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(Some Guy)   Whatever happened to the gunslingers, the fun-loving QBs who willingly risked interceptions in order to pass the ball down the field for big plays? "DeShone Kizer, Trevor Siemian, and Brett Hundley were just bad, not aggressive"   ( footballperspective.com) divider line
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2018-01-13 04:37:39 PM  
I dunno maybe ask their physician if there's a reason for it
 
2018-01-13 06:01:37 PM  
Steve Bartkowski. Never afraid to throw a long shot.
 
2018-01-13 06:05:42 PM  
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2018-01-13 06:09:04 PM  
They died off with QB play calling.
 
2018-01-13 06:09:07 PM  
What happened to gunslingers? Verticle game loving coaches, GM's and reporters have been replaced by boring drones that are so afraid of interceptions that some of them consider Tyrod Taylor a good quarterback because he doesn't thow ints.
 
2018-01-13 06:12:59 PM  
Coaches would rather their QB drive it 20 yards and punt every drive, because that often ends up with better results.
 
2018-01-13 06:15:58 PM  
Why does nobody consider that a deep bomb on 3rd down that gets picked off is as good as a punt

/unless it comes back the other way of course
 
2018-01-13 06:24:51 PM  
Being risk-averse works in the NFL. No GM ever got fired for wanting a ball-control offense, and no coach other than Marty Schottenheimer ever lost their job for winning ugly.

You get someone trying to shake things up too much on offense, whether it's Peyton Manning on the field or Chip Kelly on the sidelines, and the referees will literally step in to bring that to a screeching halt. The league thrives on the mediocrity that it calls "parity".
 
2018-01-13 06:31:45 PM  
Half the fun of watching Fran Tarkenton play was watching him run for his life (man, did his O-lines suck) while waiting for a WR or TE to somehow get open long enough for him to throw a bomb downfield to them, hoping that they could somehow catch the ball knowing they were about to get blown the fark up (Tarkenton managed to throw for 47k yards in an era where QB's, WR's, and TE's all could have worn jerseys that said "PLEASE KILL ME", knowing that the defenses they faced would have been more than happy to oblige... without having to worry about player safety rules telling them not to do so). Tarkenton, playing under current rules, probably would have thrown for 80k yards, twice as many TD's, and would probably have had at least 2 SB rings (and Chuck Foreman would probably have had a HOF career bowling over people in a career that would have lasted until 1985, since he wouldn't have had to spend half his time covering Fran's blind side).
 
2018-01-13 07:19:52 PM  
What happened to gun slingers? The D-line is what happened to them. These defensive linemen are fast as hell now and they get to the QB faster than ever. There isn't any time to let those long passing plays to develop anymore unless you beat the D-line down with the run first or you run enough short passing plays that you are able to force defensive linemen to drop back into coverage
 
2018-01-13 07:24:20 PM  

FreeLawyer: What happened to gunslingers? Verticle game loving coaches, GM's and reporters have been replaced by boring drones that are so afraid of interceptions that some of them consider Tyrod Taylor a good quarterback because he doesn't thow ints.


This is behind the longer term decline in fans, IMO. No one talks about it.
 
2018-01-13 07:26:25 PM  

Gubbo: Why does nobody consider that a deep bomb on 3rd down that gets picked off is as good as a punt

/unless it comes back the other way of course


This.   Worked for the Saints just last week.  Don't know why it doesn't happen more often.  A vast majority of defenders are incapable of batting it down.  They want the measurables for contract talks and nationally televised dance parties.
 
2018-01-13 07:35:54 PM  

Incident on 57th Street: Gubbo: Why does nobody consider that a deep bomb on 3rd down that gets picked off is as good as a punt

/unless it comes back the other way of course

This.   Worked for the Saints just last week.  Don't know why it doesn't happen more often.  A vast majority of defenders are incapable of batting it down.  They want the measurables for contract talks and nationally televised dance parties.


That was the 4th down picked. I laughed at that. Seen it more often than I ever thought I would.

I understand. Heat of the moment and all that. But still.
 
2018-01-13 07:44:35 PM  
Let's see...

Roland reached the Tower and hit the magic reset button.
Susannah decided to move to an alternate timeline.
Oy got killed by Modred.
Jake got ran over but the van that ran over Steven King
Eddie was shot Algul Siento.

