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2018-01-13 01:13:05 AM  
One CEO, subby, who just oh-so-farking-coincidentally happens to be selling a product that's applied as a lable on other products to track sustained temperature ranges.

"Don't trust those exploitative, disingenuous assholes - trust me!", says an exploitative, disingenuous asshole.
 
2018-01-13 01:13:21 AM  
*label - seriously, I didn't do that...
 
2018-01-13 01:49:32 AM  
Those are pretty much crap.
Use your nose but don't thow out stuff that's good because it's past it's "Sell by Date"

That's just a sign of a mental illness.

"Expiration date" maybe...or "use by" date Maybe.
"sell by" is what the store goes by before they take a loss on it. Because when a consumer buys a packer of lunch meat...they expect it to last a week.
The "SELL BY" date means it's on the countdown to that week. And stores ditch those and take a loss/recupe from the suppliers.

Mostly those are saying it's not going to taste as well after the 'use by' date.
Expiration date...that's for dairy, cream, lunch meat, etc. ....and again it's still just a suggestion.
use your nose. A 'fridge that has a colder temp will keep things longer. You'll find milk past it's expiration date that's  fine. If it's been kept in a colder 'fridge.

And eggs. Those can go weeks past their 'best buy' date.... In fact if you want boiled eggs, use eggs 1 or 2 weeks past their best buy date.
 
2018-01-13 02:25:32 AM  
Food does not suddenly self-destruct on its expiration date. That date is chosen such that (almost) none of the food packages will spoil by that date. It is also a recommendation to the retailer that the food presents less well as it ages beyond that date. It isn't intended to tell you that you will die if you eat food that is past its date, or that you have to throw it out. It can help you decide how to rotate your stored food. Let's all stop talking as if the date is some kind of conspiracy on the part of the food industry. It just isn't.
 
2018-01-13 02:34:19 AM  

This About That: Food does not suddenly self-destruct on its expiration date. That date is chosen such that (almost) none of the food packages will spoil by that date. It is also a recommendation to the retailer that the food presents less well as it ages beyond that date. It isn't intended to tell you that you will die if you eat food that is past its date, or that you have to throw it out. It can help you decide how to rotate your stored food. Let's all stop talking as if the date is some kind of conspiracy on the part of the food industry. It just isn't.


THAT.
Some people That take "BEST BY" date.. or "SELL BY" Date like it suddenly becomes poison at midnight and needs to be thrown away.
This is a people problem...not a food safety problem.
 
2018-01-13 05:30:17 AM  
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And bring me some fresh wine, none of that old stuff.
 
2018-01-13 07:27:40 AM  
Just buy less food and eat only what you need, you fat farks.
 
2018-01-13 07:35:17 AM  

FarkingReading: Just buy less food and eat only what you need, you fat farks.


Common sense would dictate that fat people are more likely to eat food before it goes bad than skinny people.
 
2018-01-13 07:36:20 AM  
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2018-01-13 07:40:20 AM  
Expiration dates are a thing of the past. Even terminology like "sell by" and "use by" have all pretty much been replaced with "best by" on pretty much every food item you'll find in grocery stores these days, and for obvious reasons. There is no magic date when something goes bad, if it looks, smells and tastes fine, then it likely is.
 
2018-01-13 07:53:16 AM  

wademh: [s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com image 640x360]
And bring me some fresh wine, none of that old stuff.

the best wines are french wine and italian wine. they make the best salad dressing too.

 
2018-01-13 07:54:02 AM  
Expiration dates are guidelines.  Use your eyes and nose.  And it works both ways... just because the sell by date says tomorrow, doesn't mean that chicken hasn't gone bad.
 
2018-01-13 07:55:29 AM  
I've got a Costco sized bag of meatballs in the deep freezer downstairs that i'm gonna turn into some form of beef stroganoff this weekend, but oh lord the fights it's caused with the wife because it's "best by" about 3 days ago. It was frozen at the store, and it came home and got frozen, so i'm not concerned, but she thinks it's going to kill the children and possibly the dog if they look at it for more than 10 seconds.
 
2018-01-13 07:55:30 AM  

ReapTheChaos: FarkingReading: Just buy less food and eat only what you need, you fat farks.

Common sense would dictate that fat people are more likely to eat food before it goes bad than skinny people.


Don't bring logic and reason into the narrative!
 
