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2018-01-03 03:01:05 PM  
Right wing twitter is trying out "The left loves Bannon now". Nah, biatch, take them both down.
 
2018-01-03 03:01:25 PM  

FortyHams: According to the article they're the first couple since Kennedy to sleep in separate rooms. The difference being that JFK's room was too full of young women and Trump's is just full of big mac wrappers and dirty clothes. pissy diapers

 
2018-01-03 03:01:29 PM  

amindtat: Snatch Bandergrip: I wrote that shiat five years ago.

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2018-01-03 03:01:34 PM  

Yellow Beard: Mechanicum: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Counties don't vote, people do

I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.


85% of "counties" is not in any way equivocal to 85% of the people. The government represents the people. Why are you having such a hard time comprehending this?
 
2018-01-03 03:02:27 PM  

Yellow Beard: Mechanicum: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Counties don't vote, people do

I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.


This. As Abraham Lincoln famously said in the Gettysburg Address, ". . . we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain-that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom-and that government of the counties, by the counties, for the counties, shall not perish from the earth.
 
2018-01-03 03:03:05 PM  

Valis992000: Yep, must be true, Michael Wolff said so.......is he more or less credible than that Un-named Source guy?


...more.
 
2018-01-03 03:04:26 PM  

fragMasterFlash: This just in, a cache of top secret HRC emails has been found on the computer of a guy who goes by the name Strongbad.


fhqwhgads
 
d23 [BareFark]
2018-01-03 03:04:39 PM  

Bloody William: Yellow Beard: I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.

How about we say one voter has one vote, and that mine shouldn't be worth a fraction of someone who simply has fewer, more spread-out neighbors than I do?


It's even worse than that.  Since these states have winner-take-all in the electoral college, a minority vote is worth even less in these places.  It's skewed on two levels: the vote for Trump is worth more in small states and the vote against Trump is worth virtually nothing.

As a non-Trump voter in Indiana, I essentially had NO vote in this election.
 
2018-01-03 03:05:20 PM  

fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.


If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.
 
2018-01-03 03:05:54 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Yellow Beard:
Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

(wanking motion)

You know that means nothing, right? LOL.

In case you are so dim you don't know that, "counties won" is a meaningless metric that stupid fark Trump bragged about, temporarily, to make getting fewer votes than Clinton sound OK. He couldn't make the "millions of illegals voted" horseshiat stick, so he (or more likely one of his soulless minions, since he's not so good with the thinking) came up with the "counties" talking point.

It's like bragging about how many windows your car has, or debating tastes great vs. less filling.

Another data point that proves Republicans are the stupidest people on earth. The feeble pimping of weak shiat like this is, well, to use the biggest word the president actually knows the definition of: sad.


Yes but how many streets did Trump win? How many guns?
 
2018-01-03 03:05:59 PM  
Dear Diary,

Today was a funny sort of day ...
 
2018-01-03 03:06:29 PM  
At this point watching the Trumpers cling to anything is seriously pitiful.
 
2018-01-03 03:06:33 PM  

durbnpoisn: [img.fark.net image 500x375]


Really...  At any point, Trump can resign and walk away from this thing.  No one would think any less of him.  In fact, he would probably be hailed as a hero.

You hear that, Trump?  There is a chance that you can walk away from this and people will actually like you for it.  If you continue the path of pretending that everything is fine, while burning down the world around you, you will go down in history as a disgraced buffoon.


He can't walk away. He appears to be in legal trouble and if he's just an average citizen he'll have no power to control or shape the investigation, no power to pardon his family members that might get ensnared, and he'll have no bully pulpit to speak from.
 
2018-01-03 03:06:42 PM  
About the author.

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However,


FWIW: The several times I saw Wolff at the White House, he was cleared-in with a blue 'appointment" badge allowing West Wing access, rather than a gray "press" badge.

- Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) January 3, 2018


So he may be prone to exaggeration but he did have more access than most. And we know the folks Trump surrounds himself with are not particuarly media savvy when it comes to on/off the record and speaking on background. I suspect the meat of the story is true while some of the anecdotes are highly polished.
 
2018-01-03 03:07:07 PM  

Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


Counties shouldn't matter only actual people should.
 
