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(CBS Baltimore)   Baltimore hospital CEO is profoundly sorry that you were offended by a woman wearing only a hospital gown being dumped curbside on a frigid night. Is also deeply apologetic and begs forgiveness for some bystander recording it on their cellphone   ( baltimore.cbslocal.com) divider line
    More: Followup, hospital, Baltimore hospital executive, Center Midtown Campus, Dr. Mohan Suntha, Associated Press, Tuesday night, extensive internal review, woman  
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2018-01-12 08:30:22 AM  
Good thing he gets a 6 figure salary.
 
2018-01-12 08:30:25 AM  
Socialized medicine is bad.
 
2018-01-12 08:33:52 AM  
The article states that she was treated medically, but the guy who filmed it said that she had blood on her face, which seems to be, oh I dunno... not "treated". Usually you clean the blood off. Of course, dumping patients in a hospital gown into the bitter cold is also something that you'd think isn't standard practice, either, but it does seem to be a dirty practice.

Disgusting.
 
2018-01-12 08:54:04 AM  
I bet she's not white.

* clicks link *

Winning?
 
2018-01-12 08:54:25 AM  
Hospital CEO: We do not believe that what occurred Tuesday night in any way defines who we are as an organization.

Then prove it. Fire everyone involved with making this decision and sue them for gross malfeasance, then go to the police and report this as attempted murder.
 
2018-01-12 08:57:39 AM  

Millennium: Hospital CEO: We do not believe that what occurred Tuesday night in any way defines who we are as an organization.

Then prove it. Fire everyone involved with making this decision and sue them for gross malfeasance, then go to the police and report this as attempted murder.


Exactly this
 
2018-01-12 08:58:57 AM  
I get that employees have pressure to keep costs down and that moving mentally ill or drug addicted patients out is a way to do this. What needs to happen is nurses and doctors have to lose their license for patient abandonment/ endangerment to remind everyone that keeping cost down is priority #2. The hospital should be fined 10x cost of treating the patient to help them rebalance their priorities.

How many people did this happen to that didn't get video taped?
 
2018-01-12 09:04:14 AM  
This is America.  Profits first, health care second.  If you can't afford it, you'll die quickly.

That's the entire health care system in a nutshell.
 
2018-01-12 09:04:28 AM  
If they were trying to keep costs down they should have given her to the hospital kitchen to make stew.  Lunch lady Doris knows what to do.
 
2018-01-12 09:05:31 AM  
Even Bikini Bottom isn't immune

The American Healthcare System
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2018-01-12 09:05:43 AM  

Cheron: I get that employees have pressure to keep costs down and that moving mentally ill or drug addicted patients out is a way to do this. What needs to happen is nurses and doctors have to lose their license for patient abandonment/ endangerment to remind everyone that keeping cost down is priority #2. The hospital should be fined 10x cost of treating the patient to help them rebalance their priorities.

How many people did this happen to that didn't get video taped?


I'm sure if we ask the CEO he'll tell us that this is the first, and only, time it has ever happened.
 
2018-01-12 09:05:43 AM  
The funny thing is they called her an ambulance to take her across the street to the hospital, then will hit her with a $500 bill for the ambulance. She could have walked across the street faster.
 
2018-01-12 09:05:53 AM  
so, person finds someone in a hospital gown on the corner and the first thing they do is record it?  Is there not something wrong with this?
 
2018-01-12 09:06:10 AM  
Well this at least makes me appreciate my hometown hospital more. It's known in the area for not having the best doctors, and a lot of people go to the hospital one town over instead. But when I was a cab driver years ago I'd frequently get calls to pick up homeless and otherwise destitute people being discharged.

The staff always paid for the cab, helped make sure the patient was comfortable and loaded safely and taken care of, and gave me strict orders to turn around and bring them right back if the location I was taking them too didn't seem safe. They even had me put them up in a hotel a couple times.
 
2018-01-12 09:08:57 AM  
She was asking for it.  Did you see how she was dressed?!?

