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2018-01-03 01:26:53 PM  

durbnpoisn: Shaggy_C: Personally, I like to go on a 'cleanse' routine once per quarter. No caffeine, no dairy, no alcohol, no red meat, no gluten, no processed foods, no sugar. It lasts two weeks, and while doing it I'm about as miserable as can be. But, at the same time, looking forward to it being over and how great all of those things will be at the end (gasp - cheddar cheese! mein gott - white bread! dios mio - beer!) makes me appreciate them that much more.

TLDR version, you don't have to be an addict to get into a rut. Nothing wrong with hitting the reset button now and again and getting out of your comfort zone.

Counterpoint:
If you drink a good bit, every single day, and suddenly STOP doing it, without any warning, your body will go into crisis mode.  It will literally start shutting systems down.  This can kill you.


It's not so much shutting systems down as it is the nervous system, used to constantly battling a powerful depressant, goes farking apeshiat firing muscles wrongly and sometimes igniting a neural storm called a "seizure".  A bundle of fun which can be fatal.

The best and safest way to detox is to do it supervised.  Like in a hospital, hooked up to an IV.

I did that.  Went to the ER and got off surprisingly cheap (like $200 after insurance).  They gave me a followup scrip for Librium aka Chlordiazepoxide.  I never had a seizure, but was worried about it.  In later in-patient treatment, I witnessed a fellow alky just smoking his cigarette and chatting, suddenly stop talking, topple off the bench onto the ground in a seizure.  Scary shiat.  I learned from staff that you should turn a seizing person on their side so they don't choke on vomit.

Magnanimous_J: 151: Wish I could be the guy that could have "a couple drinks". I know I never will be.

Me neither. I can go sober or I can get hammered. That first drink flips a switch in my brain and unless I'm pressured to stop, I'll drink until I feel I've had enough.


Be very wary of alcohol.  I react the same way and usually "I've had enough" is when I "go to sleep" (pass out).  I've been in recovery for 2.5 years and totally alcohol free for 2 years.  I cannot resume drinking as I know can never be a normal drinker.

wutevr:
I quit all alcohol on 12/4/17...
i get melancholy sometimes when i think "i'll never have another drink" some times but i remember having those same feelings about both cigarettes and dip (which i've quit 19 years, and 4 years, respectively).  It gets better.


Here's my experience with that highlighted thought:  It kept me relapsing.  The thought of never drinking again was (is?) so monumental that I just had to get away with something *today* - because tomorrow I must be good.

I attend meetings of a certain, well-known, multi-step group and here is a valuable thing I learned there: I am not promising to not drink tomorrow - I'm just not worried about it.  I intend to not drink today which, especially after some sober time under my belt, seems a whole lot easier than forever.  Importantly, I do not *plan* to drink.  I'm not giving myself permission (even subconsciously, I hope) to drink again after some period of time (common periods are 6 months, a year, two years, five years), but I'm not obsessing over the future lack of drink.  Today?  Sober today is easy.
 
2018-01-03 01:27:13 PM  

Shaggy_C: durbnpoisn: Having said that - I am not implying that your idea is a bad one - for you.
If the detox works for you, then that is truly awesome.  But it may not be the best advice for everyone.  Certainly not for someone who drinks like 6 or 7 drinks a day, every day.

Well, I think we need to make a distinction between the 6 or 7 drinks a day type (which I think by most reasonable measures would be considered pretty extreme and indicate a real dependency) and the 1 or less a day type. So, I would revise my suggestion for a regular 'cleanse' to those who are not drinking every day, particularly not in excess every day. It's no different than how you wouldn't recommend a 400lb person to go on a 1500 calorie a day diet. Yes, it will work for a 150lb person, but it might kill the big person.

But, like anything, these always devolve into a slippery slope argument; who is to say someone's 10 a day on the weekends and bone dry during the week is any more or less of an issue than someone who is 6 or 7 a day every day versus someone who has 2 a day every day versus someone who is stone sober 29 days a month but has 20 drinks the night they do go out? Everyone needs to do what's best for themselves based on their own assessment of why, how often, and how much they drink in light of their long-term goals.


You are correct on all of this.  I cannot be the one to say what is too much for anyone else.  I only posted what I did to clarify that if you are a HEAVY drinker, trying to detox without supervision is dangerous.

