.
 
2018-01-15 08:19:52 AM  

COMALite J: The thing that gripes me about NdGT is how he keeps saying how honored he is to follow in Sagan's footsteps. He often tells the story of how Sagan let a young Tyson stay in his home while preparing to go to grad school. What he neglects to mention is that Sagan was trying to recruit Tyson for Sagan's alma mater, but Tyson, after accepting Sagan's kindness and guidance, spurned his alma mater and went with another school.



I don't think Sagan would have gotten upset that Tyson chose a different school.  He would be happy that a potentially talented kid was going to school.  Besides a kid getting a tour but eventually going to a different school is not exactly an uncommon event and kids who get a professor to show them around are under no moral obligation to attend that school.  Only the most small-minded professor would consider that a slight.
 
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