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2018-01-13 11:48:03 AM  
Good. Amazon and others have had a X% advantage over brick and mortar retailers simply because of a loophole.

It was never fair, and it goes all the way back to Sears....

http://www.milesconsultinggroup.com/b​l​og/2014/09/25/why-online-retailers-owe​-their-tax-treatment-to-mail-order-cat​alogs/
 
2018-01-13 12:58:52 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Good. Amazon and others have had a X% advantage over brick and mortar retailers simply because of a loophole.


I hate to break this to you, since you were rolling, but FTA:

Some online retailers, including leading player Amazon.com Inc, already collect state sales tax.

I get charged CA state sales tax on my Amazon purchases when appropriate.
 
2018-01-13 01:19:16 PM  
Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.

The notion that I should be taxed on my income, which I then use to buy something that is also taxed, that I then carry to my car which is also taxed, and then bring it to my home which is taxed...well, you get the idea.

Let's let make the farkers in every statehouse stop seeing us an an endless revenue source for their fiscal mismanagement.
 
2018-01-13 01:29:24 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Good. Amazon and others have had a X% advantage over brick and mortar retailers simply because of a loophole.

It was never fair, and it goes all the way back to Sears....

http://www.milesconsultinggroup.com/bl​og/2014/09/25/why-online-retailers-owe​-their-tax-treatment-to-mail-order-cat​alogs/


So a business in a state without a sales tax should still be required to have the burden of collecting a sales tax if people are from out of state?

What about tourists?  Lots of people visit Oregon for tax free shopping.  Aren't they a problem as well?

There are lots of problems once you start letting states govern outside their own boundaries.
 
2018-01-13 01:30:24 PM  

gar1013: Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.

The notion that I should be taxed on my income, which I then use to buy something that is also taxed, that I then carry to my car which is also taxed, and then bring it to my home which is taxed...well, you get the idea.


Yep, I get the idea that you benefit from government infrastructure at all kinds of levels.
 
2018-01-13 01:32:30 PM  

Dr.Fey: ColonelCathcart: Good. Amazon and others have had a X% advantage over brick and mortar retailers simply because of a loophole.

I hate to break this to you, since you were rolling, but FTA:

Some online retailers, including leading player Amazon.com Inc, already collect state sales tax.

I get charged CA state sales tax on my Amazon purchases when appropriate.


Amazon probably has a brick and mortar presence in every state at this point, especially if Amazon Lockers count.
 
2018-01-13 01:47:28 PM  
If they do that states will raise their state income tax, auto tax, and license taxes.
FL and NV get by with no state tax because they tax the hell out of the visitors. FL the same with hotel taxes, airport taxes, toll roads, etc.
 
2018-01-13 01:57:50 PM  

Krieghund: gar1013: Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.

The notion that I should be taxed on my income, which I then use to buy something that is also taxed, that I then carry to my car which is also taxed, and then bring it to my home which is taxed...well, you get the idea.

Yep, I get the idea that you benefit from government infrastructure at all kinds of levels.


I pay significantly more in tax than I receive benefit for. It's been that way for quite some time.

I've actually intentionally decided to make "less money" on various occasions by moving because I could live better through decreased taxes and their knock on effect on cost of living.
 
2018-01-13 01:58:29 PM  

optikeye: If they do that states will raise their state income tax, auto tax, and license taxes.
FL and NV get by with no state tax because they tax the hell out of the visitors. FL the same with hotel taxes, airport taxes, toll roads, etc.


Or...and this is complicated...they could spend less money.
 
2018-01-13 02:48:57 PM  

davidphogan: ColonelCathcart: Good. Amazon and others have had a X% advantage over brick and mortar retailers simply because of a loophole.

It was never fair, and it goes all the way back to Sears....

http://www.milesconsultinggroup.com/bl​og/2014/09/25/why-online-retailers-owe​-their-tax-treatment-to-mail-order-cat​alogs/

So a business in a state without a sales tax should still be required to have the burden of collecting a sales tax if people are from out of state?

What about tourists?  Lots of people visit Oregon for tax free shopping.  Aren't they a problem as well?

There are lots of problems once you start letting states govern outside their own boundaries.


