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(NFL)   Oakland Raiders re-hire their former head coach. This is not a repeat from a few days ago   ( nfl.com) divider line
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2018-01-13 04:51:18 PM  
Didn't he punch and break an underling's jaw while their head coach?
 
2018-01-13 08:46:03 PM  

Dr.Fey: Didn't he punch and break an underling's jaw while their head coach?


And this disqualifies him from being a member of the Raiders organization how? Other than the whole "assault and battery" thing, that is.
 
2018-01-13 08:52:34 PM  
I heard they wanted Hue Jackson, but he'll be unavailable until October...
 
2018-01-13 09:28:51 PM  
I'm not sure if it came up earlier, but anyone else think that it's a bit... odd... that all the Raiders had to do to fulfill the Rooney Rule was to say that they interviewed a minority? Why didn't Matt Millen think of that back when he got fined for not interviewing minorities?
 
2018-01-13 09:46:58 PM  

meanmutton: I'm not sure if it came up earlier, but anyone else think that it's a bit... odd... that all the Raiders had to do to fulfill the Rooney Rule was to say that they interviewed a minority? Why didn't Matt Millen think of that back when he got fined for not interviewing minorities?


The Raiders didn't just "say" they interviewed 2 minority candidates. They actually did bring in Tee Martin from USC's staff as well as their own RB's coach.  Now we're they pointless because they already knew they wanted Gruden? Sure, but that doesn't mean the interviews didn't happen.
 
2018-01-13 10:14:55 PM  

the1hatman: meanmutton: I'm not sure if it came up earlier, but anyone else think that it's a bit... odd... that all the Raiders had to do to fulfill the Rooney Rule was to say that they interviewed a minority? Why didn't Matt Millen think of that back when he got fined for not interviewing minorities?

The Raiders didn't just "say" they interviewed 2 minority candidates. They actually did bring in Tee Martin from USC's staff as well as their own RB's coach.  Now we're they pointless because they already knew they wanted Gruden? Sure, but that doesn't mean the interviews didn't happen.


which makes the whole rooney rule stupid. They know who they wanted but had to waste a bunch of peoples time to appear to be PC
 
2018-01-13 10:51:07 PM  
Good luck with that, Raiders. And maybe he does a better job with linemen who are already good players. His project of trying to turn raw athletes into pro football players in Seattle was a miserable failure.
 
2018-01-13 10:57:12 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: the1hatman: meanmutton: I'm not sure if it came up earlier, but anyone else think that it's a bit... odd... that all the Raiders had to do to fulfill the Rooney Rule was to say that they interviewed a minority? Why didn't Matt Millen think of that back when he got fined for not interviewing minorities?

The Raiders didn't just "say" they interviewed 2 minority candidates. They actually did bring in Tee Martin from USC's staff as well as their own RB's coach.  Now we're they pointless because they already knew they wanted Gruden? Sure, but that doesn't mean the interviews didn't happen.

which makes the whole rooney rule stupid. They know who they wanted but had to waste a bunch of peoples time to appear to be PC


Yes, I'd prefer it if they went back to the good old days of not even interviewing minorities for coaching positions, too.
 
2018-01-14 01:49:11 AM  

IlGreven: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: the1hatman: meanmutton: I'm not sure if it came up earlier, but anyone else think that it's a bit... odd... that all the Raiders had to do to fulfill the Rooney Rule was to say that they interviewed a minority? Why didn't Matt Millen think of that back when he got fined for not interviewing minorities?

The Raiders didn't just "say" they interviewed 2 minority candidates. They actually did bring in Tee Martin from USC's staff as well as their own RB's coach.  Now we're they pointless because they already knew they wanted Gruden? Sure, but that doesn't mean the interviews didn't happen.

which makes the whole rooney rule stupid. They know who they wanted but had to waste a bunch of peoples time to appear to be PC

Yes, I'd prefer it if they went back to the good old days of not even interviewing minorities for coaching positions, too.


It's one thing when there isn't an obvious choice for the job, and lots of speculation.  But EVERYONE knew they were hiring Gruden.  There was zero secret about it for weeks.  It would be as if Belichick actually quit the Patriots at the end of the season, and said he wanted to coach the 49ers, who currently don't have a head coach.  Do you really think any other interview would be anything but a formality and wadte of the guy's time solely to fulfill a rule requirement?
 