/seriously though, the local hospital here routinely dumps the junkies and head-cases out on the street after a cursory 'examination', you can see them shuffling around the campus. With no where else to go or deal with them, the hospital is the only place they can think to seek assistance, and the staff simply aren't able to deal with them all, especially the repeat patients that keep coming in over and over. Shiat's farked up.
 
2018-01-12 09:09:20 AM  

soia: so, person finds someone in a hospital gown on the corner and the first thing they do is record it?  Is there not something wrong with this?


Pics or it didn't happen.

If I saw something criminal I'd record it to make sure it wasn't covered up so easily.
 
2018-01-12 09:09:42 AM  
$5 bucks says that she wasn't wearing underwear under that paper gown.
 
2018-01-12 09:09:58 AM  

Subtonic: She was asking for it.  Did you see how she was dressed?!?

/seriously though, the local hospital here routinely dumps the junkies and head-cases out on the street after a cursory 'examination', you can see them shuffling around the campus. With no where else to go or deal with them, the hospital is the only place they can think to seek assistance, and the staff simply aren't able to deal with them all, especially the repeat patients that keep coming in over and over. Shiat's farked up.


Why don't they just get jobs and insurance and then get the treatment they need to kick their habits and deal with their issues.

Oh... there's a sequencing problem there isn't there.
 
2018-01-12 09:10:44 AM  

soia: so, person finds someone in a hospital gown on the corner and the first thing they do is record it?  Is there not something wrong with this?


He stayed with her and called 911.
If he hadn't had recorded it nothing would have been done to change this practice.
He's a good person. Most people would have just kept on walking.
 
2018-01-12 09:11:09 AM  

soia: so, person finds someone in a hospital gown on the corner and the first thing they do is record it?  Is there not something wrong with this?


No, there isn't. In fact, it's the single most important piece of aid he rendered to the victim: proof of a crime.
 
2018-01-12 09:11:12 AM  

soia: so, person finds someone in a hospital gown on the corner and the first thing they do is record it?  Is there not something wrong with this?


It probably wouldn't be my reaction, but it might actually be better for the patient that he did.
 
2018-01-12 09:13:32 AM  

BalugaJoe: Good thing he gets a 6 figure salary.


only 6?  he slumming?
 
2018-01-12 09:13:43 AM  

Cheron: I get that employees have pressure to keep costs down and that moving mentally ill or drug addicted patients out is a way to do this. What needs to happen is nurses and doctors have to lose their license for patient abandonment/ endangerment to remind everyone that keeping cost down is priority #2. The hospital should be fined 10x cost of treating the patient to help them rebalance their priorities.

How many people did this happen to that didn't get video taped?


Unfortunately, if they do that, the hospital will pass those fines off to the insurance companies through their gross misconduct financially there, which will be passed on to the consumers via even more increased premiums for absolutely no benefit to the consumer, and then other insurance companies will see that they can get away with even more insurance fraud (only, the legal kind) and in the end, the only people who will learn any lessons are the patients and the consumers and that lesson is "You're screwed because you're not a corporation."
 
2018-01-12 09:14:53 AM  
Can we just socialize it all and be done with it?
 
2018-01-12 09:16:46 AM  

steklo: $5 bucks says that she wasn't wearing underwear under that paper gown.


She wasn't, and it had no back, and was it was a windy night.
You do the math.
All 4 idiots who escorted here out into the cold like that, including the supervisor, need to be fired.
Unfortunately the CEO will not tell us anything, as he says that is a private personnel matter.
Well let's see how you like being sued in court.
Court and court records by the way are a PUBLIC matter and PUBLIC record.
 
2018-01-12 09:17:08 AM  

soia: so, person finds someone in a hospital gown on the corner and the first thing they do is record it?  Is there not something wrong with this?


He witnessed the security guards wheeling the woman to the bus stop and actually confronted them, asking if they were just going to leave her there.  He called 911, he stayed with her, he made sure she was okay.  AND he recorded it.
 
2018-01-12 09:18:08 AM  

Cheron: doctors have to lose their license for patient abandonment/ endangerment


Outside of fraud, drug use, or sleeping with a patient, it is pretty difficult to lose a medical license.
 