You don't get it. There is a system already developed that plugs into just about ecommerce checkout system that automatically calculates and records sales taxes based on the delivery address.

If you have it delivered to a no sales tax jurisdiction, there's no taxes applied.

And if you live in a sales tax state and drive to a tax free state to buy stuff, you're already expected to pay sales tax in your own state. It's usually a line on the state income tax form.
 
2018-01-13 02:49:03 PM  

gar1013: I pay significantly more in tax than I receive benefit for.


You're right!  Not once has the US military ever personally saved my life, despite all the money I've given them.  Let's get eliminate that moneypit first.
 
2018-01-13 03:01:44 PM  

BolloxReader: You don't get it. There is a system already developed that plugs into just about ecommerce checkout system that automatically calculates and records sales taxes based on the delivery address.

If you have it delivered to a no sales tax jurisdiction, there's no taxes applied.

And if you live in a sales tax state and drive to a tax free state to buy stuff, you're already expected to pay sales tax in your own state. It's usually a line on the state income tax form.


No, you don't get it.  You're allowing a state to legislate outside of their boundaries.

Businesses have to take on extra time and expense integrating said software, and later handling remittance of those sales taxes, to comply with a law in a state they're not in and get no benefit in paying taxes to.

A sales tax also applies to services, so in theory if I do work for a client in Texas, I don't need to pay a Texas sales tax currently because I don't have any presence in Texas.  You pay taxes by where you are, which includes income taxes.

If this changes, I'll need to collect Texas sales taxes for services provided in a state with no sales tax.  I don't use an eCommerce platform, so I would have actual costs for collecting that tax on a per client basis.

This change is about a lot more than the crap you buy on Amazon.
 
2018-01-13 03:03:49 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: gar1013: I pay significantly more in tax than I receive benefit for.

You're right!  Not once has the US military ever personally saved my life, despite all the money I've given them.  Let's get eliminate that moneypit first.


Ok
 
2018-01-13 03:23:04 PM  

davidphogan: BolloxReader: You don't get it. There is a system already developed that plugs into just about ecommerce checkout system that automatically calculates and records sales taxes based on the delivery address.

If you have it delivered to a no sales tax jurisdiction, there's no taxes applied.

And if you live in a sales tax state and drive to a tax free state to buy stuff, you're already expected to pay sales tax in your own state. It's usually a line on the state income tax form.

No, you don't get it.  You're allowing a state to legislate outside of their boundaries.

Businesses have to take on extra time and expense integrating said software, and later handling remittance of those sales taxes, to comply with a law in a state they're not in and get no benefit in paying taxes to.

A sales tax also applies to services, so in theory if I do work for a client in Texas, I don't need to pay a Texas sales tax currently because I don't have any presence in Texas.  You pay taxes by where you are, which includes income taxes.

If this changes, I'll need to collect Texas sales taxes for services provided in a state with no sales tax.  I don't use an eCommerce platform, so I would have actual costs for collecting that tax on a per client basis.

This change is about a lot more than the crap you buy on Amazon.


And is a reasonable amount vs Mr I don't want to pay taxes.

I'd say sticking with the physical presence requirement makes the most sense for collecting sales tax
 
2018-01-13 03:26:10 PM  
Everyone complaining about how online sales is unfair to Brick and Mortar stores is painfully ignorant of catalog sales of years past.  Only the medium changed.  Get over yourselves regarding this "leveling the playing field" BS.
 
2018-01-13 03:37:29 PM  

gar1013: Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.

The notion that I should be taxed on my income, which I then use to buy something that is also taxed, that I then carry to my car which is also taxed, and then bring it to my home which is taxed...well, you get the idea.

Let's let make the farkers in every statehouse stop seeing us an an endless revenue source for their fiscal mismanagement.


another guy who wants nice things from the government but doesn't want to have to pay his share for it.
 
2018-01-13 03:39:09 PM  
How about we get rid of sales tax entirely?   Horribly regressive method of taxation.
 
2018-01-13 03:46:15 PM  

gar1013: Krieghund: gar1013: Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.

The notion that I should be taxed on my income, which I then use to buy something that is also taxed, that I then carry to my car which is also taxed, and then bring it to my home which is taxed...well, you get the idea.

