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2018-01-12 10:35:03 AM  
Just add a week off for everybody after week 17. Or maybe just play every other week. Spring Break Superbowl would be fun.
 
2018-01-12 11:00:40 AM  
DRTFA but let me guess "depends on the starter"?
 
2018-01-12 11:01:29 AM  
Yes.
 
2018-01-12 11:06:04 AM  
If you're going to the postseason and you have no seed spot to lose or gain, absolutely rest your starters. They aren't going to get rusty over the course of 1-2 weeks; that's what practice is for.

Potential week 17 injury aside, you're exposing their routes and tendencies right before playing for it all. Give them the damn rest, they sure as hell earned it.
 
2018-01-12 11:09:06 AM  
I would think the rule of thumb would be that if you're locked into one of the top two seeds you don't rest your starters since two weeks off is going to do a number on your timing and rhythm. Likewise, if you're locked into one of the 3-6 spots you give some guys the game off to rest for the Wild Card game. But the obvious answer is that every team and every player is different.
 
2018-01-12 11:09:37 AM  
If you have nothing or little to gain/lose in week 17 you sit key players and guys who are banged up.
 
2018-01-12 11:11:00 AM  
If the answer is yes, then the season is too long.
 
2018-01-12 11:13:20 AM  

tommyl66: I would think the rule of thumb would be that if you're locked into one of the top two seeds you don't rest your starters since two weeks off is going to do a number on your timing and rhythm.


If it affects your players that much then you need a better coach.  After more than five months of practices and games your team should have their timing and rhythm down enough to dial back the pressure for a week or two and be prepared for a playoff game.
 
2018-01-12 11:16:04 AM  
No, but maybe a week 14 rest would have been nice.

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2018-01-12 11:22:07 AM  
If you have a bye week then it's generally good to at least start your guys for a quarter before sitting them so they're mentally engaged that week and not disengaged for 2 weeks before their next practice. Sometimes even if your seed is locked you might be dissatisfied with the play of your team and feel like they need to go out and prove themselves (this can backfire sometimes as well if they play poorly). Other times if you don't have a bye but are locked into the playoffs teams will rest starters so they have a mini-bye week of their own. Obviously players with nagging injuries should take time off.
 
2018-01-12 11:37:57 AM  
Depends on if they win or lose in he playoffs as near as I can tell. If they win then whatever they did was right. If they lose then it was wrong
 
2018-01-12 11:40:26 AM  
If I had my druthers, I'd do 2 things:

One, add in a bye week for every team. In addition to the one they already have. It'll make scheduling much easier all the way around, and it'll help give players some rest & rehab time.

Two, add in a week off between the end of the regular season and the first playoff game. More rest & rehab, plus the playoffs are a whole different animal. If you're going to be playing against other playoff caliber teams, you'd love to have an extra week to break down film, study the opponent, make up a new game plan, etc
 
2018-01-12 11:40:49 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: tommyl66: I would think the rule of thumb would be that if you're locked into one of the top two seeds you don't rest your starters since two weeks off is going to do a number on your timing and rhythm.

If it affects your players that much then you need a better coach.  After more than five months of practices and games your team should have their timing and rhythm down enough to dial back the pressure for a week or two and be prepared for a playoff game.


But there is no better coach than the one we Pats fans have got, and his track record shows that he prefers not to completely rest starters before a playoff bye week (unless they're dealing with an injury or something like that). He might be quicker with the substitutions to get the heavy workload guys out of the game, but even then he'll only do it in specific circumstances.
 
2018-01-12 11:42:57 AM  

mikaloyd: Depends on if they win or lose in he playoffs as near as I can tell. If they win then whatever they did was right. If they lose then it was wrong


I'm not so sure this isn't Dan Dierdorf's Fark account.
 
2018-01-12 11:45:48 AM  
As a Rams fan I can not fault them for resting Gurley and Goff (which that article was particularly focused on), they just laid an egg the next week. Still no clue why they took the best back in the league and only handed the ball to him 14 times, that's just stupid
 
2018-01-12 11:47:04 AM  
As always, the answer is depends.
 
2018-01-12 11:52:59 AM  

smd31: As always, the answer is depends.


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2018-01-12 11:59:34 AM  

martissimo: As a Rams fan I can not fault them for resting Gurley and Goff (which that article was particularly focused on), they just laid an egg the next week. Still no clue why they took the best back in the league and only handed the ball to him 14 times, that's just stupid


A major candidate for league MVP no less. Why the hell would you give him the week 17 rest only to use him for 14 carries in the most important game yet?? Everyone was praising Goff for his sophomore turnaround, but under scrutiny, he only performed really well against teams with bad defenses. The only teams the Rams totally blew out this season were the Cardinals, Giants, Seahawks and Texans (2 teams whose defenses were shredded by injury at that point).
 
2018-01-12 12:05:39 PM  

tommyl66: AdmirableSnackbar: tommyl66: I would think the rule of thumb would be that if you're locked into one of the top two seeds you don't rest your starters since two weeks off is going to do a number on your timing and rhythm.

