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2018-01-03 01:10:55 PM  
275 votes:
Of course he never wanted to win. He never planned on winning. His goal was to throw so much shiat at Hillary that her presidency would be crippled with fake scandals and allegations.

From there he'd get his Russia pay (Putin wants America destabilized, nothing more) and be able to start his Trump News Network with alt-right news alt-the time.

His worst mistake was running. His worst nightmare is winning.
2018-01-03 01:26:06 PM  
187 votes:
Thanks again for electing this asshole, you assholes.
2018-01-03 01:21:52 PM  
132 votes:
Everybody in his rich-guy social circle knew about his wide-ranging ignorance. Early in the campaign, Sam Nunberg was sent to explain the Constitution to the candidate. "I got as far as the Fourth Amendment," Nunberg recalled, "before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head."

Jesus F*cking Christ.
2018-01-03 01:27:21 PM  
128 votes:

Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face


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This one?
2018-01-03 01:20:17 PM  
110 votes:
He never wanted to win and the American public has been losing ever since.
2018-01-03 01:28:01 PM  
106 votes:
THEN RESIGN YOU LYING PIECE OF shiatE!
2018-01-03 01:26:22 PM  
93 votes:
I wouldn't think any less of him* if he chose to resign.

*I am in fact, incapable of thinking any less of him so...
2018-01-03 01:31:48 PM  
83 votes:

scottydoesntknow: (Putin wants America destabilized, nothing more)


NATO can no longer trust the United States.

The United States ceded economic influence in South East Asia and Central/South America to China.

The United States has lost credibility and reliability for future international negotiations for several decades (whose gonna trust a President the US will keep its word?).

ad infinitum.

He got what he wanted.
2018-01-03 01:32:12 PM  
81 votes:

StrikitRich: [scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com image 480x480]

Like FARK, The New Yorker must have just been re-stocked.


I'm sorry. I prefer trolls who know the difference between the New Yorker and New York Magazine.
2018-01-03 01:24:03 PM  
75 votes:
I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face
2018-01-03 01:30:42 PM  
71 votes:

The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.


He didn't want to be President. But he's too narcissistic to actually quit, even if he DID blame it on everyone else.
2018-01-03 01:25:46 PM  
67 votes:
Anyone paying attention knew this all along.
The problem is half of our country can't be asked to pay a rat's fart of attention to anything that's not happening directly in front of them.
2018-01-03 01:26:43 PM  
64 votes:
So what's the source for this?

Because I understand confirmation bias, and reading this, for me, is like an overdose of confirmation bias.

I so want it to be true, but I can't quite bring myself to believe it (or anything political) anymore.
2018-01-03 01:28:31 PM  
61 votes:
No shiat. He wanted to lose and spend his last few years ranting about how the election was 'rigged' by Hillary on his very own news network.

Unfortunately, Putin and/or the GOP didn't plan on losing, and tipped the scales in his favor. And now we're here.
2018-01-03 01:32:32 PM  
56 votes:

Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face


It's a lot more fun to fleece the rubes than it is to actually have to make decisions. I see that constantly in my work as a consultant. I can tell who is farking trouble right off the bat, they are the people in the pissing contest over some technological change that don't want to take responsibility. There are plenty of managers, and consultants, who do not actually want their way to win they just want to be on record the other option is bad.

From there you fleece the rubes. Trump expected to lose. Losing would have given him the opportunity to biatch about voter fraud and whatnot, and fleece the rubes. He could fleece them with the Trump Truth News Network. He could fleece them with books touting conspiracy theories. He could fleece them into donating money for worthless Trump PACs where his family gets paid well. (I should start a "conservative" PAC and fleece a bunch of morons, unfortunately I'm too ethical) Selling "Trump should've won" merchandise like hats, and keep selling that MAGA stuff too.

Winning was the best/worst thing to happen to him. He's got a platform, not the one he wanted, to fleece the rubes. Unfortunately his campaign was staffed by morons who couldn't keep their mouths shut, and now his entire financial empire is under scrutiny which is probably giving him ulcers.
d23 [BareFark]
2018-01-03 01:34:23 PM  
47 votes:

StrikitRich: [scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com image 480x480]

Like FARK, The New Yorker must have just been re-stocked.


When you have nothing counter argument, go with the Hillary card.

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2018-01-03 01:38:59 PM  
45 votes:
I've been calling this since the beginning, he just wanted that sweet campaign donation money and sales from those stupid hats.

My proof is when he upped the rents for his campaign offices as soon as he was nominated and use the GOP coffers to pay for them. This is like a real life producers.
2018-01-03 01:32:16 PM  
44 votes:

The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.


It's not obvious to you?
His ego won't let him, neither will his handlers.
And, he's banking a shiat load of money from this deal.
2018-01-03 01:30:38 PM  
44 votes:
That "news article" reads like fan fiction.

For example:  did Murdock REALLY say "what a f*cking idiot"?  And to whom?  And who else heard it?  Was that really reported to someone?  Or are we just speculation as to what went on behind the scenes?
2018-01-03 01:31:17 PM  
43 votes:
Seriously, why would anyone in their right mind ever want to become president?
d23 [BareFark]
2018-01-03 02:13:01 PM  
41 votes:

fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.


Bullshiat and it's a dated talking point now.  How about the fact that people like me who live in idiotic, meth-addicted Indiana want to vote for someone who is sane but that vote means *nothing* since the people in these states want to vote for an idiot.  Let our votes join with the votes of the big population areas so we can actually get the people the majority of sane people in the US want.
2018-01-03 01:43:26 PM  
40 votes:
I doubt Trump will resign at this point.  He knows Mueller is coming for him.  As long as he is President, they will have to go through the impeachment process.  If he was a civilian they could just arrest him outright.  Trump will have to be dragged our screaming before he goes.  The best part is that every person that has ever had contact with Trump is being looked at through this investigation, he basically gave all his friends and business partners the death sentence by becoming POTUS.
2018-01-03 01:35:13 PM  
40 votes:
Because quitting would be admitting he couldn't handle the job. It's that simple: it would kill his ego to admit he couldn't handle it.
2018-01-03 01:58:05 PM  
39 votes:
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2018-01-03 01:44:15 PM  
38 votes:

The Third Man: his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life


his base is upper middle class Boomer-and-older suburbanites who want to (1) pay less taxes and (2) be openly racist again
2018-01-03 02:13:16 PM  
37 votes:

fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.


And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.
kab
2018-01-03 01:57:39 PM  
37 votes:
There was footage shown after he won, of him getting a tour of the White House. The deer-in-the-headlights look on his face when being shown around was humorous.

skyotter: Thanks again for electing this asshole, you assholes.


Don't kid yourself.   Voters didn't put him in place, because voters don't elect presidents, no matter how you want to spin it.

The republican party is absolutely 100% responsible for anything and everything he does, and any fallout from his actions,  The right wing had their opportunity to show this guy the door in the summer of 2016, and decided not to.   And as generally shiatty as your field was, any one of them was better suited to lead than DJT is.

Since then, the right wing has embraced being portrayed as white supremacist sympathizers, advocates of nepotism. You've proudly displayed yourselves as proponents of foreign interference in the election process, and abuse of executive power.    None of this is debatable at all.

You've established a new low in what passes for candidate qualification, and will pander to any mindset or history as long as it pulls on the R lever.   Frankly, you ceasing to exist as a political party would be one of the better things to happen to the US.
2018-01-03 01:33:36 PM  
37 votes:
Ailes had a suggestion: John Boehner, who had stepped down as Speaker of the House only a year earlier.

"Who's that?" asked Trump.


Hooooly shiat
2018-01-03 01:38:12 PM  
36 votes:
5 years ago, I wrote a spec pilot for a writing class in which a wildly ignorant, irresponsible, corrupt congressman tries to sabotage his own presidential campaign, but it backfires because the American people are so farking dumb that his polls go up with every idiotic, disgusting move.

I wrote that shiat five years ago.
2018-01-03 01:32:39 PM  
36 votes:

StrikitRich: [scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com image 480x480]
Like FARK, The New Yorker must have just been re-stocked.


Your projector needs a new bulb.
2018-01-03 02:46:32 PM  
35 votes:

Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


She won the majority of the votes. That's supposed to be how democracy works.

The EC was created to ensure that a populist demagogue couldn't dupe the population into electing a snake-oil salesman. It has failed at its only job.
2018-01-03 02:00:39 PM  
33 votes:

Sailing Starflower: So what's the source for this?

Because I understand confirmation bias, and reading this, for me, is like an overdose of confirmation bias.

I so want it to be true, but I can't quite bring myself to believe it (or anything political) anymore.


From the bottom of the article:

HOW HE GOT THE STORY

This story is adapted from Michael Wolff's book Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, to be published by Henry Holt & Co. on January 9. Wolff, who chronicles the administration from Election Day to this past October, conducted conversations and interviews over a period of 18 months with the president, most members of his senior staff, and many people to whom they in turn spoke. Shortly after Trump's inauguration, Wolff says, he was able to take up "something like a semi-permanent seat on a couch in the West Wing" - an idea encouraged by the president himself. Because no one was in a position to either officially approve or formally deny such access, Wolff became "more a constant interloper than an invited guest." There were no ground rules placed on his access, and he was required to make no promises about how he would report on what he witnessed.
Since then, he conducted more than 200 interviews. In true Trumpian fashion, the administration's lack of experience and disdain for political norms made for a hodgepodge of journalistic challenges. Information would be provided off-the-record or on deep background, then casually put on the record. Sources would fail to set any parameters on the use of a conversation, or would provide accounts in confidence, only to subsequently share their views widely. And the president's own views, private as well as public, were constantly shared by others. The adaptation presented here offers a front-row view of Trump's presidency, from his improvised transition to his first months in the Oval Office.
2018-01-03 01:49:09 PM  
33 votes:

The Third Man: and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.


Nope. What ElwoodCuse said. Trump won whites of every income level. He ran on racism and won on racism because America is f*cking racist.
2018-01-03 02:43:51 PM  
32 votes:

Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


You are REALLY farking bad at math.
2018-01-03 01:27:04 PM  
32 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Of course he never wanted to win. He never planned on winning. His goal was to throw so much shiat at Hillary that her presidency would be crippled with fake scandals and allegations.

From there he'd get his Russia pay (Putin wants America destabilized, nothing more) and be able to start his Trump News Network with alt-right news alt-the time.

His worst mistake was running. His worst nightmare is winning.


That's gonna be the tagline for the movie.
2018-01-03 02:23:06 PM  
30 votes:
Watching the trolls in this thread trying to throw anything at the wall hoping something will stick is a bit sad, a bit hilarious.
2018-01-03 02:02:22 PM  
30 votes:
I swear this fool could take the actual declaration of independence and the constitution and set them on fire and 62 million of you farking retards would applaud him for it.
WHAT THE FARK IS WRONG WITH YOU, DID YOU GET DROPPED ON YOUR DAMN HEADS AS INFANTS ?
2018-01-03 01:54:32 PM  
30 votes:
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2018-01-03 02:06:37 PM  
29 votes:
n the afternoon of November 8, 2016, Kellyanne Conway settled into her glass office at Trump Tower. Right up until the last weeks of the race, the campaign headquarters had remained a listless place. All that seemed to distinguish it from a corporate back office were a few posters with right-wing slogans.
Conway, the campaign's manager, was in a remarkably buoyant mood, considering she was about to experience a resounding, if not cataclysmic, defeat. Donald Trump would lose the election - of this she was sure - but he would quite possibly hold the defeat to under six points. That was a substantial victory. As for the looming defeat itself, she shrugged it off: It was Reince Priebus's fault, not hers.
She had spent a good part of the day calling friends and allies in the political world and blaming Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee. Now she briefed some of the television producers and anchors whom she had been carefully courting since joining the Trump campaign - and with whom she had been actively interviewing in the last few weeks, hoping to land a permanent on-air job after the election.
Even though the numbers in a few key states had appeared to be changing to Trump's advantage, neither Conway nor Trump himself nor his son-in-law, Jared Kushner - the effective head of the campaign - wavered in their certainty: Their unexpected adventure would soon be over. Not only would Trump not be president, almost everyone in the campaign agreed, he should probably not be. Conveniently, the former conviction meant nobody had to deal with the latter issue.
As the campaign came to an end, Trump himself was sanguine. His ultimate goal, after all, had never been to win. "I can be the most famous man in the world," he had told his aide Sam Nunberg at the outset of the race. His longtime friend Roger Ailes, the former head of Fox News, liked to say that if you want a career in television, first run for president. Now Trump, encouraged by Ailes, was floating rumors about a Trump network. It was a great future. He would come out of this campaign, Trump assured Ailes, with a far more powerful brand and untold opportunities.


Dear God, we all joked about it, but it's actually true....This was a The Producers campaign all along, and winning really was the disaster
2018-01-03 01:43:23 PM  
28 votes:

Harlee: Snapper Carr: I wouldn't think any less of him* if he chose to resign.

*I am in fact, incapable of thinking any less of him so...

That would leave Pence in charge. Not sure you've thought your cunning plan all the way through here.


I'm pretty sure that not having to worry about nuclear destruction every time North Korea says mean things is worth having Pence.

It's not like Trump isn't advancing all of the worst parts of a Pence presidency anyway.
2018-01-03 01:34:04 PM  
28 votes:
He might be my new favorite artist.

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2018-01-03 01:57:22 PM  
27 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Of course he never wanted to win. He never planned on winning.


Trump doesn't plan. He doesn't think of the future. He lives entirely in the moment. Is he at that moment getting the praise he craves, the attention he needs?

It's why he'll say anything to get a positive reaction, whether from an individual or a crowd. Consequences have never existed for him.

That's the frightening part: a shallow person, not too bright, who has never endured the slightest consequence from any decision or action.

Start a war? If it gets him adulation. If it makes him look tough.  He has the mind of a goldfish, nothing more than 30 seconds down the road exists for him.
2018-01-03 01:43:18 PM  
25 votes:
Drumpf, in fact, found the White House to be vexing and even a little scary. He retreated to his own bedroom - the first time since the Kennedy White House that a presidential couple had maintained separate rooms. In the first days, he ordered two television screens in addition to the one already there, and a lock on the door, precipitating a brief standoff with the Secret Service, who insisted they have access to the room. He reprimanded the housekeeping staff for picking up his shirt from the floor: "If my shirt is on the floor, it's because I want it on the floor." Then he imposed a set of new rules: Nobody touch anything, especially not his toothbrush. (He had a longtime fear of being poisoned, one reason why he liked to eat at McDonald's - nobody knew he was coming and the food was safely premade.) Also, he would let housekeeping know when he wanted his sheets done, and he would strip his own bed.

What a farking weirdo.
/this country is so boned.
2018-01-03 01:44:31 PM  
24 votes:
A lazy cowardly president for a lazy cowardly America.
2018-01-03 01:40:23 PM  
24 votes:
America's first Flop Sweat President

This is why he literally runs his presidency based on Fox & Friends, he never had any idea what his politics were to begin with.
2018-01-03 02:56:49 PM  
23 votes:

Yellow Beard: I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.


How about we say one voter has one vote, and that mine shouldn't be worth a fraction of someone who simply has fewer, more spread-out neighbors than I do?
2018-01-03 02:33:10 PM  
23 votes:
Wow this thread is full of crazies coming out of the woodwork.  Did the Kremlin's check clear or something?
2018-01-03 03:32:04 PM  
22 votes:

Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire. What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?


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2018-01-03 01:56:06 PM  
22 votes:
Whether the precise details are correct or not, the overall idea that Trump did not actually want to win is spot on.  A colleague referred to Trump' win as the dog who caught the car and is now thinking, "Uh oh, now what?"  Just look at how late he started on the process of filling key positions, and how many are still to be appointed.  How the RNC allowed this to happen is beyond comprehension.  Noting speaks more eloquently of the total dysfunction of the Republican party than Trump's election.
2018-01-03 01:30:13 PM  
22 votes:
If this is supposed to make me feel better, it's failing.

