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2018-01-13 04:44:51 PM  
No, this year really is bad. I have a student who has been hospitalized since last weekend with the flu, and I just found out a dear friend of mine died of flu-related pneumonia. The flu shot this year is only 30% effective, and I am really worried about getting it myself.
 
2018-01-13 05:02:44 PM  
The season started early, and while we seem to be at peak flu right now, public health officials anticipate flu viruses will circulate for a few more moths

So just stay away from outdoor lighting at night?
 
2018-01-13 06:08:53 PM  
I'm feeling one coming on. Decided to take the weekend off the sauce. Gonna catch up on Fargo and go to bed early.

I'm going to make some soup tomorrow.
 
2018-01-13 07:01:56 PM  
I've had the flu twice this winter. Once in November, once this past week. I didn't even know that was possible.
 
2018-01-13 07:10:17 PM  
If it only lasted a day or two it wasn't the flu, it was food poisoning

/ no such thing as a 24 hour flu
// these are all the slashies I have to give
 
2018-01-13 07:14:56 PM  

Snotnose: If it only lasted a day or two it wasn't the flu, it was food poisoning

/ no such thing as a 24 hour flu
// these are all the slashies I have to give


almost always vomiting is not the flu.
 
2018-01-13 07:26:47 PM  
I got a flu shot in September? I think.    Posting this from my bed.  Just took my second dose of Tami-Flu.   My twins were diagnosed with the flu on Thursday, I started showing symptoms yesterday.  Theres only so much netflix you can watch.
 
2018-01-13 07:27:34 PM  
I had the flu about 6-8 weeks ago. Laid up for almost 2 weeks, and I seem to catch every cold and virus going around since then. Whatever strain is going around is pretty bad. I'm usually quite healthy, maybe a cold once or twice a year, but I just cannot seem to get better after this one.
 
2018-01-13 07:30:47 PM  

Tchernobog: I had the flu about 6-8 weeks ago. Laid up for almost 2 weeks, and I seem to catch every cold and virus going around since then. Whatever strain is going around is pretty bad. I'm usually quite healthy, maybe a cold once or twice a year, but I just cannot seem to get better after this one.


I've noticed the same thing. Can't stay healthy since catching it. Been sick since mid November.
 
2018-01-13 07:33:29 PM  

toomanyofthem: Tchernobog: I had the flu about 6-8 weeks ago. Laid up for almost 2 weeks, and I seem to catch every cold and virus going around since then. Whatever strain is going around is pretty bad. I'm usually quite healthy, maybe a cold once or twice a year, but I just cannot seem to get better after this one.

I've noticed the same thing. Can't stay healthy since catching it. Been sick since mid November.


It's extra shiatty because I started a new job about 3 months before I caught it, and have missed quite a bit since. I'm lucky, in the sense that everyone else at work is in the same boat, but I feel like I'm making an awful impression.
 
2018-01-13 08:05:11 PM  

Tchernobog: toomanyofthem: Tchernobog: I had the flu about 6-8 weeks ago. Laid up for almost 2 weeks, and I seem to catch every cold and virus going around since then. Whatever strain is going around is pretty bad. I'm usually quite healthy, maybe a cold once or twice a year, but I just cannot seem to get better after this one.

I've noticed the same thing. Can't stay healthy since catching it. Been sick since mid November.

It's extra shiatty because I started a new job about 3 months before I caught it, and have missed quite a bit since. I'm lucky, in the sense that everyone else at work is in the same boat, but I feel like I'm making an awful impression.


Don't worry, showing up to work with the flu would make a worse impression.
 
2018-01-13 08:06:55 PM  

jaggspb: Snotnose: If it only lasted a day or two it wasn't the flu, it was food poisoning

/ no such thing as a 24 hour flu
// these are all the slashies I have to give

almost always vomiting is not the flu.


In children, vomiting and diarrhea can be a symptom. Even then rather uncommon. Enteroviruses are usually the culprit.
 
2018-01-13 08:08:01 PM  

Vaginosilicosis: Flu shot, wash hands after touching anything in public, don't touch your face and stay the hell away from people.   That's all you can do.


But...but what about thoughts and prayers???
 
2018-01-13 08:18:06 PM  

AirGee: Tchernobog: toomanyofthem: Tchernobog: I had the flu about 6-8 weeks ago. Laid up for almost 2 weeks, and I seem to catch every cold and virus going around since then. Whatever strain is going around is pretty bad. I'm usually quite healthy, maybe a cold once or twice a year, but I just cannot seem to get better after this one.

I've noticed the same thing. Can't stay healthy since catching it. Been sick since mid November.

It's extra shiatty because I started a new job about 3 months before I caught it, and have missed quite a bit since. I'm lucky, in the sense that everyone else at work is in the same boat, but I feel like I'm making an awful impression.

Don't worry, showing up to work with the flu would make a worse impression.


That's how I feel. Most employers expect nothing short of deathbed before you call out, however.
 
