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2018-01-12 08:51:57 PM  
I feel the same way about hipster "vegans" who apparently only eat veeg-tables.  I can almost forgive those who only eat veejtables.  But man, hearing the long e and hard g makes me get all "back in my day,  a Straight Edger would take out your teeth for pronouncing it that way. "
 
2018-01-12 08:52:02 PM  
Even vegetarians despise vegans.  No joke.
 
2018-01-12 08:54:01 PM  
There is one tiny nugget of truth to this.

A lot of vegetarian food is pretty good (I'm looking at you cheesy lasagna and cheese pizza).  In an office setting, those ordering the food normally don't really consider vegetarians, and just get something like cheesy lasagna to appease them.  What ends up happening is that all of the non-vegetarians can't pass up tasty lasagna and eat it all up as a side to their meat entree leaving nothing left for the vegetarians.  I've seen this happen many times at multiple companies.  It isn't malicious, but people just don't seem to trigger on the fact that vegetarian is good.

At my current company we have started ordering a lot of Indian and several of the "I must have a piece of meat with every meal" jackasses don't even know the meat is missing.
 
2018-01-12 08:56:24 PM  
Is it cultural appropriation if I'm Irish but enjoy Chinese, Italian and Mexican food?  If so, I don't give af.

/why are vegans so hostile and irrational?
 
2018-01-12 08:58:38 PM  

Yoda's Pen Is: zang: ecmoRandomNumbers: I don't eat tofu on general principal because it's not meat.

Shoot, that's exactly why I avoid pasta.

Then how do you make cheeseburger macaroni?


Are you trying to tell me cheeseburger macaroni would be inedible if you swapped out minced tofu for the macaroni?  On a related topic, do you cry when your macaronis are the wrong shape?
 
2018-01-12 09:04:35 PM  
You'll get my hot and sour soup only after you pry my soup spoon out of my cold dead hand.
 
2018-01-12 09:05:53 PM  

RogermcAllen: At my current company we have started ordering a lot of Indian and several of the "I must have a piece of meat with every meal" jackasses don't even know the meat is missing.


So the must have a piece of meat with every meal people are jackasses but the I won't eat meat evar people aren't?
 
2018-01-12 09:11:53 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I don't eat tofu on general principal because it's not meat.


That's a pretty silly way to think about it. A lot of tofu dishes have meat or fish in them. Obnoxious American vegetarians just ruined the idea of tofu for everyone, didn't they?
 
2018-01-12 09:13:45 PM  

BullBearMS: You'll get my hot and sour soup only after you pry my soup spoon out of my cold dead hand.


Agreed. Little hole in the wall Chinese place in town has the best hot and sour full of tofu, I get 2 bowls every time.
 
2018-01-12 09:22:44 PM  

Likwit: ecmoRandomNumbers: I don't eat tofu on general principal because it's not meat.

That's a pretty silly way to think about it. A lot of tofu dishes have meat or fish in them. Obnoxious American vegetarians just ruined the idea of tofu for everyone, didn't they?


Not really.

Tofurkey, tofu burgers, boiled tofu, and in general -- people who tried to make tofu look like meat ruined tofu for me.

You can't even sneak it past me in good Chinese food. I know how tofu feels. It feels like sadness.
 
2018-01-12 09:23:55 PM  
Wait!   If you eat tofu, you cannot eat meatf? Well then someone please send the memo 📝 to about 2 billion Asians asap!
 
2018-01-12 09:24:10 PM  

idrow: /why are vegans so hostile and irrational?


Makes sense to me.  If I wasn't allowed to eat anything with meat or dairy, I'd be pissed off, too.
 
2018-01-12 09:24:37 PM  
I'm torn.  On one hand, this is from the Daily Mail, so I'm not sure soy exists now.  On the other hand, militant vegans have said and done stupider things than this, so it's definitely believable.
 
2018-01-12 09:27:55 PM  
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2018-01-12 09:29:17 PM  

NevynFox: BullBearMS: You'll get my hot and sour soup only after you pry my soup spoon out of my cold dead hand.

Agreed. Little hole in the wall Chinese place in town has the best hot and sour full of tofu, I get 2 bowls every time.


Same here. Little hole in the wall with killer hot and sour soup and Szechwan food that will leave your forehead sweating.
 
2018-01-12 09:29:23 PM  
You will have to pry my miss soup from my cold, dead hands you malnourished heathen and when you attempt it I will break your bones with chopsticks you iron deficient weakling. Look upon the meat eaters around you and know despair. There is a reason Soylent is green. It is made from your Ilk. You believe that your time coming, but in truth it is already gone. We already process grazers for food. We just haven't gotten around to you yet.
 
