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(The Intercept)   16,000 words on what it is like to cover the C.I.A. when the government (and your bosses at the Times) don't like what you find   ( theintercept.com) divider line
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2018-01-03 10:39:01 AM  
Excellent find, subby.
 
2018-01-03 10:46:48 AM  
Anyone got a 16 word version?
 
2018-01-03 10:56:28 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: Anyone got a 16 word version?


I sure don't, and I'm only 1/3 of the way through.
 
2018-01-03 11:02:27 AM  
FTFA:

The smartest officials realized that leaks to the press often helped them, bringing fresh eyes to stale internal debates. And the fact that the press was there, waiting for leaks, lent some discipline to the system. A top CIA official once told me that his rule of thumb for whether a covert operation should be approved was, "How will this look on the front page of the New York Times?" If it would look bad, don't do it. Of course, his rule of thumb was often ignored.
 
2018-01-03 11:12:04 AM  
This is perhaps the scariest thing I have read in a long, long time:

In another recent incident that gave me chilling insight into the power of government surveillance, I met with a sensitive and well-placed source through an intermediary. After the meeting, which occurred a few years ago in Europe, I began to do research on the source. About an hour later, I got a call from the intermediary, who said, "Stop Googling his name."
 
2018-01-03 11:13:47 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: Anyone got a 16 word version?


"Never trust the government, no matter who is in charge.  Both sides really are truly bad."

That should about cover it.
 
2018-01-03 12:22:46 PM  
It is a VERY long read, but IMO, very worth it.

It clearly describes the strong push to squash reports that are unfavorable/embarrassing to the government.  Started with W, increased through Obama, and likely will be pushed hard with Trump and the Fake News! team.
 
2018-01-03 12:47:37 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: Anyone got a 16 word version?


Newspaper editors apparently have forgotten how deeply sucky the US government can get.
 
2018-01-03 12:48:36 PM  

abb3w: Newspaper editors apparently have forgotten how deeply sucky the US government can get.


Oh, I get three more words: Some reporters haven't.
 
2018-01-03 12:50:39 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: Anyone got a 16 word version?


img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2018-01-03 12:56:33 PM  

dittybopper: Excellent find, subby.


Oh indeed it was but it is also terrifying as well. Again I really like Obama's and wish everyday he was still president but these types of decisions are scary when you realize who followed Obama's. This is why Triml is so much eager to get us into a war.
 
2018-01-03 01:13:44 PM  
Such a heartwarming story....
 
2018-01-03 01:44:47 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: Anyone got a 16 word version?


To get a fark greenlight you need 280 characters these days.
 
2018-01-03 01:49:17 PM  

dittybopper: This is perhaps the scariest thing I have read in a long, long time:

In another recent incident that gave me chilling insight into the power of government surveillance, I met with a sensitive and well-placed source through an intermediary. After the meeting, which occurred a few years ago in Europe, I began to do research on the source. About an hour later, I got a call from the intermediary, who said, "Stop Googling his name."


Lrn 2 [ tor / VPN / Starbucks ], newb.

Or, ya know, all three at once. From a stolen laptop. And a cash card. Bartered from a dealer.

Sheesh.

/ also, sounds too good, or at least narrative confirming, to be true....
 
2018-01-03 01:50:43 PM  

dittybopper: This is perhaps the scariest thing I have read in a long, long time:

In another recent incident that gave me chilling insight into the power of government surveillance, I met with a sensitive and well-placed source through an intermediary. After the meeting, which occurred a few years ago in Europe, I began to do research on the source. About an hour later, I got a call from the intermediary, who said, "Stop Googling his name."


I would say Trump's tweet's, especially the one regarding the "button" he has are far scarier.

Since the dawn of communication via electrons communication bas been able to be intercepted.  You know this so please stop with the "This is scary."

And if you are working as a report with the CIA you think they are not going to monitor you?
 
2018-01-03 01:55:49 PM  

SFSailor: dittybopper: This is perhaps the scariest thing I have read in a long, long time:

In another recent incident that gave me chilling insight into the power of government surveillance, I met with a sensitive and well-placed source through an intermediary. After the meeting, which occurred a few years ago in Europe, I began to do research on the source. About an hour later, I got a call from the intermediary, who said, "Stop Googling his name."

Lrn 2 [ tor / VPN / Starbucks ], newb.

Or, ya know, all three at once. From a stolen laptop. And a cash card. Bartered from a dealer.

Sheesh.

/ also, sounds too good, or at least narrative confirming, to be true....


I have a burner phone and tablet in a drawer, that have never been used in my home, or any of my local haunts.

I never do anything illegal, but in this day and age you never know what might happen to you.  Or someone might cross me...
 