If the farkface in Chief doesn't want the job, he knows what he can do about that.
2018-01-03 02:19:50 PM  
21 votes:

Zeke The Octopus: Dusk-You-n-Me: The Third Man: and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.

Nope. What ElwoodCuse said. Trump won whites of every income level. He ran on racism and won on racism because America is f*cking racist.

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Describing Trump's campaign accurately is an "anti-white post" whatever the f*ck that means. Take this sh*t back to reddit.
2018-01-03 01:45:45 PM  
20 votes:

koinbahd: El_Perro: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x412]

http://thehill.com/homenews/administra​tion/367253-trump-bannon-has-lost-his-​mind

Holy shiat that's real?!?!


Holy fark it's real.
2018-01-03 01:32:30 PM  
20 votes:

Cthulhukefka: Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face

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This one?


And, right behind an elated Mike Pence stands Donnie Half Scoop with a shiateatting grin on his face:
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2018-01-03 01:28:27 PM  
20 votes:
This entire story has the ring of truth to it.
2018-01-03 02:57:57 PM  
19 votes:

fireclown: It isn't invalid. Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas. Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.


No, you don't get a bigger vote because you live in rural areas.  You don't get a bigger say in what happens in a country just because you live in a different place.  A person is a person.  Period.  Your excuse is creating a BS rationalization for your beliefs to get greater representation.  It's transparent and obvious.

The EC was a compromise to prevent specific states from owning the process when states were basically independent sovereign entities, almost completely independent of one another.  With little communication and travel between them, it made sense to give states "votes".  But even then, most of VA, PA, and the other large population states were 99% rural.  Now, states are far weaker cultural entities, and people move between them sharing culture and information on a minute to minute basis.

Your "historical" excuse to defend rural populations is a completely modern rationalization, not based on the realities of the system that was created.
2018-01-03 01:56:21 PM  
19 votes:
This article is incredible. Can we just delete the rest of the politics tab and make this required reading for the next couple of days? Seriously enjoying this, thanks subby.
2018-01-03 01:40:25 PM  
19 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Of course he never wanted to win. He never planned on winning. His goal was to throw so much shiat at Hillary that her presidency would be crippled with fake scandals and allegations.

From there he'd get his Russia pay (Putin wants America destabilized, nothing more) and be able to start his Trump News Network with alt-right news alt-the time.

His worst mistake was running. His worst nightmare is winning.


Just his?.
2018-01-03 02:38:18 PM  
18 votes:

fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.


Let's see....add up NYC, LA, Chicago and DFW (largest metro areas), you are at 50 million of the 323 million people in this country. Take that number and knock it down 30% to get to the number of voters and you have 35 million voters. Let's say they break dem at 90% (generous, as its probably closer to 70%, but whatever), and you have 31M voters, assuming 100% turnout. That wont even get you to half of the number of votes Clinton got. And the populations fall off very rapidly.

This whole "only care about 3 population centers" bullshiat needs to stop. You are horribly and terribly misinformed and downright wrong
2018-01-03 02:24:02 PM  
18 votes:

lordluzr: This article sounds really, really in depth quotations from people who would not have provided them... was this fan-fiction?


One of the guys they put in charge of WH communications didn't know what off-the-record meant, or was too stupid to invoke it, and then was fired a matter of hours later.

The bar in this WH is low. Trump hires idiots because he is one.
2018-01-03 02:11:02 PM  
18 votes:
Kind of funny we got a wave of borschtbots and Trumpkins going off about liberal whining and tears exactly when the freaking White House released that garbled mass of insanity.
2018-01-03 02:05:06 PM  
18 votes:

This text is now purple: Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face

Everyone gets that look. The job ages people. It's like Moses coming down the mountain after having stood in the presence of God. Each year as President is like 4 in normal years.


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On the left, 1858.  On the right, 1865.
2018-01-03 02:03:47 PM  
18 votes:
Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.
2018-01-03 01:58:25 PM  
18 votes:
Wow, incredible! Hillary couldn't even beat a guy who want to lose on purpose.
2018-01-03 01:31:27 PM  
18 votes:

StrikitRich: [scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com image 480x480]

Like FARK, The New Yorker must have just been re-stocked.

The New Yorker

and New Yorkare two completely different publications.
2018-01-03 03:19:08 PM  
17 votes:

jst3p: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

Please provide some examples of how the population centers will "sell out" "fly over country". WTF does that even mean?


Why wouldn't the opposite be equally true?  Why wouldn't "fly over country" sell out population centers?  I mean they just. did.for Pete's Sake!  This new tax bill is more harmful to those living in states with higher taxation (AKA Population Centers) than to those living in more rural states!
d23 [BareFark]
2018-01-03 03:04:39 PM  
17 votes:

Bloody William: Yellow Beard: I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.

How about we say one voter has one vote, and that mine shouldn't be worth a fraction of someone who simply has fewer, more spread-out neighbors than I do?


It's even worse than that.  Since these states have winner-take-all in the electoral college, a minority vote is worth even less in these places.  It's skewed on two levels: the vote for Trump is worth more in small states and the vote against Trump is worth virtually nothing.

As a non-Trump voter in Indiana, I essentially had NO vote in this election.
2018-01-03 01:58:30 PM  
17 votes:
Hillary's fatal mistake was that she did not recognize that 60 million people would be stupid enough to vote for Cheeto Mcshiatgibbon. And neither did Cheeto Mcshiatgibbon. Congratulations, 60 million people who are even less intelligent than Republican President Trump thought you were!
2018-01-03 01:53:06 PM  
17 votes:
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Mother of God, this actually happened.
2018-01-03 01:49:31 PM  
17 votes:

TedDalton: So he committed treason and colluded too well?  And accidentally got himself elected?


All he wanted was some loans forgiven and a hotel in Moscow. He didn't even want to survive the primaries.
2018-01-03 01:29:01 PM  
17 votes:

skyotter: Thanks again for electing this asshole, you assholes.


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2018-01-03 03:52:30 PM  
16 votes:

orezona: I like how 2/3's of this thread is about the article and a steady third is arguing back and forth about the merits/problems of the Electoral College.

I know, I know...

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It's really not that hard to connect the dots, dude.

The Electoral College, as it was stated here earlier, FAILED to do the very thing it was set up to do: keep an incompetent blowhard like Trump out of office.

You bet we're going to be talking about this shiat until we finally get it repealed.
It's just the farking beginning.
2018-01-03 01:56:20 PM  
16 votes:
TFA is a story I would enjoy reading much more if he were already out of office. As it is, we have to live with knowledge that this moron still is the current occupant of the White House.
2018-01-03 01:48:55 PM  
16 votes:

This text is now purple: Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face

Everyone gets that look. The job ages people. It's like Moses coming down the mountain after having stood in the presence of God. Each year as President is like 4 in normal years.


But in this picture he only had the job for about 7 minutes.
2018-01-03 01:45:13 PM  
16 votes:
2018-01-03 01:37:10 PM  
16 votes:
The US stopped being a global super power the moment we elected him.
I'm just wondering if and when things like the UN move to another country or NATO dissolves.
 
Should we start a pool?
2018-01-03 01:32:57 PM  
16 votes:
Don't buy the premise of this article at all. No doubt many in Trump's circle who weren't in the know thought Trump couldn't win. Others knew he would win because he knew the Russians would corrupt the balloting in key precincts in key states.
2018-01-03 01:29:37 PM  
16 votes:
The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.
d23 [BareFark]
2018-01-03 03:17:26 PM  
15 votes:

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

The whole American system is complicit.

Face it: Europe has the right idea.  Our "experiment" has failed.


Since the Bush, Jr. administration, I have started really thinking the parliamentary system is the right one.  When the diaper gets full of shiat it can be changed, no matter whether it has been 4 years or not.
2018-01-03 02:15:10 PM  
15 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.


This!
2018-01-03 02:13:07 PM  
15 votes:
"You want someone tough like John Boehner as your chief of staff."

"Who's that?"

Two syllables sum up his flopping-dying-fish, I-have-no-clue administration. Well done, stupid-as-a-fencepost trumpanzees. Well done.
2018-01-03 03:26:07 PM  
14 votes:

fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.


That's complete idiocy.

If you eliminate the electoral college, EVERY vote counts, from everywhere in the country.  It eliminates presidential elections being about landmass, and makes them about humans.  A vote in Podunk Idaho counts exactly the same as a vote in the Bronx.

Right now, that vote in the Bronx doesn't mean much.  And that deplorable's vote in Podunk counts for a whole lot more than it should.

If it hadn't been for the electoral college, not only would Drumpf not have been president, the margin would have been a lot bigger than 3 million votes because there would not have been the incentive to stay home and let somebody else bother that there was in states like NY and CA.

/We also need preference voting, to remove the concept of votes for third parties being spoilers.
2018-01-03 02:25:25 PM  
14 votes:

kdawg7736: They just can't let it go that Trump won.


What does this even mean? How does one "let it go" that Trump won? We're all, left and right, well aware that Trump is president.
2018-01-03 01:48:31 PM  
14 votes:

MFK: xanadian: That "news article" reads like fan fiction.

For example:  did Murdock REALLY say "what a f*cking idiot"?  And to whom?  And who else heard it?  Was that really reported to someone?  Or are we just speculation as to what went on behind the scenes?

it's not breitbart. it's the New Yorker. I'm pretty sure that they know that you can't just make shiat up and publish it.


Plus it explains how the reporting was gathered at the end.
2018-01-03 01:40:52 PM  
14 votes:

steklo: Seriously, why would anyone in their right mind ever want to become president?


Immunity from crimes for their family
2018-01-03 01:40:27 PM  
14 votes:

skyotter: Thanks again for electing this asshole, you assholes.


This.
2018-01-03 01:26:49 PM  
14 votes:
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Like FARK, The New Yorker must have just been re-stocked.
2018-01-03 03:14:46 PM  
13 votes:

stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.


I used to think the EC was a good idea, but I have a harder and harder time justifying it.  I can't come up with a good explanation for why the vote of someone in a rural community should count more than a vote of someone in an urban community.  For that matter, why is representation assigned to states and not just geographical areas, at least in the House?  Why should Wyoming, with its population of just over 500,000 get its own House Representative when the average constituency size per Rep is 750,000?  That's more representation!  Why?  How could that be considered Democratic?
2018-01-03 02:58:46 PM  
13 votes:

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Yellow Beard:
Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

(wanking motion)

You know that means nothing, right? LOL.

In case you are so dim you don't know that, "counties won" is a meaningless metric that stupid fark Trump bragged about, temporarily, to make getting fewer votes than Clinton sound OK. He couldn't make the "millions of illegals voted" horseshiat stick, so he (or more likely one of his soulless minions, since he's not so good with the thinking) came up with the "counties" talking point.

It's like bragging about how many windows your car has, or debating tastes great vs. less filling.

Another data point that proves Republicans are the stupidest people on earth. The feeble pimping of weak shiat like this is, well, to use the biggest word the president actually knows the definition of: sad.


The most populated county in America has over 10,000,000 people.

The least populated county has 88.

Counties don't mean shiat.
2018-01-03 02:28:28 PM  
13 votes:
I hope he hates every second of being president. I hope it kills him. Sooner rather than later, of course.
2018-01-03 01:46:58 PM  
13 votes:
Trump believes the book is on the level and is lashing out at Bannon.
2018-01-03 01:46:10 PM  
13 votes:
A 3 million vote margin in a country of over 200 million eligible voters isn't exactly redeeming of the electorate . . . .
2018-01-03 01:45:15 PM  
13 votes:

shinji3i: scottydoesntknow: (Putin wants America destabilized, nothing more)

NATO can no longer trust the United States.

The United States ceded economic influence in South East Asia and Central/South America to China.

The United States has lost credibility and reliability for future international negotiations for several decades (whose gonna trust a President the US will keep its word?).

ad infinitum.

He got what he wanted.

gave Putin what he wanted.

FTFY
2018-01-03 01:43:42 PM  
13 votes:

Harlee: Snapper Carr: I wouldn't think any less of him* if he chose to resign.

*I am in fact, incapable of thinking any less of him so...

That would leave Pence in charge. Not sure you've thought your cunning plan all the way through here.


Pence is a god bothering idiot and would be a disaster but he appears to know how to act in a way that resembles a mature adult.

Regardless of what happens with Mueller's investigation or the midterms, there's no good outcome in the short term. Pence might be the least terrible option should D2S vacate the position.
2018-01-03 01:42:48 PM  
13 votes:

raerae1980: The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.

It's not obvious to you?
His ego won't let him, neither will his handlers.
And, he's banking a shiat load of money from this deal.


But Trump has often quit during his career and spun it as a victory.  I don't see why he couldn't do the same here.  He already laid the groundwork for it by complaining about everybody and everything being against him--that seems tailor made as a precursor to quitting.

It's simply not true that people with big egos refuse to quit.  They do, but in their minds they don't see it as quitting.
2018-01-03 04:52:32 PM  
12 votes:

OregonVet: LOL. <bunch of derp>

/off topic- but defending Franken, REALLY? Gotdamn hippos.


I'll happily defend Franken to the extent that the only thing that's been demonstrated with any level of evidence is that he took a crude photo with a Playboy model while working as a comedian before ever running for any public office.  It's certainly possible that he did more than that, but the evidence surrounding the claims, as well as the timing thereof, is all fishy as shiat.
MFK
2018-01-03 03:19:16 PM  
12 votes:

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

fark you.  All you deserve is one person one vote.  Your vote should not count more than mine, and currently it does, thanks to a wretched constitution designed to protect slavery and to generations of shiatheads who refused to improve or fix this "holy" document of American "exceptionalism".


yeah pretty much this. "we can't let NY and CA decide how the country is run so we let FL and OH do it instead"
2018-01-03 03:01:34 PM  
12 votes:

Yellow Beard: Mechanicum: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Counties don't vote, people do

I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.


85% of "counties" is not in any way equivocal to 85% of the people. The government represents the people. Why are you having such a hard time comprehending this?
2018-01-03 02:24:30 PM  
12 votes:

LaBlueSkuld: The moment the last few weeks of the election campaign they started talking more about TrumpTV than anything else it was obvious what the plan was. Hell, I can see his disgusting face smugly smirking over scrolling banners and graphics even too garish for Fox News as he tells his viewers they could have had him handling the bad situation of the hour but Crooked Hillary ruined it for them.


In other words, he would have ripped this country apart regardless of the outcome of the election.
2018-01-03 02:23:14 PM  
12 votes:
Has anyone asked whether this is fan-fiction, when it explains exactly how the reporting was done at the bottom of the article?
2018-01-03 02:08:15 PM  
12 votes:

SirEattonHogg: [img.fark.net image 850x478]

Whether he wants to be there or not, he's there.


Fact.

 He's there for another 3 more years.

Speculation.
2018-01-03 02:08:02 PM  
12 votes:
I made a post last January basically predicting he'd hate the job because it was a 40 hour per day job, and he'd be overwhelmed with work, and people would be screaming at him all the time, and those would be the people actually trying to help him. His winning was the worst thing that could happen to us, and it was also the worst thing that could happen to him. Small comfort.
2018-01-03 02:00:52 PM  
12 votes:
The moment the last few weeks of the election campaign they started talking more about TrumpTV than anything else it was obvious what the plan was. Hell, I can see his disgusting face smugly smirking over scrolling banners and graphics even too garish for Fox News as he tells his viewers they could have had him handling the bad situation of the hour but Crooked Hillary ruined it for them.
2018-01-03 01:41:25 PM  
12 votes:

StrikitRich: [scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com image 480x480]

Like FARK, The New Yorker must have just been re-stocked.


this is what happens when the seriously disturbed folks have access to the internets.
what is even more terrifying is they vote and think mad max and the handmaids tale are how-to guides for humans.
2018-01-03 01:38:23 PM  
12 votes:
I hope every day is a fresh hell of regret and unhapp
2018-01-03 01:31:51 PM  
12 votes:

Snapper Carr: I wouldn't think any less of him* if he chose to resign.

*I am in fact, incapable of thinking any less of him so...