For the record, when I say "6 or 7 a day", each one of those single drinks is the equivalent of a glass of wine, or a beer, or a little shooter of vodka.  Regardless of size, each of those are the same (same enough).  And, I was up to about 4 or 5 glasses of wine and 2 or 3 shooters, at my worst.  Every day.  So, yes, my drinking was excessive.
 
2018-01-03 01:39:17 PM  
January is like the only month I drink vodka regularly, and goddamnit that's not gonna change.

/ couldn't have a drinking problem if I wanted one
// go through a bottle of vodka about every three years
///yes, it's in the freezer
 
2018-01-03 01:46:24 PM  

durbnpoisn: ChipNASA: VERY good points.

I am on day 2 and I don't feel any effects I am concerned about, but yes, I've read exactly of which you speak.
I wasn't getting drunk per se, however I was getting a nice little buzz but having not the clearest memory of previous days evenings conversations. Not blackout at all but, foggy. It certainly was affecting my short term.
I bought some hard cider (6%) and wasn't going to drink it but I'll see how it goes. A young lady I know went through this, her husband found her on the floor naked and she'd probably drunk most of a 1/5 for the last time, she told me she coded out on the way and in the hospital, went to rehab and doesn't drink at all now.

I think my tolerance is pretty high but I'll have to watch myself over the coming days. I read that if you can get through 72 hours, then you're on the upswing.

I'm at work, no DTs, I did have a little night sweats and a little trouble getting back to sleep but I think I'm good.

Good Luck to all of us going forward.

Yeah, well, I've actually been through this.  And, as you can tell from my post, I was of the type that was drinking excessively.  If you have any questions, feel free to reach out.

Been there.  Glad to have it far in my rear view.


Good for you. After drinking (& other things) daily for 40 years I checked myself into a 6 month rehab program last year. Its still tuff sometimes. I REALLY enjoy the booze but All it wants is to kill me.
 
2018-01-03 01:54:02 PM  

DragonIV: January is like the only Every month I drink vodka regularly, and goddamnit that's not gonna change.

/ couldn't have a drinking problem if I wanted one
// go through a bottle of vodka about every three years four to 5 days days
///yes, it's in the freezer
////I welcome to FAARK
//FTFM
//I still have my slashies.

 
2018-01-03 02:00:33 PM  
I'm doing it this year, I also did no-drink November that lasted until the xmas season.

I found it kickstarted my weight loss and I overall felt better despite only drinking one day a week as a treat.
 
2018-01-03 02:02:05 PM  
I'd just like to reiterate what has been noted in other comments above - if you are a heavy drinker it is a very bad idea to quit cold turkey. Seek medical help. If you won't do that, gradually decrease your drinking over the course of days, eat and drink as much as you can and take vitamins. I am old and have lots of experience with this (clearly I am not alone here) but kids in their early twenties who haven't thought much about their heavy consumption could put themselves into real danger without realizing it. If you drink two beers a night you can completely disregard this advice.
 
2018-01-03 02:04:46 PM  
I guess I don't have a drinking problem, because I don't have much of the side effects your all talking about.
 
2018-01-03 02:08:51 PM  

American-Irish eyes: I guess I don't have a drinking problem, because I don't have much of the side effects you're all talking about.


Try again sport.

/drunk-like typing detected.
 
2018-01-03 02:10:34 PM  
I was actually considering taking up alcoholism this year. It's a change from my usual, failed, healthy new year's resolutions and not that big a deal if I don't keep it. Depending on how it goes, I make take up crack next year.
 
2018-01-03 02:17:46 PM  
I'm doubling down and quitting the 2-pack a day Camel light habit along with the beer. I did the math the other day and it works out to about $950/month.
I wish everyone luck. One day at a time.
 
2018-01-03 02:28:30 PM  

mr_larry: I'm doubling down and quitting the 2-pack a day Camel light habit along with the beer. I did the math the other day and it works out to about $950/month.
I wish everyone luck. One day at a time.


Best of luck! My brother struggled to quit but was finally able to with the help of Chantix. It's made a tremendous difference in his health and budget.
 
2018-01-03 02:28:54 PM  

phaseolus: I drank a bit in Mexico last spring when the owner of the company I work for was paying for some very good stuff. I had a few beers in summer. I'll probably have a couple more next summer. I frankly don't get any pleasure outta alcohol, but I like stuff that tastes nice.