2018-01-13 07:56:12 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Expiration dates are a thing of the past. Even terminology like "sell by" and "use by" have all pretty much been replaced with "best by" on pretty much every food item you'll find in grocery stores these days, and for obvious reasons. There is no magic date when something goes bad, if it looks, smells and tastes fine, then it likely is.


Not really on the first part. In fact, there's talk by the FDA or maybe the industry of switching to a single expiration label instead of the current system of 6 different ones.

/Was taught as a kid thst milk "goes bad fivr days after thst date."
//Have saved big a few times buying milk approaching its date and have never had any problems
 
2018-01-13 08:00:27 AM  

FarkingReading: Just buy less food and eat only what you need, you fat farks.


I remember the first time I heard "if you are not hungry enough to eat an apple, you are not hungry." I took it to heart. I went two days. Yeah we buy too much and eat too much.
 
2018-01-13 08:06:51 AM  

FarkingReading: Just buy less food and eat only what you need, you fat farks.


Good advice, but food poisoning can be a great crash diet program.
 
2018-01-13 08:07:55 AM  

FarkingReading: Just buy less food and eat only what you need, you fat farks.


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2018-01-13 08:09:11 AM  
I'd also like to add in that food storage and handling also plays a role in how well your food is going to last.
One of my friends always wonders why his milk seems to go bad long before the date printed on the container. His grocery story is the same I go to so the problem is not there. He has a new fridge and it's at the proper temperature. The big problem is him.
I find out that after he buys the milk, he goes around town with the milk sitting in the front seat of his car as he does other stuff. That might be several hours. Imagine the effect that's going to have when it's a Kansas summer day and it's 100+ outside.
Yeah, not so good.
I pointed this out and he still doesn't get it.
 
2018-01-13 08:10:02 AM  

FnkyTwn: I've got a Costco sized bag of meatballs in the deep freezer downstairs that i'm gonna turn into some form of beef stroganoff this weekend, but oh lord the fights it's caused with the wife because it's "best by" about 3 days ago. It was frozen at the store, and it came home and got frozen, so i'm not concerned, but she thinks it's going to kill the children and possibly the dog if they look at it for more than 10 seconds.


How sad, you'll have to eat all the meatballs yourself.
 
2018-01-13 08:10:26 AM  

Fireproof: ReapTheChaos: Expiration dates are a thing of the past. Even terminology like "sell by" and "use by" have all pretty much been replaced with "best by" on pretty much every food item you'll find in grocery stores these days, and for obvious reasons. There is no magic date when something goes bad, if it looks, smells and tastes fine, then it likely is.

Not really on the first part. In fact, there's talk by the FDA or maybe the industry of switching to a single expiration label instead of the current system of 6 different ones.

/Was taught as a kid thst milk "goes bad fivr days after thst date."
//Have saved big a few times buying milk approaching its date and have never had any problems


Not sure what part you're disagreeing with, but pretty much everything in my kitchen uses "best by", with a few still using "use by". Milk, for example, was once listed as "sell by", but even that's switched to "best by" these days. I'd say the industry is going with one, and that's best by.
 
2018-01-13 08:12:45 AM  
Tommy:  Let's think about this for a sec, Ted, why would somebody put an expiration date on food? Hmmm, very interesting.

Ted Nelson: Go on, I'm listening.

Tommy: Here's the way I see it, Ted. Guy puts a fancy expiration date on food 'cause he wants you to fell all warm and toasty inside.

Ted Nelson: Yeah, makes a man feel good.

Tommy: 'Course it does. Why shouldn't it? Ya figure you put that jug of milk under your pillow at night, the Pasteurization Fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?

Ted Nelson: What's your point?

Tommy: The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Build model airplanes" says the little fairy, well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.

Ted Nelson: But why do they put an expiration date  on the food?

Tommy: Because they know all they sold ya was an expiring piece of shiat. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in an egg crate and mark it "best before Jan-13-2018", I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me.

Ted Nelson: Okay, I'll buy from you.
 
2018-01-13 08:14:06 AM  
This week I came across some taco shells in my pantry with an expiration date in early 2016. I gave them a nibble just to see. They tasted like the Orcs' equivalent of lembas bread.
 
2018-01-13 08:14:19 AM  
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2018-01-13 08:19:10 AM  
CEO? If I'm going to trust a TLA to on food safety, I'd rather prefer the CDC.
 