2018-01-12 09:19:02 AM  

AVDev: Cheron: I get that employees have pressure to keep costs down and that moving mentally ill or drug addicted patients out is a way to do this. What needs to happen is nurses and doctors have to lose their license for patient abandonment/ endangerment to remind everyone that keeping cost down is priority #2. The hospital should be fined 10x cost of treating the patient to help them rebalance their priorities.

How many people did this happen to that didn't get video taped?

Unfortunately, if they do that, the hospital will pass those fines off to the insurance companies through their gross misconduct financially there, which will be passed on to the consumers via even more increased premiums for absolutely no benefit to the consumer, and then other insurance companies will see that they can get away with even more insurance fraud (only, the legal kind) and in the end, the only people who will learn any lessons are the patients and the consumers and that lesson is "You're screwed because you're not a corporation."


I don't know about with hospitals specifically, but with gross or willful acts insurers can refuse payout.  The liability insurance the engineering firm I work for carries specifically calls out gross or willful acts as being out of scope of the policy.
 
2018-01-12 09:19:29 AM  
Did the woman leave AMA? Or did they escort her out and locked the door behind her?
 
2018-01-12 09:21:37 AM  

Anastacya: The article states that she was treated medically, but the guy who filmed it said that she had blood on her face, which seems to be, oh I dunno... not "treated". Usually you clean the blood off. Of course, dumping patients in a hospital gown into the bitter cold is also something that you'd think isn't standard practice, either, but it does seem to be a dirty practice.

Disgusting.


Depends. The ER I worked at we often only cleaned the blood off to visualize the wound. Any other blood was usually the patients problem, or the units upstairs if they were getting admitted.
 
2018-01-12 09:21:40 AM  
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2018-01-12 09:23:11 AM  

Walker: steklo: $5 bucks says that she wasn't wearing underwear under that paper gown.

She wasn't, and it had no back, and was it was a windy night.
You do the math.
All 4 idiots who escorted here out into the cold like that, including the supervisor, need to be fired.
Unfortunately the CEO will not tell us anything, as he says that is a private personnel matter.
Well let's see how you like being sued in court.
Court and court records by the way are a PUBLIC matter and PUBLIC record.


This goes a lot deeper then the 4 idiots and supervisor. Who was the doctor that ordered her "well enough" to leave her room? Does he/she just go around the wing and sign release forms and then assumes, "well the nurses will sort it out how she leaves"...The nurses probably knew full well that this women didn't have family, and resources to pay the bill...And if she's standing at a bus stop in nothing but a paper gown where is she keeping money for the bus?
 
2018-01-12 09:23:37 AM  

Walker: steklo: $5 bucks says that she wasn't wearing underwear under that paper gown.

She wasn't, and it had no back, and was it was a windy night.
You do the math.
All 4 idiots who escorted here out into the cold like that, including the supervisor, need to be fired.
Unfortunately the CEO will not tell us anything, as he says that is a private personnel matter.
Well let's see how you like being sued in court.
Court and court records by the way are a PUBLIC matter and PUBLIC record.


Local hospital used to send patients out with cheap surgical scrubs if they didn't have clothing, or the medical personnel cut them off as part of treatment. However some homeless were using that as their effective wardrobe so the hospital admin started buying paper outfits that are now given to dischargees.
 
2018-01-12 09:24:32 AM  

Literally Addicted: soia: so, person finds someone in a hospital gown on the corner and the first thing they do is record it?  Is there not something wrong with this?

He witnessed the security guards wheeling the woman to the bus stop and actually confronted them, asking if they were just going to leave her there.  He called 911, he stayed with her, he made sure she was okay.  AND he recorded it.


No free puppy?

What a complete jerk.
 
2018-01-12 09:25:56 AM  

Walker: steklo: $5 bucks says that she wasn't wearing underwear under that paper gown.

She wasn't, and it had no back, and was it was a windy night.
You do the math.
All 4 idiots who escorted here out into the cold like that, including the supervisor, need to be fired.
Unfortunately the CEO will not tell us anything, as he says that is a private personnel matter.
Well let's see how you like being sued in court.
Court and court records by the way are a PUBLIC matter and PUBLIC record.

Unless they're sealed.

And you damned well know the reason they do that.
 
2018-01-12 09:27:28 AM  

soupafi: Did the woman leave AMA? Or did they escort her out and locked the door behind her?


Yeah, I'm going to hold back here. There's almost always more to the story than the initial moment of outrage. You'd think we'd have learned that by now.
 
2018-01-12 09:28:07 AM  

Cheron: I get that employees have pressure to keep costs down and that moving mentally ill or drug addicted patients out is a way to do this. What needs to happen is nurses and doctors have to lose their license for patient abandonment/ endangerment to remind everyone that keeping cost down is priority #2. The hospital should be fined 10x cost of treating the patient to help them rebalance their priorities.


Good luck with that. It's the University of Maryland Medical Center - so while it's a not-for-profit and not entirely state-funded, it still has a close relationship with state government (page 158 of the PDF) which means ain't nobody getting fined shiat if it means taxpayers would be on the hook.

This is why the politicos are keeping their outrage to a mumble. The fines would come out of their slush funds.
 
2018-01-12 09:29:17 AM  
And what the fark happened to her clothes/shoes?
Did she enter the hospital naked?
 
2018-01-12 09:29:35 AM  
If you hang on to them for humanitarian reasons, you can't charge medicare/medicaid for that.

If you discharge them and then push them out into the snow and traffic naked and groggy, chances are much better you'll get a profitable new admission real soon!
 
2018-01-12 09:31:21 AM  

Bowen: soupafi: Did the woman leave AMA? Or did they escort her out and locked the door behind her?

Yeah, I'm going to hold back here. There's almost always more to the story than the initial moment of outrage. You'd think we'd have learned that by now.


I'm sure in this instance the hospital workers figured "oh great, another homeless patient. let's get her out of here quick, she stinks like the gutter behind the inner-harbor." and rushed her out quicker then she could sign her release forms.

I'm sure they get their fair share of patients like this and just like a waiter who wants to get rid of the asshat patron on table 12 that complained his water was too wet, they just want these people out of there as quickly as possible.
 
2018-01-12 09:31:30 AM  

soia: so, person finds someone in a hospital gown on the corner and the first thing they do is record it?  Is there not something wrong with this?


What was he supposed to do...offer her money for sexual favors?
 
2018-01-12 09:34:10 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: soia: so, person finds someone in a hospital gown on the corner and the first thing they do is record it?  Is there not something wrong with this?

What was he supposed to do...offer her money for sexual favors?


He recorded it as proof, then called 911. He wasn't just some schmoe that wanted to start a viral video on a homeless person in a paper gown. He was trying to help her.

But yes, there are some people that would've just filmed her for the heck of it and not helped in any way.
 
2018-01-12 09:38:15 AM  

Medic Zero: Anastacya: The article states that she was treated medically, but the guy who filmed it said that she had blood on her face, which seems to be, oh I dunno... not "treated". Usually you clean the blood off. Of course, dumping patients in a hospital gown into the bitter cold is also something that you'd think isn't standard practice, either, but it does seem to be a dirty practice.

Disgusting.

Depends. The ER I worked at we often only cleaned the blood off to visualize the wound. Any other blood was usually the patients problem, or the units upstairs if they were getting admitted.


Would you give them the opportunity, or a rag, to do it themselves? Honest question, not being snarky. It just seems odd that a hospital would discharge someone (much less chuck them onto the street in a gown) with blood on their face.
 
2018-01-12 09:40:26 AM  
FTA: He said he then went and tried to help the woman and dial 911 for an ambulance. He said once the ambulance arrived, he asked its crew where they were going to take her, and they replied "back to the hospital."

I know the guy is trying to help, but he totally just gave this poor woman another $3k+ bill to pay.
If she got kicked to the curb in a gown she's not insured and has no money.  Don't call a farking ambulance, man.  Don't do anything they're going to charge her even more money for.  Holy shiat...
 
2018-01-12 09:41:33 AM  

Literally Addicted: soia: so, person finds someone in a hospital gown on the corner and the first thing they do is record it?  Is there not something wrong with this?

He witnessed the security guards wheeling the woman to the bus stop and actually confronted them, asking if they were just going to leave her there.  He called 911, he stayed with her, he made sure she was okay.  AND he recorded it.


For his humanity and level-headedness, this guy gets a thumbs-up from me.
 
2018-01-12 09:41:38 AM  

steklo: Bowen: soupafi: Did the woman leave AMA? Or did they escort her out and locked the door behind her?

Yeah, I'm going to hold back here. There's almost always more to the story than the initial moment of outrage. You'd think we'd have learned that by now.

I'm sure in this instance the hospital workers figured "oh great, another homeless patient. let's get her out of here quick, she stinks like the gutter behind the inner-harbor." and rushed her out quicker then she could sign her release forms.

I'm sure they get their fair share of patients like this and just like a waiter who wants to get rid of the asshat patron on table 12 that complained his water was too wet, they just want these people out of there as quickly as possible.


Working in a big city ER is basically an impossible job. I'm just saying I'll give it an hour before I flip my lid. For all I know they've sent her to social services a dozen times and she still comes back to the ER every Thursday.
 
2018-01-12 09:42:47 AM  

steklo: Walker: steklo: $5 bucks says that she wasn't wearing underwear under that paper gown.

She wasn't, and it had no back, and was it was a windy night.
You do the math.
All 4 idiots who escorted here out into the cold like that, including the supervisor, need to be fired.
Unfortunately the CEO will not tell us anything, as he says that is a private personnel matter.
Well let's see how you like being sued in court.
Court and court records by the way are a PUBLIC matter and PUBLIC record.

This goes a lot deeper then the 4 idiots and supervisor. Who was the doctor that ordered her "well enough" to leave her room? Does he/she just go around the wing and sign release forms and then assumes, "well the nurses will sort it out how she leaves"...The nurses probably knew full well that this women didn't have family, and resources to pay the bill...And if she's standing at a bus stop in nothing but a paper gown where is she keeping money for the bus?


The case manager needs to be terminated. Releasing a patient without a support network, not even to mention leaving them outside in freezing weather with inappropriate clothing, is a big violation of treatment standards. Assuming Maryland's medical boards and Joint Commission don't get ahold of them first, I'd say the CEO has a lot of explaining to do.
 
2018-01-12 09:43:32 AM  

Cheron: What needs to happen is nurses and doctors have to lose their license for patient abandonment/ endangerment


I love that you think it's the doctor/nurses fault.  Adorable.
 
2018-01-12 09:44:55 AM  

Bowen: steklo: Bowen: soupafi: Did the woman leave AMA? Or did they escort her out and locked the door behind her?

Yeah, I'm going to hold back here. There's almost always more to the story than the initial moment of outrage. You'd think we'd have learned that by now.

I'm sure in this instance the hospital workers figured "oh great, another homeless patient. let's get her out of here quick, she stinks like the gutter behind the inner-harbor." and rushed her out quicker then she could sign her release forms.

I'm sure they get their fair share of patients like this and just like a waiter who wants to get rid of the asshat patron on table 12 that complained his water was too wet, they just want these people out of there as quickly as possible.

Working in a big city ER is basically an impossible job. I'm just saying I'll give it an hour before I flip my lid. For all I know they've sent her to social services a dozen times and she still comes back to the ER every Thursday.


My stepdaughter works as an EMT and often when calls come in on her scanner, she'll recognize the same address and call them "frequent flyers"...
 
2018-01-12 09:45:14 AM  

baronbloodbath: The case manager needs to be terminated. Releasing a patient without a support network, not even to mention leaving them outside in freezing weather with inappropriate clothing, is a big violation of treatment standards. Assuming Maryland's medical boards and Joint Commission don't get ahold of them first, I'd say the CEO has a lot of explaining to do


Likely an ER discharge, no case manager.
 
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