2018-01-03 03:07:49 PM  

andomania: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Counties shouldn't matter only actual people should.


Counties are people, my friend!
 
2018-01-03 03:08:06 PM  

The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.


As a fark you to the assholes who elected him. Sorry America, but you've become a Ponzi scheme of assholes being assholes to other assholes. The brown hole system, as I call it.
 
2018-01-03 03:09:07 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: About the author.

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However,


FWIW: The several times I saw Wolff at the White House, he was cleared-in with a blue 'appointment" badge allowing West Wing access, rather than a gray "press" badge.
- Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) January 3, 2018

So he may be prone to exaggeration but he did have more access than most. And we know the folks Trump surrounds himself with are not particuarly media savvy when it comes to on/off the record and speaking on background. I suspect the meat of the story is true while some of the anecdotes are highly polished.


It's apparently meaty enough to make Drumpf lose his shiat.
 
2018-01-03 03:09:23 PM  

Snapper Carr: Harlee: Snapper Carr: I wouldn't think any less of him* if he chose to resign.

*I am in fact, incapable of thinking any less of him so...

That would leave Pence in charge. Not sure you've thought your cunning plan all the way through here.

Pence is a god bothering idiot and would be a disaster but he appears to know how to act in a way that resembles a mature adult.

Regardless of what happens with Mueller's investigation or the midterms, there's no good outcome in the short term. Pence might be the least terrible option should D2S vacate the position.


I don't think so.  Pence is way more likely to get re-elected than Trump.
 
2018-01-03 03:09:41 PM  

Archidude: FortyHams: Sounds like they're going to have to completely redo the presidential bedroom after he leaves.

Tearing down the steel and concrete barrier that Melania had built down the center of the bed is going to be difficult.


Nope. From the article: "He retreated to his own bedroom - the first time since the Kennedy White House that a presidential couple had maintained separate rooms."

Even his own wife can't stand him.
 
2018-01-03 03:09:45 PM  
I put the right wing derp radio and Steve Bannon is now worse than Hillary. This is farking hilarious.
 
2018-01-03 03:09:46 PM  

fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.


Please provide some examples of how the population centers will "sell out" "fly over country". WTF does that even mean?
 
2018-01-03 03:10:23 PM  

J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: durbnpoisn: [img.fark.net image 500x375]


Really...  At any point, Trump can resign and walk away from this thing.  No one would think any less of him.  In fact, he would probably be hailed as a hero.

You hear that, Trump?  There is a chance that you can walk away from this and people will actually like you for it.  If you continue the path of pretending that everything is fine, while burning down the world around you, you will go down in history as a disgraced buffoon.

He can't walk away. He appears to be in legal trouble and if he's just an average citizen he'll have no power to control or shape the investigation, no power to pardon his family members that might get ensnared, and he'll have no bully pulpit to speak from.


Yet another parallel of this great man to the great Julius Caesar.
 
2018-01-03 03:11:28 PM  
Also, the illustrations are LOL-worthy.
 
2018-01-03 03:11:42 PM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Snapper Carr: Harlee: Snapper Carr: I wouldn't think any less of him* if he chose to resign.

*I am in fact, incapable of thinking any less of him so...

That would leave Pence in charge. Not sure you've thought your cunning plan all the way through here.

Pence is a god bothering idiot and would be a disaster but he appears to know how to act in a way that resembles a mature adult.

Regardless of what happens with Mueller's investigation or the midterms, there's no good outcome in the short term. Pence might be the least terrible option should D2S vacate the position.

I don't think so.  Pence is way more likely to get re-elected than Trump.


But mid-terms may prove the GOP brand is toxic. Jesus Ronny probably would have a tough time getting the win in 2020
 
2018-01-03 03:12:05 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The Third Man: and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.

Nope. What ElwoodCuse said. Trump won whites of every income level. He ran on racism and won on racism because America is f*cking racist.


This.
 
2018-01-03 03:12:09 PM  
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2018-01-03 03:12:48 PM  
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2018-01-03 03:13:45 PM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: This text is now purple: Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face

Everyone gets that look. The job ages people. It's like Moses coming down the mountain after having stood in the presence of God. Each year as President is like 4 in normal years.