2018-01-13 08:21:22 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Fireproof: ReapTheChaos: Expiration dates are a thing of the past. Even terminology like "sell by" and "use by" have all pretty much been replaced with "best by" on pretty much every food item you'll find in grocery stores these days, and for obvious reasons. There is no magic date when something goes bad, if it looks, smells and tastes fine, then it likely is.

Not really on the first part. In fact, there's talk by the FDA or maybe the industry of switching to a single expiration label instead of the current system of 6 different ones.

/Was taught as a kid thst milk "goes bad fivr days after thst date."
//Have saved big a few times buying milk approaching its date and have never had any problems

Not sure what part you're disagreeing with, but pretty much everything in my kitchen uses "best by", with a few still using "use by". Milk, for example, was once listed as "sell by", but even that's switched to "best by" these days. I'd say the industry is going with one, and that's best by.


Have only been paying so much attention to them, but I generally see:

-"Best by"
-"Sell by"
-"Use by"
-"Best before"
-And a LOT with just a date and nothing else
 
2018-01-13 08:32:12 AM  
I irradiate my leftovers
 
2018-01-13 08:33:29 AM  

Doctor Poop: I irradiate my leftovers


I just assume my fridge light takes care of that
 
2018-01-13 08:37:33 AM  

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Milk is one of the few things I go by on the date it says. Always seems to go bad at most a day after the date, sometimes a day or so sooner if its only a small amount left in the gallon.
 
2018-01-13 08:46:53 AM  

elkboy: Doctor Poop: I irradiate my leftovers

I just assume my fridge light takes care of that


No one really knows what happens when the door is closed
 
2018-01-13 09:14:05 AM  

FnkyTwn: I've got a Costco sized bag of meatballs in the deep freezer downstairs that i'm gonna turn into some form of beef stroganoff this weekend, but oh lord the fights it's caused with the wife because it's "best by" about 3 days ago. It was frozen at the store, and it came home and got frozen, so i'm not concerned, but she thinks it's going to kill the children and possibly the dog if they look at it for more than 10 seconds.


Like Ralphie May said, "Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy?"
 
2018-01-13 09:14:21 AM  

theropod: This week I came across some taco shells in my pantry with an expiration date in early 2016. I gave them a nibble just to see. They tasted like the Orcs' equivalent of lembas bread.


I tried some walnuts with a 2015 sell by date last week. They tasted fine at first but left a nasty aftertaste which didn't go away for a few minutes. I threw the rest of the package out. I haven't died yet, it seems.
 
2018-01-13 09:33:10 AM  

FnkyTwn: I've got a Costco sized bag of meatballs in the deep freezer downstairs that i'm gonna turn into some form of beef stroganoff this weekend, but oh lord the fights it's caused with the wife because it's "best by" about 3 days ago. It was frozen at the store, and it came home and got frozen, so i'm not concerned, but she thinks it's going to kill the children and possibly the dog if they look at it for more than 10 seconds.


This reminded me of a story. About 15 years ago when I still lived at home, our neighbour knocked on our door and offered up some meat he had in the freezer for our dog. He said it was about 6 months old and "probably still good." We declined.

In hindsight I could see the logic in his decision to offer it to us, but we barely knew him. Considering this guy got upset and removed a vine that wrapped around our shared fence, I wasn't going to trust any food he gave us.

Anyway, I'm generally overly paranoid about expiry dates and I'd still eat those 3 days past the date frozen meatballs. If the freezing doesn't kill the bacteria, the cooking process should.
 
2018-01-13 09:34:58 AM  
Ignore expiration dates on food?

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2018-01-13 09:35:19 AM  
Man, there really is an XKCD comic for everything!

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2018-01-13 09:55:02 AM  
It rather depends on the product.   Things like milk, spring mix and sprouts seem to turn into bacterial soup right on schedule.

On the other hand, a few days ago I ate a can of pea soup that was 2 years expired.  It tasted sad, and the texture was all watery instead of the usual nice gooeyness. But of course it didn't make me ill.  Intact cans are totally sterile at the time of packing, so all that happens is that the food slowly breaks down into simpler and more boring compounds over time.

I've also found mustard that was as much as 5 years expired and couldn't tell the difference in taste.

Another time, old honey.  I couldn't read the expiry date, but it tasted fine.  Honey lasts for centuries.
 
2018-01-13 09:59:59 AM  

optikeye: Those are pretty much crap.
Use your nose but don't thow out stuff that's good because it's past it's "Sell by Date"

That's just a sign of a mental illness.

