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(Think Progress)   Twice as many coal miners died this year compared to last. Is Trump actively killing coal miners to provide the jobs he promised or does he just like the airline industry better than coal?   ( thinkprogress.org) divider line
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2018-01-02 11:38:52 PM  
He's trying to kill all his accomplices?
 
2018-01-02 11:41:17 PM  
He was evidently less strict about mine safety.
 
2018-01-02 11:44:28 PM  
Obama averaged about 20/year, Trump is at 15, not too far off.  Lots of factors involved, and neither Prez had a lot to do with it.  Just like Trump had zero to do with airline safety in 2017.
 
2018-01-02 11:46:42 PM  

Shostie: He was evidently less strict about mine safety.


Your new head of MSHA

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2018-01-02 11:51:09 PM  
Typical liberal agenda to make it looks like its all Trump fault. Fake news again.  Stop the liberal propaganda and move to North Korea if you love liberal propaganda.
 
2018-01-03 01:51:20 AM  

FlyingBacon: Typical liberal agenda to make it looks like its all Trump fault. Fake news again.  Stop the liberal propaganda and move to North Korea if you love liberal propaganda.


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Listen, here is some free advice.

If you want to keep this account active this cycle, you are going to need to up your job as one of Drew's BFF's ok.  I'd hate to see you be out work come next cycle.
 
2018-01-03 02:21:25 AM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: FlyingBacon: Typical liberal agenda to make it looks like its all Trump fault. Fake news again.  Stop the liberal propaganda and move to North Korea if you love liberal propaganda.

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Listen, here is some free advice.

If you want to keep this account active this cycle, you are going to need to up your job as one of Drew's BFF's ok.  I'd hate to see you be out work come next cycle.


Trolling arent ya.
 
2018-01-03 02:52:35 AM  

FlyingBacon: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: FlyingBacon: Typical liberal agenda to make it looks like its all Trump fault. Fake news again.  Stop the liberal propaganda and move to North Korea if you love liberal propaganda.

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Listen, here is some free advice.

If you want to keep this account active this cycle, you are going to need to up your job as one of Drew's BFF's ok.  I'd hate to see you be out work come next cycle.

Trolling arent ya.


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2018-01-03 03:23:42 AM  
We should bring back coal-powered planes.
 
2018-01-03 04:21:15 AM  

fusillade762: We should bring back coal-powered planes.


Yeah. Then thanks to Trump everyone will be safe!
 
2018-01-03 04:22:12 AM  

fusillade762: We should bring back coal-powered planes.


And coal aircraft carrier catapults.
 
2018-01-03 04:26:34 AM  
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Remember this? And that cutesy thing where he pretended to shovel coal? Yeah good times.
 
2018-01-03 04:30:03 AM  
He said he would make more jobs...never said the would come available due to high "turnover" and "attrition" rates.
 
2018-01-03 04:33:34 AM  
FTFA:  "Few people seem to realize the lack of choices miners face. They do not realize that many miners would jump at the chance to earn a decent living without risking their life and sacrificing their health."

I call bullshiat.  They were offered infrastructure investment and retraining programs by Clinton and the Democrats and responded with spittle and rage.  I'm out of empathy for their self-destruction.
 
2018-01-03 04:42:15 AM  

FlyingBacon: Typical liberal agenda to make it looks like its all Trump fault. Fake news again.  Stop the liberal propaganda and move to North Korea if you love liberal propaganda.


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2018-01-03 04:43:58 AM  

fusillade762: We should bring back coal-powered planes.


Like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lippisc​h​_P.13a

(them Nazis sure were clever when they were desperate)
 
2018-01-03 04:46:23 AM  
That airline tweet sounded like he was telling us he makes the trains run on time. Ironic that a train derailed around the same time he tweeted it.
 
2018-01-03 04:47:52 AM  
The mine owners are going to do a little cocktail napkin math. If a new piece of safety equipment costs $20K, and the fine for not buying it is $100K. they might just chance getting caught without it. Especially, if the budget for inspections is cut.
While no one is going to actively kill the miners, they'll just do so through neglect to save money.
 
2018-01-03 04:51:21 AM  
Na, he's just trying to appeal to the feminists

1) Make coal mining more dangerous
2) Men will not want to be coal miners
3) Mining companies will have to hire women, thus balancing out what is a male dominated field (you know, like STEM fields)
4) THEN take credit for establishing that more women are coal miners
 
2018-01-03 05:02:01 AM  
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2018-01-03 05:19:31 AM  
What hasn't been reported is that 90% of those deaths were from Leopard bites.
 
2018-01-03 05:39:46 AM  
Coal mine worker deaths are just an acceptable feature of the new normal.

/am I doing this right?
 
2018-01-03 05:42:45 AM  
But, and this is the important thing, they didn't die flying on commercial flights.
And Trump would like you to know that this is because of him.
 
2018-01-03 06:14:56 AM  
Nothing the free market and  a few flippant Ts&Ps can't handle.
 
2018-01-03 06:21:10 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Shostie: He was evidently less strict about mine safety.

Your new head of MSHA

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Mr Burns?
 
2018-01-03 06:31:58 AM  

Odin's Other Eye: fusillade762: We should bring back coal-powered planes.

Like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lippisch​_P.13a

(them Nazis sure were clever when they were desperate)


Still are, sadly.
 
2018-01-03 06:46:07 AM  
I know some dingbats who come from coal mining families. As a result, I saw this on Facebook more than a few times in the run-up to the last election:

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Trump was gonna bring back the coal jobs and once again, everyone would know the simple joy of having Daddy come home at the end of the day, filthy and suffering from black lung Freedom Cough.

Except, in an M. Night Shyamalamadingdongesque twist, it turns out that lots of Daddies ain't coming home. Oops.

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2018-01-03 07:05:35 AM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: FlyingBacon: Typical liberal agenda to make it looks like its all Trump fault. Fake news again.  Stop the liberal propaganda and move to North Korea if you love liberal propaganda.

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Listen, here is some free advice.

If you want to keep this account active this cycle, you are going to need to up your job as one of Drew's BFF's ok.  I'd hate to see you be out work come next cycle.


Now, now, that was actually a thing of beauty. You rarely these days get to see such outright shameless and uninhibited derp nowadays, not without a lot of whatabouts padding it.

A fine, full-bodied, undiluted dose of derp. Mind, the flavor of such (like the day-old contents of Robert Earl Keen's CocaCola cup) is not for everyone, but for some of us provides efficient fuel for pointing and laughing.
 
2018-01-03 07:08:10 AM  

Arumat: FTFA:  "Few people seem to realize the lack of choices miners face. They do not realize that many miners would jump at the chance to earn a decent living without risking their life and sacrificing their health."

I call bullshiat.  They were offered infrastructure investment and retraining programs by Clinton and the Democrats and responded with spittle and rage.  I'm out of empathy for their self-destruction.


Hell, it's been more recent than that.  Just a few weeks ago there was an article about free training right now and they didn't want to bother with it because "I'm a miner".
 
2018-01-03 07:33:22 AM  
Man, that's a lot of miners to die in just a couple of days. Hopefully the rest of the year will be better for them.
 
2018-01-03 07:39:01 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I know some dingbats who come from coal mining families. As a result, I saw this on Facebook more than a few times in the run-up to the last election:

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Trump was gonna bring back the coal jobs and once again, everyone would know the simple joy of having Daddy come home at the end of the day, filthy and suffering from black lung Freedom Cough.

Except, in an M. Night Shyamalamadingdongesque twist, it turns out that lots of Daddies ain't coming home. Oops.

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As a neuro developmentalist all I see if that picture is children being exposed to toxins. Dad should really clean that crap off before exposing his kids to it.
 
2018-01-03 08:07:24 AM  
Remember, the coal industry employs about as many people as the bowling industry or the skiing industry.
 
2018-01-03 08:38:35 AM  
Look, it's all about priorities, people. He stopped the job-killing. He does't have time for that and stopping people-killing.
 
2018-01-03 08:39:44 AM  

Arumat: FTFA:  "Few people seem to realize the lack of choices miners face. They do not realize that many miners would jump at the chance to earn a decent living without risking their life and sacrificing their health."

I call bullshiat.  They were offered infrastructure investment and retraining programs by Clinton and the Democrats and responded with spittle and rage.  I'm out of empathy for their self-destruction.


As a resident of KY, I'll support your claim of bullshiat.  They don't want to do anything but stay holed up in their hills, push their toxic religion on everyone, struggle in their little political fiefdoms, and terrify their children that going to a city with more than 100K people in it will result in instant death and the prostitution of their corpse with a drug addled brown person.
 
2018-01-03 08:57:24 AM  

Dafatone: Remember, the coal industry employs about as many people as the bowling industry or the skiing industry.


So .... strikeout on the black diamond? I skied 300!!
 
2018-01-03 10:41:26 AM  
Do people travel in coal mines, subby?  No. Coal miners knew what they were signing up for. It's still sad, I guess, but 'MURICA, fark YEA!!!

Trump - 1, Libtards - 0

QED.
 
2018-01-03 10:43:54 AM  

Dafatone: Remember, the coal industry employs about as many people as the bowling industry or the skiing industry.


Oh great, now you libs are going to start a war on bowling and skiing. What's next? War on Apple Pie and puppies?
 
2018-01-03 10:58:09 AM  
You sure you mean this year, subby? That's a lot of deaths in just 3 days.
 
2018-01-03 11:15:40 AM  

FlyingBacon: Typical liberal agenda to make it looks like its all Trump fault. Fake news again.  Stop the liberal propaganda and move to North Korea if you love liberal propaganda.


If I ever get arrested and have to go to court I'm totally using the 'liberal media' defense. It's a 'catch all' for protecting and justifying my failures.  And I'll tell that fancy judge to move to NK.
 
2018-01-03 11:27:32 AM  

Arumat: FTFA:  "Few people seem to realize the lack of choices miners face. They do not realize that many miners would jump at the chance to earn a decent living without risking their life and sacrificing their health."

I call bullshiat.  They were offered infrastructure investment and retraining programs by Clinton and the Democrats and responded with spittle and rage.  I'm out of empathy for their self-destruction.


Glad I read ahead, you saved me the time. The Obama administration also offers free vocational training to out of work miners in PA. Read Here

FTA: "Despite broad consensus about coal's bleak future, a multiyear effort to diversify the economy of this hard-hit region away from mining is stumbling, with Obama-era jobs retraining classes undersubscribed and future programs at risk under President Donald Trump's proposed 2018 budget. "

So, what I'm taking from these two articles is "Dangerous work with no future? Yes please!" Free training for programs that can cost thousands of dollars per person and some aren't taking it.
 
2018-01-03 11:27:37 AM  

wademh: But, and this is the important thing, they didn't die flying on commercial flights.
And Trump would like you to know that this is because of him.


Yes. Make sure everyone is clear on this.

Commercial jet safety: Trump's doing.
Coal miner deaths: not Trump's doing.
Wall Street up: Trump's doing.
Employment down: not Trump's doing.

Got that?
 
2018-01-03 11:29:03 AM  
Oh well. This is what they wanted. They voted for it.

I no longer feel sorry for people killed on the job (any job) who vote Republican.

You're essentially voting to die at work. So ... (shrug) you're getting what you asked for. So STFU and GBTW. Maybe your widow and kids won't starve after the govt. cuts off their AFDC to give rich people more money.
 
2018-01-03 11:50:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Employment down: not Trump's doing.


Employment down? Forgetting about the responsibility angle - where are you getting that?
 
2018-01-03 12:04:23 PM  
I hope that they get rid of more regulations so this trend continues.  Nothing like giving Trump supporters what they have wanted.
 
2018-01-03 12:21:05 PM  

HeadLever: Gyrfalcon: Employment down: not Trump's doing.

Employment down? Forgetting about the responsibility angle - where are you getting that?


Nowhere, I just made it up to go with Wall Street. But if it WAS: not Trump's doing.
 
2018-01-03 12:24:45 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Nowhere, I just made it up to go with Wall Street. But if it WAS: not Trump's doing.


Oh, OK.  You are just making stuff up for political points.  Carry on.
 
2018-01-03 12:47:33 PM  

Arumat: FTFA:  "Few people seem to realize the lack of choices miners face. They do not realize that many miners would jump at the chance to earn a decent living without risking their life and sacrificing their health."

I call bullshiat.  They were offered infrastructure investment and retraining programs by Clinton and the Democrats and responded with spittle and rage.  I'm out of empathy for their self-destruction.


According to Graham, graduates are not finding jobs because companies have shifted to overseas manufacturing.
"This is terrible. I live in North Carolina where so much of our manufacturing base has gone to other countries," he insisted. "And people are out of jobs, are out of work. And they say, 'But we'll retrain you, we'll let you be a computer programmer.'"
"They don't want to be a computer programmer!" Graham continued. "They want to do the same job as their fathers and their grandfathers. There was pride in the manufacturing and the building. And we've taken all that away and it's sad."

/I can relate; my father and my grandfather sold breakdancing outfits and giant boom boxes.
 
2018-01-03 01:09:35 PM  

HighOnCraic: Arumat: FTFA:  "Few people seem to realize the lack of choices miners face. They do not realize that many miners would jump at the chance to earn a decent living without risking their life and sacrificing their health."

I call bullshiat.  They were offered infrastructure investment and retraining programs by Clinton and the Democrats and responded with spittle and rage.  I'm out of empathy for their self-destruction.

According to Graham, graduates are not finding jobs because companies have shifted to overseas manufacturing.
"This is terrible. I live in North Carolina where so much of our manufacturing base has gone to other countries," he insisted. "And people are out of jobs, are out of work. And they say, 'But we'll retrain you, we'll let you be a computer programmer.'"
"They don't want to be a computer programmer!" Graham continued. "They want to do the same job as their fathers and their grandfathers. There was pride in the manufacturing and the building. And we've taken all that away and it's sad."

/I can relate; my father and my grandfather sold breakdancing outfits and giant boom boxes.


Part of the problem is indeed the "I don't want to be a computer programmer" sentiment - although I can certainly commiserate with the desire to have a physical product that results from one's labor.  But another part of the problem is that the replacement jobs aren't really any more secure.  Lots of programming and coding work ends up getting outsourced as soon as companies with cheaper labor are able to enter that marketspace.  After all, why pay a coder in North Carolina $12 / hr to write code when you can hire a team of four coders in India for $3 / hr ?

Outsourcing goes to where the costs are cheaper.  A company outsources work to a country with cheap labor and loose regulations.  That stimulates the economy in that country, which in turn drives up the cost of labor there, and often brings those pesky profit-killing regulations, so the company relocates the outsourced work to another country with cheaper labor and fewer regulations.  Lather, rinse, repeat.

The endgame is that when safety regulations and costs of living / wages approach global parity, the big place for savings is product delivery - when it costs the same to make widgets in Utah as it does in Timbuckthree, the manufacturing gets located to minimize the costs of transporting those widgets.  And this will  be good for people who could work in widget manufacturing in Utah, but ironically is less good for people trained as programmers, because code is just data and data is transmitted instantaneously, globally, at minimal cost.  The biggest drawback to foreign programmers tends to come from lack of cultural familiarity - while they might understand the language itself, they are unfamiliar with colloquialism, slang, popular culture, and societal norms.  And that's something that will vanish as the world becomes more interconnected (a process that will only accelerate as we get nearer to global economic parity)

So there's a chance the widget manufacturing jobs might actually come back, but it's going to take minimum of several decades (though that entire paradigm is subject to change with future revolutions in 3d printing) but there's actually less of a chance the programming work will come back.
 
2018-01-03 03:01:55 PM  

theknuckler_33: Do people travel in coal mines, subby?


Yes
Riding a train inside a old mine
Youtube lZ6XVSjWpMk
 
2018-01-03 08:22:55 PM  

HeadLever: Gyrfalcon: Nowhere, I just made it up to go with Wall Street. But if it WAS: not Trump's doing.

Oh, OK.  You are just making stuff up for political points.  Carry on.


No, rhetorical points. This isn't Hannity.
 
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