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2018-01-12 10:51:25 PM  
I read Altered Carbon in the printer's proofs in 2001 - I've been waiting for it to come to a screen since I finished the first chapter.

If it gets the Starship Troopers treatment, someone's gonna regret it.
 
2018-01-12 11:38:38 PM  
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2018-01-12 11:52:37 PM  
Looks good. I can't recall if I ever finished reading the first book or not.

Also nice to see Dichen Lachman working again.
 
2018-01-13 01:00:33 AM  

JustSurfin: If it gets the Starship Troopers treatment, someone's gonna regret it.


QFT
 
2018-01-13 01:06:39 AM  

fusillade762: Looks good. I can't recall if I ever finished reading the first book or not.

Also nice to see Dichen Lachman working again.


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I'd still like to stick my Dichen in her Lachman.

/Self-reported
//For being sexist AND unfunny
///I'm tired, no one's reading this anyway
 
2018-01-13 01:09:16 AM  

fusillade762: Looks good. I can't recall if I ever finished reading the first book or not.

Also nice to see Dichen Lachman working again.


Pretty sure she's a gelfling.

/Dark Crystal gelfling, not Red Dwarf gelfling
 
2018-01-13 01:17:41 AM  
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something happened to the Presidio
 
2018-01-13 01:51:56 AM  
Am I the only one that's annoyed that they're completely departing from the book by making Takeshi a "soldier killed in action 250 years previously"?  I mean, one of the basic aspects of the character is that he's been a spec ops type killing machine with intimate knowledge of biomilitary tech for a really long time.  Turning him into a "fish out of water" character that doesn't have first-hand experience with current tech just rubs me the wrong way, I guess.
 
2018-01-13 02:47:29 AM  

Teufelaffe: Am I the only one that's annoyed that they're completely departing from the book by making Takeshi a "soldier killed in action 250 years previously"?  I mean, one of the basic aspects of the character is that he's been a spec ops type killing machine with intimate knowledge of biomilitary tech for a really long time.  Turning him into a "fish out of water" character that doesn't have first-hand experience with current tech just rubs me the wrong way, I guess.


They figure the audience needs a surrogate, I guess. Though you'd think with all the good sci-fi on TV these days they wouldn't feel the need to dumb things down. But here we are.
 
2018-01-13 03:17:46 AM  

fusillade762: Looks good. I can't recall if I ever finished reading the first book or not. Also nice to see Dichen Lachman working again.


I finished reading it and frankly it looks like it's one of those things that works better on the small screen.

It wasn't a terrible book, but the notion of saving somebody's mind to a computer, growing them a clone body, and then putting their mind into their clone had been done many times before the book came out.

Did anybody do it before John Varley? I think he's the first author I remember telling stories that revolved around the notion, including the short story Overdrawn at the Memory Bank.

MST3k.s08.e22 - Overdrawn at the Memory Bank
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2018-01-13 03:46:08 AM  

BullBearMS: fusillade762: Looks good. I can't recall if I ever finished reading the first book or not. Also nice to see Dichen Lachman working again.

I finished reading it and frankly it looks like it's one of those things that works better on the small screen.

It wasn't a terrible book, but the notion of saving somebody's mind to a computer, growing them a clone body, and then putting their mind into their clone had been done many times before the book came out.

Did anybody do it before John Varley? I think he's the first author I remember telling stories that revolved around the notion, including the short story Overdrawn at the Memory Bank.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/UVo0dyjn​WYo]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_upl​oading_in_fiction

Says Izzard and the Membrane by Walter M. Miller, Jr. 1951.

Thanks for sending me down the rabbit hole.
 
2018-01-13 03:46:46 AM  
Also: Still no Culture series.
 
2018-01-13 03:58:15 AM  

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something happened to the Presidio


Doubt that will be the only William Gibson reference.
 
2018-01-13 04:31:09 AM  

fusillade762: BullBearMS: fusillade762: Looks good. I can't recall if I ever finished reading the first book or not. Also nice to see Dichen Lachman working again.

I finished reading it and frankly it looks like it's one of those things that works better on the small screen.

It wasn't a terrible book, but the notion of saving somebody's mind to a computer, growing them a clone body, and then putting their mind into their clone had been done many times before the book came out.

Did anybody do it before John Varley? I think he's the first author I remember telling stories that revolved around the notion, including the short story Overdrawn at the Memory Bank.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/UVo0dyjn​WYo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_upl​oading_in_fiction

Says Izzard and the Membrane by Walter M. Miller, Jr. 1951.