Now, if I could only break this damned sugar addiction...


I totally recommend the Cracked videos (I can see that WTF look you're giving me right now) for honest ads. Specifically the ones for energy drinks and cola. The skeezy leer he gives you as he points out you're physically addicted to sugar is helping me out a little.
 
2018-01-03 02:31:27 PM  
Here is the best tool to quit smoking. It has the highest rate of success. It explains the nicotine addiction. I read this a few years ago about 5 pages at a time. I'm re-reading it right now.
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2018-01-03 02:49:09 PM  

FormlessOne: ...why?

Never mind the patronizing tone of the article, or the insistence that "it's an increasing trend" to convince you to do it - if you're drinking so much beer that you have to schedule a month off to "appreciate beer and not take it for granted", maybe changing your overall habits is in order. If you're drinking so much booze that you not only have to schedule a month off to "improve your health," but have to drink camouflaged beverages so that your drinking buddies don't realize that you're not drinking, maybe you need to figure out the definition of the word, "moderation", and how it should apply to you.

See, this whole "I took some time off to prove that I wasn't an alcoholic" bit is what alcoholics do to deny the simple fact that they're alcoholics. "Look - I've got self control! Now, back to the booze!"


that's exactly correct.  two of my neighbors go on a 30-day reverse binge each year.  I just laugh at them and say that's proof that you drink too much - and you know it.  The other 335 days in the year I see one or the other heading to the others house for 3 hours of drinking.
 
2018-01-03 03:06:07 PM  
I had a heart attack a few years back. Last year I went to the cardiologist for my annual follow-up.

C: How much do you drink?

Me: I go a week or two without drinking, then maybe one or two a day, then dry again. It's not something I plan; I just don't like to play video games buzzed and I really like playing video games.

C: You should drink more.

Me: Okay.

Turns out they recommend moderate alcohol consumption, for me, for anti-blood-clotting reasons. I could quit drinking entirely (not going to happen) and I definitely need to stop the kind of binge drinking that leads me to play high-stakes blackjack in Vegas and lose $5000 (I won it all back when I sobered up), but I really should try to at least have a scotch a day.

Put like that, it sounds like it should be easy, but when I'm just sitting around at home I don't usually think, "I guess I'll pour myself a Bunnahabhain now." I'm more of a social drinker, but this is mitigated by the fact that I'm an antisocial introvert. Also I'm on a weight-loss kick - not because of any resolutions; this has been a thing for me for months.

So no dry January for me - though I haven't had a drop since NYE. Guess I'll break out the Bunnahabhain tonight.
 
2018-01-03 03:14:35 PM  
Good Luck, everyone!

Coming up on 11 months. Before this, every few years I'd quit for a month and--not being physically addicted--it was always easy: but it was serving a short sentence kind of easy. On the day after one month, I'd have a drink in my hand early and often. There was never any thought of extending it. I've needed a different mindset to quit and stay quit. Your mileage will vary, though, as we all seem to go about our addictions in different ways and means.
 
2018-01-03 03:18:29 PM  

Lipspinach: Good for you. After drinking (& other things) daily for 40 years I checked myself into a 6 month rehab program last year. Its still tuff sometimes. I REALLY enjoy the booze but All it wants is to kill me.


I'm having an easy time of it.  I don't miss it.  I don't miss how it made me feel.  I'm super happy to have that monkey off my back, to use an old metaphor.

Perhaps I should consider myself very lucky.  Because I hear many stories like yours.  And that's got to be pretty goddam hard.
 
2018-01-03 03:25:55 PM  

durbnpoisn: Lipspinach: Good for you. After drinking (& other things) daily for 40 years I checked myself into a 6 month rehab program last year. Its still tuff sometimes. I REALLY enjoy the booze but All it wants is to kill me.

I'm having an easy time of it.  I don't miss it.  I don't miss how it made me feel.  I'm super happy to have that monkey off my back, to use an old metaphor.

Perhaps I should consider myself very lucky.  Because I hear many stories like yours.  And that's got to be pretty goddam hard.


I *just* got through telling my boss, who is aware of my condition, that I'd rather not travel to a customer site in Mexico by myself next week.  It's not just that the hotel has a social hour most nights with free beer, rum and tequila, but anxiety too.  Anxiety that I might drink and anxiety that I might get anxiety about getting anxiety about... something, probably drinking.
 