2018-01-12 09:30:04 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: ecmoRandomNumbers: I mean, I get being a vegetarian or vegan for ethical reasons.

And they're good reasons. I don't begrudge you that.

But my ancestors didn't climb up the food chain to eat carrots. I have canine teeth for some reason. But I use my molars to grind carrots and potatoes.

There's the teeth that suggest that we're omnivores, but there's also a lengthy digestive tract that suggests it as well.  More surface area to absorb broken down nutrients, which is important if you're eating a plant based diet.  But meat-eating has a long and important place in the history of homo sapiens.  It's possible that language developed out of need to communicate during hunting, for example.

Your mother hates you because you tore her a new one.

So does mine.

Our big brains are the reason we have to eat protein that we can only get as carnivores. We didn't have Safeway when we dropped out of the trees and onto the African savannah.


That we could only get as carnivores.  Emphasis on the past tense.  Sure, it's more fun to get it from meat, but we no longer have to.

And the whole "we evolved to do it" argument had some serious holes.  First to my mind being the question of why that only matters for food and not plumbing.
 
2018-01-12 09:30:14 PM  
Miso goddammit. Blew the entire rant.
 
2018-01-12 09:33:42 PM  

idrow: Is it cultural appropriation if I'm Irish but enjoy Chinese, Italian and Mexican food?  If so, I don't give af.

/why are vegans so hostile and irrational?


Some because they're doing it for attention, of course.  Some because they are tired of having to fight to get food they can eat and needed to tell at someone.  And some because the rest of us occasionally interpret "will there be a vegan option?" as a hostile question.
 
2018-01-12 09:34:02 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: ecmoRandomNumbers: Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: ecmoRandomNumbers: I mean, I get being a vegetarian or vegan for ethical reasons.

And they're good reasons. I don't begrudge you that.

But my ancestors didn't climb up the food chain to eat carrots. I have canine teeth for some reason. But I use my molars to grind carrots and potatoes.

There's the teeth that suggest that we're omnivores, but there's also a lengthy digestive tract that suggests it as well.  More surface area to absorb broken down nutrients, which is important if you're eating a plant based diet.  But meat-eating has a long and important place in the history of homo sapiens.  It's possible that language developed out of need to communicate during hunting, for example.

Your mother hates you because you tore her a new one.

So does mine.

Our big brains are the reason we have to eat protein that we can only get as carnivores. We didn't have Safeway when we dropped out of the trees and onto the African savannah.

That we could only get as carnivores.  Emphasis on the past tense.  Sure, it's more fun to get it from meat, but we no longer have to.

And the whole "we evolved to do it" argument had some serious holes.  First to my mind being the question of why that only matters for food and not plumbing.


There are no plant sources for B12, so vegans have to take supplements or have B12 added to their food to remain healthy.  If you have to take supplements or buy food with additives in order to get all the necessary nutrients, your diet is pretty much by definition not healthy.
 
2018-01-12 09:38:25 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: There are no plant sources for B12, so vegans have to take supplements or have B12 added to their food to remain healthy.  If you have to take supplements or buy food with additives in order to get all the necessary nutrients, your diet is pretty much by definition not healthy.


The supplements are from bacterial sources, so still vegan. And what's wrong with a multivitamin? Are you seriously telling me that a multivitamin isn't a common part of modern diets?
 
2018-01-12 09:39:41 PM  
Please explain supplements from bacteria. Not disbelief, just never heard of it.
 
2018-01-12 09:40:24 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: RogermcAllen: At my current company we have started ordering a lot of Indian and several of the "I must have a piece of meat with every meal" jackasses don't even know the meat is missing.

So the must have a piece of meat with every meal people are jackasses but the I won't eat meat evar people aren't?


Yes.  Specifically, these people are jackasses because they demand there be meat in every meal on principle alone, and don't even notice that it is missing when they get a satisfying vegetarian meal.  If one of them collapsed into some sort of meat deficient coma or suffered an anaphylactic episode when their immune system didn't have a piece of animal protein to gnaw on I would feel really bad, but it hasn't happened yet.
 
2018-01-12 09:41:08 PM  
The rant was more for humor value. Protein is best harvested from eggs, soy, and insects iirc.
 
2018-01-12 09:44:06 PM  

baron von doodle: Please explain supplements from bacteria. Not disbelief, just never heard of it.