Thanks for sending me down the rabbit hole.


Oh, now I'm down it too.

They had a ton of examples of authors who have written about the topic, but didn't mention Varley at all.

I remember reading his stories back in the 70's in Omni and having my mind blown.

I did notice a really good book on the topic that I need to read again while peering down that rabbit hole.

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2018-01-13 06:52:31 AM  
"You are still young and stupid. Human life has no value. Haven't you learned that yet, Takeshi, with all you've seen? It has no value, intrinsic to itself. Machines cost money to build. Raw materials cost money to extract. But people?" She made a tiny spitting sound. "You can always get some more people. they reproduce like cancer cells, whether you want them or not. They are abundant, Takeshi. Why should they be valuable? Do you know that it costs us less to recruit and use up a real snuff whore than it does to set up and run the virtual equivalent format. Real human flesh is cheaper than a machine. It's the axiomatic truth of our times."

or...

"There are some arenas so corrupt that the only clean acts possible are nihilistic."

These are the two quotes that encapsulate what this series needs to be. And I am emotionally erect at the possibility that someone will get Morgan's stuff right. Richard K. Morgan is a guy who deserves every accolade his prose has garnered, and a damn sight more.
 
2018-01-13 07:12:26 AM  
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Long live the new flesh.
 
2018-01-13 08:23:01 AM  
I miss Purefoy's Antony, one of the best things about Rome. Excited to see him on T.V. again.
 
2018-01-13 08:32:30 AM  

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Long live the new flesh.


No flesh shall be spared...

M.A.R.K. 13 / Hardware - Power (Fields of the Nephilim)
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2018-01-13 11:14:47 AM  
Glory to the flesh. Glory to the mass.
 
2018-01-13 12:42:11 PM  

Teufelaffe: Am I the only one that's annoyed that they're completely departing from the book by making Takeshi a "soldier killed in action 250 years previously"?  I mean, one of the basic aspects of the character is that he's been a spec ops type killing machine with intimate knowledge of biomilitary tech for a really long time.  Turning him into a "fish out of water" character that doesn't have first-hand experience with current tech just rubs me the wrong way, I guess.


Goddamitsomuch. Part of the appeal of Kovacs is that he's a sociopathic, criminal anti-hero who'll kill anybody who crosses his path. I've got to wonder if they're going to tone that down.
 
2018-01-13 01:17:47 PM  

fusillade762: They figure the audience needs a surrogate, I guess. Though you'd think with all the good sci-fi on TV these days they wouldn't feel the need to dumb things down. But here we are.


The audience does need a surrogate. The easiest way to do world-building in a televised format is to have a protagonist or deuteragonist coming into things utterly cold, so the audience learns about the setting at the same time as the characters. It moves the story forward and establishes the stakes simultaneously, which is way more valuable in the faster-moving world of live-action.

In prose, conversely, you can have the narrator stop dead for narrative asides. You can have expository flashbacks on a dime that cost you nothing to produce. You can even do the Snow Crash thing where the protagonist stops the action dead for thirty pages to talk about Sumerian myth with an AI librarian, although I wouldn't recommend it. Prose can stop-and-start like freeway driving, but good live action has to just go and never stop or you're denying the strengths of your own format.
 
2018-01-13 02:44:26 PM  

GoodHomer: Teufelaffe: Am I the only one that's annoyed that they're completely departing from the book by making Takeshi a "soldier killed in action 250 years previously"?  I mean, one of the basic aspects of the character is that he's been a spec ops type killing machine with intimate knowledge of biomilitary tech for a really long time.  Turning him into a "fish out of water" character that doesn't have first-hand experience with current tech just rubs me the wrong way, I guess.

Goddamitsomuch. Part of the appeal of Kovacs is that he's a sociopathic, criminal anti-hero who'll kill anybody who crosses his path. I've got to wonder if they're going to tone that down.


From what little tidbits we got, it could be to show the quelist references, they are putting kovacs in the unsettlement instead of neing born after; maybe envoy first, then quellist.

Interestingly, Reading imdb we get 2 episodes with quell and 6 episodes with jimmy desoto.