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On the left, 1858.  On the right, 1865.


in HS we saw a movie about Lincoln, In it was a sculptor working in clay who would change his face as the years wore on. Was a very powerful visual
 
2018-01-03 03:14:03 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: About the author.

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However,


FWIW: The several times I saw Wolff at the White House, he was cleared-in with a blue 'appointment" badge allowing West Wing access, rather than a gray "press" badge.
- Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) January 3, 2018

So he may be prone to exaggeration but he did have more access than most. And we know the folks Trump surrounds himself with are not particuarly media savvy when it comes to on/off the record and speaking on background. I suspect the meat of the story is true while some of the anecdotes are highly polished.


Reminds me a little of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle - essentially a work of fiction, but based on the true accounts of people he interviewed.
 
2018-01-03 03:14:25 PM  

J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: durbnpoisn: [img.fark.net image 500x375]


Really...  At any point, Trump can resign and walk away from this thing.  No one would think any less of him.  In fact, he would probably be hailed as a hero.

You hear that, Trump?  There is a chance that you can walk away from this and people will actually like you for it.  If you continue the path of pretending that everything is fine, while burning down the world around you, you will go down in history as a disgraced buffoon.

He can't walk away. He appears to be in legal trouble and if he's just an average citizen he'll have no power to control or shape the investigation, no power to pardon his family members that might get ensnared, and he'll have no bully pulpit to speak from.


If things go the way many of us expect (hope), he will not retain that power anyway.
For that matter, if he pushes too hard in his effort to "control or shape" the investigation, he may get slapped with an Obstruction charge (regardless of what his lawyer says).
 
2018-01-03 03:14:36 PM  

Prey4reign: Cthulhukefka: Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face

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This one?

And, right behind an elated Mike Pence stands Donnie Half Scoop with a shiateatting grin on his face:
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That elation from Pence is his plan all coming together.  Pence thinks on a magnitude of order higher level than D2S.  He's smart enough to have realized, then and now, that he's never going to get elected president on his own.  But in that moment you see him figuring out that he just got his agenda enacted without ever having to win his own election.
 
2018-01-03 03:14:46 PM  

stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.


I used to think the EC was a good idea, but I have a harder and harder time justifying it.  I can't come up with a good explanation for why the vote of someone in a rural community should count more than a vote of someone in an urban community.  For that matter, why is representation assigned to states and not just geographical areas, at least in the House?  Why should Wyoming, with its population of just over 500,000 get its own House Representative when the average constituency size per Rep is 750,000?  That's more representation!  Why?  How could that be considered Democratic?
 
2018-01-03 03:15:08 PM  

Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.


The whole American system is complicit.

Face it: Europe has the right idea.  Our "experiment" has failed.
 
2018-01-03 03:15:56 PM  

jst3p: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

Please provide some examples of how the population centers will "sell out" "fly over country". WTF does that even mean?


He may be thinking of the fact that those 15% of Clinton counties provide 70% of GDP.

No wait, that's probably not it at all.
 
2018-01-03 03:16:11 PM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: This text is now purple: Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face

Everyone gets that look. The job ages people. It's like Moses coming down the mountain after having stood in the presence of God. Each year as President is like 4 in normal years.

[img.fark.net image 800x375]

On the left, 1858.  On the right, 1865.


Yeah.

Depression, marfans disease, suppressed bisexuality, and a farking civil war can take a toll.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2018-01-03 03:16:19 PM  

jst3p: Please provide some examples of how the population centers will "sell out" "fly over country". WTF does that even mean?


It means that the people he doesn't like, whether that be "dirty city people" or "brown people," get a bigger say so than he would like and will make a decision he doesn't agree with.
 
2018-01-03 03:16:39 PM  

kliq: I put the right wing derp radio and Steve Bannon is now worse than Hillary. This is farking hilarious.


Those hyenas sure do turn on their own in a heartbeat.
 
2018-01-03 03:16:43 PM  
Like it or not, we're stuck with the Electoral College. Why? Simple...it ultimately decides the winner, and the winner is not going to be the one who spearheads a movement to change it. You think Trump and the Rs will work to abolish it? Come next election when the Dems take POTUS and a majority of the seats, do you think they'll suddenly say, "OK, let's start tearing down the system that put us into office"? Nope, there's just no scenario I can see where the EC is dismantled as that effort needs to be started by the very folks who just benefited from it.
 