2018-01-03 03:26:28 PM  
I guess I should point out that I never have anxiety while drunk.
 
2018-01-03 03:27:27 PM  

ChipNASA: Erik_Emune: I'm giving it a try. Life turned increasingly crappy over the second half of 2017, and I found myself using alcohol to cope more than I really liked. The holidays saw the end of my good booze, anyway, and so it seems a good time to put the brakes on. We'll see.

Subby here.
After drinking mostly non stop daily for what seems like forever, and having pains in my sides and such (Liver? Kidneys? Pancreas? also from slipping and falling down on my side who knows)
I'm TWO WHOLE DAYS IN!!

We'll see how long it lasts.

I'll check back with you freaks for support.
(Yeah I did it before when I had a bar in my room in the dorm when I was in the Air Force, so it's possible.)

B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-uuttt I *like* drinking.

I'm going to go the lots of tonic and lime route and maybe non Alcoholic Beer (BUT WHY?!?!?)

2017 just sucked donkey dicks, got divorced after 2 years and $20,000 but I have custody of my kids, my house and all my retirement, so I got that going for me which is nice.

Single Sober Dad for 2018. Wish me luck.


Good luck. Try not to focus on quitting because all you'll be able to think about then is a nice strong drink. I used to be a massive alcoholic as opposed to these days I'm just an average alcoholic. When I first quit I made a point of drinking four litres of water a day, to wash out toxins and just to be so full of liquid booze lost its appeal a bit.
Make a list of reasons you want to quit and keep it with you. I respect you for making such a tough decision.
 
2018-01-03 03:27:43 PM  

durbnpoisn: Shaggy_C: Personally, I like to go on a 'cleanse' routine once per quarter. No caffeine, no dairy, no alcohol, no red meat, no gluten, no processed foods, no sugar. It lasts two weeks, and while doing it I'm about as miserable as can be. But, at the same time, looking forward to it being over and how great all of those things will be at the end (gasp - cheddar cheese! mein gott - white bread! dios mio - beer!) makes me appreciate them that much more.

TLDR version, you don't have to be an addict to get into a rut. Nothing wrong with hitting the reset button now and again and getting out of your comfort zone.

Counterpoint:
If you drink a good bit, every single day, and suddenly STOP doing it, without any warning, your body will go into crisis mode.  It will literally start shutting systems down.  This can kill you.

This is why it is a terrible, terrible idea to quit drinking cold turkey.  You have to wean yourself off of it.

The unfortunate reality to that is that most people cannot do that whole "weaning" thing.  They go a couple of days, and then are drinking as much as they did before.
The best and safest way to detox is to do it supervised.  Like in a hospital, hooked up to an IV.

Then, when everything is completely and safely out of your system, there is no danger of shocking it.

Having said that - I am not implying that your idea is a bad one - for you.
If the detox works for you, then that is truly awesome.  But it may not be the best advice for everyone.  Certainly not for someone who drinks like 6 or 7 drinks a day, every day.


You'd have to be getting pretty blitzed every day for at least a week to get to this point. If you're only having 5 to 8 drinks a day for awhile, you may get the shakes (I have) but your body won't go into crisis mode unless you develop a VERY VERY strong physical dependence.

That being said, i'm not a doctor and if you feel you have a problem, then seek help to get yourself to quit and heed that person's advice. Weening can help but you have to basically half your amount daily until you're not catching a buzz and then stop. Good luck.
 
2018-01-03 03:35:43 PM  

ChipNASA: Erik_Emune: I'm giving it a try. Life turned increasingly crappy over the second half of 2017, and I found myself using alcohol to cope more than I really liked. The holidays saw the end of my good booze, anyway, and so it seems a good time to put the brakes on. We'll see.

Subby here.
After drinking mostly non stop daily for what seems like forever, and having pains in my sides and such (Liver? Kidneys? Pancreas? also from slipping and falling down on my side who knows)
I'm TWO WHOLE DAYS IN!!

We'll see how long it lasts.

I'll check back with you freaks for support.
(Yeah I did it before when I had a bar in my room in the dorm when I was in the Air Force, so it's possible.)

B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-uuttt I *like* drinking.

I'm going to go the lots of tonic and lime route and maybe non Alcoholic Beer (BUT WHY?!?!?)