That would leave Pence in charge. Not sure you've thought your cunning plan all the way through here.
2018-01-03 04:28:37 PM  
11 votes:

Ivo Shandor: [s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com image 500x326]


I will forever remember this picture.  That whole day sucked on ice, but it was really the beginning of something a bit bigger than all of us.  The right was laughing and enjoying their 'win' with the help of Russia, the Left was reforming and getting pissed, and the Third-Way Democrats were even planning on going full force against Trump.  And then Dickie Spencer the White Supremacist got punched and everything went full tilt boogie.

How will this end?  A strong American Left for the first time in a hundred years thanks to a mismanaged and exploited capitalism?  Trump's entire life destroyed as everybody gives him the attention he doesn't want, sifting through his problematic rise and fall to reveal he's just a crummy Russian money launderer?  The right-wing exposing their bullshiat to be really a cult mentality of 'we do what the TV tells us' and shiatting in the face of Jesus whenever they get a chance?  And America, glorious America, being kicked out of the position of sole superpower because we can no longer be trusted....and it being the entire fault of every single stupid motherfarker who voted for Trump, and how they will never be able to live that down.

We spun the wheel, folks, and now....things get really weird.  But in a way, I think this unfolded the way it should have.  The cycle could only go on for so long.  And now, things change.  Who knows how everything will rumble out.
2018-01-03 04:21:38 PM  
11 votes:

dywed88: Palined Parenthood: If he he didn't want to win, then why did his campaign break so many laws?

He wanted to win because of his ego not accepting anything else. He didn't want to be President.


(sigh) He wanted the title. He doesn't want the job.

Politics bore him. You can tell. Some moron (or some opportunist, probably Gollum or Skeletor) told him politics is like professional wrestling or a reality show. It isn't. So he has a job he hates and millions (maybe billions) of people who farking hate him and don't have a problem saying it out loud every single day, instead of the crowds of adoring morons who cheered when he was running. The crowds of adoring morons are still there, but vastly outnumbered by the people who hate him. This shiat isn't pretending or playacting, like his stupid wrestling appearances or his stupid reality show. People REALLY farking hate him.

It's eating him up from the inside out. Good. If Obama reacted like that to criticism, he'd have aged 20 years in the time he was president. The current farkface in Chief has aged more than that in a year.
2018-01-03 03:40:11 PM  
11 votes:

Palined Parenthood: If he he didn't want to win, then why did his campaign break so many laws?


Incompetence
2018-01-03 03:22:22 PM  
11 votes:

RoomFullOfMonkeys: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

So because some people live in the middle of nowhere you think their votes should count more than those of people who live where the jobs are?


And who seem to be so resentful of the people who left to find something better that they're willing to vote for someone who promised them that the jobs they used to have would come back, when all available objective evidence suggests that they won't?

Moreover, I'm not understanding how 'flyover' country would be forgotten.  If Obama's (or HRC or any Dems) ideas about a stimulus package had been given greater consideration in Congress, you can be sure that some of the most needy areas in flyover country would have benefitted.  Dems are committed to making sure the ACA is improved; how wouldn't that help the opiate epidemic in IN as well as in PA or ME?  Dems tend to support legislation that helps the many, regardless of what area of the country in which they live.  Talk about being ignored - let's talk about the tax bill which benefits the wealthy who predominately live in the so-called blue states. JFC on a cracker!

/There is no reason for the EC in this day and age
//One person, one vote, period
///People, not Land
2018-01-03 03:20:22 PM  
11 votes:

Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


"Counties" don't vote. People do. I don't agree with, or give two wet farts about how the people of Anchorage, Alaska, vote, but because I live in Alaska, my vote is thrown away as my state's EC votes go where Anchorage's voters go. How about stop caring what "land" wants and care for what the voters want?
2018-01-03 03:06:33 PM  
11 votes:

durbnpoisn: [img.fark.net image 500x375]


Really...  At any point, Trump can resign and walk away from this thing.  No one would think any less of him.  In fact, he would probably be hailed as a hero.

You hear that, Trump?  There is a chance that you can walk away from this and people will actually like you for it.  If you continue the path of pretending that everything is fine, while burning down the world around you, you will go down in history as a disgraced buffoon.


He can't walk away. He appears to be in legal trouble and if he's just an average citizen he'll have no power to control or shape the investigation, no power to pardon his family members that might get ensnared, and he'll have no bully pulpit to speak from.
2018-01-03 03:00:35 PM  
11 votes:

Yellow Beard: I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.


YOU SHOULD READ ABOUT POPULATION DENSITY.
PLEASE.
2018-01-03 02:57:39 PM  
11 votes:
Yellow Beard:
Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

(wanking motion)

You know that means nothing, right? LOL.

In case you are so dim you don't know that, "counties won" is a meaningless metric that stupid fark Trump bragged about, temporarily, to make getting fewer votes than Clinton sound OK. He couldn't make the "millions of illegals voted" horseshiat stick, so he (or more likely one of his soulless minions, since he's not so good with the thinking) came up with the "counties" talking point.

It's like bragging about how many windows your car has, or debating tastes great vs. less filling.

Another data point that proves Republicans are the stupidest people on earth. The feeble pimping of weak shiat like this is, well, to use the biggest word the president actually knows the definition of: sad.
2018-01-03 02:49:04 PM  
11 votes:

Yellow Beard: Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


Is there some reason the individual citizens should be counted less because they're in more populous counties? Because fark that noise.
2018-01-03 02:39:13 PM  
11 votes:

hubcity: The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.

Read the story. It's basically a psychotic break that occurred a few hours after the election was called. Life gave him shiat, he decided to make shiat-ade.


His base isn't actually poor. They are middle class to wealthy, uneducated people. Think plumbing contractors. not broke ass rednecks.
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2018-01-03 02:10:46 PM  
11 votes:

The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.


It's not that he wants to be president now, it's just the only way he can stay out of prison for a little while longer.

As soon as he's out of that office, NY is going to unseal their indictment, and I'm betting that, given his properties in multiple countries and available transportation assets (including private planes that are capable of reaching Russia or other countries that won't extradite), there's pretty much no chance he's going to get bail.

If he leaves office alive (which is a pretty big if considering his health) there's nothing that's going to keep him from going to prison for the rest of his life.
2018-01-03 01:50:23 PM  
11 votes:

Officer Barrelroll: He might be my new favorite artist.

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This one is my favorite:

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This is what an unhinged crazy person looks like.
MFK
2018-01-03 01:46:58 PM  
11 votes:

xanadian: That "news article" reads like fan fiction.

For example:  did Murdock REALLY say "what a f*cking idiot"?  And to whom?  And who else heard it?  Was that really reported to someone?  Or are we just speculation as to what went on behind the scenes?


it's not breitbart. it's the New Yorker. I'm pretty sure that they know that you can't just make shiat up and publish it.
2018-01-03 01:43:42 PM  
11 votes:

Archidude: FortyHams: Sounds like they're going to have to completely redo the presidential bedroom after he leaves.

Tearing down the steel and concrete barrier that Melania had built down the center of the bed is going to be difficult.


According to the article they're the first couple since Kennedy to sleep in separate rooms. The difference being that JFK's room was too full of young women and Trump's is just full of big mac wrappers and dirty clothes.
2018-01-03 05:03:42 PM  
10 votes:

OregonVet: shroom: OregonVet: LOL. <bunch of derp>

/off topic- but defending Franken, REALLY? Gotdamn hippos.

I'll happily defend Franken to the extent that the only thing that's been demonstrated with any level of evidence is that he took a crude photo with a Playboy model while working as a comedian before ever running for any public office.  It's certainly possible that he did more than that, but the evidence surrounding the claims, as well as the timing thereof, is all fishy as shiat.

So I can grab your tits while you're asleep and as long as I'm smiling in the photo and claim I was just being funny, it's only crude, right? Good to know. Have to remember that the next time I just can't resist assaulting someone for the lulz in case I end up before a judge.....


He's pretending to grab her tits in the photo.  Like I said, crude, stupid (since he knew he was running by that point), but absent any other non-imaginary charges, hardly grounds for dismissal over a decade later when the victim has already publicly accepted the apology.
2018-01-03 03:31:11 PM  
10 votes:
From Trump's respone-

Steve Bannon has nothing to do with me or my Presidency. When he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind. Steve was a staffer who worked for me after I had already won the nomination by defeating seventeen candidates, often described as the most talented field ever assembled in the Republican party.

Thatbunch of in-bred ass clowns?  Thatwas the most talented field ever assembled for the Republican party?
2018-01-03 03:09:46 PM  
10 votes:

fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.


Please provide some examples of how the population centers will "sell out" "fly over country". WTF does that even mean?
2018-01-03 02:57:51 PM  
10 votes:
the media was talking about him wandering around the White House in his bathrobe, which "I don't have because I've never worn a bathrobe. And would never wear one, because I'm not that kind of guy."


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2018-01-03 02:57:23 PM  
10 votes:

J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: Brave Man Person: Priapetic: Whether the precise details are correct or not, the overall idea that Trump did not actually want to win is spot on.  A colleague referred to Trump' win as the dog who caught the car and is now thinking, "Uh oh, now what?"  Just look at how late he started on the process of filling key positions, and how many are still to be appointed.  How the RNC allowed this to happen is beyond comprehension.  Noting speaks more eloquently of the total dysfunction of the Republican party than Trump's election.

Nothing speaks more to the dysfunction of the Democrats than Trump's Victory.

This is better than the Bad News Bears winning the World Series.

It's Revenge of the Nerds with ACTUAL nuclear weapons. OMG this is hands down the most hysterically funny thing that's ever happened in my lifetime.

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Yeah, Trump threating a nuclear war that would kill millions and using the weapons as a dick analogy is the height of hilarity.


Remember how these pathetic asswipes would bleat and shiat themselves when Obama misspoke?
2018-01-03 02:56:37 PM  
10 votes:

machoprogrammer: The point is, he said, that that very day, he had saved $700 million a year in jobs that were going to Mexico, but the media was talking about him wandering around the White House in his bathrobe, which "I don't have because I've never worn a bathrobe. And would never wear one, because I'm not that kind of guy."

Thank god for that


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2018-01-03 02:49:47 PM  
10 votes:

Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


Counties don't vote, people do
2018-01-03 02:41:52 PM  
10 votes:
Zeke The Octopus:
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So you're saying that we shouldn't hate Racists, Bigots and Homophobes and call them out when we see them?

Thanks, but I'll stick with Democrats.
2018-01-03 02:15:43 PM  
10 votes:

Harlee: koinbahd: El_Perro: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x412]

http://thehill.com/homenews/administra​tion/367253-trump-bannon-has-lost-his-​mind

Holy shiat that's real?!?!

Seeing it multiple places.


You know it is bad when a full year in people are asking if that is real in every thread.
We are approaching peak stupid very rapidly.
2018-01-03 02:02:31 PM  
10 votes:
I got about halfway through and closed it. All it does is reaffirm that people are shiatbags for electing this idiot.
2018-01-03 01:43:17 PM  
10 votes:

The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.


Read the story. It's basically a psychotic break that occurred a few hours after the election was called. Life gave him shiat, he decided to make shiat-ade.
2018-01-03 09:05:35 PM  
9 votes:
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2018-01-03 03:40:26 PM  
9 votes:

kindms: DarkVader: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

That's complete idiocy.

If you eliminate the electoral college, EVERY vote counts, from everywhere in the country.  It eliminates presidential elections being about landmass, and makes them about humans.  A vote in Podunk Idaho counts exactly the same as a vote in the Bronx.

Right now, that vote in the Bronx doesn't mean much.  And that deplorable's vote in Podunk counts for a whole lot more than it should.

If it hadn't been for the electoral college, not only would Drumpf not have been president, the margin would have been a lot bigger than 3 million votes because there would not have been the incentive to stay home and let somebody else bother that there was in states like NY and CA.

/We also need preference voting, to remove the concept of votes for third parties being spoilers.

and you just showed that you have no qualms about the tyranny of the majority. What you have done is basically made every minority and protected class person subject to the majority rule. Perhaps you should ...


You mean the candidate with the most votes winning?  The way literally every other election in America works?  We're geting tryanny now with the electoral college, and it definitely ain't from the farking majority.
2018-01-03 03:23:17 PM  
9 votes:
I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?
MFK
2018-01-03 03:17:19 PM  
9 votes:
jesus, this article seems to have brought a ton of assholes out of the woodwork to deflect and threadshiat. Must be a little too close to the mark to require an all hands on deck response
2018-01-03 03:06:42 PM  
9 votes:
About the author.

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However,


FWIW: The several times I saw Wolff at the White House, he was cleared-in with a blue 'appointment" badge allowing West Wing access, rather than a gray "press" badge.

- Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) January 3, 2018


So he may be prone to exaggeration but he did have more access than most. And we know the folks Trump surrounds himself with are not particuarly media savvy when it comes to on/off the record and speaking on background. I suspect the meat of the story is true while some of the anecdotes are highly polished.
2018-01-03 03:01:05 PM  
9 votes:
Right wing twitter is trying out "The left loves Bannon now". Nah, biatch, take them both down.
2018-01-03 02:57:09 PM  
9 votes:
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Really...  At any point, Trump can resign and walk away from this thing.  No one would think any less of him.  In fact, he would probably be hailed as a hero.

You hear that, Trump?  There is a chance that you can walk away from this and people will actually like you for it.  If you continue the path of pretending that everything is fine, while burning down the world around you, you will go down in history as a disgraced buffoon.
2018-01-03 02:30:34 PM  
9 votes:
Trump previously claimed that Manafort, who was in charge of his campaign, had very little to do with the campaign. Now he's claiming that Bannon, who replaced Manafort, was a late arrival, and just "a staffer", who had little to do with his election win or his presidency.

Seems legit.
2018-01-03 02:28:21 PM  
9 votes:

fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.


So because some people live in the middle of nowhere you think their votes should count more than those of people who live where the jobs are?
2018-01-03 02:07:01 PM  
9 votes:

Mad Scientist: Drumpf, in fact, found the White House to be vexing and even a little scary. He retreated to his own bedroom - the first time since the Kennedy White House that a presidential couple had maintained separate rooms. In the first days, he ordered two television screens in addition to the one already there, and a lock on the door, precipitating a brief standoff with the Secret Service, who insisted they have access to the room. He reprimanded the housekeeping staff for picking up his shirt from the floor: "If my shirt is on the floor, it's because I want it on the floor." Then he imposed a set of new rules: Nobody touch anything, especially not his toothbrush. (He had a longtime fear of being poisoned, one reason why he liked to eat at McDonald's - nobody knew he was coming and the food was safely premade.) Also, he would let housekeeping know when he wanted his sheets done, and he would strip his own bed.

What a farking weirdo.
/this country is so boned.


Sooooooo he still wets the bed. Got it.
2018-01-03 02:05:46 PM  
9 votes:
This explains why the victorious deplorables are such miserable coonts.
2018-01-03 01:59:39 PM  
9 votes:

The Goddamn Batman: Everybody in his rich-guy social circle knew about his wide-ranging ignorance. Early in the campaign, Sam Nunberg was sent to explain the Constitution to the candidate. "I got as far as the Fourth Amendment," Nunberg recalled, "before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head."

Jesus F*cking Christ.


There's no way he was doing it sequentially if Trump made it a all the way to the Bill of Rights.
2018-01-03 01:55:13 PM  
9 votes:
Christ onna crutch, this is NEWS?

Trump never wanted the JOB. He just wanted the adulation and attention that came with winning the popularity contest...even if he had to hack the electoral college to do so.

He's made his point. He "won".
Now, How about he please turn the job over to someone who is capable of actually DOING it (Not so fast there, Mike Pence, et al) and we'll all just pretend it never happened?
2018-01-03 01:43:18 PM  
9 votes:
So he committed treason and colluded too well?  And accidentally got himself elected?
2018-01-03 01:34:46 PM  
9 votes:

steklo: Seriously, why would anyone in their right mind ever want to become president?