2018-01-14 02:08:48 AM  

the1hatman: meanmutton: I'm not sure if it came up earlier, but anyone else think that it's a bit... odd... that all the Raiders had to do to fulfill the Rooney Rule was to say that they interviewed a minority? Why didn't Matt Millen think of that back when he got fined for not interviewing minorities?

The Raiders didn't just "say" they interviewed 2 minority candidates. They actually did bring in Tee Martin from USC's staff as well as their own RB's coach.  Now we're they pointless because they already knew they wanted Gruden? Sure, but that doesn't mean the interviews didn't happen.


A college coordinator who was angling for a pay raise and a position coach on your own team? That's even worse than not interviewing anyone.

There are plenty of legitimate black and Hispanic candidates. Not interviewing any of them mashes it clear you have no interest in hiring a minority candidate, regardless of qualification.
 
2018-01-14 02:20:35 AM  

meanmutton: the1hatman: meanmutton: I'm not sure if it came up earlier, but anyone else think that it's a bit... odd... that all the Raiders had to do to fulfill the Rooney Rule was to say that they interviewed a minority? Why didn't Matt Millen think of that back when he got fined for not interviewing minorities?

The Raiders didn't just "say" they interviewed 2 minority candidates. They actually did bring in Tee Martin from USC's staff as well as their own RB's coach.  Now we're they pointless because they already knew they wanted Gruden? Sure, but that doesn't mean the interviews didn't happen.

A college coordinator who was angling for a pay raise and a position coach on your own team? That's even worse than not interviewing anyone.

There are plenty of legitimate black and Hispanic candidates. Not interviewing any of them mashes it clear you have no interest in hiring a minority candidate, regardless of qualification.


It has nothing to do with race.  They wanted Gruden.  Everyone knew they wanted Gruden.  They didn't want to hire any other white coach either.  The candidates they interviewed were probably the only ones willing to waste their time knowing it was a foregone conclusion that they weren't getting the job.
 
2018-01-14 02:23:46 AM  

the1hatman: as well as their own RB's coach.  Now we're they pointless because they already knew they wanted Gruden?


You're love of inappropriate apostrophes thrill's me.  You must be a Raider's fan.

;-)
 
2018-01-14 04:59:58 AM  

devildog123: IlGreven: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: the1hatman: meanmutton: I'm not sure if it came up earlier, but anyone else think that it's a bit... odd... that all the Raiders had to do to fulfill the Rooney Rule was to say that they interviewed a minority? Why didn't Matt Millen think of that back when he got fined for not interviewing minorities?

The Raiders didn't just "say" they interviewed 2 minority candidates. They actually did bring in Tee Martin from USC's staff as well as their own RB's coach.  Now we're they pointless because they already knew they wanted Gruden? Sure, but that doesn't mean the interviews didn't happen.

which makes the whole rooney rule stupid. They know who they wanted but had to waste a bunch of peoples time to appear to be PC

Yes, I'd prefer it if they went back to the good old days of not even interviewing minorities for coaching positions, too.

It's one thing when there isn't an obvious choice for the job, and lots of speculation.  But EVERYONE knew they were hiring Gruden.  There was zero secret about it for weeks.  It would be as if Belichick actually quit the Patriots at the end of the season, and said he wanted to coach the 49ers, who currently don't have a head coach.  Do you really think any other interview would be anything but a formality and wadte of the guy's time solely to fulfill a rule requirement?


When did the 49ers fire Shanahan?
 
2018-01-14 05:16:31 AM  

JuicePats: devildog123: IlGreven: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: the1hatman: meanmutton: I'm not sure if it came up earlier, but anyone else think that it's a bit... odd... that all the Raiders had to do to fulfill the Rooney Rule was to say that they interviewed a minority? Why didn't Matt Millen think of that back when he got fined for not interviewing minorities?

The Raiders didn't just "say" they interviewed 2 minority candidates. They actually did bring in Tee Martin from USC's staff as well as their own RB's coach.  Now we're they pointless because they already knew they wanted Gruden? Sure, but that doesn't mean the interviews didn't happen.

which makes the whole rooney rule stupid. They know who they wanted but had to waste a bunch of peoples time to appear to be PC

Yes, I'd prefer it if they went back to the good old days of not even interviewing minorities for coaching positions, too.