2018-01-13 08:43:07 PM  

davidphogan: I've had the flu twice this winter. Once in November, once this past week. I didn't even know that was possible.


Every permutation of the flu is a different virus requiring different antibodies.

You know this.   That's why this year's flu shot is almost useless. They bet it would one group of viruses, but they bet wrong so only one strain going around is actually in the shot.
 
2018-01-13 08:45:59 PM  

Vaginosilicosis: Flu shot, wash hands after touching anything in public, don't touch your face and stay the hell away from people.   That's all you can do.


Don't forget using something besides your hands when opening public bathroom doors or touching elevator buttons because filthy humans don't wash their hands.
 
2018-01-13 08:56:56 PM  

doglover: davidphogan: I've had the flu twice this winter. Once in November, once this past week. I didn't even know that was possible.

Every permutation of the flu is a different virus requiring different antibodies.

You know this.   That's why this year's flu shot is almost useless. They bet it would one group of viruses, but they bet wrong so only one strain going around is actually in the shot.


So I should lick more bathroom doorknobs in dive bars? Normally that keeps my immune system quite robust.
 
2018-01-13 08:57:58 PM  
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By the look of things we might be finally rounding the horn for this flu season and things should start to taper down soon
 
2018-01-13 09:00:08 PM  
Been floored since yesterday, myself.
 
2018-01-13 09:01:31 PM  
Has anyone gotten around to decoding the particular RNA sequence of this influenza season? You think that would be top priority but ya never know.
 
2018-01-13 09:04:17 PM  
It's 2018 and I think it's about time to stop making flu vaccines with 1940's technology that takes 6 months to make so maybe we don't have vaccines that can be easily ineffective if virologist guess wrong on which one will the dominate strain.
 
2018-01-13 09:14:34 PM  

doglover: davidphogan: I've had the flu twice this winter. Once in November, once this past week. I didn't even know that was possible.

Every permutation of the flu is a different virus requiring different antibodies.

You know this.   That's why this year's flu shot is almost useless. They bet it would one group of viruses, but they bet wrong so only one strain going around is actually in the shot.


Per https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/​f​lu-season-2017-2018.htm , H3N2 is in this year's vaccine group. The problem isn't that they picked wrong, the problem is that the H3N2 is difficult to vaccinate against, making it less effective.
 
2018-01-13 09:25:54 PM  
I got the flu for the first time since I was like 8 in mid November.  I'm 36 now.  Then I got a cold a few weeks ago.  I normally never get more than a stuffy nose for a few days each year. Everyone I know is or has been sick the last couple months.  This season has been terrible.
 
2018-01-13 09:29:21 PM  
My family (all six of us) are currently recovering from it; it was a horror show for most of the last week -- we all got our shots, for all the good it did; to be fair, it might have been even worse without them but it was still pretty bad. My 20 month old was really miserable for a few days and I'm extremely grateful he didn't have to be hospitalized.
 
2018-01-13 09:49:03 PM  

davidphogan: doglover: davidphogan: I've had the flu twice this winter. Once in November, once this past week. I didn't even know that was possible.

Every permutation of the flu is a different virus requiring different antibodies.

You know this.   That's why this year's flu shot is almost useless. They bet it would one group of viruses, but they bet wrong so only one strain going around is actually in the shot.

So I should lick more bathroom doorknobs in dive bars? Normally that keeps my immune system quite robust.


Actually... it might.

It could also kill you dead so fast they name a syndrome after the doctor who post mortems your withered husk.

I'd not do that, but if you feel the need to try it, make sure a doctor is recording the expiriment with rigor.
 
2018-01-13 09:56:37 PM  

doglover: It could also kill you dead so fast they name a syndrome after the doctor who post mortems your withered husk.


Now that's how you get me cold and stiff!
 
2018-01-13 10:06:48 PM  
I've had the flu once in the past 30 years.

I've had a few flu shots. Not the past few years though.
 
2018-01-13 10:29:50 PM  
My wife and I last had the flu about 10 years ago during Christmas. That year there was no Christmas. Her family dropped food on our porch and called as they were driving away to let us know it was there. I lost 10 lbs over one weekend and it took a good 10 days to get over it.

Actually, now that I think about it, I didn't lose 10 lbs...that's how much of me died. The flu is no joke.
 
2018-01-13 10:40:29 PM  
The article says that a bad flu season kills on average 56,000 people in the USA, and last year's bad flu season in Australia killed 745 people. The population of the USA is listed as being around 323.1 million, Australia has a population of 24.13 million. According to my math about one in every 5,769 people will die from the flu in a bad flu season in the USA, while about one in every 32,389 people will die in a bad flu season in Australia.

I'll be damned if this isn't perhaps the most compelling argument I've seen for adopting a single payer health care system.
 