No one in his right mind did.
2018-01-03 01:33:12 PM  
9 votes:

StrikitRich: [scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com image 480x480]

Like FARK, The New Yorker must have just been re-stocked.


That would make a pretty shiatty gun oil. Don't alt-right derps know shiat about guns?
2018-01-03 01:21:36 PM  
9 votes:
Sounds like they're going to have to completely redo the presidential bedroom after he leaves.
2018-01-03 07:26:56 PM  
8 votes:
Jesus tittyfarking Christ, I finally read the linked article. (sigh) I believe every word. It explains a lot (though the revelations didn't surprise me as much as they confirmed my worst imaginings). This:

Here, arguably, was the central issue of the Trump presidency, informing every aspect of Trumpian policy and leadership: He didn't process information in any conventional sense. He didn't read. He didn't really even skim. Some believed that for all practical purposes he was no more than semi-literate. He trusted his own expertise - no matter how paltry or irrelevant - more than anyone else's. He was often confident, but he was just as often paralyzed, less a savant than a figure of sputtering and dangerous insecurities, whose instinctive response was to lash out and behave as if his gut, however confused, was in fact in some clear and forceful way telling him what to do. It was, said Walsh, "like trying to figure out what a child wants."

Is farking appalling.

Republicans are the stupidest people on earth. fark them forever for voting for this worthless asshole. They should never be allowed to make any important decision ever again.
2018-01-03 05:35:28 PM  
8 votes:

KarmicDisaster: LibertyHiller: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

True, but you get there in 11 states; given that EC representation lags behind actual population by anywhere from two to 10 years, that's not terribly unbalanced.

There are good reasons to reform or do away with the EC, but yours is not anywhere close to making the list.

That is where Trump appointing a trumper-nutbag to run the census is going to come in.


^^^^^^^^^  This is a story that has gotten WAY too little coverage.  The Census is happening in 2020, impeachment or not, Democratic Congress or not.  And it's more than likely happening with Trump's people running the show.
2018-01-03 05:24:08 PM  
8 votes:

Yellow Beard: Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


PEOPLE should decide, not empty land.  When you talk about "85% of the country" you are talking about 85% of the land in the US, not the people.
2018-01-03 05:04:31 PM  
8 votes:

Peter_B_Risen: Yup, the electoral college isn't perfect.  But you basically have two cultures in this nation today, urban and rural.  You take away the EC, you give all of the power of one of those cultures.  It will never happen.  Get over it.


I'm OK with this. Urban areas are by and large progressive. Rural areas are stuck in the 1950s. Sick of that shiat.
2018-01-03 04:00:16 PM  
8 votes:

Tomahawk513: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

I used to think the EC was a good idea, but I have a harder and harder time justifying it.  I can't come up with a good explanation for why the vote of someone in a rural community should count more than a vote of someone in an urban community.  For that matter, why is representation assigned to states and not just geographical areas, at least in the House?  Why should Wyoming, with its population of just over 500,000 get its own House Representative when the average constituency size per Rep is 750,000?  That's more representation!  Why?  How could that be considered Democratic?


The EC was a good idea for a 19th century agrarian country. It was also a necessity to placate slaveholders in the South (due to the 3/5ths compromise) and to avoid a political battle in how the President should be selected (by the people or by state government).

But it is obsolete. While there are some imbalances, the EC is fairly evenly distributed based on population. The problem is that it effectively disenfranchises a large minority of each state.

And, no it doesn't protect rural areas or small states. Nobody gives a damn about Wyoming, the smallest state, but everyone cares about Florida, one of the biggest states.

The thing that matters is the balance of politics in the states. In California the EC disenfranchises most rural residents while in Alabama it disenfranchises most urban residents.

Yeah, you would get more people campaigning in Texas and California, but people still cant ignore other states and Democrats campaigning in Alabama and Republicans in Washington now matter.

The large battleground states (ie florida) would lose the most while the small one party state stand to gain the most, since you generally are doing some stuff in the big partisan states anyway.
2018-01-03 03:38:43 PM  
8 votes:
Jeebus Farktarded Christ on a pogo stick.  Just when I think America can't be any more farked, another layer of ooze slides off the "Trump Administration" and I gag at the putrid reek of what's revealed.  I've never loathed another person this much.
2018-01-03 03:38:14 PM  
8 votes:

fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.



"Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong."

Its the opposite. How much serious attention did either team give to those markets?
Zero.
Because they were known outcomes. No one had to waste any money in those regions campaigning.

The places that get the most attention are a few mid-population counties in specific states that can actually result in a swing of that state.

Get rid of the EC?
EVERY VOTE MATTERS.
The guy in Cambridge MA has his vote count just as much as the guy in Tulsa OK or the guy in Jacksonville FL.

They HAVE to campaign everywhere.

As for the 15% county remark that someone else made....
Those were, for the most part, the wealthy counties.

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2018-01-03 03:30:59 PM  
8 votes:
I said this months ago - I may even have  posted it to fark: winning was the *worst* possible result. My take: he originally decided to run for sheer ego... and because he hoped he could gain enough political leverage to kill the FBI investigations into money laundering and tax evasion. Y'know, like the way his lawyer came to the NYC DA, and made a $25k "donation" to his reelection campaign, and suddenly, completely unrelated, the DA told his staff to drop the almost-ready-to-file-charges against Jared and Ivanka for fraud.

Then he started winning primaries, and his ego kicked in. And he hated the "older" money, because they considered him nouveau riche, and a creep, and a jerk.. So he pushed... but kept expecting to not get the nomination. When he did, his ego overrode what sense he had.

And over the summer, there was an interview where he was complaining that he hated the job, he couldn't drive, *everyyhing* was inside a security cocoon, and he couldn't just pay people off... because he's under a microscope. And he's surely getting grief (and fewer lays) from Melania, who hates it all, for the same reasons.
2018-01-03 03:09:41 PM  
8 votes:

Archidude: FortyHams: Sounds like they're going to have to completely redo the presidential bedroom after he leaves.

Tearing down the steel and concrete barrier that Melania had built down the center of the bed is going to be difficult.


Nope. From the article: "He retreated to his own bedroom - the first time since the Kennedy White House that a presidential couple had maintained separate rooms."

Even his own wife can't stand him.
2018-01-03 02:52:48 PM  
8 votes:

fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.


And look what happened.
2018-01-03 02:47:03 PM  
8 votes:
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No, Andrew Breitbart would be snorting cocaine.
2018-01-03 02:31:01 PM  
8 votes:
I dislike Donald Trump as a person and think that many of his political decisions are badly informed and short sighted.
2018-01-03 02:24:59 PM  
8 votes:

SamFlagg: Harlee: Snapper Carr: I wouldn't think any less of him* if he chose to resign.

*I am in fact, incapable of thinking any less of him so...

That would leave Pence in charge. Not sure you've thought your cunning plan all the way through here.

I'm pretty sure that not having to worry about nuclear destruction every time North Korea says mean things is worth having Pence.

It's not like Trump isn't advancing all of the worst parts of a Pence presidency anyway.


Except that Pence, being an evangelical, looks forward to Armageddon as a fulfillment of prophecy.
2018-01-03 01:54:20 PM  
8 votes:
Theres a doins-a-transprining, and I got a feeling now that we are back from Christmas/New Years its time to release the Kraken.
2018-01-03 01:24:26 PM  
8 votes:
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2018-01-03 05:53:56 PM  
7 votes:

jst3p: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

She won the majority of the votes. That's supposed to be how democracy works.

The EC was created to ensure that a populist demagogue couldn't dupe the population into electing a snake-oil salesman. It has failed at its only job.


Yes and no.  The electoral college was nominally meant to do that but it's real purpose was to ensure slave states got enough votes to prevent abolition.
2018-01-03 04:09:59 PM  
7 votes:

stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.


Required viewing for anyone who still believes in the EC.

The Trouble with the Electoral College
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2018-01-03 03:49:09 PM  
7 votes:

jst3p: Yellow Beard: Mechanicum: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Counties don't vote, people do

I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.

85% of "counties" is not in any way equivocal to 85% of the people. The government represents the people. Why are you having such a hard time comprehending this?


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2018-01-03 03:38:16 PM  
7 votes:

kindms: DarkVader: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

That's complete idiocy.

If you eliminate the electoral college, EVERY vote counts, from everywhere in the country.  It eliminates presidential elections being about landmass, and makes them about humans.  A vote in Podunk Idaho counts exactly the same as a vote in the Bronx.

Right now, that vote in the Bronx doesn't mean much.  And that deplorable's vote in Podunk counts for a whole lot more than it should.

If it hadn't been for the electoral college, not only would Drumpf not have been president, the margin would have been a lot bigger than 3 million votes because there would not have been the incentive to stay home and let somebody else bother that there was in states like NY and CA.

/We also need preference voting, to remove the concept of votes for third parties being spoilers.

and you just showed that you have no qualms about the tyranny of the majority. What you have done is basically made every minority and protected class person subject to the majority rule. Perhaps you should ...


You'd have a point if the party that won a minority of votes wasn't also the one oppressing minorities.  Maybe we need more of this "tyranny of the majority"?  Seemed to work out well for Gay Marriage, Abortion, Trans-rights, refugees, immigrants, racial minorities, women... Wow, you know, seems like the only group for which "tyranny of the majority" isn't beneficial (necessarily) is white men.  Huh.
d23 [BareFark]
2018-01-03 03:18:00 PM  
7 votes:

Markoff_Cheney: kliq: I put the right wing derp radio and Steve Bannon is now worse than Hillary. This is farking hilarious.

Those hyenas sure do turn on their own in a heartbeat.


There are no ideas. Only the tribe.
2018-01-03 03:12:48 PM  
7 votes:
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2018-01-03 03:08:06 PM  
7 votes:

The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.


As a fark you to the assholes who elected him. Sorry America, but you've become a Ponzi scheme of assholes being assholes to other assholes. The brown hole system, as I call it.
2018-01-03 02:16:44 PM  
7 votes:

Zeke The Octopus: Proof positive he wasn't the man America wanted. He was the man America needed. Molloch be damned! Meme magic has saved us from the demons! PRAISE KEK, BRINGER OF CHAOS AND DANK MEMES!

You realize we're not only in the best timeline, we're inside a Bill Murray movie! It's Stipes meets Ghostbusters meets Caddy shack meets Oliver Stone!

/Somewhere in upstate New York, in a secluded woods, Hillary Clinton has read this article and, after a psychotic break involving kidnapping her neighbor's Golden Retreiver, is busying herself kicking the piss out of its kidneys shreiking in rage and cursing the day she was born.


farking kids today. Kek and bullshiat. I worshiped Eris before it was cool. All hail Discordia, motherfarkers.

... I just realized I'm a chaos hipster.
2018-01-03 01:55:46 PM  
7 votes:
So this means that Fox News and Brietbart are now at war???

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2018-01-03 01:43:12 PM  
7 votes:

Snatch Bandergrip: 5 years ago, I wrote a spec pilot for a writing class in which a wildly ignorant, irresponsible, corrupt congressman tries to sabotage his own presidential campaign, but it backfires because the American people are so farking dumb that his polls go up with every idiotic, disgusting move.

I wrote that shiat five years ago.


The Mouse That Roared.
2018-01-03 01:30:46 PM  
7 votes:

Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face


Everyone gets that look. The job ages people. It's like Moses coming down the mountain after having stood in the presence of God. Each year as President is like 4 in normal years.
2018-01-03 01:30:19 PM  
7 votes:

FortyHams: Sounds like they're going to have to completely redo the presidential bedroom after he leaves.


I'd call in Hazmat teams if it was up to me.
2018-01-03 01:30:07 PM  
7 votes:
The official presidential seal:

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2018-01-03 01:24:55 PM  
7 votes:
F*cking duh.
2018-01-03 06:08:09 PM  
6 votes:
Trump's plan was to reach the 5th round and throw the game because he doesn't care about the title. He has already made dealings and plans which would benefited him and his empire tremendously by doing just that.

Unbeknowst to him, his opponent choke in the middle of the 5th thus making him an extremely bitter and spiteful winner. He has been a very very angry and a very reluctant title holder ever since. He can't give the title back nor revert even if he wants to because the original deal has since been forsaken and gone.
He is now left with nothing but a useless title and a belt whom he sees and hates everyday and takes it out on everyone and everything.

That is the POTUS we have today.
2018-01-03 05:52:23 PM  
6 votes:

Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


Again, and I guess we are going to have to repeat this for the slow people, LAND SHOULD NOT GET A VOTE YOU MATH-CHALLENGED IDIOT
2018-01-03 04:31:22 PM  
6 votes:

kindms: DarkVader: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

That's complete idiocy.

If you eliminate the electoral college, EVERY vote counts, from everywhere in the country.  It eliminates presidential elections being about landmass, and makes them about humans.  A vote in Podunk Idaho counts exactly the same as a vote in the Bronx.

Right now, that vote in the Bronx doesn't mean much.  And that deplorable's vote in Podunk counts for a whole lot more than it should.

If it hadn't been for the electoral college, not only would Drumpf not have been president, the margin would have been a lot bigger than 3 million votes because there would not have been the incentive to stay home and let somebody else bother that there was in states like NY and CA.

/We also need preference voting, to remove the concept of votes for third parties being spoilers.

and you just showed that you have no qualms about the tyranny of the majority. What you have done is basically made every minority and protected class person subject to the majority rule. Perhaps you should ...


Now THAT is sheer idiocy.  I said nothing about abolishing individual rights, I would generally prefer to strengthen them.  I said nothing about protections for minority groups, again I would prefer to strengthen them.

But what we have now is a tyranny of the minority, some people have more vote than others, and they've forced a moron lunatic criminal on the rest of us.

The electoral college, which was in theory supposed to be a safety valve against this sort of thing, has failed utterly at that job.  It was a bad idea when it was devised, it was never an adequate means to accomplish that task, and it's long since outlived its usefulness.  It's time for it to go.

And if I were designing a government from scratch, I would never have a single president in the first place.  I'd probably come up with something like a council of 10 co-presidents, each with a single 10 year term, with one changing every year.  Any law would require the signature of 6, any executive order or military action 8, and any use of nuclear weapons would require all 10 to be unanimous.  A tie would be the equivalent of a veto.

I'd district the country, one person one vote, with computer drawn districts to prevent gerrymandering, and without regard to state lines, a 500 person house and a 100 person senate, and preference voting for all offices to try to break the entire concept of a two-party system.

But without redesigning the whole thing, the best step we can take now is to push for the elimination of the electoral college.  It isn't useful, it gives us demonstrably bad results (not just Drumpf, if it hadn't been for the EC, Legitimate President Gore would have taken office in 2001, there would never have been a question of him winning Florida (he did, but by the time somebody did a full recount it was too late), and we'd have avoided this perpetual war), and it needs to go.
2018-01-03 04:26:41 PM  
6 votes:
FTA: "Early in the campaign, Sam Nunberg was sent to explain the Constitution to the candidate. "I got as far as the Fourth Amendment," Nunberg recalled, "before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head."

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That the potential president of the United States - or any person that calls themselves an American citizen that has completed second grade - should need this explained to them should scare people more than it seems to now. A lot more.
2018-01-03 04:05:57 PM  
6 votes:

stir22: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?

They're stupid.

Nope, that's not it.  They despise Trump, make no mistake about it.

They just despise Hillary more.


They're stupid. No nuancing that. They're straight-up farking stupid.
2018-01-03 03:56:41 PM  
6 votes:

iheartscotch: The Notorious HRC took a dive....


That might just be the biggest long con in this whole shiatshow.

HRC knew she could win, she had the popular vote, and 3 swing states were each decided by a few thousand votes each (and Mueller is taking a hard look at those states).

HRC can't stand Trump; has hated him for years.  She wants to be the 1st woman president, but decides Two Scoops has overplayed his hand, and she'd rather see him go down - along with his spawn - than win the election.  She knows that once he becomes Prez, everything about his life is open to scrutiny, and she has no doubt there are hundreds of skeletons in the closet.