It's one thing when there isn't an obvious choice for the job, and lots of speculation.  But EVERYONE knew they were hiring Gruden.  There was zero secret about it for weeks.  It would be as if Belichick actually quit the Patriots at the end of the season, and said he wanted to coach the 49ers, who currently don't have a head coach.  Do you really think any other interview would be anything but a formality and wadte of the guy's time solely to fulfill a rule requirement?

When did the 49ers fire Shanahan?


I was just trying to make an example.  Think of it as a hypothetical.
 
2018-01-14 08:43:03 AM  
Have fun with that.  Every Seahawks fan I know has been eager to dump that POS since the botched Super Bowl playcall.  He made a career in Seattle by doing less with more and effectively ran off the best RB Seattle will ever see.  He doesn't run calls to protect their only remaining asset, instead sending him out to freelance and slide, hoping he doesn't get clobbered.

Good luck!
 
2018-01-14 09:11:15 AM  

tacos4jesus: Have fun with that.  Every Seahawks fan I know has been eager to dump that POS since the botched Super Bowl playcall.  He made a career in Seattle by doing less with more and effectively ran off the best RB Seattle will ever see.  He doesn't run calls to protect their only remaining asset, instead sending him out to freelance and slide, hoping he doesn't get clobbered.

Good luck!


You're thinking of Darrell Bevell. He's gone too.
 
2018-01-14 10:34:36 AM  
So, they fixed the Cable?
 
2018-01-14 10:48:41 AM  

IlGreven: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: the1hatman: meanmutton: I'm not sure if it came up earlier, but anyone else think that it's a bit... odd... that all the Raiders had to do to fulfill the Rooney Rule was to say that they interviewed a minority? Why didn't Matt Millen think of that back when he got fined for not interviewing minorities?

The Raiders didn't just "say" they interviewed 2 minority candidates. They actually did bring in Tee Martin from USC's staff as well as their own RB's coach.  Now we're they pointless because they already knew they wanted Gruden? Sure, but that doesn't mean the interviews didn't happen.

which makes the whole rooney rule stupid. They know who they wanted but had to waste a bunch of peoples time to appear to be PC

Yes, I'd prefer it if they went back to the good old days of not even interviewing minorities for coaching positions, too.


Hue Jackson, Marvin Lewis, and Vance Joseph went 12-36 and kept their jobs. What are you looking for?

\the Lions, of course canned Caldwell.
 
2018-01-14 11:18:06 AM  

Dr.Fey: Didn't he punch and break an underling's jaw while their head coach?


It's the Raiders, that's a feature not a bug
 
2018-01-14 03:29:35 PM  

Dr.Fey: the1hatman: as well as their own RB's coach.  Now we're they pointless because they already knew they wanted Gruden?

You're love of inappropriate apostrophes thrill's me.  You must be a Raider's fan.

;-)


Yeah the were/we're was autocorrect biting me but I got nothing for the RB's one though. Self-derp!

/go raiders
 
2018-01-14 04:20:04 PM  

meanmutton: A college coordinator who was angling for a pay raise and a position coach on your own team? That's even worse than not interviewing anyone.


A: I already stated that the interviews were pointless in getting the job since they already knew who they wanted.
B. You insinuated these interviews never took place. They did. Don't try to move the goalposts now.
C. It has long been established that getting the experience of an interview helps candidates in future job searches. Martin and Johnson both saw value in interviewing with the team.

meanmutton: There are plenty of legitimate black and Hispanic candidates. Not interviewing any of them mashes it clear you have no interest in hiring a minority candidate, regardless of qualification.


Irrelevant. Everyone knows the Raiders were not interested in "hiring a minority candidate, regardless of qualification." But it's because they guy they wanted from the start, and who the owner has been pursuing for 6 years, just happens to be white and not because of some misplaced perception of racial prejudice on the part of the team.

Keep in mind that this guy was conducting the interviews for the Raiders;
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The franchise that hired these guys;
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... 22 and 12 years, respectively, before the existence of the Rooney Rule.

The latter of whom worked under this person in the front office;
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Look, I get that you want to help rid the world of social injustice and that you look to be critical of any public entity that could be harboring such abhorrent views as a policy. I agree that such vigilance is necessary in the fight against such wrongdoing. But you need to apply a little common sense in doing so. The reality is the Raiders are probably the worst possible franchise to try and make this point with.

Crying wolf hurts everyone on the side of right. Don't be that guy.
 
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