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2018-01-13 03:24:42 PM  
Classy move, and one he can easily afford.
 
2018-01-13 03:28:00 PM  

dionysusaur: Classy move, and one he can easily afford.


Of course - but someone needs to write a better headline. Got any? (I'm fresh out.)
 
2018-01-13 03:40:31 PM  
But according to TMZ sources, the glaring disparity in Williams and Wahlberg's payouts came down to their individual contracts: Williams' contract reportedly required her to do reshoots, as needed, as part of her overall salary, whereas Wahlberg's did not have such a clause.

People should be pissed at their Agent firm - as they are both represented by the SAME FIRM - for screwing their female client with a bad contract that did not require payment for a re-shoot, while their male client had a different contract clause for the SAME MOVIE.
 
2018-01-13 03:48:31 PM  

HighlanderRPI: But according to TMZ sources, the glaring disparity in Williams and Wahlberg's payouts came down to their individual contracts: Williams' contract reportedly required her to do reshoots, as needed, as part of her overall salary, whereas Wahlberg's did not have such a clause.

People should be pissed at their Agent firm - as they are both represented by the SAME FIRM - for screwing their female client with a bad contract that did not require payment for a re-shoot, while their male client had a different contract clause for the SAME MOVIE.


Same firm, but perhaps different agents?
 
2018-01-13 03:56:52 PM  

Gary-L: HighlanderRPI: But according to TMZ sources, the glaring disparity in Williams and Wahlberg's payouts came down to their individual contracts: Williams' contract reportedly required her to do reshoots, as needed, as part of her overall salary, whereas Wahlberg's did not have such a clause.

People should be pissed at their Agent firm - as they are both represented by the SAME FIRM - for screwing their female client with a bad contract that did not require payment for a re-shoot, while their male client had a different contract clause for the SAME MOVIE.

Same firm, but perhaps different agents?


Possibly, but the firm should know which clients are on which project. They have to known that both Williams and Marky Mark were on the same movie together. If there were two agents, they should have given each other the heads up on contract negotiations. It is in the firm's best interest that their clients on the same project should be getting a similar deal, in case something like re-shoots comes up. The clients get more money, and the firm gets more money. If they didn't know, it sounds like the firm has very shiatty communication, and is probably a shiatty firm to begin with.
 
2018-01-13 03:59:16 PM  
The important thing to take home here is that Marky got paid because it turns out Kevin Spacey's gay. Or... fark was that it? If you grab thirty people's cocks, then Michelle Williams gets a thousand dollars, and that's wrong. Right? Seriously, the fark have we learned? Something about put old man makeup on a 58 year old? I wonder what we'll learn when it turns out this movie is total shiat.
 
2018-01-13 03:59:31 PM  

Gary-L: HighlanderRPI: But according to TMZ sources, the glaring disparity in Williams and Wahlberg's payouts came down to their individual contracts: Williams' contract reportedly required her to do reshoots, as needed, as part of her overall salary, whereas Wahlberg's did not have such a clause.

People should be pissed at their Agent firm - as they are both represented by the SAME FIRM - for screwing their female client with a bad contract that did not require payment for a re-shoot, while their male client had a different contract clause for the SAME MOVIE.

Same firm, but perhaps different agents?


A much more aggressive agent.
 
2018-01-13 04:00:29 PM  

demonfaerie: Gary-L: HighlanderRPI: But according to TMZ sources, the glaring disparity in Williams and Wahlberg's payouts came down to their individual contracts: Williams' contract reportedly required her to do reshoots, as needed, as part of her overall salary, whereas Wahlberg's did not have such a clause.

People should be pissed at their Agent firm - as they are both represented by the SAME FIRM - for screwing their female client with a bad contract that did not require payment for a re-shoot, while their male client had a different contract clause for the SAME MOVIE.

Same firm, but perhaps different agents?