It's pretty common these days. It's also how we make insulin, for example. Actually, the insulin is really interesting from a history of medicine perspective, but never mind.

You grow a bunch of bacteria that produce what you want (and it's pretty easy to make them selectively produce certain things these days) then you refine it out.

I don't know much about the medium used in the large scale versions, but I like to imagine huge stinking vats.
 
2018-01-12 09:46:16 PM  
I knew the insulin part. Just didn't associate it with supplements.... Which insulin kinda is.
 
2018-01-12 09:47:17 PM  

RogermcAllen: Yes.  Specifically, these people are jackasses because they demand there be meat in every meal on principle alone, and don't even notice that it is missing when they get a satisfying vegetarian meal.


So if I snuck some meat into a vegetarian meal and they didn't notice it would then it would make them jackasses if they demanded vegetarian meals going forward?
 
2018-01-12 09:47:47 PM  
Ok, bacteria are live organisms that you needlessly kill for your supplements, so... Nm ;)
 
2018-01-12 09:47:56 PM  

baron von doodle: Please explain supplements from bacteria. Not disbelief, just never heard of it.


Bacteria can be thought of as little factories.  Find one that is good at making B12 (or insert a gene for making B12) into the bacteria, grow up the little buggies, and then harvest the B12.  A lot of our common food ingredients are made by bacteria and yeast.  For example, most people think we get citric acid and vitamin C by squeezing oranges.  In reality, we ferment it in bacteria because a 10,000L tank of bacteria can be placed anywhere and is a hell of a lot cheaper than a grove of oranges.
 
2018-01-12 09:50:10 PM  

baron von doodle: I knew the insulin part. Just didn't associate it with supplements.... Which insulin kinda is.


Yeah, I was surprised when I learned about it being used for more than just insulin. It seems that the easy way to make complicated biological molecules is apparently to put bacteria and yeast to work. It makes sense though. I mean, you probably want something that's not solid. You want to be able to build up a high concentration of your desired product. You want whatever's producing it to be resilient.

I just hadn't ever bothered to think about it before someone told me.
 
2018-01-12 09:50:17 PM  
Crazy vegan lady appropriated first by pretending to eat turkey. No more tofurky for her.
 
2018-01-12 09:51:59 PM  

RogermcAllen: baron von doodle: Please explain supplements from bacteria. Not disbelief, just never heard of it.

Bacteria can be thought of as little factories.  Find one that is good at making B12 (or insert a gene for making B12) into the bacteria, grow up the little buggies, and then harvest the B12.  A lot of our common food ingredients are made by bacteria and yeast.  For example, most people think we get citric acid and vitamin C by squeezing oranges.  In reality, we ferment it in bacteria because a 10,000L tank of bacteria can be placed anywhere and is a hell of a lot cheaper than a grove of oranges.


Yeah, it's all yeast, algae, and bacteria vats post-apocalypse. Avid sci-fi fan. I just only associated the vats with basic blocks. Protein, carbs, etc. Thanks.
 
2018-01-12 09:54:28 PM  

RedVentrue: Crazy vegan lady appropriated first by pretending to eat turkey. No more tofurky for her.


That's the one thing that still gets me on a philosophical level. If you are against eating meat, why do you keep trying to replicate it?
 
2018-01-12 09:56:31 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: RogermcAllen: Yes.  Specifically, these people are jackasses because they demand there be meat in every meal on principle alone, and don't even notice that it is missing when they get a satisfying vegetarian meal.

So if I snuck some meat into a vegetarian meal and they didn't notice it would then it would make them jackasses if they demanded vegetarian meals going forward?


If you can't see why tricking someone into putting something into their body against their wishes is wrong, I really can't help you.
 
2018-01-12 09:59:01 PM  

RogermcAllen: DrewCurtisJr: RogermcAllen: Yes.  Specifically, these people are jackasses because they demand there be meat in every meal on principle alone, and don't even notice that it is missing when they get a satisfying vegetarian meal.

So if I snuck some meat into a vegetarian meal and they didn't notice it would then it would make them jackasses if they demanded vegetarian meals going forward?

If you can't see why tricking someone into putting something into their body against their wishes is wrong, I really can't help you.


That's not as bad as rohypnol, but in the same ethical area
 
2018-01-12 09:59:38 PM  
Also, thx to I might be crazy. Information is always welcome.
 
2018-01-12 10:01:10 PM  

baron von doodle: RedVentrue: Crazy vegan lady appropriated first by pretending to eat turkey. No more tofurky for her.

That's the one thing that still gets me on a philosophical level. If you are against eating meat, why do you keep trying to replicate it?