She loses, still makes a few mil with her book, and has the Clinton Foundation as a backup.  Meanwhile, D2C is way over his head, and he's taking the GOP down with him.  In Nov., Congress turns blue and Trump is a lame duck until 2020, if he's not outright impeached before then.

This could be HRC's payback to the GOP for 30 years of hatred and unfounded investigations.
2018-01-03 03:19:15 PM  
6 votes:

Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


So a plurality of voters should be ignored because they aren't spread out over enough land area and a minority of voters should decide who is president because they are scattered to hell and back?
2018-01-03 03:05:20 PM  
6 votes:

fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.


If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.
Azz [TotalFark]
2018-01-03 02:59:03 PM  
6 votes:

Yellow Beard: Mechanicum: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Counties don't vote, people do

I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.


You still don't get it. You're a lost cause.
2018-01-03 02:57:49 PM  
6 votes:

Yellow Beard: Mechanicum: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Counties don't vote, people do

I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.


Oh the old "California chose Hillary" bullshiat.

I love how this never gets old.
2018-01-03 02:52:40 PM  
6 votes:

machoprogrammer: The point is, he said, that that very day, he had saved $700 million a year in jobs that were going to Mexico, but the media was talking about him wandering around the White House in his bathrobe, which "I don't have because I've never worn a bathrobe. And would never wear one, because I'm not that kind of guy."

Thank god for that


He also lied about saving jobs from going to Mexico, dude. Don't put too much stock in his leisurewear statements.
Azz [TotalFark]
2018-01-03 02:46:56 PM  
6 votes:

Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


Trump won all the counties where cows outnumber people. Whoop-de-doo
2018-01-03 02:30:33 PM  
6 votes:

The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.


I think this snippet answers your question.

But still to come was the final transformation: Suddenly, Donald Trump became a man who believed that he deserved to be, and was wholly capable of being, the president of the United States.
2018-01-03 02:27:20 PM  
6 votes:

Markoff_Cheney: Watching the trolls in this thread trying to throw anything at the wall hoping something will stick is a bit sad, a bit hilarious.


I like to take their usernames and search on Google to see what their post history looks like. If their account is 5+ years old, but only has 1-2 pages on google, it's probably a bot that hijacked a dead account.

Try it: Google "username" "fark" and you can see. Maybe try it on the person 2 posts below yours talking about the tax plan. Less than a page of posts before slobbing on Trump's knob.
2018-01-03 02:14:34 PM  
6 votes:

Snatch Bandergrip: 5 years ago, I wrote a spec pilot for a writing class in which a wildly ignorant, irresponsible, corrupt congressman tries to sabotage his own presidential campaign, but it backfires because the American people are so farking dumb that his polls go up with every idiotic, disgusting move.

I wrote that shiat five years ago.


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2018-01-03 02:09:11 PM  
6 votes:
Holy shiat I just stumbled upon this article, been stuck in other threads about yesterday's shiatstorm and some of today's.
My liver may not survive the day.
2018-01-03 02:08:46 PM  
6 votes:

Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.


I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.
2018-01-03 01:58:48 PM  
6 votes:

kliq: So this means that Fox News and Brietbart are now at war???

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2018-01-03 01:48:09 PM  
6 votes:

Snapper Carr: I wouldn't think any less of him* if he chose to resign.

*I am in fact, incapable of thinking any less of him so...


I would in fact respect him more if he did and said something like "I am resigning because I am woefully unprepared for this responsibility"

Of course there is no way he would do that
2018-01-03 01:44:05 PM  
6 votes:
I kept making jokes about a lucky monkey having a better shot than Hillary, now here we are, and the monkey doesn't want the job.
2018-01-03 01:28:30 PM  
6 votes:
Yup, somebody called the Oval Office the "crown jewel of federal penal system" Trump has learned how accurate that is.
2018-01-03 05:27:40 PM  
5 votes:

Peter_B_Risen: whidbey: Peter_B_Risen: Yup, the electoral college isn't perfect.  But you basically have two cultures in this nation today, urban and rural.  You take away the EC, you give all of the power of one of those cultures.  It will never happen.  Get over it.

I'm OK with this. Urban areas are by and large progressive. Rural areas are stuck in the 1950s. Sick of that shiat.

Maybe so.  But they still have the right to be represented at the highest level.  Without the EC, it would never happen.


LOL, you're doing a great job of convincing us that the electoral college needs to be gotten rid of. Well done.
2018-01-03 05:10:54 PM  
5 votes:

thatguyoverthere70: toraque: thatguyoverthere70: That was a very entertaining read. I'm sure Trump will enjoy finding out that his daughter makes fun of his combover behind his back.

He'll never find out.  I doubt there's anyone within the White House that would be willing to read it to him.

I think he'll find out. This is the kind of thing he actually cares about. He doesn't care how much ink is printed talking about how he's inexperienced and ill informed and unprepared. I think that stuff doesn't faze him in the least.

People's approval and what they think of him is what really gets him. I think he'll read this and...
1. Daughter telling everyone he's bald
2. "Golf face"
3. Separate bedrooms
...are going to be the things that genuinely hurt him. Ivanka is literally going to be the last person by his side when everyone else has abandoned him, and if even she's making fun of him behind his back, that has to hurt.


This. He doesn't give a fark about being stupid, because he's stupid. Stupid people think shiat they don't understand (which is most shiat) is unimportant.

The shiat that makes him look old and weak -- ie, accurately reflects reality -- like his farked-up hair and the fact that his wife doesn't fark him anymore because he can't get it up, that's the shiat that will bother him. I don't know what "golf face" is, I haven't read the article yet.

LOL, good.
2018-01-03 05:03:45 PM  
5 votes:

toraque: thatguyoverthere70: That was a very entertaining read. I'm sure Trump will enjoy finding out that his daughter makes fun of his combover behind his back.

He'll never find out.  I doubt there's anyone within the White House that would be willing to read it to him.


I think he'll find out. This is the kind of thing he actually cares about. He doesn't care how much ink is printed talking about how he's inexperienced and ill informed and unprepared. I think that stuff doesn't faze him in the least.

People's approval and what they think of him is what really gets him. I think he'll read this and...
1. Daughter telling everyone he's bald
2. "Golf face"
3. Separate bedrooms
...are going to be the things that genuinely hurt him. Ivanka is literally going to be the last person by his side when everyone else has abandoned him, and if even she's making fun of him behind his back, that has to hurt.
2018-01-03 04:53:44 PM  
5 votes:

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Politics bore him. You can tell. Some moron (or some opportunist, probably Gollum or Skeletor) told him politics is like professional wrestling or a reality show. It isn't. So he has a job he hates and millions (maybe billions) of people who farking hate him and don't have a problem saying it out loud every single day, instead of the crowds of adoring morons who cheered when he was running. The crowds of adoring morons are still there, but vastly outnumbered by the people who hate him.


This is why he keeps holding rallies.  Only way to get a fix.
2018-01-03 04:46:51 PM  
5 votes:
I don't think the GOP wanted to win either . Now they have to govern . It was so much easier just to block  and say "No!" and then to blame everything on Obama and the Democrats .
2018-01-03 04:42:27 PM  
5 votes:

thatguyoverthere70: That was a very entertaining read. I'm sure Trump will enjoy finding out that his daughter makes fun of his combover behind his back.


He'll never find out.  I doubt there's anyone within the White House that would be willing to read it to him.
2018-01-03 04:09:10 PM  
5 votes:

Dewey Fidalgo: Ed Grubermann: Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?

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Off topic, but does anyone know who this happy couple is?   I'd love for someone to interview them now and ask them, "How does it feel to be the poster children for idiocy?".


I'd say they're probably on cloud nine since the libs are sufficiently pissed off. You don't wear a shirt like that unless your main reason for voting for Trump is stigginit.
2018-01-03 04:04:42 PM  
5 votes:

ObscureNameHere: Ooo, can we get that famous inauguration day GIF of the Melania 'face fall'?


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2018-01-03 03:41:34 PM  
5 votes:
I love Love LOVE that Ann Coulter, of all people, has to remind him that he can't just appoint his kids Chief of Staff.
2018-01-03 03:26:59 PM  
5 votes:

Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?


They're stupid.
2018-01-03 03:09:07 PM  
5 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: About the author.

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However,


FWIW: The several times I saw Wolff at the White House, he was cleared-in with a blue 'appointment" badge allowing West Wing access, rather than a gray "press" badge.
- Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) January 3, 2018

So he may be prone to exaggeration but he did have more access than most. And we know the folks Trump surrounds himself with are not particuarly media savvy when it comes to on/off the record and speaking on background. I suspect the meat of the story is true while some of the anecdotes are highly polished.


It's apparently meaty enough to make Drumpf lose his shiat.
2018-01-03 02:54:21 PM  
5 votes:

Brave Man Person: Priapetic: Whether the precise details are correct or not, the overall idea that Trump did not actually want to win is spot on.  A colleague referred to Trump' win as the dog who caught the car and is now thinking, "Uh oh, now what?"  Just look at how late he started on the process of filling key positions, and how many are still to be appointed.  How the RNC allowed this to happen is beyond comprehension.  Noting speaks more eloquently of the total dysfunction of the Republican party than Trump's election.

Nothing speaks more to the dysfunction of the Democrats than Trump's Victory.

This is better than the Bad News Bears winning the World Series.

It's Revenge of the Nerds with ACTUAL nuclear weapons. OMG this is hands down the most hysterically funny thing that's ever happened in my lifetime.

Obligatory video[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/mP8dcZNK​LVQ]


Yeah, Trump threating a nuclear war that would kill millions and using the weapons as a dick analogy is the height of hilarity.
2018-01-03 02:51:40 PM  
5 votes:

FortyHams: I'm reading through twitter on this. The right wing guys are all trying to call the author a liar trying to stir up trouble between Bannon and Trump. Then that dumb fark Leroy Jenkins with his crazy statement and they're all scrambling to pick up the narrative.


Watching turds trying to float before the marching orders are given from Rush or Hannity is pretty farking hilarious.
2018-01-03 02:44:28 PM  
5 votes:
I'm reading through twitter on this. The right wing guys are all trying to call the author a liar trying to stir up trouble between Bannon and Trump. Then that dumb fark Leroy Jenkins with his crazy statement and they're all scrambling to pick up the narrative.
2018-01-03 02:34:24 PM  
5 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Markoff_Cheney: Watching the trolls in this thread trying to throw anything at the wall hoping something will stick is a bit sad, a bit hilarious.

I like to take their usernames and search on Google to see what their post history looks like. If their account is 5+ years old, but only has 1-2 pages on google, it's probably a bot that hijacked a dead account.

Try it: Google "username" "fark" and you can see. Maybe try it on the person 2 posts below yours talking about the tax plan. Less than a page of posts before slobbing on Trump's knob.


I have never tried that, but I can usually guess based on having been here for farking ever and having most of the tards tagged proper.  Bot hijacking makes plenty of sense with all the data breaches lately. 
Not a chance of getting caught stealing someone's twice used login from 2006 compared to stealing money or something.
2018-01-03 02:29:38 PM  
5 votes:

Warthog: Stop a second -- he wants to prove he didn't collude with Russia to win the race.  Wouldn't convincing people that he never wanted to win go a long way towards convincing them he had no reason to collude?  What if this is the story line the White House is now pushing, because being incompetent is embarrassing, but not criminal.


He agreed to run, but that doesn't mean he wanted to win the prize. The Russians would have been happy just tarnishing Hillary's presidency, keep in mind that their twitter bots were going hard on creating a stolen election narrative before his numbers started improving. Trump wanted to be out of this and breaking ground on Trump Tower Moscow by the new year.

When you've made a deal with the Russian mob you don't have the ability to steer where it's going to go. Once their intel officers realized how well the con worked on dullard-Americans, they shifted gears to actually going for the win.
2018-01-03 02:25:37 PM  
5 votes:
FTA - "Steve doesn't represent my base - he's only in it for himself."

Ummmm...pot, meet kettle.
2018-01-03 01:56:06 PM  
5 votes:
This almost feels like a preemptive defense. If he can get people to accept that he didn't want to win he can then convincingly say, "Why would I collude with Russia to rig an election when I didn't want to win?"
2018-01-03 01:54:57 PM  
5 votes:

Bloody William: koinbahd: El_Perro: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x412]

http://thehill.com/homenews/administra​tion/367253-trump-bannon-has-lost-his-​mind

Holy shiat that's real?!?!

Holy fark it's real.


How long until "there were only 5 people that did anything for me. My, myself, I, my large adult son, and Putin."
2018-01-03 01:49:29 PM  
5 votes:
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Whether he wants to be there or not, he's there. He's there for another 3 more years.
2018-01-03 01:36:59 PM  
5 votes:

StrikitRich: [scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com image 480x480]

Like FARK, The New Yorker must have just been re-stocked.


LOL U CANT EVEN REED
2018-01-03 01:25:55 PM  
5 votes:
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2018-01-03 06:37:07 PM  
4 votes:

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: jst3p: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

She won the majority of the votes. That's supposed to be how democracy works.

The EC was created to ensure that a populist demagogue couldn't dupe the population into electing a snake-oil salesman. It has failed at its only job.

Yes and no.  The electoral college was nominally meant to do that but it's real purpose was to ensure slave states got enough votes to prevent abolition.


And to keep the unwashed poors from electing a president. Basically, as shiatty and "undemocratic" as people say our current system is, it's actually better than it was for most of our history. The U.S. was founded by affluent white people. For the benefit of affluent white people. To the detriment of everyone else, slaves especially, of course. LOL. For most of our history, the majority of people who lived here had 0 political power. By design.

The extravagant stroking of the Founding Fathers every July 4 is hilarious to me.
2018-01-03 05:48:30 PM  
4 votes:

culebra: Old Smokie: (Deleted)

Oh, I'm sorry (not).  Left-leaning individuals who lack in farking brains, their gray matter having been slowly digested by their twisted philosophy, are triggered by Steve Bannon.  Is it a day that ends in "y"?

Ohmigod you just pwned all the libs so hard. *Pepe gif*


So glad I hid that shiatfark.
2018-01-03 05:46:48 PM  
4 votes:

LibertyHiller: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

True, but you get there in 11 states; given that EC representation lags behind actual population by anywhere from two to 10 years, that's not terribly unbalanced.

There are good reasons to reform or do away with the EC, but yours is not anywhere close to making the list.


California has a larger population than the combined population of the 21 least populated states.  California gets 55 electoral votes, they get 71.  You have a very different notion of what terribly unbalanced means when the smaller of the two has 1.4 times the vote of the larger.
2018-01-03 05:30:41 PM  
4 votes:

LibertyHiller: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

True, but you get there in 11 states; given that EC representation lags behind actual population by anywhere from two to 10 years, that's not terribly unbalanced.

There are good reasons to reform or do away with the EC, but yours is not anywhere close to making the list.


That is where Trump appointing a trumper-nutbag to run the census is going to come in.
2018-01-03 05:30:34 PM  
4 votes:

Peter_B_Risen: whidbey: Peter_B_Risen: Yup, the electoral college isn't perfect.  But you basically have two cultures in this nation today, urban and rural.  You take away the EC, you give all of the power of one of those cultures.  It will never happen.  Get over it.

I'm OK with this. Urban areas are by and large progressive. Rural areas are stuck in the 1950s. Sick of that shiat.

Maybe so.  But they still have the right to be represented at the highest level.  Without the EC, it would never happen.


I don't care to have bigotry "represented at the highest level."

They can vote "yes" or "no" like the rest of us.
2018-01-03 05:20:04 PM  
4 votes:

Befuddled: It's weird to hear reports that Trump really didn't want to win given that he targeted states like Michigan and Wisconsin, going there to campaign. If he didn't want to win, why would he have bothered doing that.


Because they have enough idiots stupid enough to show up to a Trump rally.

Not sure why this is puzzling to people. He only cares about receiving praise. That's it. The constant feeding of his monstrous ego. He is a black hole of need, one that will never, ever be filled. That has been obvious to me since he shlumped onto the scene over 20 years ago.
2018-01-03 04:25:41 PM  
4 votes:
Before the election, it was pretty clear to me (and others) that he was super-ultra-mega broke, like "nine or ten figures underwater" broke. The funny thing is that while you have to be incredibly "wealthy" to get ten or a hundred million dollars in debt, to get a billion in debt, you pretty much have to be constantly breaking the law.