Cuthbert and Alain, along with remaining original gunslingers died in the Battle of Jericho Hill.
 
2018-01-13 07:48:46 PM  

RJReves: Let's see...

Roland reached the Tower and hit the magic reset button.
Susannah decided to move to an alternate timeline.
Oy got killed by Modred.
Jake got ran over but the van that ran over Steven King
Eddie was shot Algul Siento.

Cuthbert and Alain, along with remaining original gunslingers died in the Battle of Jericho Hill.


Lacks mention of the last gunslinger. Brett Favre.

Other than that. I agree
 
2018-01-13 08:38:47 PM  
Trevor Siemien didn't just suck, he was the worst QB to ever don a Bronco  uniform. And I include Tebow, Maddox, and Neckbeard in that statement.
 
2018-01-13 09:52:42 PM  
It's almost as if better athletes, defensive system adaptation, NFL rule changes, and a better understanding of metrics changed the game enough to have changed the way QBs play, such that you're more likely to win by not being a gunslinger.

/we could also bemoan the end of the deep i running back
//that said it would be nice to see some more deep balls
///teehee more deep balls
 
2018-01-13 11:06:51 PM  
Meanwhile, I'll see college games where the QB could write a history paper as he just waits in the pocket....then throw it to a guy three yards away and run parallel to the Line of Scrimmage
 
2018-01-14 01:12:08 AM  

Gonz: You get someone trying to shake things up too much on offense, whether it's Peyton Manning on the field or Chip Kelly on the sidelines, and the referees will literally step in to bring that to a screeching halt.


Yeah that bothered me a bit.  Running a hurry-up offense doesn't break any rules, yet the refs will stall you if you're going too quick for their taste.
 
2018-01-14 02:01:29 AM  

Gubbo: Why does nobody consider that a deep bomb on 3rd down that gets picked off is as good as a punt

/unless it comes back the other way of course


This only proves that punting is often a bad idea.
 
2018-01-14 02:04:08 AM  

yelmrog: Gonz: You get someone trying to shake things up too much on offense, whether it's Peyton Manning on the field or Chip Kelly on the sidelines, and the referees will literally step in to bring that to a screeching halt.

Yeah that bothered me a bit.  Running a hurry-up offense doesn't break any rules, yet the refs will stall you if you're going too quick for their taste.


If the offense changes personnel during a hurry-up, the defense gets to change, too. I don't see how that's unreasonable.
 
2018-01-14 07:20:26 AM  

Gonz: Being risk-averse works in the NFL. No GM ever got fired for wanting a ball-control offense, and no coach other than Marty Schottenheimer ever lost their job for winning ugly.


I agree on coaches being risk-averse.  I disagree about Schottenheimer.  As an ex-San Diego fan knowing full-well the likely consequences, I was still glad when they got rid of him.  It was just too much risk aversion to handle.  It was depressing.
 
2018-01-14 10:53:31 AM  

gameshowhost: /we could also bemoan the end of the deep i running back


No defense has ever solved the wishbone. But that offense went out of style because reasons.
 
2018-01-14 12:38:06 PM  

Gonz: gameshowhost: /we could also bemoan the end of the deep i running back

No defense has ever solved the wishbone. But that offense went out of style because reasons.


NFL defenders are way too fast and too good at minding their assignments for it to work at the highest level.

College?  It works there.
 
2018-01-14 12:59:25 PM  

gameshowhost: Gonz: gameshowhost: /we could also bemoan the end of the deep i running back

No defense has ever solved the wishbone. But that offense went out of style because reasons.

NFL defenders are way too fast and too good at minding their assignments for it to work at the highest level.

College?  It works there.


Because the NFL was so great at solving the read-option? There are literally 4 plays that get run out of the Wildcat, and I believe every team has it in the playbook.
 
2018-01-14 01:20:42 PM  

Gonz: gameshowhost: Gonz: gameshowhost: /we could also bemoan the end of the deep i running back

No defense has ever solved the wishbone. But that offense went out of style because reasons.

NFL defenders are way too fast and too good at minding their assignments for it to work at the highest level.

College?  It works there.

Because the NFL was so great at solving the read-option? There are literally 4 plays that get run out of the Wildcat, and I believe every team has it in the playbook.


And it has to be run fairly sparingly, not as a primary offense.  It has value as a different look.
 
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