2018-01-03 01:57:12 PM  

theflatline: Since the dawn of communication communication bas been able to be intercepted.


Probably closer to truth, eh?

Or, erm, _everything_ is electrons, so never mind! My bad!
 
2018-01-03 02:01:25 PM  

SFSailor: theflatline: Since the dawn of communication communication bas been able to be intercepted.

Probably closer to truth, eh?

Or, erm, _everything_ is electrons, so never mind! My bad!


Ditty is a "third party" never Hilary kinda guy, who hates Obama, he was trying to get some bites to turn into "O was spying on us".  But he also a communications guy(a morse code translator) so do no believe his "faux outrage" that someone can have their web traffic monitored.

Especially since he is always posting how he mostly off the grid.
 
2018-01-03 02:08:20 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: SecretAgentWoman: Anyone got a 16 word version?

[img.fark.net image 660x309]


The end of that animation reminded me of this.
 
2018-01-03 02:08:20 PM  
James Risen is a national hero. So of course he's treated like a criminal. Keep reading his stuff if you want to keep up with the real criminals running our country into the ground.
 
2018-01-03 02:08:53 PM  

theflatline: <redacted> is a "third party" never Hilary kinda guy, who hates Obama


Oh, I know... sorry.  I hit reply before I saw the handle.  I need to add a farky or three 'round here lately, especially since some *cough* seem to have had a schizophrenic break recently-ish.  That said, I could conceivably get behind a "they all do it!" paranoiac position, but certainly not any "one side is worse than the other," especially if it's IOKIYAR flavored.
 
2018-01-03 02:10:22 PM  
Great read. And it should be used against anyone who claims the NYT is a bastion of liberals

They could have blown the election season wide open if they dropped that bombshell in 2004. They did not and we got 4 more years of Bush.

I don't and will never trust the NYT after that. They lost huge by sitting on that story. The whole mood of america BS after 9/11. Sorry you were just scared to do your job and only did it when your reporter forced you to do it.
 
2018-01-03 02:11:07 PM  
Fascinating read. Great find, Mitter
 
2018-01-03 02:15:10 PM  

SFSailor: dittybopper: This is perhaps the scariest thing I have read in a long, long time:

In another recent incident that gave me chilling insight into the power of government surveillance, I met with a sensitive and well-placed source through an intermediary. After the meeting, which occurred a few years ago in Europe, I began to do research on the source. About an hour later, I got a call from the intermediary, who said, "Stop Googling his name."

Lrn 2 [ tor / VPN / Starbucks ], newb.

Or, ya know, all three at once. From a stolen laptop. And a cash card. Bartered from a dealer.

Sheesh.

/ also, sounds too good, or at least narrative confirming, to be true....


Intermediary could have been 100% guessing. You make that statement you get one of two responses. What he got, and an honest 'I'm not' followed up by a 'good - don't'.

And googling leaves a trail on the computer, which is evidence for any eventual leak investigation to find - separate and aside from any feared 'big brother' style watching.
 
2018-01-03 02:17:06 PM  

kindms: I don't and will never trust the NYT after that. They lost huge by sitting on that story. The whole mood of america BS after 9/11. Sorry you were just scared to do your job and only did it when your reporter forced you to do it.


There are _plenty_ of arguments to use against anyone who thinks the NYT is a liberal bastion.  And, yeah, they are not alone in the "NY-based person/org/platform that lost their arrogant, nothing-west-of-Connecticut-NYC-suburb​s-matters mind after 9/11."
 
2018-01-03 02:18:22 PM  
A lot of shiat pumped out at the NYT can be laid directly at the feet of Editor Bill "I-Can't-Believe-I'm-A-Hawk-Club" Keller, who also lavished praise on Paul Wolfowitz, describing him as the 'Sunshine Warrior'.

Judy Miller, the Saddam boogeyman slant, killing major stories (warrantless wiretapping, rendition, etc...)

No other individual is responsible more for the trashing of the NYT.  Perhaps, Punch Jr.
 
2018-01-03 02:24:02 PM  
The CIA spies on you...
...FROM THE ROOFTOPS
 
2018-01-03 02:30:37 PM  

Deneb81: Intermediary could have been 100% guessing. You make that statement you get one of two responses. What he got, and an honest 'I'm not' followed up by a 'good - don't'.


Heh.  I am too honest, and nowhere near clever enough.  I totally would have fallen for that.  The right answer, of course, would have been something like, "who?" or "of course not - how stupid do you think I am?" regardless of the reality.