2017 just sucked donkey dicks, got divorced after 2 years and $20,000 but I have custody of my kids, my house and all my retirement, so I got that going for me which is nice.

Single Sober Dad for 2018. Wish me luck.


Keep yourself super busy and avoid drama and triggers.  Start some new hobbies, exercise and/or sleep a lot.  Find lots of fun, non alcoholic things to drink and keep your hands and mouth busy - I considered taking up herbal vaping (not nicotine or pot).  I drank the same way you did until forced into quitting and out patient treatment by a court order - it was that or jail.  No alcohol for three months now, wish I had done it sooner because it wasn't that hard physically, and though uncomfortable, it was doable mentally/emotionally.  The liver/kidney/pancreas pains went away and I sleep, eat and overall feel better.

The pee tests end this month and I'll be free to drink again if I choose.  I don't miss it 95% of the time, but every once in awhile that old voice whispers in my ear that now that I'm not dependent on the substance, I can go back to drinking but only in moderation this time.
 
2018-01-03 03:38:14 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: I had a heart attack a few years back. Last year I went to the cardiologist for my annual follow-up.

C: How much do you drink?

Me: I go a week or two without drinking, then maybe one or two a day, then dry again. It's not something I plan; I just don't like to play video games buzzed and I really like playing video games.

C: You should drink more.

Me: Okay.

Turns out they recommend moderate alcohol consumption, for me, for anti-blood-clotting reasons.


That seems like really iffy advise for a Doc to be giving, though it seems he probed to make sure you weren't an alcoholic already.  He should really be telling you to take Plavix or a new-fangled "blood thinner" like Eliquis, but thinks you and your insurance company will balk.

Plavix is pricey but Eliquis is patented and costs close to a grand a month, which MediCare is obligated to pay in-full.  In my case, my insurance pays whatever it pays and I have additional "free insurance" from the makers of Eliquis such that I pay nothing for it.

In your case, I recommend asking your Doc (or a another Doc) about Plavix and similar meds.

/I am not a Doctor but I do make a lot of their boat payments
 
2018-01-03 03:47:22 PM  

hammettman: I banked some days over the holidays as I had family in and wanted to set an example.


I followed a similar curve:

DRINKS
12/21   6
12/22   5
12/23   8 (family arrives)
12/24   I can't remember
12/25   who's counting?
12/26-12/30  I can't add all that together (I'm told family returned to their homes during that time)
12/31-1/1   0
1/2         0
1/3         (forecasting possibly two)
 
2018-01-03 03:59:26 PM  

Magnanimous_J: For anyone doing it for the first time, after the first couple days, you don't even think about it. That being said, TV isn't as good, video games aren't as fun, people are way more annoying, and you might come to find modern life interminably boring.


You gotta stick around for the "Pink Cloud", or the sobriety high.  Hit me after about six weeks and life became awesome - still is.  I've read that the Pink Cloud is temporary though, so you're supposed to learn new techniques to enjoy life without alcohol.  Instead of fantasizing about the new you drinking small amounts of quality, expensive wine instead of rotgutsky vodka by the 1.75 liter.
 
2018-01-03 04:10:41 PM  

Mukster: Clean and sober for 72 hours and counting.


keep it up.  I've been sober two years now and I was pretty bad off.  The only solution that has worked for me is to not take the first drink.  If I could drink moderately, I would, but that's never really worked for long.
 
2018-01-03 04:11:20 PM  

Beltway Bandito: ChipNASA: Erik_Emune: I'm giving it a try. Life turned increasingly crappy over the second half of 2017, and I found myself using alcohol to cope more than I really liked. The holidays saw the end of my good booze, anyway, and so it seems a good time to put the brakes on. We'll see.

Subby here.
After drinking mostly non stop daily for what seems like forever, and having pains in my sides and such (Liver? Kidneys? Pancreas? also from slipping and falling down on my side who knows)
I'm TWO WHOLE DAYS IN!!

We'll see how long it lasts.

I'll check back with you freaks for support.
(Yeah I did it before when I had a bar in my room in the dorm when I was in the Air Force, so it's possible.)

B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-uuttt I *like* drinking.

I'm going to go the lots of tonic and lime route and maybe non Alcoholic Beer (BUT WHY?!?!?)