Yep, I get the idea that you benefit from government infrastructure at all kinds of levels.

I pay significantly more in tax than I receive benefit for. It's been that way for quite some time.

I've actually intentionally decided to make "less money" on various occasions by moving because I could live better through decreased taxes and their knock on effect on cost of living.


Sure you do Warren Buffett. Unless you're somehow a billionaire the roads you drive on cost more to build than any annual salary.
 
2018-01-13 03:59:54 PM  

Gary-L: Everyone complaining about how online sales is unfair to Brick and Mortar stores is painfully ignorant of catalog sales of years past.  Only the medium changed.  Get over yourselves regarding this "leveling the playing field" BS.


Back in the day, a couple of states did require their sales tax be paid with mail order sales - they all had the legal right to. Most just didn't bother, because the revenue wasn't worth the trouble of going after.
E-commerce seems to have changed all that.
I honestly don't know what the Hell they should do about this mess.
 
2018-01-13 04:18:14 PM  
BolloxReader: You don't get it. There is a system already developed that plugs into just about ecommerce checkout system that automatically calculates and records sales taxes based on the delivery address.

Do you have any examples of this, or any idea what it costs? I've looked at a few companies, and they seem really steep, at least for a small outfit.
 
2018-01-13 04:22:23 PM  

Al Zeimer: BolloxReader: You don't get it. There is a system already developed that plugs into just about ecommerce checkout system that automatically calculates and records sales taxes based on the delivery address.

Do you have any examples of this, or any idea what it costs? I've looked at a few companies, and they seem really steep, at least for a small outfit.


Amazon.

But a fair point about smaller companies doing this. But the premise is there.
 
2018-01-13 04:28:33 PM  

gar1013: Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.

The notion that I should be taxed on my income, which I then use to buy something that is also taxed, that I then carry to my car which is also taxed, and then bring it to my home which is taxed...well, you get the idea.

Let's let make the farkers in every statehouse stop seeing us an an endless revenue source for their fiscal mismanagement.


But then states can't stick it to the poors.
 
2018-01-13 04:31:17 PM  

gar1013: Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.

The notion that I should be taxed on my income, which I then use to buy something that is also taxed, that I then carry to my car which is also taxed, and then bring it to my home which is taxed...well, you get the idea.

Let's let make the farkers in every statehouse stop seeing us an an endless revenue source for their fiscal mismanagement.


T.H.I.S.
 
2018-01-13 04:48:11 PM  

gar1013: I pay significantly more in tax than I receive benefit for.


Show your work.  And try not to be hilarious.
 
2018-01-13 05:05:07 PM  
Not surprised South Dakota is leading the charge here. With no state income tax, they really want to get their hands on the online sales tax they could earn.
 
2018-01-13 05:13:00 PM  

BolloxReader: davidphogan: ColonelCathcart: Good. Amazon and others have had a X% advantage over brick and mortar retailers simply because of a loophole.

It was never fair, and it goes all the way back to Sears....

http://www.milesconsultinggroup.com/bl​og/2014/09/25/why-online-retailers-owe​-their-tax-treatment-to-mail-order-cat​alogs/

So a business in a state without a sales tax should still be required to have the burden of collecting a sales tax if people are from out of state?

What about tourists?  Lots of people visit Oregon for tax free shopping.  Aren't they a problem as well?

There are lots of problems once you start letting states govern outside their own boundaries.

You don't get it. There is a system already developed that plugs into just about ecommerce checkout system that automatically calculates and records sales taxes based on the delivery address.

If you have it delivered to a no sales tax jurisdiction, there's no taxes applied.

And if you live in a sales tax state and drive to a tax free state to buy stuff, you're already expected to pay sales tax in your own state. It's usually a line on the state income tax form.


Hey awesome, so if I open a small online retail shop, not only do I have the privilege of paying for a monthly service to calculate sales tax for every micro-jurisdiction in every state (which won't be cheap) but I also get the privilege of preparing 50 state tax returns (er, 46) to pay this sales tax. And it's not just looking up a percentage and multiplying by the invoice, different jurisdictions include different things in the sales tax. If you have a small grocery store in Wichita you can learn the sales tax laws for your state. If you have an online store you will need to go through all of your merchandise and code it properly so the various rules know whether or not to tax that item.