If it affects your players that much then you need a better coach.  After more than five months of practices and games your team should have their timing and rhythm down enough to dial back the pressure for a week or two and be prepared for a playoff game.

But there is no better coach than the one we Pats fans have got, and his track record shows that he prefers not to completely rest starters before a playoff bye week (unless they're dealing with an injury or something like that). He might be quicker with the substitutions to get the heavy workload guys out of the game, but even then he'll only do it in specific circumstances.


He is the best football coach of all time but that doesn't mean his way is the only way to do things or that he doesn't make mistakes.  Plus the way his teams are run he doesn't have many superstars that make the team successful.  It's not as if losing Danny Amendola or to injury is going to make a big difference come playoff time.
 
2018-01-12 12:05:58 PM  

SkylineRecords: martissimo: As a Rams fan I can not fault them for resting Gurley and Goff (which that article was particularly focused on), they just laid an egg the next week. Still no clue why they took the best back in the league and only handed the ball to him 14 times, that's just stupid

A major candidate for league MVP no less. Why the hell would you give him the week 17 rest only to use him for 14 carries in the most important game yet?? Everyone was praising Goff for his sophomore turnaround, but under scrutiny, he only performed really well against teams with bad defenses. The only teams the Rams totally blew out this season were the Cardinals, Giants, Seahawks and Texans (2 teams whose defenses were shredded by injury at that point).


Yeah, I spent a good portion of that game screaming at my TV saying "just hand it to farking Gurley"
 
2018-01-12 12:15:38 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: tommyl66: AdmirableSnackbar: tommyl66: I would think the rule of thumb would be that if you're locked into one of the top two seeds you don't rest your starters since two weeks off is going to do a number on your timing and rhythm.

If it affects your players that much then you need a better coach.  After more than five months of practices and games your team should have their timing and rhythm down enough to dial back the pressure for a week or two and be prepared for a playoff game.

But there is no better coach than the one we Pats fans have got, and his track record shows that he prefers not to completely rest starters before a playoff bye week (unless they're dealing with an injury or something like that). He might be quicker with the substitutions to get the heavy workload guys out of the game, but even then he'll only do it in specific circumstances.

He is the best football coach of all time but that doesn't mean his way is the only way to do things or that he doesn't make mistakes.  Plus the way his teams are run he doesn't have many superstars that make the team successful.  It's not as if losing Danny Amendola or to injury is going to make a big difference come playoff time.


Aside from Brady, and to a lesser extent Gronk, that is true. Although it's funny you use Amendola as an example as playoff time is sort of the only time that he is truly valuable to this team. But I get what you're saying.
 
2018-01-12 12:31:50 PM  
Why does the NFL even need a Week 17, when everybody has already lost interest after about
Week 2?
 
2018-01-12 12:40:09 PM  
Only the years that it worked, duh.
 
2018-01-12 12:59:52 PM  

Li'l Robbie: Why does the NFL even need a Week 17, when everybody has already lost interest after about
Week 2?


You're thinking of baseball, where everyone has lost interest by early June and there's still 2563576554 games left
 
2018-01-12 01:19:50 PM  

tommyl66: smd31: As always, the answer is depends.

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Boxers or briefs?


Depends.
 
2018-01-12 01:21:01 PM  

sirrerun: No, but maybe a week 14 rest would have been nice.

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/OK, I am ugly crying
//Eagles fan
///We were THIS close
 
2018-01-12 01:28:20 PM  
Never worked for the Colts and they did it a lot during the Manning Era. Which is where I put the blame for all of their playoff exits.
 
2018-01-12 02:23:57 PM  

BowtoMogul: Never worked for the Colts and they did it a lot during the Manning Era. Which is where I put the blame for all of their playoff exits.


2009 Colts tanked the final two games even though they had a perfect season going.  Still made it to the Super Bowl but lost to the Saints.

If they increase the playoffs to 16 teams, I would be in favor adding a bye week before the playoffs.  Of course that will never happen because $$$.
 
2018-01-12 03:17:54 PM  
JJRRutgers: If they increase the playoffs to 16 teams,

Why would they do this? It would be stupid
 
2018-01-12 04:23:54 PM  

BowtoMogul: Never worked for the Colts and they did it a lot during the Manning Era. Which is where I put the blame for all of their playoff exits.


I was going to post the same thing. The Colts would always wrap up a playoff spot or seeding with about a game or two left, and Peyton would rest. Then in the playoffs, they would get as far as the Conference game and lose.
 
2018-01-12 04:33:14 PM  
these are all the reasons you should rest starters if you are going into the playoffs.

