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(Engadget)   As we step through the Black Mirror, your kids' mobile apps are listening to what is being played in the background such as movies and TV shows to fine-tune advertising. But not voice. Promise   ( engadget.com) divider line
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2018-01-02 04:47:28 PM  
Are companies obligated to report crimes their products detect?
 
2018-01-02 05:17:38 PM  
Riiiiiiiight...

So I'm up at my parents' house for Christmas. Evidently my niece is big in to writing, so my sister bought her one of those online Masterclass things. This one taught by James Patterson. We're all kind of hanging around the kitchen table with our phones nearby talking about his stuff.

About 20 minutes later, I check my Facebook in Safari on my phone and there are f*cking ads for Masterclass all over the goddamn place. Apparently I had it set to where Safari could access my microphone. Changed that sh*t. Not sure if that will actually help or what.

But yeah, they're listening to every damn thing.
 
2018-01-02 05:27:18 PM  
'Murica.
 
2018-01-02 06:07:01 PM  
Users also have to agree to open up their microphones and location services to the apps before Alphonso's software does any data collection. "The consumer is opting in knowingly and can opt out any time," Ashish Chordia, Alphonso's CEO,

Don't most of these apps just give you a list of things you need to give permission for and you click "Yes"? Not, "Sure, you can look at my contacts and see my location, but don't look through my photos or use my microphone." It's all or nothing.
 
2018-01-02 06:13:08 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Are companies obligated to report crimes their products detect?


Not yet, although I think there was recently a case involving possible recordings from an Amazon Echo (or similar device).
 
2018-01-02 06:20:35 PM  
I just opened up my settings and I see that for some reason Apple now wants to know my TV provider. I assume this is to even better target this kind of thing. F*ck that.
 
2018-01-02 06:22:32 PM  

jaylectricity: Users also have to agree to open up their microphones and location services to the apps before Alphonso's software does any data collection. "The consumer is opting in knowingly and can opt out any time," Ashish Chordia, Alphonso's CEO,

Don't most of these apps just give you a list of things you need to give permission for and you click "Yes"? Not, "Sure, you can look at my contacts and see my location, but don't look through my photos or use my microphone." It's all or nothing.


Which is why you check the permissions before you even download it. Not that Google won't override your settings for their own farking apps from time to time. Seriously, when I turn off mobile data, LEAVE THE farkING MOBILE DATA OFF.
 
2018-01-02 06:27:22 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Are companies obligated to report crimes their products detect?


No. Where is the profit in that?
 
2018-01-02 06:32:13 PM  
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2018-01-02 06:38:44 PM  
Big brother is here and we are willingly carrying him in our pockets.  So why aren't people demanding the manufacturers disallow this sort of behavior with their Hardware?

How hard is it to put a physical lens on your camera and an off switch on your microphone?
 
2018-01-02 06:43:00 PM  

AquaTatanka: Big brother is here and we are willingly carrying him in our pockets.  So why aren't people demanding the manufacturers disallow this sort of behavior with their Hardware?

How hard is it to put a physical lens on your camera and an off switch on your microphone?


Harder than biatching about it.
 
2018-01-02 06:44:41 PM  

Trocadero: jaylectricity: Users also have to agree to open up their microphones and location services to the apps before Alphonso's software does any data collection. "The consumer is opting in knowingly and can opt out any time," Ashish Chordia, Alphonso's CEO,

Don't most of these apps just give you a list of things you need to give permission for and you click "Yes"? Not, "Sure, you can look at my contacts and see my location, but don't look through my photos or use my microphone." It's all or nothing.

Which is why you check the permissions before you even download it. Not that Google won't override your settings for their own farking apps from time to time. Seriously, when I turn off mobile data, LEAVE THE farkING MOBILE DATA OFF.

Okay, this right here bothers me. Why can we even grant permission to access our contacts? Our location, our profiles, even our searches, etc. are our data, but our contacts database has personal information belonging to other people. I never grant that permission except to messenging apps and the like, simply because I don't feel that I have the right to grant access to someone else's information without their knowledge or consent.
 
2018-01-02 06:46:11 PM  

jaylectricity: Users also have to agree to open up their microphones and location services to the apps before Alphonso's software does any data collection. "The consumer is opting in knowingly and can opt out any time," Ashish Chordia, Alphonso's CEO,

Don't most of these apps just give you a list of things you need to give permission for and you click "Yes"? Not, "Sure, you can look at my contacts and see my location, but don't look through my photos or use my microphone." It's all or nothing.


I'm not sure about Apple devices, but newer versions of Android allow the user to piecemeal app permissions, allowing or denying individual access rights. If I wanted to allow camera but deny location, I can do so.
 
2018-01-02 06:46:43 PM  

COMALite J: Trocadero: jaylectricity: Users also have to agree to open up their microphones and location services to the apps before Alphonso's software does any data collection. "The consumer is opting in knowingly and can opt out any time," Ashish Chordia, Alphonso's CEO,

Don't most of these apps just give you a list of things you need to give permission for and you click "Yes"? Not, "Sure, you can look at my contacts and see my location, but don't look through my photos or use my microphone." It's all or nothing.

Which is why you check the permissions before you even download it. Not that Google won't override your settings for their own farking apps from time to time. Seriously, when I turn off mobile data, LEAVE THE farkING MOBILE DATA OFF.
Okay, this right here bothers me. Why can we even grant permission to access our contacts? Our location, our profiles, even our searches, etc. are our data, but our contacts database has personal information belonging to other people. I never grant that permission except to messenging apps and the like, simply because I don't feel that I have the right to grant access to someone else's information without their knowledge or consent.


And why doesn't every goddam thing require that? Solitaire? Let me have contact permissions for a single player game
 
2018-01-02 06:47:00 PM  

naughtyrev: COMALite J: Trocadero: jaylectricity: Users also have to agree to open up their microphones and location services to the apps before Alphonso's software does any data collection. "The consumer is opting in knowingly and can opt out any time," Ashish Chordia, Alphonso's CEO,

Don't most of these apps just give you a list of things you need to give permission for and you click "Yes"? Not, "Sure, you can look at my contacts and see my location, but don't look through my photos or use my microphone." It's all or nothing.

Which is why you check the permissions before you even download it. Not that Google won't override your settings for their own farking apps from time to time. Seriously, when I turn off mobile data, LEAVE THE farkING MOBILE DATA OFF.
Okay, this right here bothers me. Why can we even grant permission to access our contacts? Our location, our profiles, even our searches, etc. are our data, but our contacts database has personal information belonging to other people. I never grant that permission except to messenging apps and the like, simply because I don't feel that I have the right to grant access to someone else's information without their knowledge or consent.

And why doesn't every goddam thing require that? Solitaire? Let me have contact permissions for a single player game


Does, not doesn't.
 
2018-01-02 06:51:22 PM  
Siri, Amazon's Alexa, Microsoft's Cortana, Google Assistant, Samsung Bixby..... the primary purpose of these tools is not serve you, but to serve that Company by feeding your marketing data back to those respective organizations.

I have the Note 8, and its literally difficult NOT to accidentally initiate Bixby... And they want it like that.  Biggest scam ever, having the customer do the dirty work for them, at their own inconvenience.
 
2018-01-02 07:26:24 PM  

AquaTatanka: Big brother is here and we are willingly carrying him in our pockets.  So why aren't people demanding the manufacturers disallow this sort of behavior with their Hardware?

How hard is it to put a physical lens on your camera and an off switch on your microphone?


Harder and more expensive than NOT putting a lens cap on the camera and an off switch for the microphone.
 
2018-01-02 07:32:59 PM  

Shostie: Riiiiiiiight...

So I'm up at my parents' house for Christmas. Evidently my niece is big in to writing, so my sister bought her one of those online Masterclass things. This one taught by James Patterson. We're all kind of hanging around the kitchen table with our phones nearby talking about his stuff.

About 20 minutes later, I check my Facebook in Safari on my phone and there are f*cking ads for Masterclass all over the goddamn place. Apparently I had it set to where Safari could access my microphone. Changed that sh*t. Not sure if that will actually help or what.

But yeah, they're listening to every damn thing.


Well, they probably are... BUT the also have plausible deniaiability because one or more of your applications is tracking your contacts.
 
2018-01-02 07:35:31 PM  

naughtyrev: COMALite J: Trocadero: jaylectricity: Users also have to agree to open up their microphones and location services to the apps before Alphonso's software does any data collection. "The consumer is opting in knowingly and can opt out any time," Ashish Chordia, Alphonso's CEO,

Don't most of these apps just give you a list of things you need to give permission for and you click "Yes"? Not, "Sure, you can look at my contacts and see my location, but don't look through my photos or use my microphone." It's all or nothing.

Which is why you check the permissions before you even download it. Not that Google won't override your settings for their own farking apps from time to time. Seriously, when I turn off mobile data, LEAVE THE farkING MOBILE DATA OFF.
Okay, this right here bothers me. Why can we even grant permission to access our contacts? Our location, our profiles, even our searches, etc. are our data, but our contacts database has personal information belonging to other people. I never grant that permission except to messenging apps and the like, simply because I don't feel that I have the right to grant access to someone else's information without their knowledge or consent.

And why doesn't every goddam thing require that? Solitaire? Let me have contact permissions for a single player game


They'll claim it's for call/messaging throughput.
 
2018-01-02 07:36:21 PM  

T.rex: Siri, Amazon's Alexa, Microsoft's Cortana, Google Assistant, Samsung Bixby..... the primary purpose of these tools is not serve you, but to serve that Company by feeding your marketing data back to those respective organizations.

I have the Note 8, and its literally difficult NOT to accidentally initiate Bixby... And they want it like that.  Biggest scam ever, having the customer do the dirty work for them, at their own inconvenience.


They all pinky swear they are only listening for their activation word too. Okay kids, riddle me this, how can they be listening for the activation word without hearing all the other words? Wake the Sheeple, we need a clense.
 
2018-01-02 07:55:55 PM  

jaylectricity: Users also have to agree to open up their microphones and location services to the apps before Alphonso's software does any data collection. "The consumer is opting in knowingly and can opt out any time," Ashish Chordia, Alphonso's CEO,

Don't most of these apps just give you a list of things you need to give permission for and you click "Yes"? Not, "Sure, you can look at my contacts and see my location, but don't look through my photos or use my microphone." It's all or nothing.


And it's "allow our flashlight app to have access to your contact list and location or fark you you don't use the app, or any other flashlight app."
 
2018-01-02 08:44:56 PM  

sno man: T.rex: Siri, Amazon's Alexa, Microsoft's Cortana, Google Assistant, Samsung Bixby..... the primary purpose of these tools is not serve you, but to serve that Company by feeding your marketing data back to those respective organizations.

I have the Note 8, and its literally difficult NOT to accidentally initiate Bixby... And they want it like that.  Biggest scam ever, having the customer do the dirty work for them, at their own inconvenience.

They all pinky swear they are only listening for their activation word too. Okay kids, riddle me this, how can they be listening for the activation word without hearing all the other words? Wake the Sheeple, we need a clense.


I want to imagine they're like dogs, where everything sounds like the parents from Peanuts until they hear "good boy" or "treat."
 
2018-01-02 09:53:15 PM  
Your phone is not your friend.
 
2018-01-03 02:56:53 AM  

Fano: And it's "allow our flashlight app to have access to your contact list and location or fark you you don't use the app, or any other flashlight app."


I've noticed that the free and incredibly limited adobe acrobat reader app wants access to the microphone and camera. I really can't understand why. So I don't update it.
But yeah, apps want a lot of stuff for no good reason.
 
2018-01-03 06:37:43 AM  
Found this out in the creepiest way. I was watching a Dragonball Z DVD on my PlayStation. And when I picked up my phone and started browsing it suddenly was pushing Crunchyroll ads specifically advertising Dragonball Super.

Chalked it up to coincidence that time. But later I started playing FFXV and sure enough suddenly my apps are pushing that awful FFXV mobile game. I hadn't yet made any searches on my phone for anything FFXV related yet, as I had just started the game, but my phone knew to advertise FFXV related stuff anyway.

Since I hadn't done anything involving FFXV on my phone, had only just started playing the game, and this was like six months after the game came out, it seems reasonable to me to assume the possibility that my phone has been listening in.
 
2018-01-03 02:46:59 PM  
I'm starting to think voice is being used. Cause the other day Fiance and I are talking about rings, face to face. We didn't text each other, search for anything, or post anything about it on line. Was a personal conversation in our bedroom. Then following day Facebook is giving us both adverts for promise rings...

WTF
 
2018-01-03 08:23:26 PM  
Do what normal people do. Turn on some loud, scream-y porn, and set your phone next to the speakers.

The neighbors might complain, but they'll get used to it, or ask to join.
 
2018-01-04 06:19:49 AM  

T.rex: Siri, Amazon's Alexa, Microsoft's Cortana, Google Assistant, Samsung Bixby..... the primary purpose of these tools is not serve you, but to serve that Company by feeding your marketing data back to those respective organizations.

I have the Note 8, and its literally difficult NOT to accidentally initiate Bixby... And they want it like that.  Biggest scam ever, having the customer do the dirty work for them, at their own inconvenience.


Why do you think the devices are so relatively cheap?!
 
2018-01-04 06:26:10 AM  

Esroc: Found this out in the creepiest way. I was watching a Dragonball Z DVD on my PlayStation. And when I picked up my phone and started browsing it suddenly was pushing Crunchyroll ads specifically advertising Dragonball Super.

Chalked it up to coincidence that time. But later I started playing FFXV and sure enough suddenly my apps are pushing that awful FFXV mobile game. I hadn't yet made any searches on my phone for anything FFXV related yet, as I had just started the game, but my phone knew to advertise FFXV related stuff anyway.

Since I hadn't done anything involving FFXV on my phone, had only just started playing the game, and this was like six months after the game came out, it seems reasonable to me to assume the possibility that my phone has been listening in.


What kind of phone if I may ask?
 
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