"Expiration date" maybe...or "use by" date Maybe.
"sell by" is what the store goes by before they take a loss on it. Because when a consumer buys a packer of lunch meat...they expect it to last a week.
The "SELL BY" date means it's on the countdown to that week. And stores ditch those and take a loss/recupe from the suppliers.

Mostly those are saying it's not going to taste as well after the 'use by' date.
Expiration date...that's for dairy, cream, lunch meat, etc. ....and again it's still just a suggestion.
use your nose. A 'fridge that has a colder temp will keep things longer. You'll find milk past it's expiration date that's  fine. If it's been kept in a colder 'fridge.

And eggs. Those can go weeks past their 'best buy' date.... In fact if you want boiled eggs, use eggs 1 or 2 weeks past their best buy date.


The nose knows.
 
2018-01-13 10:01:33 AM  

PolyHatSnake: Man, there really is an XKCD comic for everything!

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Ditto for The Far Side

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2018-01-13 10:02:29 AM  

optikeye: This About That: Food does not suddenly self-destruct on its expiration date. That date is chosen such that (almost) none of the food packages will spoil by that date. It is also a recommendation to the retailer that the food presents less well as it ages beyond that date. It isn't intended to tell you that you will die if you eat food that is past its date, or that you have to throw it out. It can help you decide how to rotate your stored food. Let's all stop talking as if the date is some kind of conspiracy on the part of the food industry. It just isn't.

THAT.
Some people That take "BEST BY" date.. or "SELL BY" Date like it suddenly becomes poison at midnight and needs to be thrown away.
This is a people problem...not a food safety problem.


We get a lot of good free food from my wife's brother because he is defective.
 
2018-01-13 10:04:57 AM  

wademh: [s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com image 640x360]
And bring me some fresh wine, none of that old stuff.


Steve was asking for a nice beaujolais nouveau.  Not all wines benefit from aging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of​_​vins_de_primeur
 
2018-01-13 10:13:12 AM  
Does anything actually have expiration dates anymore?  I don't think I've seen one in forever.

I often see 'Best By' or 'Best Before' or 'Use By' dates.
I often see 'Sell by' dates.

In all cases, these are general recommendations for you to have the best experience with your food.  It's only marginally related to the food being safe to eat.
 
2018-01-13 10:17:32 AM  

Fissile: wademh: [s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com image 640x360]
And bring me some fresh wine, none of that old stuff.

Steve was asking for a nice beaujolais nouveau.  Not all wines benefit from aging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_​vins_de_primeur


So wine pedophilia is a thing.  I gues "tentacle grape" isn't just a funny name.
 
2018-01-13 10:17:40 AM  

flemardo: millerthyme: [img.fark.net image 640x480]

Milk is one of the few things I go by on the date it says. Always seems to go bad at most a day after the date, sometimes a day or so sooner if its only a small amount left in the gallon.


I'll eat stuff past the expiration date. Jar of salsa that "expired" 4 months ago? Still good. Candy from 5 years ago? I'll eat it. But I do not fark with milk. The day it expires, down the sink it goes. I drank lumpy milk once. Never again. Never. Again.
 
2018-01-13 10:22:40 AM  

Mister Peejay: Fissile: wademh: [s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com image 640x360]
And bring me some fresh wine, none of that old stuff.

Steve was asking for a nice beaujolais nouveau.  Not all wines benefit from aging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_​vins_de_primeur

So wine pedophilia is a thing.  I gues "tentacle grape" isn't just a funny name.


Um, I guess that's one way of looking at it.
 
2018-01-13 10:26:59 AM  
The only thing I ever toss is fruit and veggies, and it's pretty obvious when they've gone bad. Occasionally a little milk if I haven't been into it. I eat a at least couple of eggs almost every day so they never even get close to their date, and I've bought four and even five dozen at a time.

Meat and milk I buy for the month and freeze. Dry goods I buy a month's supply. Since it's just me I buy the half gallon jugs of milk as that's what I can kill before it goes sour. I actually plan my meals for the month and buy to that, with a little wiggle room for improvisation if I just don't have a taste for what I have planned. Depends on what I have planned, but sometimes I'll hit the store mid-month for more fruit and veggies.

Many of my recipes are from my mom and built for a family of four, so instead of modifying them I freeze the leftovers. I currently have Red Beans and Rice, Crawfish Etouffe, Lasagna, Pancakes, Stir Fried Rice, some plain rice, Chicken Parm, and some marinara sauce in the freezer.

I farking hate wasting food so I stay on top of things really well. Sometimes it's unavoidable with things like spinach and lettuce though. Especially if I bought for salads and decided I hate salads a few days in a row. Right now the oldest thing I've got in the freezer are the Red Beans made in November and they'll be eaten by the end of this month.

Hard rule in my house is if I've thawed meat it gets cooked asap. That shiat's too expensive to waste.
 
2018-01-13 10:33:51 AM  

CluelessMoron: Things like milk, spring mix and sprouts seem to turn into bacterial soup right on schedule.


Milk doesn't spoil, it sours.  Still just as safe, just not tasty.  Can be used for cooking, or making your own cheese, depending on how far it went.  I'm about taste, so I time how much to buy for my needs.

Produce is just a visual thing.  One thing to remember, stores play games with the conditions to adjust the time you have with vegetables.  Bananas are gassed to speed up aging prior to shipping to the stores, and closely climate controlled to keep it at that pace.  The store has a strict routine of opening the boxes to air the bananas in a carefully temp controlled room, before taking them to the sales floor.  They have at most 2 days to receive green bananas, and sell them before they are turning brown, and then reduce the price.  Tomatoes are also kept in that room.  Salad mixes on the other hand, they're kept cold, to keep the freshness as long as possible.  They have two different ordering numbers for avocados, one for ripe with only a day or two, and the other for green with a few days.  They mix them on the shelf.  So you really gotta know your avocados, and when you need to use them.  That night, look for the brown, softish avo.  Go with green if you don't need it for a couple days.

eyeq360: His grocery story is the same I go to so the problem is not there.


Depends, is there two different places in the store?  Several stores around here sell milk in open cases at the front of the store.  They still sell milk in the back, in enclosed cases, but the open cases at the front are for those who complain about only needing milk and it's at the back.  I only buy from the back.  Why, the milk in the front cases are not kept below 40ºF properly, and taste funny from the time you open it.  Buy only from enclosed cases, where the milk is filled from the back.  The only time that milk has likely been out of refrigeration is unloading from the truck, which shouldn't take longer than 30 minutes.  While the milk in an open case may have been there over a day.  Date means nothing, but conditions matter for taste.

Although, I won't discredit it being his fault.  A retired butcher told me about a woman who shopped on her lunch break, then left her groceries in her car till after work, on a hot summer day.  Tried to return a steak that turned brown in the car.  He refused, and sent her away pissed.  The story was decades old, and it still pissed him off how people can be so stupid.  People with sense do their perishable shopping last.  I tend to shop like Sheldon on hot days, last errand, close store to home, cold stuff last (especially ice cream), get home quick.  In the winter, who cares, as long as I get home before the food freezes in the back of the truck.
 
2018-01-13 10:39:21 AM  

eyeq360: I'd also like to add in that food storage and handling also plays a role in how well your food is going to last.
One of my friends always wonders why his milk seems to go bad long before the date printed on the container. His grocery story is the same I go to so the problem is not there. He has a new fridge and it's at the proper temperature. The big problem is him.
I find out that after he buys the milk, he goes around town with the milk sitting in the front seat of his car as he does other stuff. That might be several hours. Imagine the effect that's going to have when it's a Kansas summer day and it's 100+ outside.
Yeah, not so good.
I pointed this out and he still doesn't get it.


Well that's a first for me. Hitting the grocery store means a trip straight home after. I won't even stop at the office to pick up paperwork if I've got cold stuff, and that is less than a 10 minute detour.

I can't even wrap my head around that lack of logic.
 
2018-01-13 10:46:00 AM  

lack of warmth: In the winter, who cares, as long as I get home before the food freezes in the back of the truck.


User name checks out.
 
2018-01-13 10:50:06 AM  

Boudyro: lack of warmth: In the winter, who cares, as long as I get home before the food freezes in the back of the truck.

User name checks out.


16ºF is the today's high.  FREEZE ALL THE THINGS!
 
2018-01-13 10:56:21 AM  

Boudyro: The only thing I ever toss is fruit and veggies, and it's pretty obvious when they've gone bad. Occasionally a little milk if I haven't been into it. I eat a at least couple of eggs almost every day so they never even get close to their date, and I've bought four and even five dozen at a time.


When veggies are too far gone to eat but not moldy you can turn them into vegetable stock
 
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