This problem can be fixed by Congress at any time. It's been 30 years and all of these 46 states have enough votes in Congress to pass a bill to require sales tax to be collected, if it were actually a good idea. Instead of getting this done these lobbyists are going after 9 geriatric guys who probably have their e-mail printed out every morning by their secretary.

It's simply not a problem anymore. Amazon collects tax in all states and most big companies have operations in the major states.
 
2018-01-13 05:18:00 PM  

stevesporn2000: Hey awesome, so if I open a small online retail shop, not only do I have the privilege of paying for a monthly service to calculate sales tax for every micro-jurisdiction in every state (which won't be cheap) but I also get the privilege of preparing 50 state tax returns (er, 46) to pay this sales tax. And it's not just looking up a percentage and multiplying by the invoice, different jurisdictions include different things in the sales tax. If you have a small grocery store in Wichita you can learn the sales tax laws for your state. If you have an online store you will need to go through all of your merchandise and code it properly so the various rules know whether or not to tax that item.

This problem can be fixed by Congress at any time. It's been 30 years and all of these 46 states have enough votes in Congress to pass a bill to require sales tax to be collected, if it were actually a good idea. Instead of getting this done these lobbyists are going after 9 geriatric guys who probably have their e-mail printed out every morning by their secretary.

It's simply not a problem anymore. Amazon collects tax in all states and most big companies have operations in the major states.


LOL, wut?

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2018-01-13 05:32:22 PM  

gar1013: Krieghund: gar1013: Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.

The notion that I should be taxed on my income, which I then use to buy something that is also taxed, that I then carry to my car which is also taxed, and then bring it to my home which is taxed...well, you get the idea.

Yep, I get the idea that you benefit from government infrastructure at all kinds of levels.

I pay significantly more in tax than I receive benefit for. It's been that way for quite some time.

I've actually intentionally decided to make "less money" on various occasions by moving because I could live better through decreased taxes and their knock on effect on cost of living.


Ah. You're so cute.
 
2018-01-13 05:47:34 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Good. Amazon and others have had a X% advantage over brick and mortar retailers simply because of a loophole.

It was never fair, and it goes all the way back to Sears....

http://www.milesconsultinggroup.com/bl​og/2014/09/25/why-online-retailers-owe​-their-tax-treatment-to-mail-order-cat​alogs/


This actually gives the current big online players an advantage. They're the ones with the legal, accounting, and systems in place to let you know what the sales tax on an item is in the country. A startup? They're going to have to outsource.
 
2018-01-13 05:50:55 PM  

kudayta: How about we get rid of sales tax entirely?   Horribly regressive method of taxation.


I agree, they are regressive. But ask an economist what tax systems are most fair and they will tell you "consumption taxes". Sales taxes are a form of consumption tax.
 
2018-01-13 05:57:08 PM  

Misch: But ask an economist what tax systems are most fair and they will tell you "consumption taxes".


Which economist?

"Fair" becomes meaningless if it's radically distant from what works.
 
2018-01-13 06:07:55 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Misch: But ask an economist what tax systems are most fair and they will tell you "consumption taxes".

Which economist?

"Fair" becomes meaningless if it's radically distant from what works.


Planet Money episode 387, Six policies economists love (and politicians hate)
 
2018-01-13 06:34:17 PM  

stevesporn2000: Hey awesome, so if I open a small online retail shop, not only do I have the privilege of paying for a monthly service to calculate sales tax for every micro-jurisdiction in every state (which won't be cheap) but I also get the privilege of preparing 50 state tax returns (er, 46) to pay this sales tax. And it's not just looking up a percentage and multiplying by the invoice, different jurisdictions include different things in the sales tax.


$7 a month add-on to quickbooks pro. All automated, taken directly from the sales order you enter. Next objection?
 
2018-01-13 06:36:31 PM  

Dr.Fey: ColonelCathcart: Good. Amazon and others have had a X% advantage over brick and mortar retailers simply because of a loophole.

I hate to break this to you, since you were rolling, but FTA:

Some online retailers, including leading player Amazon.com Inc, already collect state sales tax.

I get charged CA state sales tax on my Amazon purchases when appropriate.