Here are the biggest injuries in Week 17:
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LeSean McCoy, RB, Buffalo Bills: McCoy injured his ankle while being tackled after a three-yard run in the third quarter. He was helped to his feet by trainers before appearing unsteady, leading for the medical staff to call for a cart to take him to the locker room. He was declared questionable to return. McCoy was replaced in the backfield by Marcus Murphy, whom the Bills signed off their practice squad Tuesday. McCoy was later downgraded to out.
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Marquise Goodwin, WR, San Francisco 49ers: Attempting to haul in a Jimmy Garoppolo pass over the middle during the second quarter, Goodwin was hit high by Rams defensive back Blake Countess, who was flagged for unnecessary roughness on the play. Goodwin's arms shot up as he lay on the field, and he was subsequently attended to by 49ers medical staff. He was eventually able to stand up and get on the cart to be taken to the locker room.
He was declared out for the duration of the game and taken to a local hospital for precautionary reasons.
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Troy Hill, CB, Los Angeles Rams: Hill, one of few Rams starters who played on Sunday, finished the game in concussion protocol. Hill came out of the game early in the second quarter and did not return. He had been tasked with replacing an injured Kayvon Webster on the outside.
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Shawn Williams, S, Cincinnati Bengals: Williams exited the game late in the third quarter under his own power but was declared doubtful to return because of a back injury.
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Mike Wallace, WR, Baltimore Ravens: In the process of hauling in what was at the time a 19-yard catch that was later overturned on a challenge, Wallace was decked by Bengals safety Shawn Williams. He went to the medical tent to be evaluated for a concussion but was subsequently cleared.
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Kareem Hunt, RB, Kansas City Chiefs: Late in the second quarter, the Chiefs announced that Hunt had an ankle injury and was questionable to return.
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De'Anthony Thomas, WR, Kansas City Chiefs: In the process of fielding a punt against the Broncos, Thomas appeared to have his leg stuck awkwardly as he was being tackled. He remained down on the field where he was attended to by Chiefs medical staff, then carted back to the locker room with an air cast on his leg. He was quickly declared out for the remainder of the game.

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Taylor Gabriel, WR, Atlanta Falcons: Gabriel appeared to sustain an injury during a special teams play. He went back to the locker room with Falcons medical personnel and was declared questionable to return because of a hamstring injury.
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Andy Levitre, OG, Atlanta Falcons: Early in the first quarter, Levitre exited the game because of a triceps injury, and the team declared him questionable to return. Ben Garland replaced him at left guard.
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Michael Bennett, DE, Seattle Seahawks: Bennett came out of the game against the Cardinals early in the first quarter, clutching at his left hand or arm. However, after a few plays off, Bennett was back in the game.
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Julio Jones, WR, Atlanta Falcons: Jones was shaken up on the Falcons' first offensive series as he took a hard shot from Mike Adamswhile attempting to haul in a pass over the middle. After missing a few snaps, he made his return to the field.
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Robby Anderson, WR, New York Jets: Early in the fourth quarter, Anderson took a shot to the head from Patriots CB Stephon Gilmore. He was brought back to the locker room to be evaluated for a concussion.
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Theo Riddick, RB, Detroit Lions: Riddick was sidelined with a rib injury during the Lions' game against the Packers and initially was declared questionable to return. During the second half, he was downgraded to out.
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Will Fuller V, WR, Houston Texans: Fuller, who was expected to have an elevated role in Week 17 with DeAndre Hopkins out of the lineup, was ruled out of the game early in the first quarter after aggravating a knee injury.
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Jonathan Cooper, OG, Dallas Cowboys: Cooper remained down after a play late in the first half and was helped off the field and into the locker room to have his left knee examined. Joe Looney replaced him in the lineup.
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Marcus Maye, S, New York Jets: During a play on which he was penalized for pass interference against Brandin Cooks, Maye appeared to injure his foot or ankle and was brought back to the locker room for testing. He was declared questionable to return because of a right ankle injury. During the third quarter, the Jets downgraded Maye to out.
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Devante Mays, RB, Green Bay Packers: Mays suffered a shoulder injury during the first half against the Lions, and the Packers declared him questionable to return.
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Teez Tabor, CB, Detroit Lions: Tabor injured his arm during the first quarter and was brought directly to the locker room for further testing. The Lions declared him questionable to return because of the arm injury. Early in the second half, Tabor was downgraded to out.
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Geronimo Allison, WR, Green Bay Packers: Allison injured a finger on his right hand during the first quarter. After having it looked at on the sideline, he retreated to the locker room. The Packers declared him questionable to return.
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John Jerry, OG, New York Giants: The Giants announced during the first half that Jerry was out for the remainder of the game with a concussion.
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Don Carey, S, Detroit Lions: Carey went down in the first quarter with what appeared to be a right leg injury. He was attended to on the field and required assistance getting to the sideline before heading to the locker room. Carey was ruled out with a knee injury.
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Samaje Perine, RB, Washington Redskins: Perine left the Redskins' Week 16 game early because of an Achilles tendon injury, and it appears the injury flared up again early in Week 17. The running back left the game during the first quarter, and the club declared him questionable to return. Early in the second half, the Redskins downgraded him to out.
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2018-01-12 06:03:07 PM  
Correct answer: Rest every starter the week he would have gotten hurt.
 
2018-01-12 08:44:35 PM  
Rest players sparingly between weeks 12 and 16.
 
2018-01-12 10:35:29 PM  
As a Colts fan, if you have a chance to run the table, you do it. A couple of the Manning-led Colts teams could have run the table. Nothing will ever convince me that changing the team's routine didn't effect them. You have to go for it Patriots style.
 
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