Possibly, but the firm should know which clients are on which project. They have to known that both Williams and Marky Mark were on the same movie together. If there were two agents, they should have given each other the heads up on contract negotiations. It is in the firm's best interest that their clients on the same project should be getting a similar deal, in case something like re-shoots comes up. The clients get more money, and the firm gets more money. If they didn't know, it sounds like the firm has very shiatty communication, and is probably a shiatty firm to begin with.


WME has about 300 agents. It's not Doug's bait shop and talent agency.
 
2018-01-13 04:00:43 PM  
Sounds like Michelle Williams should get some new "people" working on her behalf...
 
2018-01-13 04:03:31 PM  

JerkStore: Sounds like Michelle Williams should get some new "people" working on her behalf...


Apparently this "WME" outfit represents BOTH actors and are the people who should really be ashamed of themselves - not Wahlberg.  Then again, Wahlberg was both in Ted and The Happening, so he has plenty for which to be ashamed.
 
2018-01-13 04:04:38 PM  

JerkStore: Sounds like Michelle Williams should get some new "people" working on her behalf...


I think the problem is they think she's carey mulligan
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2018-01-13 04:04:55 PM  
And after all this, I still  don't want to watch a Mark Wahlberg/Michelle Williams movie.

Wahlberg - 'What? No!'
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2018-01-13 04:08:05 PM  

HighlanderRPI: But according to TMZ sources, the glaring disparity in Williams and Wahlberg's payouts came down to their individual contracts: Williams' contract reportedly required her to do reshoots, as needed, as part of her overall salary, whereas Wahlberg's did not have such a clause.

People should be pissed at their Agent firm - as they are both represented by the SAME FIRM - for screwing their female client with a bad contract that did not require payment for a re-shoot, while their male client had a different contract clause for the SAME MOVIE.


But then I can't be OUTRAGED at the gender pay disparities in Peniswood!!!
 
2018-01-13 04:09:39 PM  

JerkStore: Sounds like Michelle Williams should get some new "people" working on her behalf...


Sigh.

This isn't a case of "bad" people working on her behalf. Michelle Williams knowingly and deliberately refused to take any payment for the reshoots:

"I said I'd be wherever they needed me, whenever they needed me. And they could have my salary, they could have my holiday, whatever they wanted. Because I appreciated so much that they were making this massive effort."
 
2018-01-13 04:14:10 PM  
More than you've done subby, more than you.
 
2018-01-13 04:17:37 PM  

demonfaerie: Possibly, but the firm should know which clients are on which project. They have to known that both Williams and Marky Mark were on the same movie together.


Individual agents working for people on the same project SHOULD NOT KNOW what the other agent's clients are paid for said project.  For one thing there is the idea of collusion.  For another if the agent knows then very likely the person they are representing knows.  It is none of the other person's business what the other person is paid.

At the end of the day she is the better actor, he is the bigger draw.  In any industry the perceived ROI is the governing factor.  There are people (I'm not one) that go to films for actors.  There are people who might be swayed to go to a film they might otherwise skip if Wahlberg is in it.  There are far, far fewer people that would go to see a film because she is in it.  It's not about talent, it's not about gender, it's about getting asses in seats.
 
2018-01-13 04:18:03 PM  
No Wahlberg thread should go by where it isn't mentioned that he committed multiple hate crimes.
 
2018-01-13 04:18:38 PM  

Howling Fantods: HighlanderRPI: But according to TMZ sources, the glaring disparity in Williams and Wahlberg's payouts came down to their individual contracts: Williams' contract reportedly required her to do reshoots, as needed, as part of her overall salary, whereas Wahlberg's did not have such a clause.

People should be pissed at their Agent firm - as they are both represented by the SAME FIRM - for screwing their female client with a bad contract that did not require payment for a re-shoot, while their male client had a different contract clause for the SAME MOVIE.

But then I can't be OUTRAGED at the gender pay disparities in Peniswood!!!