2017 just sucked donkey dicks, got divorced after 2 years and $20,000 but I have custody of my kids, my house and all my retirement, so I got that going for me which is nice.

Single Sober Dad for 2018. Wish me luck.

Keep yourself super busy and avoid drama and triggers.  Start some new hobbies, exercise and/or sleep a lot.  Find lots of fun, non alcoholic things to drink and keep your hands and mouth busy - I considered taking up herbal vaping (not nicotine or pot).  I drank the same way you did until forced into quitting and out patient treatment by a court order - it was that or jail.  No alcohol for three months now, wish I had done it sooner because it wasn't that hard physically, and though uncomfortable, it was doable mentally/emotionally.  The liver/kidney/pancreas pains went away and I sleep, eat and overall feel better.

The pee tests end this month and I'll be free to drink again if I choose.  I don't miss it 95% of the time, but every once in awhile that old voice whispers in my ear that now that I'm not dependent on the substance, I can go back to drinking but only in moderation this time.


This.  The bolded part.

I taught myself how to code Android apps, and started doing massive amounts of work on my website.
It gave me something new to do that got me thinking about other shiat on a near constant basis.  I also discovered that fruit juice has enough sugar to compensate for lack of sugary alcohol.  I'm particularly fond of the Tropicana varieties...

My business earned a bunch of extra money last year, and much of it was from ad revenue from Android apps.

I wouldn't have any of that if I was drunk the whole time.
 
2018-01-03 04:32:48 PM  

durbnpoisn: I also discovered that fruit juice has enough sugar to compensate for lack of sugary alcohol.  I'm particularly fond of the Tropicana varieties...


The onset of an insatiable sugar tooth was a surprise...I haven't liked sweet things for years, always prefered savory and Atkins-South Beach Diet type foods.  Now, I crave sugar everyday.  I eat candy, ice cream, lots of sweetener in tea and coffee.  Now I'm worried about diabeetus!
 
2018-01-03 04:48:06 PM  

Beltway Bandito: durbnpoisn: I also discovered that fruit juice has enough sugar to compensate for lack of sugary alcohol.  I'm particularly fond of the Tropicana varieties...

The onset of an insatiable sugar tooth was a surprise...I haven't liked sweet things for years, always prefered savory and Atkins-South Beach Diet type foods.  Now, I crave sugar everyday.  I eat candy, ice cream, lots of sweetener in tea and coffee.  Now I'm worried about diabeetus!


Haha...  Me too.  When I brought this up to my doctor, I was like, "Doc, I'm eating ice cream like a madman."
"Well, your body is craving all that missing sugar.  Just go with it.  It's not bad for you."
"What about diabetes?"
"Your metabolism is burning that stuff off before it will become a problem.  Just don't go nuts with it."
 
2018-01-03 05:25:06 PM  
2 drinks a day is "dry", right?

Yay, Dryuary!
 
2018-01-03 05:49:20 PM  
What is with this protestant crazy shiat? No Drinking January, No Jerking November, what else. The puritans are strong with this.
 
2018-01-03 06:01:18 PM  

daddio: What is with this protestant crazy shiat? No Drinking January, No Jerking November, what else. The puritans are strong with this.


I'm more thinking shriveled up livers and throbbing heads after NYE.
 
2018-01-03 07:39:44 PM  
My birthday is in January, so no. That's not going to happen.
 
2018-01-03 07:54:40 PM  
Nobody likes a filthy quitter.

Go bathe, losers.
 
2018-01-03 09:31:24 PM  

ChipNASA: Erik_Emune: I'm giving it a try. Life turned increasingly crappy over the second half of 2017, and I found myself using alcohol to cope more than I really liked. The holidays saw the end of my good booze, anyway, and so it seems a good time to put the brakes on. We'll see.

Subby here.
After drinking mostly non stop daily for what seems like forever, and having pains in my sides and such (Liver? Kidneys? Pancreas? also from slipping and falling down on my side who knows)
I'm TWO WHOLE DAYS IN!!

We'll see how long it lasts.

I'll check back with you freaks for support.
(Yeah I did it before when I had a bar in my room in the dorm when I was in the Air Force, so it's possible.)

B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-uuttt I *like* drinking.

I'm going to go the lots of tonic and lime route and maybe non Alcoholic Beer (BUT WHY?!?!?)

