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(Fast Company)   "Russia didn't just meddle in the U.S. election: it's trying to hack our critical infrastructure-and Trump may be keeping Americans in the dark"   ( fastcompany.com) divider line
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2018-01-11 02:39:21 PM  
Call Whitefish.
 
2018-01-11 02:56:07 PM  
Great.
 
2018-01-11 03:07:55 PM  
This cunning plan has what effect on the military?
Piss off the civilians real good, but why?

Now if there was some sort of broad command and control of essential services I could see it. But the USA is a crazy quilt.
Heavy on the crazy.
 
2018-01-11 03:21:27 PM  

snocone: This cunning plan has what effect on the military?
Piss off the civilians real good, but why?

Now if there was some sort of broad command and control of essential services I could see it. But the USA is a crazy quilt.
Heavy on the crazy.


The plan is to disrupt whatever can be disrupted.  Banking, internet, traffic signals, power grids, etc.
 
2018-01-11 03:29:26 PM  
Real world hacking has been way more terrifying than all the bullshiat movie hacking from the past 3 decades.
 
2018-01-11 03:33:36 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: snocone: This cunning plan has what effect on the military?
Piss off the civilians real good, but why?

Now if there was some sort of broad command and control of essential services I could see it. But the USA is a crazy quilt.
Heavy on the crazy.

The plan is to disrupt whatever can be disrupted.  Banking, internet, traffic signals, power grids, etc.


And you would be late for work.
HaHaHahA.
Not gonna happen.
"Believe me."
 
2018-01-11 03:35:05 PM  
Crap even Puerto Rico is still not dead.
Look what state they are in.
 
2018-01-11 04:43:18 PM  
CIA director says Russia has meddled in U.S. elections 'for decades'

CIA Director Mike Pompeo told CBS that the Russian interference is longstanding, and continues. Asked on "Face the Nation" if Moscow is currently trying to undermine U.S. elections, Pompeo responded: "Yes sir, have been for decades."

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/a​rticles/2018-01-07/cias-pompeo-says-ru​ssia-and-others-trying-to-undermine-us​-elections
 
2018-01-11 04:45:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: snocone: This cunning plan has what effect on the military?
Piss off the civilians real good, but why?

Now if there was some sort of broad command and control of essential services I could see it. But the USA is a crazy quilt.
Heavy on the crazy.

The plan is to disrupt whatever can be disrupted.  Banking, internet, traffic signals, power grids, etc.


Well then thank God all our systems have remote backdoors so management can login from home, over and against the advice of the engineers who designed the stuff.

This is what happens when you cultivate a disdain for intelligence and learning, and don't respect the advice of smart people 'cuz I do what I want
 
2018-01-11 04:47:41 PM  
A couple of them have been trying to hijack my steam account for the last few days.

Bastards.
 
2018-01-11 04:48:01 PM  
I foresee that the infrastructure spending that's being talked about won't be bridges and roads (though the highway trust will be broke soon), it will be money for the energy grid.

This is both in keeping with Trump's promises to the energy industry and makes sense given how vulnerable it seems to be. I'd imagine they'll include telecom in that while still pretending that those aren't utilities
 
2018-01-11 04:48:05 PM  
Treason.
 
2018-01-11 04:49:02 PM  
There have been dire warnings for probably twenty years that our network infrastructure has been compromised when it was designed and built, and as far as I know, we've done nothing. Routers that have malware built right into the firmware for example.

I fully expect that at some point a message will be delivered, here is what we want, x billion dollars, these laws rescinded, this person put in the White House, remove your troops from here and here, or else we open up all of your dams, we turn off your power, we do many unpleasant things from which you cannot recover. I know it sounds scifi but we're now in a scifi age, and we have blithely ignored some very strident warnings.

And then there will be a demonstration. "You see? Eastern seaboard without power for two days, many people die, complete chaos. That was a small taste. Imagine it happening off and on for a year. Transfer the money. Today."

We are approaching the first point in human history when one nefarious group can attempt to steal what amounts to the entire world. They will attempt it.
 
2018-01-11 04:50:16 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Marcus Aurelius: snocone: This cunning plan has what effect on the military?
Piss off the civilians real good, but why?

Now if there was some sort of broad command and control of essential services I could see it. But the USA is a crazy quilt.
Heavy on the crazy.