You still can be outraged or concerned because, the agent might work for a better contract for male clients, rather than female clients.
 
2018-01-13 04:19:34 PM  
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2018-01-13 04:20:21 PM  

vwarb: No Wahlberg thread should go by where it isn't mentioned that he committed multiple hate crimes.


No no no. We're just doing sexism this year. Racism is planned for 2021 at the earliest.
 
2018-01-13 04:21:17 PM  
This totally makes up for him nearly beating a Vietnamese immigrant to death.
 
2018-01-13 04:23:53 PM  

Brontes: More than you've done subby, more than you.


I wrote the headline ironically. I have nothing against the guy. I'm born in '72. I knew a lot of guys (growing up in guidoland, Queens) like that. Not all of them turn out to be assholes.

/subby
 
2018-01-13 04:27:50 PM  

mjbok: demonfaerie: Possibly, but the firm should know which clients are on which project. They have to known that both Williams and Marky Mark were on the same movie together.

Individual agents working for people on the same project SHOULD NOT KNOW what the other agent's clients are paid for said project.  For one thing there is the idea of collusion.  For another if the agent knows then very likely the person they are representing knows.  It is none of the other person's business what the other person is paid.

At the end of the day she is the better actor, he is the bigger draw.  In any industry the perceived ROI is the governing factor.  There are people (I'm not one) that go to films for actors.  There are people who might be swayed to go to a film they might otherwise skip if Wahlberg is in it.  There are far, far fewer people that would go to see a film because she is in it.  It's not about talent, it's not about gender, it's about getting asses in seats.


And to win Oscars, this is an Oscar bait movie after all. I get the collusion thing, but knowing how much people make, can make people realize how people are getting farked over, and to negotiate or fight for better pay. This is just not in Hollywood setting, but in general. That is why businesses try to stop their employees from talking about pay, because it make them have to fork over more money to people, and close the gender wage gap. Communication is really the key to make any sort of improvements in society in general. You don't have to give out the 100% of the details, but at least have a conversation is a start.
 
2018-01-13 04:28:13 PM  

demonfaerie: Howling Fantods: HighlanderRPI: But according to TMZ sources, the glaring disparity in Williams and Wahlberg's payouts came down to their individual contracts: Williams' contract reportedly required her to do reshoots, as needed, as part of her overall salary, whereas Wahlberg's did not have such a clause.

People should be pissed at their Agent firm - as they are both represented by the SAME FIRM - for screwing their female client with a bad contract that did not require payment for a re-shoot, while their male client had a different contract clause for the SAME MOVIE.

But then I can't be OUTRAGED at the gender pay disparities in Peniswood!!!

You still can be outraged or concerned because, the agent might work for a better contract for male clients, rather than female clients.


Since agents generally get paid a percentage of the contracts they negotiate, it's in their best interest to negotiate the best deal possible for their clients regardless of their race, gender, or sexual orientation.
 
2018-01-13 04:29:10 PM  

dionysusaur: Classy move, and one he can easily afford.


Or he could have split the the salary he got with Ms Williams. That would have addressed the pay gap directly.
 
2018-01-13 04:33:12 PM  
Nope, still a douchelagoon.
 
2018-01-13 04:36:56 PM  

demonfaerie: That is why businesses try to stop their employees from talking about pay, because it make them have to fork over more money to people, and close the gender wage gap.


No, business try to stop their employees from talking about pay, because it's a sensitive subject that can have disastrous effects, regardless of the makeup of the employees.

I've personally worked for two companies where good, highly productive engineering teams were effectively destroyed due to hard feelings caused by people talking about the salaries that they themselves negotiated and agreed to.
 
2018-01-13 04:39:45 PM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: No, business try to stop their employees from talking about pay, because it's a sensitive subject that can have disastrous effects, regardless of the makeup of the employees.


Literally every state employee's salary is public. Hospitals, universities, DMV, whatever. Somehow those institutions don't collapse.

Also everyone's taxes are public in Norway http://www.bbc.com/news/magazi​ne-40669​239
 
2018-01-13 04:44:33 PM  

moothemagiccow: Thong_of_Zardoz: No, business try to stop their employees from talking about pay, because it's a sensitive subject that can have disastrous effects, regardless of the makeup of the employees.

Literally every state employee's salary is public. Hospitals, universities, DMV, whatever. Somehow those institutions don't collapse.

Also everyone's taxes are public in Norway http://www.bbc.com/news/magazin​e-40669239


Right, but every state employee's salary is also (I assume) rigidly specied according to established guidelines (in other words, two government employees with the same classification and experience are probably making close to the same salary). This is not necessarilly the case in private industry, where salaries for what may seem to be similar jobs have a wide variance. I can't speak for Norway...
 
2018-01-13 04:46:38 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: dionysusaur: Classy move, and one he can easily afford.

Or he could have split the the salary he got with Ms Williams. That would have addressed the pay gap directly.


She wound up walking away with $1000 more than he did for the reshoots.
 
2018-01-13 04:53:55 PM  
Actor's salaries are based on what they're expected to add to the box office take. I'd be shocked if a B-lister like Williams was paid anywhere near the same as a (god help us) A-lister like Wahlberg, or was given nearly as generous a contract. Studios notoriously roll out crazy benefits for big name actors, but otherwise treats the talent like dirt.

When you have pay disparities between two actors of equal status playing equal roles, that's a scandal (Duchovny's salary vs Anderson's for the X-Files, for example - that was bullshiat, especially since Anderson arguably became the bigger audience favorite as the show went on). This just sounds like someone using a cause for their own benefit.
 
2018-01-13 04:55:13 PM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: moothemagiccow: Thong_of_Zardoz: No, business try to stop their employees from talking about pay, because it's a sensitive subject that can have disastrous effects, regardless of the makeup of the employees.

Literally every state employee's salary is public. Hospitals, universities, DMV, whatever. Somehow those institutions don't collapse.

Also everyone's taxes are public in Norway http://www.bbc.com/news/magazin​e-40669239

Right, but every state employee's salary is also (I assume) rigidly specied according to established guidelines (in other words, two government employees with the same classification and experience are probably making close to the same salary). This is not necessarilly the case in private industry, where salaries for what may seem to be similar jobs have a wide variance. I can't speak for Norway...


Depends on what "wide variance" means to you. I just looked up two people with the same job and saw a $30k gap between salaries under $200k. If a "wider variance" than that is happening in private industry, it's because the manager negotiating salaries is a farking idiot. Doctors negotiate. Professors negotiate. Coaches. The pay is public. And the world doesn't farking end.

"Never talk about money" is the maxim of the employer - the ruling class. It's how they control us.
 
2018-01-13 05:02:54 PM  

demonfaerie: If there were two agents, they should have given each other the heads up on contract negotiations.


No. That is not their job, not their responsibility. Also causes confidentiality problems. Also, why only when it's a woman and a man? Why not make sure young and old actors get the same pay, make sure the Salvadorean-American actor is not getting shafted by the salary of the Icelandic-Jamaican actor with a green card, make sure the ugly ones get paid as much as the pretty ones, make sure Happy Eisenskize fresh off the bus from Pennsyltucky gets paid the same as DeNiro.

Also, when there are different agencies involved, do you really think them actually colluding on pay will be a better thing? No, you don't.

An actor with better name recognition and a longer resume got a better contract than a different actor who had neither of those things. There is nothing any sane person would argue was improper about those facts. And neither dingles nor peachfish have anything to do with those facts.
 
2018-01-13 05:04:59 PM  

FlashHarry: This totally makes up for him nearly beating a Vietnamese immigrant to death.


His musical endeavors were far worse.
 