I have been waiting for this since i found out rkm sold the movie rights sometime around 2005. Mrs.4335 bought me the book in 2003. Good or bad, i am finally going to enjoy this ride. Thanks to netflix et al i havn't watched much 'live'. I am making the time to watch episode debuts

/my first green a long time
 
2018-01-13 03:24:20 PM  

Petey4335: GoodHomer: Teufelaffe: Am I the only one that's annoyed that they're completely departing from the book by making Takeshi a "soldier killed in action 250 years previously"?  I mean, one of the basic aspects of the character is that he's been a spec ops type killing machine with intimate knowledge of biomilitary tech for a really long time.  Turning him into a "fish out of water" character that doesn't have first-hand experience with current tech just rubs me the wrong way, I guess.

Goddamitsomuch. Part of the appeal of Kovacs is that he's a sociopathic, criminal anti-hero who'll kill anybody who crosses his path. I've got to wonder if they're going to tone that down.

From what little tidbits we got, it could be to show the quelist references, they are putting kovacs in the unsettlement instead of neing born after; maybe envoy first, then quellist.

Interestingly, Reading imdb we get 2 episodes with quell and 6 episodes with jimmy desoto.

I have been waiting for this since i found out rkm sold the movie rights sometime around 2005. Mrs.4335 bought me the book in 2003. Good or bad, i am finally going to enjoy this ride. Thanks to netflix et al i havn't watched much 'live'. I am making the time to watch episode debuts

/my first green a long time


I am really hoping they can pull off all three. Just for the reveal for Nadia in Woken Furies.

I would love to see Market Forces or Thirteen make it to the screen too. RKM has a lovely cynical turn of phrase, and Market Forces was such a brilliant piece of satire that it needs a wider audience.
 
2018-01-13 05:13:48 PM  
Petey4335: GoodHomer: Teufelaffe: Am I the only one that's annoyed that they're completely departing from the book by making Takeshi a "soldier killed in action 250 years previously"?  I mean, one of the basic aspects of the character is that he's been a spec ops type killing machine with intimate knowledge of biomilitary tech for a really long time.  Turning him into a "fish out of water" character that doesn't have first-hand experience with current tech just rubs me the wrong way, I guess.

Goddamitsomuch. Part of the appeal of Kovacs is that he's a sociopathic, criminal anti-hero who'll kill anybody who crosses his path. I've got to wonder if they're going to tone that down.

From what little tidbits we got, it could be to show the quelist references, they are putting kovacs in the unsettlement instead of neing born after; maybe envoy first, then quellist.

Interestingly, Reading imdb we get 2 episodes with quell and 6 episodes with jimmy desoto.

I have been waiting for this since i found out rkm sold the movie rights sometime around 2005. Mrs.4335 bought me the book in 2003. Good or bad, i am finally going to enjoy this ride. Thanks to netflix et al i havn't watched much 'live'. I am making the time to watch episode debuts

/my first green a long time


I'd be interested to see how they treat Sharia, or even if they talk about it at all, given current tenderness in the media about the depiction of Islam. There's a strong anti-religion bent to the books (to his credit, Morgan largely characterizes both Christians and Muslims as fanatics), but I imagine Sharia will be neutered into someplace far more generic.

hubiestubert:I am really hoping they can pull off all three. Just for the reveal for Nadia in Woken Furies.

I would love to see Market Forces or Thirteen make it to the screen too. RKM has a lovely cynical turn of phrase, and Market Forces was such a brilliant piece of satire that it needs a wider audience.


I want to see Broken Angels get a season because there's so much to improve on from the books (while the premise of Broken Angels was fantastic, it was a disappointment in comparison to Altered Carbon and Woken Furies).
 
2018-01-13 07:09:29 PM  

GoodHomer: Petey4335: GoodHomer: Teufelaffe: Am I the only one that's annoyed that they're completely departing from the book by making Takeshi a "soldier killed in action 250 years previously"?  I mean, one of the basic aspects of the character is that he's been a spec ops type killing machine with intimate knowledge of biomilitary tech for a really long time.  Turning him into a "fish out of water" character that doesn't have first-hand experience with current tech just rubs me the wrong way, I guess.

Goddamitsomuch. Part of the appeal of Kovacs is that he's a sociopathic, criminal anti-hero who'll kill anybody who crosses his path. I've got to wonder if they're going to tone that down.

From what little tidbits we got, it could be to show the quelist references, they are putting kovacs in the unsettlement instead of neing born after; maybe envoy first, then quellist.

Interestingly, Reading imdb we get 2 episodes with quell and 6 episodes with jimmy desoto.