2017 just sucked donkey dicks, got divorced after 2 years and $20,000 but I have custody of my kids, my house and all my retirement, so I got that going for me which is nice.

Single Sober Dad for 2018. Wish me luck.


Good luck!
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2018-01-03 09:47:05 PM  
Take your moralizing tochis for a long walk across a short pier.

I come from a LOOOONG line of alcoholics. Some of them moderately productive and successful, most turned into abusive asshats whose livers turned on them in self defense. There isn't a damn argument that folks can make that I haven't thought of already. I work in an industry where chefs are often the victims of their own excesses.

I drink in moderation, and NO, that's NOT the name of the restaurant I work at, though it IS perhaps the name of a joint I might open one day. I drink with a keen eye on my own behavior, and I listen to those around me, as well as my doctors, and thus far...I think I can handle myself without falling into Demon Rum and the fearful lack of control that some folks fear because they want to moralize on OTHER peoples' behavior, because they can't handle themselves.

You want to do this? Fine. Prove to yourself that you can handle it. If you have to prove to yourself that you can "handle" not drinking, then you may indeed have a problem. But it's less about the booze than some deeper issues...
 
2018-01-03 10:20:08 PM  

hubiestubert: Take your moralizing tochis for a long walk across a short pier.

I come from a LOOOONG line of alcoholics. Some of them moderately productive and successful, most turned into abusive asshats whose livers turned on them in self defense. There isn't a damn argument that folks can make that I haven't thought of already. I work in an industry where chefs are often the victims of their own excesses.

I drink in moderation, and NO, that's NOT the name of the restaurant I work at, though it IS perhaps the name of a joint I might open one day. I drink with a keen eye on my own behavior, and I listen to those around me, as well as my doctors, and thus far...I think I can handle myself without falling into Demon Rum and the fearful lack of control that some folks fear because they want to moralize on OTHER peoples' behavior, because they can't handle themselves.

You want to do this? Fine. Prove to yourself that you can handle it. If you have to prove to yourself that you can "handle" not drinking, then you may indeed have a problem. But it's less about the booze than some deeper issues...


Easy there, tiger.  Some people play these games because they're afraid, others just out of boredom.

Most people in recovery don't go out and proselytize or rail against the evils of [substance], because they know it does no good.  It's better to be quietly ready to embrace when someone does come asking for help.
 
2018-01-03 10:25:47 PM  

SansNeural: Most people in recovery don't go out and proselytize or rail against the evils of [substance], because they know it does no good.  It's better to be quietly ready to embrace when someone does come asking for help.


You have to remember, that I grew up in the South. MOST of the folks who railed against Demon Drink when I was young were either teetotalers or closet alcoholics, and preached mainly to make themselves feel better. BOTH are sh*tty ways to preach to folks who might have issues. And both make me tetchy...because their disingenuous and NOT about saving anyone, but about making other people feel bad, and that does nothing to make anything in this sorry old world better...
 
2018-01-04 12:15:41 AM  

make me some tea: I'm doing it.


Me too. A few of my buddies and I do it every year. It's nice to clear the cobwebs...
 
2018-01-04 01:01:03 AM  
Nothing but dry martinis for a whole month?

Itll be tough but hey its for charity right?

//didnt RTFA
 
2018-01-04 07:46:13 AM  

hubiestubert: Take your moralizing tochis for a long walk across a short pier.

I come from a LOOOONG line of alcoholics. Some of them moderately productive and successful, most turned into abusive asshats whose livers turned on them in self defense. There isn't a damn argument that folks can make that I haven't thought of already. I work in an industry where chefs are often the victims of their own excesses.

I drink in moderation, and NO, that's NOT the name of the restaurant I work at, though it IS perhaps the name of a joint I might open one day. I drink with a keen eye on my own behavior, and I listen to those around me, as well as my doctors, and thus far...I think I can handle myself without falling into Demon Rum and the fearful lack of control that some folks fear because they want to moralize on OTHER peoples' behavior, because they can't handle themselves.

You want to do this? Fine. Prove to yourself that you can handle it. If you have to prove to yourself that you can "handle" not drinking, then you may indeed have a problem. But it's less about the booze than some deeper issues...


Speaking as one of the people who has been vocal about being a non-drinker nowadays, I know for a fact that I did not once, in this thread, or anywhere else, condemn anyone for their behavior. Or for their wanting to drink, or any of the other things of which you have accused us.