The plan is to disrupt whatever can be disrupted.  Banking, internet, traffic signals, power grids, etc.

Well then thank God all our systems have remote backdoors so management can login from home, over and against the advice of the engineers who designed the stuff.

This is what happens when you cultivate a disdain for intelligence and learning, and don't respect the advice of smart people 'cuz I do what I want


That's always been the most interesting part of the controversy about private email servers, to me.

If the only way servers can be secured is if they are accessed from a particular location, then those who use them won't be able to do their job, often. The people who design them need to sort that out.
 
2018-01-11 04:50:42 PM  
Did fernt just break the fourth wall?
 
2018-01-11 04:51:08 PM  

fernt: CIA director says Russia has meddled in U.S. elections 'for decades'CIA Director Mike Pompeo told CBS that the Russian interference is longstanding, and continues. Asked on "Face the Nation" if Moscow is currently trying to undermine U.S. elections, Pompeo responded: "Yes sir, have been for decades."


Fernt, you finally said something actually smart on Fark. Well done.

Of course, you do realize the only time the Russians actually succeeded in farking with our elections is when Trump and the entire Republican party actively held the back door open for their hackers and did their damnedest to obstruct and suppress our government response. Just a minor detail you left out.
 
2018-01-11 04:51:12 PM  

snocone: Marcus Aurelius: snocone: This cunning plan has what effect on the military?
Piss off the civilians real good, but why?

Now if there was some sort of broad command and control of essential services I could see it. But the USA is a crazy quilt.
Heavy on the crazy.

The plan is to disrupt whatever can be disrupted.  Banking, internet, traffic signals, power grids, etc.

And you would be late for work.
HaHaHahA.
Not gonna happen.
"Believe me."

well, I'm convinced.  we can all relax, guy!  snocone said so

 
2018-01-11 04:51:15 PM  
But hey, let's cut budget and headcount for vital government agencies and secure everything with bootstraps
 
2018-01-11 04:51:34 PM  
Relevant:
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Can't wait for the thread on that juicy quote. Just when you think the day's news about Trump hit rock bottom he goes and literally Trumps it by saying something stupid.
 
2018-01-11 04:52:07 PM  
Same thing that has been going on for 20 years?
 
2018-01-11 04:52:51 PM  
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2018-01-11 04:52:54 PM  

dwrash: Same thing that has been going on for 20 years?


While we've let our infrastructure deteriorate.
 
2018-01-11 04:53:32 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: have remote backdoors so management can login from home, over and against the advice of the engineers who designed the stuff.


It's particularly annoying to hear things coming out of the [ management / marketing / HR / admin ] mouths who called me "paranoid" and "crazy" and "worried too much" and "a nerd who doesn't understand how ~real~ people have to work" when I said the exact same thing twenty farking years ago.
 
2018-01-11 04:53:37 PM  

fernt: CIA director says Russia has meddled in U.S. elections 'for decades'


And what is your point exactly?  Are you implying that we should be cool with it because someone says it is status quo?

Make yourself clearer:  How, in your opinion, does whether or not this activity has been ongoing for some time frame how we should respond to this activity?

Some bleedingly obvious points to consider:
a) what about quantitative concerns. Is this activity escalating/intensified or is it the same as it was decades ago
b) what about modern vulnerabilities. How vulnerable does the sprawling and rapidly deployed ICT infrastructure make things?
 
2018-01-11 04:54:03 PM  

fernt: CIA director says Russia has meddled in U.S. elections 'for decades'

CIA Director Mike Pompeo told CBS that the Russian interference is longstanding, and continues. Asked on "Face the Nation" if Moscow is currently trying to undermine U.S. elections, Pompeo responded: "Yes sir, have been for decades."

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/a​rticles/2018-01-07/cias-pompeo-says-ru​ssia-and-others-trying-to-undermine-us​-elections


And in 2016 they were finally successful.
 
2018-01-11 04:55:59 PM  
Russia didn't just meddle in the U.S. election: it's actively trying to hack our critical infrastructure-and Trump is keeping Americans in the dark about it

I think Subby is giving Trump too much credit here. I don't think he understands what's going on and the effects it could have. This falls under one of my favorite sayings: Never attribute to evil what can adequately be explained by stupidity.
 
2018-01-11 04:56:01 PM  
I would guess most of our infrastructure runs on BASIC and FORTRAN, so good luck hacking into that.
 
2018-01-11 04:56:10 PM  

fernt: CIA director says Russia has meddled in U.S. elections 'for decades'

CIA Director Mike Pompeo told CBS that the Russian interference is longstanding, and continues. Asked on "Face the Nation" if Moscow is currently trying to undermine U.S. elections, Pompeo responded: "Yes sir, have been for decades."

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/a​rticles/2018-01-07/cias-pompeo-says-ru​ssia-and-others-trying-to-undermine-us​-elections


Exactly.  Just like how the minor skirmishes between US and Axis forces before WWII made the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor just fine.
 
2018-01-11 04:56:20 PM  

hugram: [img.fark.net image 800x591]


Traitor.  She can go up against the wall for newb target practice as the housecleaning gets routine.  No, it's not her fault she was gullible and misled, but it -is- her fault she was -willingly- misled and went along with it not just without hesitation, but with _pride_.
 
2018-01-11 04:56:25 PM  

dwrash: Same thing that has been going on for 20 years?


If I try to kill someone for twenty years, and finally succeed in my latest attempt, that makes it ok.
 
2018-01-11 04:58:46 PM  
Another depressing aspect to this story is the rise of AI. Because we're fools, the story will be: "Hey look, this AI can do things cheaper and faster. It's true that nobody can understand how it actually works, but did you hear 'cheaper' and 'faster'? You know what that means? Higher stock price three months from now. Full speed ahead!"

Yet another point of extreme vulnerability, the warnings will be ignored, and some very clever people will learn how to manipulate the AI into doing what they want. A very simple analogy was in a story I saw just this week. Some people came up with stickers you can put on things and it completely messes up current state-of-the-art AI for visual recognition. So they'll come up with a way to work around that, and like Groundskeeper Willie tapping in a sign saying DANGER OPEN WELL, they'll dust off their hands and say, "That should do it."
 
2018-01-11 04:59:12 PM  

IvyLady: Kumana Wanalaia: Marcus Aurelius: snocone: This cunning plan has what effect on the military?
Piss off the civilians real good, but why?

Now if there was some sort of broad command and control of essential services I could see it. But the USA is a crazy quilt.
Heavy on the crazy.

The plan is to disrupt whatever can be disrupted.  Banking, internet, traffic signals, power grids, etc.

Well then thank God all our systems have remote backdoors so management can login from home, over and against the advice of the engineers who designed the stuff.

This is what happens when you cultivate a disdain for intelligence and learning, and don't respect the advice of smart people 'cuz I do what I want

That's always been the most interesting part of the controversy about private email servers, to me.

If the only way servers can be secured is if they are accessed from a particular location, then those who use them won't be able to do their job, often. The people who design them need to sort that out.


Don't worry, we're going to hire pokemon kids as temps and keep them chained to their desks by the servers, without overtime pay. It will save money in the short run, and in the long run, who cares? We'll be retired by then, let someone else worry about it.
 
2018-01-11 05:00:03 PM  
When will Fox & Friends recommend a TSA checkpoint for places where technology takes off?
 
2018-01-11 05:00:40 PM  

dwrash: Same thing that has been going on for 20 years?


Ah, well then, fark it guys. No problems here!
 
2018-01-11 05:01:12 PM  
Uh, yeah.

And of course the farkface in Chief isn't "doing anything" about it, as far as he's concerned this is fake news. Because he's a farking moron and a treasonous piece of shiat who would sell the rest of us out for a dollar.
 
2018-01-11 05:02:42 PM  
Yeah, no doy
 
2018-01-11 05:03:08 PM  

snocone: Crap even Puerto Rico is still not dead.
Look what state they are in.


They're not in any state, they're a territory.

/badump-pshhhh
 
2018-01-11 05:03:47 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Uh, yeah.

And of course the farkface in Chief isn't "doing anything" about it, as far as he's concerned this is fake news. Because he's a farking moron and a treasonous piece of shiat who would sell the rest of us out for a dollar.


Oh come on now.

Trump would hold out for more than a dollar. It would not occur to him to NOT sell us out, though.
 
2018-01-11 05:04:26 PM  

fernt: CIA director says Russia has meddled in U.S. elections 'for decades'


Yes, and finally they have a group in the US that is 100% in support of their work: the Republican Party.  Along with a group of people who are perfect dupes for the Soviet propaganda: all Trump supporters.
The GOP has become a party of racists, traitors, pathological liars and baby rapists.