I have been waiting for this since i found out rkm sold the movie rights sometime around 2005. Mrs.4335 bought me the book in 2003. Good or bad, i am finally going to enjoy this ride. Thanks to netflix et al i havn't watched much 'live'. I am making the time to watch episode debuts

/my first green a long time

I'd be interested to see how they treat Sharia, or even if they talk about it at all, given current tenderness in the media about the depiction of Islam. There's a strong anti-religion bent to the books (to his credit, Morgan largely characterizes both Christians and Muslims as fanatics), but I imagine Sharia will be neutered into someplace far more generic.

hubiestubert:I am really hoping they can pull off all three. Just for the reveal for Nadia in Woken Furies.

I would love to see Market Forces or Thirteen make it to the screen too. RKM has a lovely cynical turn of phrase, and Market Forces was such a brilliant piece of satire that it needs a wider audience.

I want to see Broken Angels get a season because there's so much to improve on from the books (while the premise of Broken Angels was fantastic, it was a disappointment in comparison to Altered Carbon and Woken Furies).


It's at that point I think that Morgan realized he had a trilogy, and so much of Broken Angels was a set up for the tone and themes for Woken Furies. I liked the pace of BA a lot, with a more introspective look at the ramifications of so many sleeves. But compared to the pacing of AC and WF it was sort of a respite in a lot of ways. For me, it  really cemented the setting, and the malaise that Kovacs was trying to set off.
 
2018-01-13 08:40:13 PM  

hubiestubert: GoodHomer: Petey4335: GoodHomer: Teufelaffe:
I'd be interested to see how they treat Sharia, or even if they talk about it at all, given current tenderness in the media about the depiction of Islam. There's a strong anti-religion bent to the books (to his credit, Morgan largely characterizes both Christians and Muslims as fanatics), but I imagine Sharia will be neutered into someplace far more generic.


Sigh, I had so much more I wanted to say about an hour ago, and then I helped my daughter with her math, and I lost it.   But anyway, it isn't just organized religion Morgan criticizes, it is any organized group the subscribes to dogma, or non critical thinking in general.  BA used the Xenoarchaeology guild as the organized 'religion'.

I looked at imdb again, and Carnage is in two episodes. We may just get the Hand of God sleeve. On that note, we get a glimpse of Kadmin at the end of the trailer.  I so want to see the Hendrix taking care of Kadmin, but the action cuts are either hiding it or it may be taken out.  How the Hendrix AI rationalized and justified its actions to skirt its own programming or legalities was an interesting sub theme.

On a side note Hubie, IIIRC, you are Hafu? As human beings tend to relate (for lack of better word) to characters that are like themselves, does that invest you more into Takashi than other characters? I realize the question is out of left field, but my kids and I do have some longer discussions with these kind  of things when we can.  They live 'between' worlds being black with white parents.  Because, dang it, man, you get excited over RKM.
 
2018-01-13 09:15:23 PM  

Petey4335: hubiestubert: GoodHomer: Petey4335: GoodHomer: Teufelaffe:
I'd be interested to see how they treat Sharia, or even if they talk about it at all, given current tenderness in the media about the depiction of Islam. There's a strong anti-religion bent to the books (to his credit, Morgan largely characterizes both Christians and Muslims as fanatics), but I imagine Sharia will be neutered into someplace far more generic.

Sigh, I had so much more I wanted to say about an hour ago, and then I helped my daughter with her math, and I lost it.   But anyway, it isn't just organized religion Morgan criticizes, it is any organized group the subscribes to dogma, or non critical thinking in general.  BA used the Xenoarchaeology guild as the organized 'religion'.

I looked at imdb again, and Carnage is in two episodes. We may just get the Hand of God sleeve. On that note, we get a glimpse of Kadmin at the end of the trailer.  I so want to see the Hendrix taking care of Kadmin, but the action cuts are either hiding it or it may be taken out.  How the Hendrix AI rationalized and justified its actions to skirt its own programming or legalities was an interesting sub theme.

On a side note Hubie, IIIRC, you are Hafu? As human beings tend to relate (for lack of better word) to characters that are like themselves, does that invest you more into Takashi than other characters? I realize the question is out of left field, but my kids and I do have some longer discussions with these kind  of things when we can.  They live 'between' worlds being black with white parents.  Because, dang it, man, you get excited over RKM.


I responded more to the hard boiled SF angle, but I'm not going to lie that Niven and Morgan having mixed racial characters doesn't resonate. Morgan really does hard boiled well. His fantasy series channels the Elric I grew up on too, so he is one of those authors that hits on several notes.

I am likewise a HUGE fan of Allen Steele, who was a local for me in Noho for years, but more so because he does working class science fiction. And does it well, and it's nice to see that perspective.
 
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