Why does that actually bother people? I mean, the answer is obvious. Almost nobody is raised vegan and few are raised vegetarian in western cultures. Food is a big part of culture and life and so you have a hankering for the food you were raised on.

I still want my mother's macaroni and cheese casserole. I make one that tastes better and has a better consistency (based on her recipe) but I still want hers instead.

I know how to make delicious fresh bread and can afford to buy fancy cheese and meat as long as I don't do it every week. But sometimes I really want a Wonder Bread, american cheese, and baloney sandwich. (With Cool Whip - yes, I will fight you on this)
 
2018-01-12 10:03:46 PM  

RogermcAllen: DrewCurtisJr: RogermcAllen: Yes.  Specifically, these people are jackasses because they demand there be meat in every meal on principle alone, and don't even notice that it is missing when they get a satisfying vegetarian meal.

So if I snuck some meat into a vegetarian meal and they didn't notice it would then it would make them jackasses if they demanded vegetarian meals going forward?

If you can't see why tricking someone into putting something into their body against their wishes is wrong, I really can't help you.


If you can't see why calling people jackasses because they want to eat meat but not other people because they refuse, even though they wouldn't even notice, then I can't help you.

You think their demands are unreasonable because they didn't notice, and I think your demands are unreasonable because you didn't notice.
 
2018-01-12 10:04:13 PM  
Oddly, (this is stupid, I know) I think the carnivores feel that the veg/ vegans are appropriating their food culture. We come full circle :D
 
2018-01-12 10:04:32 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: (With Cool Whip - yes, I will fight you on this)


Screen name checks out
 
2018-01-12 10:06:19 PM  
Err, that was a reply to I might be crazy
 
2018-01-12 10:07:31 PM  
So I went ahead and used Wikipedia. B12 only ever comes from bacteria or archaea. Animals don't produce it, but do store it in muscle, which is why we get it from meat. Other good sources from animals include the liver and milk or eggs to a lesser extent. And poop. Apparently poop is a high in B12.
 
2018-01-12 10:07:41 PM  

baron von doodle: RogermcAllen: DrewCurtisJr: RogermcAllen: Yes.  Specifically, these people are jackasses because they demand there be meat in every meal on principle alone, and don't even notice that it is missing when they get a satisfying vegetarian meal.

So if I snuck some meat into a vegetarian meal and they didn't notice it would then it would make them jackasses if they demanded vegetarian meals going forward?

If you can't see why tricking someone into putting something into their body against their wishes is wrong, I really can't help you.

That's not as bad as rohypnol, but in the same ethical area.


No it isn't
 
2018-01-12 10:08:12 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I don't eat tofu on general principal because it's not meat.


It's not meat. That's the point.

You put tofu AND meat into your food, and it's good.
 
2018-01-12 10:08:17 PM  

rebelyell2006: davidphogan: rebelyell2006: ecmoRandomNumbers: I don't eat tofu on general principal because it's not meat.

I don't eat tofu because I always pee out of my ass afterwards.

You should see a doctor.

I already know I have an allergy to soy.


In that case I now get your joke. Sorry to hear about that.
 
2018-01-12 10:10:00 PM  

rcain: Vegans have no culture, they aren't even human FFS


Culturing things enslaves microbes!
 
2018-01-12 10:10:27 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: baron von doodle: RogermcAllen: DrewCurtisJr: RogermcAllen: Yes.  Specifically, these people are jackasses because they demand there be meat in every meal on principle alone, and don't even notice that it is missing when they get a satisfying vegetarian meal.

So if I snuck some meat into a vegetarian meal and they didn't notice it would then it would make them jackasses if they demanded vegetarian meals going forward?

If you can't see why tricking someone into putting something into their body against their wishes is wrong, I really can't help you.

That's not as bad as rohypnol, but in the same ethical area.

No it isn't


Introducing a foreign agent against someone's wishes, yes it is. Same ethical area as sneaking pork to halal or devout Jewish eaters.
 
2018-01-12 10:12:31 PM  
Fine, I won't culturally appropriate you by eating tofu.  But that means you have to stop culturally appropriating me by shaping your god-awful bean curds into things meant to resemble real meat.
 
2018-01-12 10:13:05 PM  
Sorry vegans, but the animals we carnivores eat were eating those plants long before you came along.

Stop eating the food our food eats and go find your own.
 
2018-01-12 10:15:14 PM  
I only said devout Jewish eaters because most, not all of the Jewish people I know around my age eat pork.
 
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