I have been very careful to take a "live and let live" stance on the whole thing.  I have not "moralized".  I have not "demonized".  I haven't passed judgement on anyone for what they do (not about this).  But when one person here says out loud that they want help, I will be there to give words of encouragement.

I don't know what you think you're doing.  But other than bragging about how well you have things under control, and being really condescending, I don't see that you've accomplished anything here.
 
2018-01-04 08:07:17 AM  

durbnpoisn: hubiestubert: Take your moralizing tochis for a long walk across a short pier.

I come from a LOOOONG line of alcoholics. Some of them moderately productive and successful, most turned into abusive asshats whose livers turned on them in self defense. There isn't a damn argument that folks can make that I haven't thought of already. I work in an industry where chefs are often the victims of their own excesses.

I drink in moderation, and NO, that's NOT the name of the restaurant I work at, though it IS perhaps the name of a joint I might open one day. I drink with a keen eye on my own behavior, and I listen to those around me, as well as my doctors, and thus far...I think I can handle myself without falling into Demon Rum and the fearful lack of control that some folks fear because they want to moralize on OTHER peoples' behavior, because they can't handle themselves.

You want to do this? Fine. Prove to yourself that you can handle it. If you have to prove to yourself that you can "handle" not drinking, then you may indeed have a problem. But it's less about the booze than some deeper issues...

Speaking as one of the people who has been vocal about being a non-drinker nowadays, I know for a fact that I did not once, in this thread, or anywhere else, condemn anyone for their behavior. Or for their wanting to drink, or any of the other things of which you have accused us.

I have been very careful to take a "live and let live" stance on the whole thing.  I have not "moralized".  I have not "demonized".  I haven't passed judgement on anyone for what they do (not about this).  But when one person here says out loud that they want help, I will be there to give words of encouragement.

I don't know what you think you're doing.  But other than bragging about how well you have things under control, and being really condescending, I don't see that you've accomplished anything here.


That you thought I was addressing you, as opposed to TFA, and got your danders up maybe says a bit more than you realize.
 
2018-01-04 08:42:04 AM  

hubiestubert: That you thought I was addressing you, as opposed to TFA, and got your danders up maybe says a bit more than you realize.


I figured out you were referring to the article, but it took me a couple of reads to be sure.  It did sound flamey from the start.
 
2018-01-04 10:16:27 AM  
Kramer - I'm Out!
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2018-01-04 10:57:46 AM  

hubiestubert: durbnpoisn: hubiestubert: Take your moralizing tochis for a long walk across a short pier.

I come from a LOOOONG line of alcoholics. Some of them moderately productive and successful, most turned into abusive asshats whose livers turned on them in self defense. There isn't a damn argument that folks can make that I haven't thought of already. I work in an industry where chefs are often the victims of their own excesses.

I drink in moderation, and NO, that's NOT the name of the restaurant I work at, though it IS perhaps the name of a joint I might open one day. I drink with a keen eye on my own behavior, and I listen to those around me, as well as my doctors, and thus far...I think I can handle myself without falling into Demon Rum and the fearful lack of control that some folks fear because they want to moralize on OTHER peoples' behavior, because they can't handle themselves.

You want to do this? Fine. Prove to yourself that you can handle it. If you have to prove to yourself that you can "handle" not drinking, then you may indeed have a problem. But it's less about the booze than some deeper issues...

Speaking as one of the people who has been vocal about being a non-drinker nowadays, I know for a fact that I did not once, in this thread, or anywhere else, condemn anyone for their behavior. Or for their wanting to drink, or any of the other things of which you have accused us.

I have been very careful to take a "live and let live" stance on the whole thing.  I have not "moralized".  I have not "demonized".  I haven't passed judgement on anyone for what they do (not about this).  But when one person here says out loud that they want help, I will be there to give words of encouragement.

I don't know what you think you're doing.  But other than bragging about how well you have things under control, and being really condescending, I don't see that you've accomplished anything here.

That you thought I was addressing you, as opposed to TFA, and got your danders u ...


There has been a pretty good discussions going on, and I thought you were addressing it directly.  Not just me, the entire discussion.

I wasn't exactly trying to make it about me.  The tone of your post did not seem to be directed at TFA.
 
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