2018-01-14 12:35:43 AM  
This article mentioned it, and others I've read since the fall mentioned it as well - apparently the main current strain of H3N2 is particularly susceptible to mutating while inside of the chicken eggs they use to incubate the vaccine.  From what I've read they did have a close vaccine match to this year's strain of H3N2, but after the mutation inside of the eggs it isn't a very close match anymore (only 10% - 20% effective are the estimates I've seen).  Seems that this is a known issue with H3N2 - echoing others in this thread I hope a lot of effort is being put into another incubating medium to alleviate these issues.

Pretty sure I had this flu in early December - had a fever for 3 solid days, with severe coughing, sneezing, and extreme runny nose.  Coughed and sneezed so hard I broke a rib, which is still sore but feeling much better now.  I don't recall having symptoms these extreme with a respiratory flu ever, and have never broken a rib before.  Didn't bother to see a doctor, as they don't want you to come in if you are feverish and coughing, and they don't do much for broken ribs that aren't caused by external trauma anyway.

The children's hospital here is full of kids with severe flu-related issues and they've basically said, stay away if you possibly can.  In general, hospitals here are issuing Tamiflu to many/most ER nurses and other nurses on wards where they see a lot of flu-related patients as a precautionary measure.  Coupled with the extremely cold weather we've had here with few breaks (I'm in Canada), this has been a terrible winter for sickness in general.
 
2018-01-14 01:36:09 AM  
Article becomes alot more interesting if you pretend the orange to red map gif is of the zombie outbreak.
Although I don't think the apocalypse would sell so well in books and games and films if it were to flu to end mankind not zombies.
Probably more feasible though
 
2018-01-14 02:11:50 AM  

darklingscribe: The article says that a bad flu season kills on average 56,000 people in the USA, and last year's bad flu season in Australia killed 745 people. The population of the USA is listed as being around 323.1 million, Australia has a population of 24.13 million. According to my math about one in every 5,769 people will die from the flu in a bad flu season in the USA, while about one in every 32,389 people will die in a bad flu season in Australia.

I'll be damned if this isn't perhaps the most compelling argument I've seen for adopting a single payer health care system.


I would really need to see some studies that show health care is the only difference myself.

Flu strain by flu strain, population density, likelihood of working through the infection vs resting, number of people in direct and indirect contact with, you know that kind of basic rigor.

Personally, I'd expect all of those things to play a more significant role what with 90% of people not seeking healthcare with a flu or cold symptoms in the first place. Very few people I know, all of whom could afford to, would seek medical attention outside of being basically dead.

Personally, I usually get mild cold symptoms every few years. This year I've had a legit cold, and felt the coming on signs twice more, including right now. Personally, and anecdotally, this is the worst season I've seen with people being out for flu.
 
2018-01-14 02:47:14 AM  

Vaginosilicosis: sick leave


????

Is that like when someone is sick and you tell them to just leave their TPS reports on your desk instead of handing them to you?
 
2018-01-14 03:02:57 AM  

Vaginosilicosis: Mabman: This article mentioned it, and others I've read since the fall mentioned it as well - apparently the main current strain of H3N2 is particularly susceptible to mutating while inside of the chicken eggs they use to incubate the vaccine.  From what I've read they did have a close vaccine match to this year's strain of H3N2, *but after the mutation inside of the eggs it isn't a very close match anymore (only 10% - 20% effective are the estimates I've seen).  Seems that this is a known issue with H3N2 - echoing others in this thread I hope a lot of effort is being put into another incubating medium to alleviate these issues.

*in Australia

This years H3N2 component in the USA vaccine was the first time it was done with a cellular method as opposed to in an egg which is supposed to reduce the variance from its target.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/f​lu-season-2017-2018.htm

"For the first time, a cell-grown H3N2 vaccine reference virus was used to produce the H3N2 component of the cell-based vaccine, Flucelvax. (The remaining Flucelvax vaccine components were manufactured using egg-grown reference viruses.) For more information, see the questions: "Why is it significant that a cell-grown vaccine reference virus (H3N2) was used to produce flu vaccine?" "


So blame American "hygiene" and lack of sick leave more than the vaccine this year.


Ah. Didn't realize there was a difference between vaccines used in the US and Canada (I'm in Canada).  According to this the vaccine used in Canada *was* egg-incubated. ("In addition, studies suggest that the process of manufacturing the vaccine may have compromised its effectiveness against H3N2 because it can mutate when grown in eggs - and Canada uses egg-based vaccines, Tam said.")
 
2018-01-14 05:00:48 AM  
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2018-01-14 03:33:13 PM  

bekovich: Although I don't think the apocalypse would sell so well in books and games and films if it were to flu to end mankind not zombies.
Probably more feasible though


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2018-01-15 09:09:40 AM  

ParallelUniverseParking: Vaginosilicosis: Flu shot, wash hands after touching anything in public, don't touch your face and stay the hell away from people.   That's all you can do.

But...but what about thoughts and prayers???


He alread said "flu shot", so you're just being redundant.
 
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