Deneb81: And googling leaves a trail on the computer,


Hence, stolen laptop -- and, these days, super cheap smart phones make that even easier -- dropped in a river / lake / landfill / park trash can / shopping mall food court table.
 
2018-01-03 02:48:42 PM  

dittybopper: Excellent find, subby.


THIS!
 
2018-01-03 03:19:56 PM  

theflatline: SFSailor: theflatline: Since the dawn of communication communication bas been able to be intercepted.

Probably closer to truth, eh?

Or, erm, _everything_ is electrons, so never mind! My bad!

Ditty is a "third party" never Hilary kinda guy, who hates Obama, he was trying to get some bites to turn into "O was spying on us".  But he also a communications guy(a morse code translator) so do no believe his "faux outrage" that someone can have their web traffic monitored.

Especially since he is always posting how he mostly off the grid.


Look, I don't agree with Ditty often. Or really, ever. But this was a great read. And yeah, both sides have their flaws. What was covered in this article hits on most of the things I was critical of Obama for. It hits on a small fraction of the things I was critical of Bush for.
 
2018-01-03 04:53:58 PM  
That was great.

Now imagine what goes on with a 12-year old running the country.
 
2018-01-03 06:41:28 PM  
Did the BSAB crowd get the day off?

/holiday take YOU
 
2018-01-03 07:13:52 PM  

SFSailor: dittybopper: This is perhaps the scariest thing I have read in a long, long time:

In another recent incident that gave me chilling insight into the power of government surveillance, I met with a sensitive and well-placed source through an intermediary. After the meeting, which occurred a few years ago in Europe, I began to do research on the source. About an hour later, I got a call from the intermediary, who said, "Stop Googling his name."

Lrn 2 [ tor / VPN / Starbucks ], newb.

Or, ya know, all three at once. From a stolen laptop. And a cash card. Bartered from a dealer.

Sheesh.

/ also, sounds too good, or at least narrative confirming, to be true....


Or, much more likely, the idiot got spare installed on his computer. Or, even more likely, it was entirely social engineering and the intermediary had no idea whether the guy's name was being googled or not, but made a reasonable assumption to fark with the reporter.
 
2018-01-03 07:32:57 PM  

Lusiphur: SFSailor: dittybopper: This is perhaps the scariest thing I have read in a long, long time:

In another recent incident that gave me chilling insight into the power of government surveillance, I met with a sensitive and well-placed source through an intermediary. After the meeting, which occurred a few years ago in Europe, I began to do research on the source. About an hour later, I got a call from the intermediary, who said, "Stop Googling his name."

Lrn 2 [ tor / VPN / Starbucks ], newb.

Or, ya know, all three at once. From a stolen laptop. And a cash card. Bartered from a dealer.

Sheesh.

/ also, sounds too good, or at least narrative confirming, to be true....

Or, much more likely, the idiot got spare installed on his computer. Or, even more likely, it was entirely social engineering and the intermediary had no idea whether the guy's name was being googled or not, but made a reasonable assumption to fark with the reporter.


The NSA got to my post. "Spare" should be "spyware". Which is comically easy to install if you're ever remotely close to someone's computer for more than half an hour.
 
2018-01-03 07:54:53 PM  

Lusiphur: SFSailor: dittybopper: This is perhaps the scariest thing I have read in a long, long time:

In another recent incident that gave me chilling insight into the power of government surveillance, I met with a sensitive and well-placed source through an intermediary. After the meeting, which occurred a few years ago in Europe, I began to do research on the source. About an hour later, I got a call from the intermediary, who said, "Stop Googling his name."

Lrn 2 [ tor / VPN / Starbucks ], newb.

Or, ya know, all three at once. From a stolen laptop. And a cash card. Bartered from a dealer.

Sheesh.

/ also, sounds too good, or at least narrative confirming, to be true....

Or, much more likely, the idiot got spare installed on his computer. Or, even more likely, it was entirely social engineering and the intermediary had no idea whether the guy's name was being googled or not, but made a reasonable assumption to fark with the reporter.


That is what I was thinking.  I am pals with a former NSA guy and he is an amazing social engineer(as well as I, since I came up in computers in the early 1980s, and social engineering was very much a thing for us then) and it is easy to get a rise out of people with tricks like that.

And no one likes to admit they have fallen for a mind game.


THE SHADOW KNOWS
 
2018-01-03 08:51:23 PM  

djfitz: James Risen is a national hero. So of course he's treated like a criminal. Keep reading his stuff if you want to keep up with the real criminals running our country into the ground.


12 years. Impressive. 

This one is written like an opinion piece. 

It is part of Glen Greenwald's the intercept. 

You know, the Russian Asset Glen Greenwald who sponsored Snowden.

Faux outrage
 
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