So I thought, okay, he's dangerously broke, he's probably half a step ahead of some pissant SEC or Treasury agent taking him down hard, and he's running for president. Makes sense, because even though he won't win [oops], now he can scream that it's all political persecution. That alone seemed like a sufficient explanation for all the "jail crooked Hillary" talk: he could say she was just paying him back for that, which would probably confuse a jury enough for an acquittal.

My modest proposal at the time was: we do some legislative magic to wipe clean all your debts, we pardon you for everything you may or may not have done, and you just go away. It wasn't that I wanted Clinton to have a free shot; at the time I figured Rubio or Kasich would be a real threat to her. I just wanted to not farking live in a world where I had to see this piece of shiat on TV every day.

Offer still stands, Donny. True, you're actually worse off now than you had been, but I am even more farking tired of you, so I think it's still a fair trade.
2018-01-03 04:11:33 PM  
4 votes:

kindms: and you just showed that you have no qualms about the tyranny of the majority. What you have done is basically made every minority and protected class person subject to the majority rule. Perhaps you should read about WHY this is a bad idea before trying to go with true democracy. There is a very good reason our system is setup the way it is. Just because you haven't won enough doesn't inherently make it bad.


Don't know what the Constitution is, do you?
2018-01-03 04:08:14 PM  
4 votes:

indy_kid: iheartscotch: The Notorious HRC took a dive....

That might just be the biggest long con in this whole shiatshow.

HRC knew she could win, she had the popular vote, and 3 swing states were each decided by a few thousand votes each (and Mueller is taking a hard look at those states).

HRC can't stand Trump; has hated him for years.  She wants to be the 1st woman president, but decides Two Scoops has overplayed his hand, and she'd rather see him go down - along with his spawn - than win the election.  She knows that once he becomes Prez, everything about his life is open to scrutiny, and she has no doubt there are hundreds of skeletons in the closet.

She loses, still makes a few mil with her book, and has the Clinton Foundation as a backup.  Meanwhile, D2C is way over his head, and he's taking the GOP down with him.  In Nov., Congress turns blue and Trump is a lame duck until 2020, if he's not outright impeached before then.

This could be HRC's payback to the GOP for 30 years of hatred and unfounded investigations.


I'd like to believe that, but D2S is still in office after a year, with tons and tons of skeletons just lying around all over the place.  And the carnage of his foreign policy nonsense will play out for years after he leaves office.  Short story:  HRC gets to cackle a bit, we're still boned.
2018-01-03 03:46:19 PM  
4 votes:

Yellow Beard: Mechanicum: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Counties don't vote, people do

I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.


This is beyond stupid.  Damned few states are so wholly red or blue that a popular majority would be formed from them.  A candidate would have to win every individual vote in the nine most popular states to win a majority of the popular vote, assuming that every individual vote in the 41 less populated states voted for the other candidate.  Once minor parties are thrown into the mix it would take more like the 12 most populated states to win. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_S​t​ates_presidential_election,_2016#/medi​a/File:2016_Presidential_Election_by_V​ote_Distribution_Among_States.svg
2018-01-03 03:39:29 PM  
4 votes:
If he he didn't want to win, then why did his campaign break so many laws?
2018-01-03 03:37:53 PM  
4 votes:

kindms: DarkVader: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

That's complete idiocy.

If you eliminate the electoral college, EVERY vote counts, from everywhere in the country.  It eliminates presidential elections being about landmass, and makes them about humans.  A vote in Podunk Idaho counts exactly the same as a vote in the Bronx.

Right now, that vote in the Bronx doesn't mean much.  And that deplorable's vote in Podunk counts for a whole lot more than it should.

If it hadn't been for the electoral college, not only would Drumpf not have been president, the margin would have been a lot bigger than 3 million votes because there would not have been the incentive to stay home and let somebody else bother that there was in states like NY and CA.

/We also need preference voting, to remove the concept of votes for third parties being spoilers.

and you just showed that you have no qualms about the tyranny of the majority. What you have done is basically made every minority and protected class person subject to the majority rule. Perhaps you should read about WHY this is a bad idea before trying to go with true democracy. There is a very good reason our system is setup the way it is. Just because you haven't won enough doesn't inherently make it bad.


There are protections for the minority segments of our population. You are advocating minority rule, which batshart insane.
2018-01-03 03:34:58 PM  
4 votes:

BigGrnEggGriller: d23: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

The whole American system is complicit.

Face it: Europe has the right idea.  Our "experiment" has failed.

Since the Bush, Jr. administration, I have started really thinking the parliamentary system is the right one.  When the diaper gets full of shiat it can be changed, no matter whether it has been 4 years or not.

IOW, if you can't win the game using the current rules, change them.


What is this I can't even... We literally change the rules all the time for various reasons.  We just changed tax laws because rich people weren't winning enough.  We busted up monopolies because small businesses and consumers weren't winning enough in the early 20th century.  Why is trying to change the rules because you're not winning a bad thing?
d23 [BareFark]
2018-01-03 03:16:19 PM  
4 votes:

jst3p: Please provide some examples of how the population centers will "sell out" "fly over country". WTF does that even mean?


It means that the people he doesn't like, whether that be "dirty city people" or "brown people," get a bigger say so than he would like and will make a decision he doesn't agree with.
2018-01-03 03:12:09 PM  
4 votes:
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2018-01-03 03:07:07 PM  
4 votes:

Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


Counties shouldn't matter only actual people should.
2018-01-03 02:51:07 PM  
4 votes:

Weatherkiss: Well, that's it. Now I'm seriously on the fence about voting for Donald Trump.


The sad part is that you don't appear to even be tired of the gag.
2018-01-03 02:45:55 PM  
4 votes:

Markoff_Cheney: over_educated: Wow this thread is full of crazies coming out of the woodwork.  Did the Kremlin's check clear or something?

Something big is coming.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usat​o​day.com/amp/999817001

The rats are eating each other.
2018-01-03 02:24:56 PM  
4 votes:
Then get the fark out.

There's the door.

Resign.
2018-01-03 02:16:47 PM  
4 votes:
Stop a second -- he wants to prove he didn't collude with Russia to win the race.  Wouldn't convincing people that he never wanted to win go a long way towards convincing them he had no reason to collude?  What if this is the story line the White House is now pushing, because being incompetent is embarrassing, but not criminal.
2018-01-03 02:15:43 PM  
4 votes:

fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.


we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.
2018-01-03 02:15:42 PM  
4 votes:

Ivo Shandor: [s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com image 500x326]


I know it's been said elsewhere but, that's not how a supposed professional sits.  That's how a bratty teenage girl who would rather be wasting time with her friends at the mall than attending a family dinner sits.
2018-01-03 02:03:35 PM  
4 votes:

The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.


This is just MHO...but methinks it's more a question of
"How do I get OUT of this, without losing face or admiration?
I want to keep all the 'base' cheering for me, admiring me, giving me their money.
How do I bail out of a job I don't want and still keep all the things I DO want?"
2018-01-03 01:50:57 PM  
4 votes:

MFK: xanadian: That "news article" reads like fan fiction.

For example:  did Murdock REALLY say "what a f*cking idiot"?  And to whom?  And who else heard it?  Was that really reported to someone?  Or are we just speculation as to what went on behind the scenes?

it's not breitbart. it's the New Yorker. I'm pretty sure that they know that you can't just make shiat up and publish it.


It's NOT the New Yorker! (But New York Magazine also knows you can't just make shiat up and publish it.)
MFK
2018-01-03 01:48:54 PM  
4 votes:

MFK: xanadian: That "news article" reads like fan fiction.

For example:  did Murdock REALLY say "what a f*cking idiot"?  And to whom?  And who else heard it?  Was that really reported to someone?  Or are we just speculation as to what went on behind the scenes?

it's not breitbart. it's the New Yorker. I'm pretty sure that they know that you can't just make shiat up and publish it.


whoops. New York Mag. Still an old enough pub to know what you can and cannot print.
2018-01-03 01:45:49 PM  
4 votes:

Weatherkiss: Well, that's it. Now I'm seriously on the fence about voting for Donald Trump.


I admire your devotion to the cause.
2018-01-03 01:35:11 PM  
4 votes:
Well, that's it. Now I'm seriously on the fence about voting for Donald Trump.
2018-01-03 01:31:13 PM  
4 votes:
You guys are making this seem like it was all an accident and there's no conspiracy. I know for a fact it was the deep sea squid people
2018-01-04 11:11:27 AM  
3 votes:
Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking:

And the six or so other women that came forward?

3 are anonymous, 2 of which cited an event that never took place and the third complained about a traditional entertainment interview hello/goodbye.

Of the three that remained you have:

1 woman claiming Franken openly fondled her before a crowd of witnesses, including the photographer taking the picture, for 10 seconds.

1 woman upset that he put his arm around her while posing for a picture she asked for.

1 woman who claims his hand grazed her ass while they positioned for a cheek-to-cheek photo.

Not exactly the out of control sexual predator the pearl clutchers seem adamant to portray him as.
2018-01-03 11:25:10 PM  
3 votes:

Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?


He hates the same people they hate.
2018-01-03 08:12:52 PM  
3 votes:
I'm actually quite frightened by the fact that the President has most likely never even read the Constitution, much less has any knowledge of its nuances. What's doubly scary is that he doesn't even care. What triple dog terrifying is the fact that people are seeing this and not caring (and actually think it's a benefit.)
2018-01-03 06:40:53 PM  
3 votes:

Geotpf: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Again, and I guess we are going to have to repeat this for the slow people, LAND SHOULD NOT GET A VOTE YOU MATH-CHALLENGED IDIOT

To put it another way, those 15% of the counties had a greater population than the other 85%.


To stupid people, the "85% of counties" shiat makes sense. Like the other stupid shiat they believe. Most of which they get from Faux News. While we're yapping about Russian bots and trolls, let's not fail to give Faux News the credit they deserve for helping to elect the stupidest president ever.
2018-01-03 06:28:26 PM  
3 votes:

semiotix: Before the election, it was pretty clear to me (and others) that he was super-ultra-mega broke, like "nine or ten figures underwater" broke. The funny thing is that while you have to be incredibly "wealthy" to get ten or a hundred million dollars in debt, to get a billion in debt, you pretty much have to be constantly breaking the law.

So I thought, okay, he's dangerously broke, he's probably half a step ahead of some pissant SEC or Treasury agent taking him down hard, and he's running for president. Makes sense, because even though he won't win [oops], now he can scream that it's all political persecution. That alone seemed like a sufficient explanation for all the "jail crooked Hillary" talk: he could say she was just paying him back for that, which would probably confuse a jury enough for an acquittal.

My modest proposal at the time was: we do some legislative magic to wipe clean all your debts, we pardon you for everything you may or may not have done, and you just go away. It wasn't that I wanted Clinton to have a free shot; at the time I figured Rubio or Kasich would be a real threat to her. I just wanted to not farking live in a world where I had to see this piece of shiat on TV every day.

Offer still stands, Donny. True, you're actually worse off now than you had been, but I am even more farking tired of you, so I think it's still a fair trade.


which makes this (fta) stand out a little more to me:
"In the end, the best Trump would do is to loan the campaign $10 million, provided he got it back as soon as they could raise other money. Steve Mnuchin, the campaign's finance chairman, came to collect the loan with the wire instructions ready to go so Trump couldn't conveniently forget to send the money. "
He in no way, shape or form wants anyone to know how little money he actually has.  If he had the billions he claims he does, it seems like $50Million would just be an investment.
2018-01-03 06:27:48 PM  
3 votes:

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Again, and I guess we are going to have to repeat this for the slow people, LAND SHOULD NOT GET A VOTE YOU MATH-CHALLENGED IDIOT


To put it another way, those 15% of the counties had a greater population than the other 85%.
2018-01-03 05:33:19 PM  
3 votes:
On December 14, a high-level delegation from Silicon Valley came to Trump Tower to meet him. Later that afternoon, according to a source privy to details of the conversation, Trump called Rupert Murdoch, who asked him how the meeting had gone.
"Oh, great, just great," said Trump. "These guys really need my help. Obama was not very favorable to them, too much regulation. This is really an opportunity for me to help them."
"Donald," said Murdoch, "for eight years these guys had Obama in their pocket. They practically ran the administration. They don't need your help."
"Take this H-1B visa issue. They really need these H-1B visas."
Murdoch suggested that taking a liberal approach to H-1B visas, which open America's doors to select immigrants, might be hard to square with his promises to build a wall and close the borders. But Trump seemed unconcerned, assuring Murdoch, "We'll figure it out."
"What a farking idiot," said Murdoch, shrugging, as he got off the phone.


Whether you like Murdoch or not, he's certainly not stupid.

He's the exact opposite of Trump. He inherited a small provincial business and built a worldwide business empire.
2018-01-03 05:21:16 PM  
3 votes:
There are some gems in that book.
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2018-01-03 05:07:21 PM  
3 votes:

Peter_B_Risen: Yup, the electoral college isn't perfect.  But you basically have two cultures in this nation today, urban and rural.  You take away the EC, you give all of the power of one of those cultures.  It will never happen.  Get over it.


..so you're happy with the system that gives disproportionate power to the culture that tends to be considerably less educated and contributes considerably less economically?
2018-01-03 04:32:27 PM  
3 votes:

The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.


The point is he was to get Russian money/favors for promises, then lose anyway. Now he's on the hook for those promises and if he leaves on his own he's farked.

It's a modern retelling of "The Producers"
2018-01-03 04:31:16 PM  
3 votes:

rewind2846: FTA: "Early in the campaign, Sam Nunberg was sent to explain the Constitution to the candidate. "I got as far as the Fourth Amendment," Nunberg recalled, "before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head."

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That the potential president of the United States - or any person that calls themselves an American citizen that has completed second grade - should need this explained to them should scare people more than it seems to now. A lot more.


Which in a way is kind of kind of counter-intuitive, if you think about it.  You'd think that the amendments - which for the most part consist of small, clearly-delineated, easily-digestible chunks - would be much more in tune with someone like D2S's attention span than the long articles of the main document.  <shrug>
2018-01-03 04:24:34 PM  
3 votes:

FortyHams: Archidude: FortyHams: Sounds like they're going to have to completely redo the presidential bedroom after he leaves.

Tearing down the steel and concrete barrier that Melania had built down the center of the bed is going to be difficult.

According to the article they're the first couple since Kennedy to sleep in separate rooms. The difference being that JFK's room was too full of young women and Trump's is just full of big mac wrappers and dirty clothes.


I'll bet he snores loud enough to Wake the Dead. Just look at the fat slob, his double chins probably collapse on his windpipe. We should just wait and let sleep apnea do its job. What if one of his other secrets is that he has to sleep with a CPAP machine?
2018-01-03 04:20:20 PM  
3 votes:

BigGrnEggGriller: d23: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

The whole American system is complicit.

Face it: Europe has the right idea.  Our "experiment" has failed.

Since the Bush, Jr. administration, I have started really thinking the parliamentary system is the right one.  When the diaper gets full of shiat it can be changed, no matter whether it has been 4 years or not.

IOW, if you can't win the game using the current rules, change them.


 Worked for the republicans
2018-01-03 04:12:38 PM  
3 votes:
Trump, in fact, found the White House to be vexing and even a little scary. He retreated to his own bedroom - the first time since the Kennedy White House that a presidential couple had maintained separate rooms. In the first days, he ordered two television screens in addition to the one already there, and a lock on the door, precipitating a brief standoff with the Secret Service, who insisted they have access to the room. He reprimanded the housekeeping staff for picking up his shirt from the floor: "If my shirt is on the floor, it's because I want it on the floor." Then he imposed a set of new rules: Nobody touch anything, especially not his toothbrush. (He had a longtime fear of being poisoned, one reason why he liked to eat at McDonald's - nobody knew he was coming and the food was safely premade.) Also, he would let housekeeping know when he wanted his sheets done, and he would strip his own bed.