What party do you belong to?
 
2018-01-11 05:06:46 PM  

SFSailor: Kumana Wanalaia: have remote backdoors so management can login from home, over and against the advice of the engineers who designed the stuff.

It's particularly annoying to hear things coming out of the [ management / marketing / HR / admin ] mouths who called me "paranoid" and "crazy" and "worried too much" and "a nerd who doesn't understand how ~real~ people have to work" when I said the exact same thing twenty farking years ago.


And those ignoramii have the same attitude as the FBI did in the 80s; Gee, kids are breaking into our computers through the phone lines! Ok, well then arrest them. We've got to nip this in the bud so it won't be a problem any more. "Good thinking, sir!"

Meanwhile, in China... (and Russia, and Iran, and Korea, and...)

Those kids thought for sure they would be offered sweet jobs once the grown ups saw how 1337 they were. Turns out, most grown ups are stodgy unimaginative morons who think that change only happens on the scale of geological eras.

Oops.
 
2018-01-11 05:08:13 PM  

snocone: Marcus Aurelius: snocone: This cunning plan has what effect on the military?
Piss off the civilians real good, but why?

Now if there was some sort of broad command and control of essential services I could see it. But the USA is a crazy quilt.
Heavy on the crazy.

The plan is to disrupt whatever can be disrupted.  Banking, internet, traffic signals, power grids, etc.

And you would be late for work.
HaHaHahA.
Not gonna happen.
"Believe me."


I for one believe you, comrade
 
2018-01-11 05:08:27 PM  

snocone: This cunning plan has what effect on the military?

Marcus Aurelius: The plan is to disrupt whatever can be disrupted. Banking, internet, traffic signals, power grids, etc.


That would be the golden ring. I'd presume nearly all military facilities have backup diesel generators for a lot of stuff (or someone in logistics is in need of a court-martial), but those are usually short term; probably no more than a week for the overwhelming majority. My understanding is that a lot of nuclear navy ships are effectively small cities, with significant generation capacity; the sailors could probably ride out a crisis pretty damn well. However, my impression is that with the exception few major bases (such as Cheyenne Mountain) and oddballs (Fort Wainwright in Alaska) which effectively have their own on-site power generation substations, most US Army and Air Force bases routinely rely on the external grid.

Given sufficient malicious compromise of a few of the NERC interconnect (power grid) control centers, it would be practical to do billions in damage to equipment that would immediately reduce US generation capacity by 80-90%, curtail transmission capabilities, and require years to repair.


Of course, we'd still likely have that short-term power reserve capability up long enough to make the rubble bounce for whoever looked to be responsible, and likely inclination to do so.
 
2018-01-11 05:09:39 PM  

NotARocketScientist: Russia didn't just meddle in the U.S. election: it's actively trying to hack our critical infrastructure-and Trump is keeping Americans in the dark about it

I think Subby is giving Trump too much credit here. I don't think he understands what's going on and the effects it could have. This falls under one of my favorite sayings: Never attribute to evil what can adequately be explained by stupidity.


Exactly. If Fox and Friends hasn't explained it to him, he doesn't know about it.
 
2018-01-11 05:10:52 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: Yes, and finally they have a group in the US that is 100% in support of their work: the Republican Party. Along with a group of people who are perfect dupes for the Soviet propaganda: all Trump supporters.
The GOP has become a party of racists, traitors, pathological liars and baby rapists.

What party do you belong to?


Единая Россия obviously.
 
2018-01-11 05:11:15 PM  
Meanwhile the GOP isn't doing shiat about the problem.
 
2018-01-11 05:11:28 PM  
Treason.
 
2018-01-11 05:12:31 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Did fernt just break the fourth wall?


Broke something, that's for damn sure...
 
2018-01-11 05:12:48 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Well then thank God all our systems have remote backdoors so management can login from home, over and against the advice of the engineers who designed the stuff.


In which industry?

Also, there's grades to back-doors. It's one thing to allow a backdoor to a system that is designed to report status to anyone with the keys to listen. (A "back window"?) However, I presume (since management tend to be morons) you're talking about back doors that allow walking in to control stuff.
 
2018-01-11 05:12:59 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Did fernt just break the fourth wall wind?

 
2018-01-11 05:13:10 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Treason.


AHEM

Nied: Treason.

 
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