2018-01-13 05:07:27 PM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: demonfaerie: That is why businesses try to stop their employees from talking about pay, because it make them have to fork over more money to people, and close the gender wage gap.

No, business try to stop their employees from talking about pay, because it's a sensitive subject that can have disastrous effects, regardless of the makeup of the employees.

I've personally worked for two companies where good, highly productive engineering teams were effectively destroyed due to hard feelings caused by people talking about the salaries that they themselves negotiated and agreed to.


It's illegal to tell employees not to discuss their salaries, even in our shiathole country
 
2018-01-13 05:09:37 PM  

FlashHarry: This totally makes up for him nearly beating a Vietnamese immigrant to death.


Also
"He was young and reckless but I forgive him now," said Trinh. "Everyone deserves another chance... He paid for his crime when he went to prison," he said. "I am not saying that it did not hurt when he punched me in the face, but it was a long time ago."
That time where your victim forgives you, but Fark will not
 
2018-01-13 05:11:40 PM  

Ooba Tooba: FlashHarry: This totally makes up for him nearly beating a Vietnamese immigrant to death.

Also
"He was young and reckless but I forgive him now," said Trinh. "Everyone deserves another chance... He paid for his crime when he went to prison," he said. "I am not saying that it did not hurt when he punched me in the face, but it was a long time ago."
That time where your victim forgives you, but Fark will not


The internet has a long and vindictive memory.
 
2018-01-13 05:11:41 PM  

moothemagiccow: Thong_of_Zardoz: moothemagiccow: Thong_of_Zardoz: No, business try to stop their employees from talking about pay, because it's a sensitive subject that can have disastrous effects, regardless of the makeup of the employees.

Literally every state employee's salary is public. Hospitals, universities, DMV, whatever. Somehow those institutions don't collapse.

Also everyone's taxes are public in Norway http://www.bbc.com/news/magazin​e-40669239

Right, but every state employee's salary is also (I assume) rigidly specied according to established guidelines (in other words, two government employees with the same classification and experience are probably making close to the same salary). This is not necessarilly the case in private industry, where salaries for what may seem to be similar jobs have a wide variance. I can't speak for Norway...

Depends on what "wide variance" means to you. I just looked up two people with the same job and saw a $30k gap between salaries under $200k. If a "wider variance" than that is happening in private industry, it's because the manager negotiating salaries is a farking idiot. Doctors negotiate. Professors negotiate. Coaches. The pay is public. And the world doesn't farking end.

"Never talk about money" is the maxim of the employer - the ruling class. It's how they control us.


Anyone who discusses their pay with co-workers is a fool.  Management might see a person worth $X, while disgruntled employees will claim that person isn't worth $X or that they themselves are worth more.  Nothing good comes of discussing pay, and no, it is not "their way" of controlling the workers.
 
2018-01-13 05:12:28 PM  

Gary-L: moothemagiccow: Thong_of_Zardoz: moothemagiccow: Thong_of_Zardoz: No, business try to stop their employees from talking about pay, because it's a sensitive subject that can have disastrous effects, regardless of the makeup of the employees.

Literally every state employee's salary is public. Hospitals, universities, DMV, whatever. Somehow those institutions don't collapse.

Also everyone's taxes are public in Norway http://www.bbc.com/news/magazin​e-40669239

Right, but every state employee's salary is also (I assume) rigidly specied according to established guidelines (in other words, two government employees with the same classification and experience are probably making close to the same salary). This is not necessarilly the case in private industry, where salaries for what may seem to be similar jobs have a wide variance. I can't speak for Norway...

Depends on what "wide variance" means to you. I just looked up two people with the same job and saw a $30k gap between salaries under $200k. If a "wider variance" than that is happening in private industry, it's because the manager negotiating salaries is a farking idiot. Doctors negotiate. Professors negotiate. Coaches. The pay is public. And the world doesn't farking end.

"Never talk about money" is the maxim of the employer - the ruling class. It's how they control us.