2018-01-03 03:16:47 PM  
Ho Lord, THIS nugget...

The First Children couple were having to navigate Trump's volatile nature just like everyone else in the White House. And they were willing to do it for the same reason as everyone else - in the hope that Trump's unexpected victory would catapult them into a heretofore unimagined big time. Balancing risk against reward, both Jared and Ivanka decided to accept roles in the West Wing over the advice of almost everyone they knew. It was a joint decision by the couple, and, in some sense, a joint job. Between themselves, the two had made an earnest deal: If sometime in the future the opportunity arose, she'd be the one to run for president. The first woman president, Ivanka entertained, would not be Hillary Clinton; it would be Ivanka Trump.
 
2018-01-03 03:17:01 PM  

Tomahawk513: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

I used to think the EC was a good idea, but I have a harder and harder time justifying it.  I can't come up with a good explanation for why the vote of someone in a rural community should count more than a vote of someone in an urban community.  For that matter, why is representation assigned to states and not just geographical areas, at least in the House?  Why should Wyoming, with its population of just over 500,000 get its own House Representative when the average constituency size per Rep is 750,000?  That's more representation!  Why?  How could that be considered Democratic?


And don't even get me started on the mother farking Senate...
 
2018-01-03 03:17:14 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Wolff


The argument against: Here's a piece Suck.com did on Wolff after he parlayed his disastrous stint running a dot-com into a book about how disastrous his stint running a dot-com was. (It's from 1998, so they were apparently reading A Song Of Ice And Fire: "Dire Wolff". They even highlight the New York / New Yorker dichotomy so many are still tripping over.)

The argument for: Trump has, indeed, lost his shiat, and is burning bridges with Bannon. Wolff's access (per Zeke Miller's tweet referenced above) may well have been sufficient for this to be truthy-enough.

/i fear we have triggered a sleeping snowflake, and filled him with a great resolve...
 
2018-01-03 03:17:18 PM  
I wouldn't be surprised if he thought losing would also insulate him from prosecution since normal American presidents don't try to punish their rivals. Now he's farked.
 
MFK
2018-01-03 03:17:19 PM  
jesus, this article seems to have brought a ton of assholes out of the woodwork to deflect and threadshiat. Must be a little too close to the mark to require an all hands on deck response
 
d23 [BareFark]
2018-01-03 03:17:26 PM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

The whole American system is complicit.

Face it: Europe has the right idea.  Our "experiment" has failed.


Since the Bush, Jr. administration, I have started really thinking the parliamentary system is the right one.  When the diaper gets full of shiat it can be changed, no matter whether it has been 4 years or not.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2018-01-03 03:18:00 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: kliq: I put the right wing derp radio and Steve Bannon is now worse than Hillary. This is farking hilarious.

Those hyenas sure do turn on their own in a heartbeat.


There are no ideas. Only the tribe.
 
2018-01-03 03:18:38 PM  

jst3p: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

Please provide some examples of how the population centers will "sell out" "fly over country". WTF does that even mean?


I heard this argument from a conservative concerning the EC: "What if all the cities get together and vote to chop down all the trees?" I was totally blown away; the argument was so ludicrous I didn't know how to deal with it.
 
2018-01-03 03:19:08 PM  

jst3p: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

Please provide some examples of how the population centers will "sell out" "fly over country". WTF does that even mean?


Why wouldn't the opposite be equally true?  Why wouldn't "fly over country" sell out population centers?  I mean they just. did.for Pete's Sake!  This new tax bill is more harmful to those living in states with higher taxation (AKA Population Centers) than to those living in more rural states!
 
2018-01-03 03:19:15 PM  

Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


So a plurality of voters should be ignored because they aren't spread out over enough land area and a minority of voters should decide who is president because they are scattered to hell and back?
 
MFK
2018-01-03 03:19:16 PM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

fark you.  All you deserve is one person one vote.  Your vote should not count more than mine, and currently it does, thanks to a wretched constitution designed to protect slavery and to generations of shiatheads who refused to improve or fix this "holy" document of American "exceptionalism".


yeah pretty much this. "we can't let NY and CA decide how the country is run so we let FL and OH do it instead"
 
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