I suppose you see similar things with all people who are too close with Putin.
2018-01-03 03:45:21 PM  
3 votes:

Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face


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2018-01-03 03:44:15 PM  
3 votes:

fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.


If your not being ignored means Trump in office, then fark your feelings.
2018-01-03 03:36:24 PM  
3 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Of course he never wanted to win. He never planned on winning. His goal was to throw so much shiat at Hillary that her presidency would be crippled with fake scandals and allegations.

From there he'd get his Russia pay (Putin wants America destabilized, nothing more) and be able to start his Trump News Network with alt-right news alt-the time.

His worst mistake was running. His worst nightmare is winning.


You skipped ahead.

He started it as a simple PR stunt like in 2012.

Then his racist comments started rising in the polls. And Trump's ego can't turn down a popularity contest so he actually tried to run.

And when Putin came calling, Trump isn't passing on any help to win said popularity contest.

Also I don't think he knew what "President" entailed.
2018-01-03 03:28:58 PM  
3 votes:
All of this and not one Mr. Garrison reference?
2018-01-03 03:16:43 PM  
3 votes:
Like it or not, we're stuck with the Electoral College. Why? Simple...it ultimately decides the winner, and the winner is not going to be the one who spearheads a movement to change it. You think Trump and the Rs will work to abolish it? Come next election when the Dems take POTUS and a majority of the seats, do you think they'll suddenly say, "OK, let's start tearing down the system that put us into office"? Nope, there's just no scenario I can see where the EC is dismantled as that effort needs to be started by the very folks who just benefited from it.
2018-01-03 02:58:40 PM  
3 votes:
He's eclipsed the Rosenbergs. He's eclipsed Robert E Lee. He's eclipsed Benedict Arnold.

There's nobody ahead of him in the Great Betrayers Sweepstakes. He's stretching his lead out like Secretariat in the Belmont.
2018-01-03 02:53:14 PM  
3 votes:

Snatch Bandergrip: 5 years ago, I wrote a spec pilot for a writing class in which a wildly ignorant, irresponsible, corrupt congressman tries to sabotage his own presidential campaign, but it backfires because the American people are so farking dumb that his polls go up with every idiotic, disgusting move.

I wrote that shiat five years ago.


Peter sellers covered that one a few years prior in "Being There" where everyone around him somehow confuses a simple gardener for a financial genius.  Much more likeable fellow though..
2018-01-03 02:51:32 PM  
3 votes:
Folks, if you don't want the job, then don't apply.
d23 [BareFark]
2018-01-03 02:48:13 PM  
3 votes:

thismomentinblackhistory: [img.fark.net image 522x98]

No, Andrew Breitbart would be snorting cocaine.


He'd probably be applauding it as well.  His whole schtick was to cause havoc.  He wasn't a person that held truth in high esteem.
2018-01-03 02:47:01 PM  
3 votes:
Deep Contact: Bla bla bla. Hate the rich, love the poor, Bla bla bla.

I mean, well, Jesus...
2018-01-03 02:38:10 PM  
3 votes:

over_educated: Wow this thread is full of crazies coming out of the woodwork.  Did the Kremlin's check clear or something?


Something big is coming.
2018-01-03 02:28:56 PM  
3 votes:

Zeke The Octopus: kab: There was footage shown after he won, of him getting a tour of the White House. The deer-in-the-headlights look on his face when being shown around was humorous.

skyotter: Thanks again for electing this asshole, you assholes.

Don't kid yourself.   Voters didn't put him in place, because voters don't elect presidents, no matter how you want to spin it.

The republican party is absolutely 100% responsible for anything and everything he does, and any fallout from his actions,  The right wing had their opportunity to show this guy the door in the summer of 2016, and decided not to.   And as generally shiatty as your field was, any one of them was better suited to lead than DJT is.

Since then, the right wing has embraced being portrayed as white supremacist sympathizers, advocates of nepotism. You've proudly displayed yourselves as proponents of foreign interference in the election process, and abuse of executive power.    None of this is debatable at all.

You've established a new low in what passes for candidate qualification, and will pander to any mindset or history as long as it pulls on the R lever.   Frankly, you ceasing to exist as a political party would be one of the better things to happen to the US.

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Scintillating rejoinder. Like any Trump supporter, you've probably never had an original idea in your life.
2018-01-03 02:28:35 PM  
3 votes:

Old Smokie: Is it a day that ends in "y"?


Are you getting spanked like a bad little dog on Fark? Sure enough! It's a Wednesday.
2018-01-03 02:25:59 PM  
3 votes:

Smelly Pirate Hooker: If this is supposed to make me feel better, it's failing.

If the farkface in Chief doesn't want the job, he knows what he can do about that.


Are you sure he knows what he can do about it? It seems likely that he has no idea that resigning of his own free will is an option. Even if he somewhat academically understands it there's no way the narcissistic part of his personality would allow him to do it.
2018-01-03 02:23:48 PM  
3 votes:

kab: There was footage shown after he won, of him getting a tour of the White House. The deer-in-the-headlights look on his face when being shown around was humorous.

skyotter: Thanks again for electing this asshole, you assholes.

Don't kid yourself.   Voters didn't put him in place, because voters don't elect presidents, no matter how you want to spin it.

The republican party is absolutely 100% responsible for anything and everything he does, and any fallout from his actions,  The right wing had their opportunity to show this guy the door in the summer of 2016, and decided not to.   And as generally shiatty as your field was, any one of them was better suited to lead than DJT is.

Since then, the right wing has embraced being portrayed as white supremacist sympathizers, advocates of nepotism. You've proudly displayed yourselves as proponents of foreign interference in the election process, and abuse of executive power.    None of this is debatable at all.

You've established a new low in what passes for candidate qualification, and will pander to any mindset or history as long as it pulls on the R lever.   Frankly, you ceasing to exist as a political party would be one of the better things to happen to the US.


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2018-01-03 02:21:27 PM  
3 votes:

Bloody William: Zeke The Octopus: Proof positive he wasn't the man America wanted. He was the man America needed. Molloch be damned! Meme magic has saved us from the demons! PRAISE KEK, BRINGER OF CHAOS AND DANK MEMES!

You realize we're not only in the best timeline, we're inside a Bill Murray movie! It's Stipes meets Ghostbusters meets Caddy shack meets Oliver Stone!

/Somewhere in upstate New York, in a secluded woods, Hillary Clinton has read this article and, after a psychotic break involving kidnapping her neighbor's Golden Retreiver, is busying herself kicking the piss out of its kidneys shreiking in rage and cursing the day she was born.

farking kids today. Kek and bullshiat. I worshiped Eris before it was cool. All hail Discordia, motherfarkers.

... I just realized I'm a chaos hipster.


Solidarity!
I have a tattoo similar to this design on my left shoulder blade, got it about 20 years ago:
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2018-01-03 02:18:01 PM  
3 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: The Third Man: and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.

Nope. What ElwoodCuse said. Trump won whites of every income level. He ran on racism and won on racism because America is f*cking racist.


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2018-01-03 02:16:03 PM  
3 votes:

MFK: MFK: xanadian: That "news article" reads like fan fiction.

For example:  did Murdock REALLY say "what a f*cking idiot"?  And to whom?  And who else heard it?  Was that really reported to someone?  Or are we just speculation as to what went on behind the scenes?

it's not breitbart. it's the New Yorker. I'm pretty sure that they know that you can't just make shiat up and publish it.

whoops. New York Mag. Still an old enough pub to know what you can and cannot print.


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2018-01-03 02:12:33 PM  
3 votes:
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It's his job now.   He wanted it.   He tried for years.   He's your baby now.
2018-01-03 02:06:21 PM  
3 votes:
I can believe that Trump didn't necessarily want to win. It's much harder to accept the idea that he was ok with losing to Hillary.
2018-01-03 02:04:21 PM  
3 votes:

Bloody William: El_Perro: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x412]

fark, I almost believed that to be real.


IT IS!!!  IT'S REALLY REAL!!!
2018-01-03 01:56:53 PM  
3 votes:
Here's the problem - Trump never expected/wanted  to win and Clinton never expected to lose.    And now we have a president that is tweeting nuclear war threats.    Congratulations America.   Somebody is going to jail, and it ain't going to be Hillary or Donald.
2018-01-03 01:47:04 PM  
3 votes:

iheartscotch: skyotter: Thanks again for electing this asshole, you assholes.

It's kinda my fault. I was jokingly chanting "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Reagan R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" the entire time. I think something heard me.

/ on a related note; anyone know how to get rid of giant space mollusks?


They're telepathically connected to the viruses in your brain. The only thing you can do is astro-project into your spirit form and abandon your physical body. I've done a lot of research on the topic
2018-01-03 01:45:39 PM  
3 votes:
Just quit
2018-01-03 01:43:32 PM  
3 votes:

d23: deanis: Just another Soros funded hit peice on Daddy.

The conspiracy theories just get another level deep derper.

2018-01-03 01:42:30 PM  
3 votes:

El_Perro: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x412]


Holy shiat, that's real?!
2018-01-04 12:10:00 AM  
2 votes:

Befuddled: It's weird to hear reports that Trump really didn't want to win given that he targeted states like Michigan and Wisconsin, going there to campaign. If he didn't want to win, why would he have bothered doing that.


Your handle is appropriate. :)

Trump wanted to win, he just had no idea what that meant. His ego wouldn't let him half-ass the campaign, but it also won't let him quit now that he knows how hosed he is. Much like his base, he wants recognition for things the rest of us accept as being fundamental to a 'decent' human being. Best analogy I can come up with is someone getting butthurt after "not getting a thank-you" for holding a door open. If the thanks is the motivation, you're doing it wrong.
2018-01-03 11:10:00 PM  
2 votes:
The Third Man:

if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now

The man is the ID complex personified.  He isn't going to resign from the most powerful position he's ever held, especially when him occupying that position ended numerous investigations and lawsuits into his business and personal dealings.
2018-01-03 09:52:10 PM  
2 votes:

Carter Pewterschmidt: DubtodaIll: Geotpf: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Again, and I guess we are going to have to repeat this for the slow people, LAND SHOULD NOT GET A VOTE YOU MATH-CHALLENGED IDIOT

To put it another way, those 15% of the counties had a greater population than the other 85%.

So why do think 15% of the counties should have control of the executive branch for 100% of the counties?  The electoral college provides balance, no advantage.  There's no sense in whining about losing over the rules.

I have bolded the answer.

If there are ten counties in a country and two of them have ten thousand people and the other eight have five hundred each then what matters? The will of the people? Two counties have 80% of the voting public.
The other eight counties only have 20%.

Why should those 20% be able to outvote the other 80%

In what system does 20% win over 80%?  As it happens Clinton got three million move votes than Trump but Trump won the Presidency. Is that fair?


It's not perfect but 3 million is less than 1% of the population at large and 2.27% of the vote.   But again you're lamenting that the Team Clinton had 200 more yards on offense but lost by two touchdowns.  It's simply not the way the game is won.
Large population centers are already the locus of power in any civilization.  If it makes you sick that you're only holding most of the cards instead of all of them I don't know what to tell you.
2018-01-03 09:00:41 PM  
2 votes:

DubtodaIll: Geotpf: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Again, and I guess we are going to have to repeat this for the slow people, LAND SHOULD NOT GET A VOTE YOU MATH-CHALLENGED IDIOT

To put it another way, those 15% of the counties had a greater population than the other 85%.

So why do think 15% of the counties should have control of the executive branch for 100% of the counties?  The electoral college provides balance, no advantage.  There's no sense in whining about losing over the rules.


I have bolded the answer.

If there are ten counties in a country and two of them have ten thousand people and the other eight have five hundred each then what matters? The will of the people? Two counties have 80% of the voting public.
The other eight counties only have 20%.

Why should those 20% be able to outvote the other 80%

In what system does 20% win over 80%?  As it happens Clinton got three million move votes than Trump but Trump won the Presidency. Is that fair?
2018-01-03 08:23:23 PM  
2 votes:

Brat E. Pants: Ordered mine. I will order Comey's when his is published, too. I need somethingto keep me busy while Mueller finishes up. (Please, God, let him be almost done.)

I hope every credible historian is working like mad, documenting all this shiat. I want whole aisles devoted to how and why this man is such a collosal failure.


At the library today, I picked up three books on how screwed up this is. People are. It will not end when this farking moron is finally out of office.  They all have one thing in common: they are full of cited quotes from the man himself.
2018-01-03 08:03:11 PM  
2 votes:

semiotix: Offer still stands, Donny. True, you're actually worse off now than you had been, but I am even more farking tired of you, so I think it's still a fair trade.


It appears likely that he told the Republicans he'd accept $800 million to go away.

What a bargain that would've been.
2018-01-03 06:43:05 PM  
2 votes:

born_yesterday: J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: durbnpoisn: [img.fark.net image 500x375]


Really...  At any point, Trump can resign and walk away from this thing.  No one would think any less of him.  In fact, he would probably be hailed as a hero.

You hear that, Trump?  There is a chance that you can walk away from this and people will actually like you for it.  If you continue the path of pretending that everything is fine, while burning down the world around you, you will go down in history as a disgraced buffoon.

He can't walk away. He appears to be in legal trouble and if he's just an average citizen he'll have no power to control or shape the investigation, no power to pardon his family members that might get ensnared, and he'll have no bully pulpit to speak from.

Yet another parallel of this great man to the great Julius Caesar.


Please.

Comparing Trump to Julius Caesar -- who was one of the great minds of his generation, as even Cicero admitted -- puts Trump on a pedestal he in no way deserves.
2018-01-03 06:40:14 PM  
2 votes:

shroom: Befuddled: It's weird to hear reports that Trump really didn't want to win given that he targeted states like Michigan and Wisconsin, going there to campaign. If he didn't want to win, why would he have bothered doing that.

Try this as a thought experiment.  Imagine Hillary Clinton has won the election with a small victory and became president.  Now take a look at Donald Trump's tweets and interviews over the last year.  Exactly what would have been different on his Twitter feed and in his relationship with the media had he lost?  Exactly nothing.  He would have done all of the same hour of tweeting every day, with none of the rest of the responsibility.

Starting to make sense?


Plus Mercer funded the captain (unexpectedly, thanks to Rebekah,) and they went for the win.
Trump still through he'd lose, apparently, and was probably enjoying the fame.
2018-01-03 06:28:55 PM  
2 votes:

Peter_B_Risen: The Bestest: Peter_B_Risen: Yup, the electoral college isn't perfect.  But you basically have two cultures in this nation today, urban and rural.  You take away the EC, you give all of the power of one of those cultures.  It will never happen.  Get over it.

..so you're happy with the system that gives disproportionate power to the culture that tends to be considerably less educated and contributes considerably less economically?

I'm happy that one culture of people doesn't hold all of the power.  I don't believe that a large majority of people that have certain beliefs should dictate all of the laws over people that have different beliefs.


A guy I have farkied as "bigot" is in favor of a rural minority forcing bigotry and ignorance on the majority of the population? What a surprise.
2018-01-03 06:27:34 PM  
2 votes:
I didn't think it was possible for me to hate the ignorance of all Trump voter's anymore than I already did. Well played, subby.
2018-01-03 06:15:08 PM  
2 votes:
I don't need the New Yorker to tell me that. It gives me tremendous, bigly joy knowing that the tiny orange shartstain hates, hates, hates every day of his job, hates every day of his life in DC, and never wanted this job in the first place. I hope he wakes up every day hating his life, and goes to bed the same way. It's literally the least he deserves, and it's only a shame that he remains shielded from the worst of what he deserves.
2018-01-03 06:07:22 PM  
2 votes:

Snapper Carr: Harlee: Snapper Carr: I wouldn't think any less of him* if he chose to resign.

*I am in fact, incapable of thinking any less of him so...

That would leave Pence in charge. Not sure you've thought your cunning plan all the way through here.

Pence is a god bothering idiot and would be a disaster but he appears to know how to act in a way that resembles a mature adult.