Anyone who discusses their pay with co-workers is a fool.  Management might see a person worth $X, while disgruntled employees will claim that person isn't worth $X or that they themselves are worth more.  Nothing good comes of discussing pay, and no, it is not "their way" of controlling the workers.


Yeah, exactly.
 
2018-01-13 05:15:06 PM  
He just wimped out. Fear of being boycotted.
And he did nothing wrong.
He and his people negotiated better than her and her people.

It is not his responsibility to make sure she gets the same as him or what she feels she is worth.
 
2018-01-13 05:15:39 PM  
he's still a bag of shiat. just trying to protect his career from bad press. his actions in his youth speak volumes. basically the sort of stuff you get stuck on your shoe..
 
2018-01-13 05:20:58 PM  

Trik: He just wimped out. Fear of being boycotted.
And he did nothing wrong.
He and his people negotiated better than her and her people.

It is not his responsibility to make sure she gets the same as him or what she feels she is worth.


I wouldn't say he wimped out. In this current climate of kneejerk reactions and "guilty until proven innocent [and even then, he's probably still guilty]", this could have had a profoundly negative impact on his career.
 
2018-01-13 05:34:39 PM  
Despite a a sizeable knowledge of film and sizable amount of film watching, I have no idea who Michelle Williams is. The article states she's a 4-time Oscar nominee. Well, whoopie doo. Maybe even her own agent doesn't think that much of her to even make an effort to get a good contract going. This incident is the most exposure she's ever had. She should build on it, like Taylor Swift has since the Kanye incident.
 
2018-01-13 05:40:33 PM  

HighlanderRPI: But according to TMZ sources, the glaring disparity in Williams and Wahlberg's payouts came down to their individual contracts: Williams' contract reportedly required her to do reshoots, as needed, as part of her overall salary, whereas Wahlberg's did not have such a clause.

People should be pissed at their Agent firm - as they are both represented by the SAME FIRM - for screwing their female client with a bad contract that did not require payment for a re-shoot, while their male client had a different contract clause for the SAME MOVIE.


I believe most agents negotiate salaries based on the drawing power of the particular actor or actress. If Wahlberg is expected to bring in a couple million more people to the theaters than Williams, then he's gonna get paid more.
 
2018-01-13 05:48:28 PM  
I want Julianne Moore to receive the donation on behalf of Time's Up, then look up and say "this is a giant check".  Is that wrong?
 
2018-01-13 05:48:47 PM  
Better man than me. I earn more than some female coworkers because I negotiated a better rate before the project. That's not my problems, it's theirs.
 
2018-01-13 05:50:47 PM  

mama2tnt: dionysusaur: Classy move, and one he can easily afford.

Of course - but someone needs to write a better headline. Got any? (I'm fresh out.)


The equivalent of throwing back the home run ball of the visiting team at Wrigley.... after three innings.
 
2018-01-13 05:51:17 PM  
Say hello to your mother for me.
 
2018-01-13 05:52:51 PM  

moothemagiccow: vwarb: No Wahlberg thread should go by where it isn't mentioned that he committed multiple hate crimes.

No no no. We're just doing sexism this year. Racism is planned for 2021 at the earliest.


Until we hear him call Roxbury a shiathole neighborhood.
 
2018-01-13 06:06:27 PM  

Gary-L: it is not "their way" of controlling the workers.


Yeah it is.
Same as landlords don't want you to talk about rent, because you'll find out the folks downstairs are paying less.
Rich friends or family don't want you to know how much money they make because you'll ask them for some.
Your employer gets pissed about you discussing your salary with your coworker because then they have to pay you both the same.
Car dealers put bullshiat prices on their ads and make you haggle so they can charge some of us higher prices.
Talking about money is only "impolite" because you don't have any. I don't care how much your mom or society ingrained this into you. It's not taboo. It's bullshiat.
 
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