Amazon only collect sales tax in states in which they have a physical presence, like their corporate offices, distribution centers, etc. At present, that's only 23 states.
 
2018-01-13 07:03:41 PM  
Sales Tax or VAT (value added tax) amazes me. It amazes me that any government had the balls to introduce it and it amazes me that any population put up with it.

"wait, you want me to pay tax when I spend the money that I already paid tax on when I earned it?"

VAT was set at 17.5% for years in the UK. When the banks farked the economy, the Chancellor had it reduced to 15% to "stimulate the economy". For about a year, then he had it raised to 20% where it has remained for many, many years.

/why does my arse hurt so bad?
 
2018-01-13 07:09:35 PM  

gar1013: Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.


Some states (Like Washington State) don't have a state income tax -- the majority of state revenue comes from sales tax.
 
2018-01-13 07:35:58 PM  
I think the deciding question will be them deciding where the  transaction takes place. So is it the  location of the  Retailer or the  Customer?  I can see the  states arguing that the Transaction taking place with the  customer since they initiate the purchase and the retailers arguing that it is at their location since they have the product- not good for retailers.  The unforeseen thing here is that if they rule that it takes place at the retailer then the states where the retailer is located can tax the transaction- not good for places like S.D..
 
2018-01-13 07:47:45 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: stevesporn2000: Hey awesome, so if I open a small online retail shop, not only do I have the privilege of paying for a monthly service to calculate sales tax for every micro-jurisdiction in every state (which won't be cheap) but I also get the privilege of preparing 50 state tax returns (er, 46) to pay this sales tax. And it's not just looking up a percentage and multiplying by the invoice, different jurisdictions include different things in the sales tax.

$7 a month add-on to quickbooks pro. All automated, taken directly from the sales order you enter. Next objection?


You think that's the only cost?
 
2018-01-13 08:28:06 PM  

grimlock1972: gar1013: Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.

The notion that I should be taxed on my income, which I then use to buy something that is also taxed, that I then carry to my car which is also taxed, and then bring it to my home which is taxed...well, you get the idea.

Let's let make the farkers in every statehouse stop seeing us an an endless revenue source for their fiscal mismanagement.

another guy who wants nice things from the government but doesn't want to have to pay his share for it.


I've paid my share and then some. And then some more.
 
2018-01-13 08:29:30 PM  

nquadroa: gar1013: Krieghund: gar1013: Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.

The notion that I should be taxed on my income, which I then use to buy something that is also taxed, that I then carry to my car which is also taxed, and then bring it to my home which is taxed...well, you get the idea.

Yep, I get the idea that you benefit from government infrastructure at all kinds of levels.

I pay significantly more in tax than I receive benefit for. It's been that way for quite some time.

I've actually intentionally decided to make "less money" on various occasions by moving because I could live better through decreased taxes and their knock on effect on cost of living.

Sure you do Warren Buffett. Unless you're somehow a billionaire the roads you drive on cost more to build than any annual salary.


Oh you got me! Those expensive roads that I have all to myself.

Wrong.

Know what's better? When you have to pay tolls to drive on the roads that are supposedly funded by tax revenue.
 
2018-01-13 08:32:25 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: gar1013: I pay significantly more in tax than I receive benefit for.

Show your work.  And try not to be hilarious.


Still working on completing my taxes, but I'm paying more in taxes annually than what it'd take to live a modest but reasonable existence in a lower cost of living area.
 
2018-01-13 08:36:33 PM  

Excelsior: gar1013: Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.

Some states (Like Washington State) don't have a state income tax -- the majority of state revenue comes from sales tax.


Sucks for them. Perhaps they should come up with another funding source.
 
2018-01-13 09:16:20 PM  
Keep in mind, sales tax isn't just state based -- it also varies from county to county, and town to town. And you can't just do it by zipcode either, since those boundaries are entirely separate from municipal borders --you'd have to figure it out based on the actual street address.

You also get to have the joy of figuring out WHAT is taxed where, AND at what rate.

For example: some states don't have sales tax on food, some states have higher tax on certain 'luxery' items. Some states consider chewing gum food and don't charge any sales tax on it, in other places it's a food but it IS taxed, in some places it's a standard non-food item, in some other places it's considered a luxery item, in and others yet you get to pay an extra 'sin' tax on top of the normal sales tax. ...Except of course when it's sugar-free gum, then it may fall in an entirely different category. But again, not everywhere.

And keep in mind that that's just at the state level -- counties and cities can have their own separate additions on top of that.
A quick google says that there are 19,492 municipal governments, 16,519 township governments, and 3,033 county governments., each of which can have their own tax rates AND classifications of what needs to be taxed in the first place. Plus keep in mind that each rate is only one local government meeting away from changing, so good luck staying on top of everything, and if you undercharged your customers you'll get to make up the difference yourself.

Needless to say, It's an absolute minefield for small businesses.
 
2018-01-13 09:25:41 PM  

gar1013: I'm paying more in taxes annually than what it'd take to live a modest but reasonable existence in a lower cost of living area.


That's not the definition of "paying your share."

You need to itemize your appraisal of the roads you use, national military protection, government research that created things like the internet, etc. and then compare it all to your tax bill.

If you want a comp-based approach, you need to compare to other first-world countries.  Good luck with that.
 
2018-01-13 09:32:01 PM  
Wait till after I buy tires..
285/70/17 are way cheaper online and in mount/balance them myself.
/Vulcan tire for the win
 
2018-01-14 12:39:46 AM  

Excelsior: Keep in mind, sales tax isn't just state based -- it also varies from county to county, and town to town. And you can't just do it by zipcode either, since those boundaries are entirely separate from municipal borders --you'd have to figure it out based on the actual street address.

You also get to have the joy of figuring out WHAT is taxed where, AND at what rate.

For example: some states don't have sales tax on food, some states have higher tax on certain 'luxery' items. Some states consider chewing gum food and don't charge any sales tax on it, in other places it's a food but it IS taxed, in some places it's a standard non-food item, in some other places it's considered a luxery item, in and others yet you get to pay an extra 'sin' tax on top of the normal sales tax. ...Except of course when it's sugar-free gum, then it may fall in an entirely different category. But again, not everywhere.

And keep in mind that that's just at the state level -- counties and cities can have their own separate additions on top of that.
A quick google says that there are 19,492 municipal governments, 16,519 township governments, and 3,033 county governments., each of which can have their own tax rates AND classifications of what needs to be taxed in the first place. Plus keep in mind that each rate is only one local government meeting away from changing, so good luck staying on top of everything, and if you undercharged your customers you'll get to make up the difference yourself.

Needless to say, It's an absolute minefield for small businesses.


There are data sets out there that have the rates for every municipality and popular payment processors like PayPal have that all built in.

Let's stop pretending that it's 1995. Calculating local sales tax for online stores is simple to do.
 
2018-01-14 01:32:33 AM  

ColonelCathcart: Good. Amazon and others have had a X% advantage over brick and mortar retailers simply because of a loophole.


They haven't had that loophole in Arizona for a couple years now and I still go with Amazon over Best Buy or other brick and mortar. It isn't like B&M is a mom and pop store that I'd be otherwise supporting when it comes to retail, it's all mega corporations anyway. And with Prime, shiat comes to me.
 
2018-01-14 04:34:56 AM  
I believe the individual purchasing the items is always responsible for the taxes.
https://www.tax.ohio.gov/taxeducation​/​internet_catalog_purchases.aspx
 
2018-01-14 10:18:39 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: gar1013: I pay significantly more in tax than I receive benefit for.

You're right!  Not once has the US military ever personally saved my life, despite all the money I've given them.  Let's get eliminate that moneypit first.


If the US cut military spending by 70% we would still be outspending every country on the planet.

And if you remove China, we would STILL be spending as much as the next 10 countries combined so...

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2018-01-14 01:35:59 PM  

gar1013: Eliminate sales tax. Then it's a level playing field.

The notion that I should be taxed on my income, which I then use to buy something that is also taxed, that I then carry to my car which is also taxed, and then bring it to my home which is taxed...well, you get the idea.

Let's let make the farkers in every statehouse stop seeing us an an endless revenue source for their fiscal mismanagement.


big business and the 1% hire tax lawyers to fix their tax problem. you pay the difference. aint freedom great!
 
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