Regardless of what happens with Mueller's investigation or the midterms, there's no good outcome in the short term. Pence might be the least terrible option should D2S vacate the position.


The thing is that Trump's ego is too big for him to ever resign.  And a successful impeachment requires a win by the Democrats in the House in 2018, hearings for six months in 2019, and then 12 to 20 Republican Senators to grow a conscience and actually vote to remove him (you need 67 votes of Senators; it would be absolutely amazing if the Democrats get 55).
2018-01-03 05:57:11 PM  
2 votes:

shroom: OregonVet: shroom: OregonVet: LOL. <bunch of derp>

/off topic- but defending Franken, REALLY? Gotdamn hippos.

I'll happily defend Franken to the extent that the only thing that's been demonstrated with any level of evidence is that he took a crude photo with a Playboy model while working as a comedian before ever running for any public office.  It's certainly possible that he did more than that, but the evidence surrounding the claims, as well as the timing thereof, is all fishy as shiat.

So I can grab your tits while you're asleep and as long as I'm smiling in the photo and claim I was just being funny, it's only crude, right? Good to know. Have to remember that the next time I just can't resist assaulting someone for the lulz in case I end up before a judge.....

He's pretending to grab her tits in the photo.  Like I said, crude, stupid (since he knew he was running by that point), but absent any other non-imaginary charges, hardly grounds for dismissal over a decade later when the victim has already publicly accepted the apology.


Plus, he's a liberal, so we'll overlook a little sexual harassment and misogyny.  As long as he votes our way, he's good.
2018-01-03 05:54:55 PM  
2 votes:

stan unusual: LibertyHiller: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree. The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid. Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas. Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college. That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

True, but you get there in 11 states; given that EC representation lags behind actual population by anywhere from two to 10 years, that's not terribly unbalanced.

There are good reasons to reform or do away with the EC, but yours is not anywhere close to making the list.

California has a larger population than the combined population of the 21 least populated states. California gets 55 electoral votes, they get 71. You have a very different notion of what terribly unbalanced means when the smaller of the two has 1.4 times the vote of the larger.


Depends on how you determine balance.  The founding fathers determined that balance didn't mean will of the people alone.  It meant the will of the people and the states.
2018-01-03 05:51:07 PM  
2 votes:

kidgenius: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

Let's see....add up NYC, LA, Chicago and DFW (largest metro areas), you are at 50 million of the 323 million people in this country. Take that number and knock it down 30% to get to the number of voters and you have 35 million voters. Let's say they break dem at 90% (generous, as its probably closer to 70%, but whatever), and you have 31M voters, assuming 100% turnout. That wont even get you to half of the number of votes Clinton got. And the populations fall off very rapidly.

This whole "only care about 3 population centers" bullshiat needs to stop. You are horribly and terribly misinformed and downright wrong


This. Tiresome.
2018-01-03 05:42:15 PM  
2 votes:
SCUM. trump, his family and everyone who supports them are scum.
2018-01-03 05:31:38 PM  
2 votes:

geek_mars: This almost feels like a preemptive defense. If he can get people to accept that he didn't want to win he can then convincingly say, "Why would I collude with Russia to rig an election when I didn't want to win?"


It won't matter. He still colluded with the Russians to make Hillary lose, and that's just as illegal.
2018-01-03 05:31:31 PM  
2 votes:

doyner: There are some gems in that book.
[pbs.twimg.com image 850x1133]


Yikes, that's sleazy. Is that an advance copy of the book this article is based on, or another book?

/asking for an enemy
2018-01-03 05:22:17 PM  
2 votes:

whidbey: Peter_B_Risen: Yup, the electoral college isn't perfect.  But you basically have two cultures in this nation today, urban and rural.  You take away the EC, you give all of the power of one of those cultures.  It will never happen.  Get over it.

I'm OK with this. Urban areas are by and large progressive. Rural areas are stuck in the 1950s. Sick of that shiat.


Maybe so.  But they still have the right to be represented at the highest level.  Without the EC, it would never happen.
2018-01-03 05:21:34 PM  
2 votes:

stan unusual: This is beyond stupid.


Of course it is, but Republicans defend a blatantly undemocratic system because it benefits them. It's as simple as that.
2018-01-03 05:15:04 PM  
2 votes:

Khellendros: fireclown: It isn't invalid. Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas. Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

No, you don't get a bigger vote because you live in rural areas.  You don't get a bigger say in what happens in a country just because you live in a different place.  A person is a person.  Period.  Your excuse is creating a BS rationalization for your beliefs to get greater representation.  It's transparent and obvious.

The EC was a compromise to prevent specific states from owning the process when states were basically independent sovereign entities, almost completely independent of one another.  With little communication and travel between them, it made sense to give states "votes".  But even then, most of VA, PA, and the other large population states were 99% rural.  Now, states are far weaker cultural entities, and people move between them sharing culture and information on a minute to minute basis.

Your "historical" excuse to defend rural populations is a completely modern rationalization, not based on the realities of the system that was created.


You, I like you.

My 2¢:

There were proposals at the 1787 Convention to have Congress elect the President, either by individual members or to have each state's delegation vote as a unit. The EC was the resulting compromise.

As for the flyover country argument, how is it that when you look at practically every state, there's usually a Democratic island that corresponds to a major (and sometimes, not all that major) city?
2018-01-03 05:06:40 PM  
2 votes:

syzygy whizz: Christ onna crutch, this is NEWS?

Trump never wanted the JOB. He just wanted the adulation and attention that came with winning the popularity contest...even if he had to hack the electoral college to do so.

He's made his point. He "won".
Now, How about he please turn the job over to someone who is capable of actually DOING it (Not so fast there, Mike Pence, et al) and we'll all just pretend it never happened?


Are you going to pretend all those federal judges he appointed aren't really there, or that all the environmental regulations he tore up still actually exist?
2018-01-03 05:06:02 PM  
2 votes:

Snatch Bandergrip: 5 years ago, I wrote a spec pilot for a writing class in which a wildly ignorant, irresponsible, corrupt congressman tries to sabotage his own presidential campaign, but it backfires because the American people are so farking dumb that his polls go up with every idiotic, disgusting move.

I wrote that shiat five years ago.


The Producers is much older than that.
2018-01-03 04:30:51 PM  
2 votes:
My favorite bit (and I'm only about a quarter through):

Again, as though setting the issue of Trump aside - merely a large and peculiar presence to both be thankful for and to have to abide - Bannon, in the role he had conceived for himself, the auteur of the Trump presidency, charged forward. The real enemy, he said, was China. China was the first front in a new Cold War.

"China's everything. Nothing else matters. We don't get China right, we don't get anything right. This whole thing is very simple. China is where Nazi Germany was in 1929 to 1930."


Drunken fkwit doesn't even remember his history. In 1929, the NSDAP had something like 10-15 seats in the Reichstag.
2018-01-03 04:24:53 PM  
2 votes:

stan unusual: When first conceived the EC made much more sense than it does now for two reasons. 1. The modest advantage that it gave to small population states didn't skew the popular vote nearly as much as it does now because they were a smaller percentage of the whole and the population disparities between the states was nowhere near as large as what we have now between Wyoming, Alaska, and North Dakota on one hand and California, Texas and Florida on the other. 2. Voters actually voted for electors, and even though their candidate preferences were generally known, they were not legally bound to follow them should circumstances change. We've exacerbated the problem with #1 and neutered #2.

If we could end gerrymandering congressional districts, I'd be happy with the compromise that Maine and Nebraska have adopted- one elector per CD and two for the statewide winner.


The problem with this is you'd have to do it nationwide, or not at all.  If you recall after the tea party wave of 2010, the newly-elected blue/purple-state Republican governors (OH, PA, MI, VA, WI, FL, etc.) were all masturbating furiously over this idea.  TX, AL, MS, GA, not so much.  The Maine and Nebraska districts happen to balance themselves out nicely in the current climate.
2018-01-03 04:10:21 PM  
2 votes:

Tomahawk513: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

I used to think the EC was a good idea, but I have a harder and harder time justifying it.  I can't come up with a good explanation for why the vote of someone in a rural community should count more than a vote of someone in an urban community.  For that matter, why is representation assigned to states and not just geographical areas, at least in the House?  Why should Wyoming, with its population of just over 500,000 get its own House Representative when the average constituency size per Rep is 750,000?  That's more representation!  Why?  How could that be considered Democratic?


When first conceived the EC made much more sense than it does now for two reasons.  1. The modest advantage that it gave to small population states didn't skew the popular vote nearly as much as it does now because they were a smaller percentage of the whole and the population disparities between the states was nowhere near as large as what we have now between Wyoming, Alaska, and North Dakota on one hand and California, Texas and Florida on the other. 2. Voters actually voted for electors, and even though their candidate preferences were generally known, they were not legally bound to follow them should circumstances change.  We've exacerbated the problem with #1 and neutered #2.

If we could end gerrymandering congressional districts, I'd be happy with the compromise that Maine and Nebraska have adopted- one elector per CD and two for the statewide winner.
2018-01-03 04:05:14 PM  
2 votes:
the trumpanzies sound as upset as their hero today.  delightful.

/already ordered the book
2018-01-03 03:50:14 PM  
2 votes:

stir22: DarkVader: The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.

It's not that he wants to be president now, it's just the only way he can stay out of prison for a little while longer.

As soon as he's out of that office, NY is going to unseal their indictment, and I'm betting that, given his properties in multiple countries and available transportation assets (including private planes that are capable of reaching Russia or other countries that won't extradite), there's pretty much no chance he's going to get bail.

If he leaves office alive (which is a pretty big if considering his health) there's nothing that's going to keep him from going to prison for the rest of his life.

Well hello, Mr. Mueller!

Seriously, that's a pretty bold statement.  I mean, that's what we want, that's what we need...but, what exactly are you basing that on?


Oh, it's not insider information.

It doesn't need to be.  He's confessed to multiple crimes in his farking tweets, for f*ck's sake.

The list of NY state crimes he's committed (or is still committing, he's still got property there and his businesses are still crooked) is pretty long, and Mueller is working with Schneiderman to prosecute them.  NY has their own money laundering and tax evasion laws, their own organized crime laws, their own child sex abuse laws.

As to life, for a man in his health a sentence longer than a few years will be a life sentence.  I'd seriously doubt he'll get less than 20 in NY by the time this is all over.

/I wonder if Florida will prosecute too.
//California hasn't really started making much noise yet either.
///But NY loves the perp walks, so that will be the most fun.
2018-01-03 03:37:03 PM  
2 votes:

Ed Grubermann: Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?

[img.fark.net image 320x214]


Off topic, but does anyone know who this happy couple is?   I'd love for someone to interview them now and ask them, "How does it feel to be the poster children for idiocy?".
2018-01-03 03:33:11 PM  
2 votes:

DarkVader: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

That's complete idiocy.

If you eliminate the electoral college, EVERY vote counts, from everywhere in the country.  It eliminates presidential elections being about landmass, and makes them about humans.  A vote in Podunk Idaho counts exactly the same as a vote in the Bronx.

Right now, that vote in the Bronx doesn't mean much.  And that deplorable's vote in Podunk counts for a whole lot more than it should.

If it hadn't been for the electoral college, not only would Drumpf not have been president, the margin would have been a lot bigger than 3 million votes because there would not have been the incentive to stay home and let somebody else bother that there was in states like NY and CA.

/We also need preference voting, to remove the concept of votes for third parties being spoilers.


and you just showed that you have no qualms about the tyranny of the majority. What you have done is basically made every minority and protected class person subject to the majority rule. Perhaps you should read about WHY this is a bad idea before trying to go with true democracy. There is a very good reason our system is setup the way it is. Just because you haven't won enough doesn't inherently make it bad.
2018-01-03 03:30:49 PM  
2 votes:

DarkVader: That's complete idiocy.


It is.  Right like cities are juts going to completely forget where food comes from.  Yup.  In this age of renewed focus on the quality, health, and sourcing of foods we're just gonna forget all that.
2018-01-03 03:29:59 PM  
2 votes:

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?

They're stupid.


Nope, that's not it.  They despise Trump, make no mistake about it.

They just despise Hillary more.
2018-01-03 03:27:00 PM  
2 votes:

Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?


He says all of the things they think when they're at work, but only say when they've had too many beers at Thanksgiving dinner.
2018-01-03 03:26:07 PM  
2 votes:

Tomahawk513: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

I used to think the EC was a good idea, but I have a harder and harder time justifying it.  I can't come up with a good explanation for why the vote of someone in a rural community should count more than a vote of someone in an urban community.  For that matter, why is representation assigned to states and not just geographical areas, at least in the House?  Why should Wyoming, with its population of just over 500,000 get its own House Representative when the average constituency size per Rep is 750,000?  That's more representation!  Why?  How could that be considered Democratic?


Because the racist assholes are more spread out geographically than the "urban" people.
2018-01-03 03:20:20 PM  
2 votes:

Antidamascus: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Yellow Beard:
Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

(wanking motion)

You know that means nothing, right? LOL.

In case you are so dim you don't know that, "counties won" is a meaningless metric that stupid fark Trump bragged about, temporarily, to make getting fewer votes than Clinton sound OK. He couldn't make the "millions of illegals voted" horseshiat stick, so he (or more likely one of his soulless minions, since he's not so good with the thinking) came up with the "counties" talking point.

It's like bragging about how many windows your car has, or debating tastes great vs. less filling.

Another data point that proves Republicans are the stupidest people on earth. The feeble pimping of weak shiat like this is, well, to use the biggest word the president actually knows the definition of: sad.

Yes but how many streets did Trump win? How many guns?


Watching adults -- I assume most of the people here are adults -- seriously repeating the stupid that Faux News shiats out, as if it's actual useful information, is depressing.

Identifying the stupid on Fark feels like cleaning barf or shiat out of the carpet. Necessary, but not fun. Despite my sarcastic LOL.
2018-01-03 03:19:43 PM  
2 votes:

Markoff_Cheney: kliq: I put the right wing derp radio and Steve Bannon is now worse than Hillary. This is farking hilarious.

Those hyenas sure do turn on their own in a heartbeat.


It's the pseudo-penises.
2018-01-03 03:17:01 PM  
2 votes:

Tomahawk513: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

I used to think the EC was a good idea, but I have a harder and harder time justifying it.  I can't come up with a good explanation for why the vote of someone in a rural community should count more than a vote of someone in an urban community.  For that matter, why is representation assigned to states and not just geographical areas, at least in the House?  Why should Wyoming, with its population of just over 500,000 get its own House Representative when the average constituency size per Rep is 750,000?  That's more representation!  Why?  How could that be considered Democratic?


And don't even get me started on the mother farking Senate...
2018-01-03 03:15:56 PM  
2 votes:

jst3p: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

Please provide some examples of how the population centers will "sell out" "fly over country". WTF does that even mean?


He may be thinking of the fact that those 15% of Clinton counties provide 70% of GDP.

No wait, that's probably not it at all.
2018-01-03 03:14:03 PM  
2 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: About the author.

[img.fark.net image 798x368]


However,


FWIW: The several times I saw Wolff at the White House, he was cleared-in with a blue 'appointment" badge allowing West Wing access, rather than a gray "press" badge.
- Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) January 3, 2018

So he may be prone to exaggeration but he did have more access than most. And we know the folks Trump surrounds himself with are not particuarly media savvy when it comes to on/off the record and speaking on background. I suspect the meat of the story is true while some of the anecdotes are highly polished.


Reminds me a little of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle - essentially a work of fiction, but based on the true accounts of people he interviewed.
2018-01-03 03:12:05 PM  
2 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: The Third Man: and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.

Nope. What ElwoodCuse said. Trump won whites of every income level. He ran on racism and won on racism because America is f*cking racist.


This.
2018-01-03 03:06:29 PM  
2 votes:
At this point watching the Trumpers cling to anything is seriously pitiful.
2018-01-03 03:05:59 PM  
2 votes:
Dear Diary,

Today was a funny sort of day ...
2018-01-03 03:05:54 PM  
2 votes: