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(Guardian)   Thor was great, but the other geek movies are underwhelming. I'm looking at you Justice League and Kylo Ren. But...BUT Ready Player One may be the geek movie we need   ( theguardian.com) divider line
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2018-01-02 10:41:13 AM  
While I'm sure Spielberg will deliver a beautiful nostalgia vehicle, I felt the book was utterly underwhelming and the characters completely shallow.
 
2018-01-02 11:16:50 AM  
I have no desire to see a movie based on a book I have no desire reading.

"But, HawgWild!" you exclaim. "Why are you posting in this thread?"

Because I paid $5 for the privilege of foisting my opinions upon you.
 
2018-01-02 11:19:40 AM  
One of the few cases where the movie will be better than the book, and that's not saying much for either.
 
2018-01-02 11:35:36 AM  
Ready Mary Sue
 
2018-01-02 11:35:54 AM  

enry: One of the few cases where the movie will be better than the book, and that's not saying much for either.


Well Spielberg directed Jaws and that book sucked. Jurassic Park was a better movie too.
 
2018-01-02 11:52:35 AM  

naughtyrev: While I'm sure Spielberg will deliver a beautiful nostalgia vehicle, I felt the book was utterly underwhelming and the characters completely shallow.


Have you ever interacted with hard-core gamers? Good grief, it was like being at a MUD reunion :)

/thought the book was clever
//really would like to see it NOT farked up
///don't have a lot of faith in it going well, though
 
2018-01-02 11:55:00 AM  
The wife got me the book of this for Christmas. Haven't had time to read it yet as I'm working through a backlog of novels, but I'm intrigued and also looking forward to the movie.
 
2018-01-02 11:55:15 AM  
I won't see anything with rapist TJ Miller.
 
2018-01-02 11:55:17 AM  

naughtyrev: While I'm sure Spielberg will deliver a beautiful nostalgia vehicle, I felt the book was utterly underwhelming and the characters completely shallow.


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Ready Player One was 400 pages of this.
 
2018-01-02 11:56:03 AM  
It's the year 2045 and people are still wearing Chuck Taylors? Now you've lost me.
 
2018-01-02 11:57:04 AM  

kronicfeld: Ready Mary Sue


Never read the book, but from the trailer, it looks like a sci-fi retelling of the King Arthur legend. Which is right up Spielberg's alley. Ever since ET, he loves to give all his movies a fairy tale ending regardless of how absurd (see War of the Worlds for peak fairy tale). The only exception to that rule were his historical works, Saving Private Ryan and Lincoln, making them the most watchable Spielberg flicks in his post-ET years. Anyway, being that the entire plot line is based on fairy tale, he'll be fully in his element so this should be a fun film to watch on Netflix. But, there's no way in hell that I'd pay to see it in theaters unless it becomes some sort of pop-culture phenom.
 
2018-01-02 12:00:01 PM  
If you want a good analysis of why this book is so awful, look up "372 Pages We'll Never Get Back". It's some of the MST3K guys absolutely slashing into it (and praising it once in a great while). I knew the book didn't satisfy me and they did a great job explaining why.
 
2018-01-02 12:02:29 PM  
I haven't seen this movie yet (and actually don't know all that much about it), but I've already decided it sucks.

When I do go to see it, I'll ignore all the good parts, and instead focus on the parts that confirm my bias.

I'll then spend an inordinate amount of time on Fark, mocking anyone who holds a different opinion that I do.
 
2018-01-02 12:02:58 PM  
I don't need a book or a movie that's just constantly hitting you over the head with "hey remember that other thing you like? huh? huh? check it out"
 
2018-01-02 12:03:49 PM  

SkylineRecords: It's the year 2045 and people are still wearing Chuck Taylors? Now you've lost me.


They debuted in 1920 and in their present form in 1924. Is it so surprising they'd persist for another 27 years when they're already 98 years old?
 
2018-01-02 12:04:02 PM  

rcain: kronicfeld: Ready Mary Sue

Never read the book, but from the trailer, it looks like a sci-fi retelling of the King Arthur legend. Which is right up Spielberg's alley. Ever since ET, he loves to give all his movies a fairy tale ending regardless of how absurd (see War of the Worlds for peak fairy tale). The only exception to that rule were his historical works, Saving Private Ryan and Lincoln, making them the most watchable Spielberg flicks in his post-ET years. Anyway, being that the entire plot line is based on fairy tale, he'll be fully in his element so this should be a fun film to watch on Netflix. But, there's no way in hell that I'd pay to see it in theaters unless it becomes some sort of pop-culture phenom.


The book is the worst possible example of competency porn imaginable. There is a major plot point around playing a perfect game of pacman, and another about memorizing the dialog to war games. It's a stupifying read that makes the day Vinci code look like high literature.
 
2018-01-02 12:05:47 PM  

SkylineRecords: It's the year 2045 and people are still wearing Chuck Taylors? Now you've lost me.


The original Chuck Taylor All-Stars design was introduced in 1917. It's 2017 and people are still wearing Chuck Taylor All-Stars. How is that a stretch?

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2018-01-02 12:05:58 PM  
The previews seem to be trying their best to get me excited for it (which is their job, I guess), but they really haven't done a great job.
 
2018-01-02 12:06:32 PM  
I read the book and while it was an interesting alt dystopia thing, it was too rooted into nostalgia wanking to be actually good.
It was "deep" enough into it that anyone that was actually into those things would consider the protagonist a mary sue, he just so happened to know everything by heart and be great at everything, down to having memorized whole movie scripts.

The whole bit with the nerd girl that was truer than any other girl that he idolizes was creepy as all heck too.
 
2018-01-02 12:06:33 PM  

Courtney Cox-Zucker: It's 2017 and people are still wearing Chuck Taylor All-Stars.


It's 2018, and I'm still writing 2017 on all of my checks posts.
 
2018-01-02 12:06:44 PM  
I did not read the book, or even know there was one until now. All I know is what I saw in the trailer.  And it looks terribly underwhelming.
About the only thing that appears like it might be interesting is the comparison I see to the Snowcrash version of the internet.

This brings to mind why I do not like movie trailers at all.  Too much of the story is told before you even buy a ticket.  If I had walked into that movie cold - knowing nothing about it, there is a chance that I would be entertained.
But knowing exactly what the story is, and seeing all the things that should be a mystery to the viewer...  Makes me think it's not worth it.
 
2018-01-02 12:09:15 PM  

standardeviation: rcain: kronicfeld: Ready Mary Sue

Never read the book, but from the trailer, it looks like a sci-fi retelling of the King Arthur legend. Which is right up Spielberg's alley. Ever since ET, he loves to give all his movies a fairy tale ending regardless of how absurd (see War of the Worlds for peak fairy tale). The only exception to that rule were his historical works, Saving Private Ryan and Lincoln, making them the most watchable Spielberg flicks in his post-ET years. Anyway, being that the entire plot line is based on fairy tale, he'll be fully in his element so this should be a fun film to watch on Netflix. But, there's no way in hell that I'd pay to see it in theaters unless it becomes some sort of pop-culture phenom.

The book is the worst possible example of competency porn imaginable. There is a major plot point around playing a perfect game of pacman, and another about memorizing the dialog to war games. It's a stupifying read that makes the day Vinci code look like high literature.


The whole contest was really about learning, wit, focus, dedication, and hopefully learning how NOT to be a dick. He wanted someone to take over who would take care of the 'verse. And, yeah, a lot of video games were used (Joust, the one in the haunted house, Pac Man), but it was also interesting that so many people were Gunters, and dedicated to the games he played. Moreso, the ones who cleared the gates initially were people who used their brains. The Sixers watched and imitated. They struck me as the cheat-code magazine readers.

I was just bummed they used War Games and not Princess Bride.
 
2018-01-02 12:10:00 PM  

durbnpoisn: I did not read the book, or even know there was one until now. All I know is what I saw in the trailer.  And it looks terribly underwhelming.
About the only thing that appears like it might be interesting is the comparison I see to the Snowcrash version of the internet.

This brings to mind why I do not like movie trailers at all.  Too much of the story is told before you even buy a ticket.  If I had walked into that movie cold - knowing nothing about it, there is a chance that I would be entertained.
But knowing exactly what the story is, and seeing all the things that should be a mystery to the viewer...  Makes me think it's not worth it.


Snow Crash would be a great mini series. I LOVE that book.
 
2018-01-02 12:10:58 PM  

standardeviation: rcain: kronicfeld: Ready Mary Sue

Never read the book, but from the trailer, it looks like a sci-fi retelling of the King Arthur legend. Which is right up Spielberg's alley. Ever since ET, he loves to give all his movies a fairy tale ending regardless of how absurd (see War of the Worlds for peak fairy tale). The only exception to that rule were his historical works, Saving Private Ryan and Lincoln, making them the most watchable Spielberg flicks in his post-ET years. Anyway, being that the entire plot line is based on fairy tale, he'll be fully in his element so this should be a fun film to watch on Netflix. But, there's no way in hell that I'd pay to see it in theaters unless it becomes some sort of pop-culture phenom.

The book is the worst possible example of competency porn imaginable. There is a major plot point around playing a perfect game of pacman, and another about memorizing the dialog to war games. It's a stupifying read that makes the day Vinci code look like high literature.


And?  The point of the book wasn't to have some sort of intricate plot and deep, meaningful characters.  It was to take all the nostalgia we geeks who grew up in the 1980s have and bottle it.  For anyone who wasn't a teenager during that time the book will be underwhelming but many of us grew up in a pre-internet time when memorizing film footage was hard and guides to perfect Pac-Man were in obscure print magazines.   RPO was a ton of fun to read for those of us who guzzled cheap soda playing D&D late at night.

/Armada sucked.  Really badly.
 
2018-01-02 12:11:05 PM  

Averam: The wife got me the book of this for Christmas. Haven't had time to read it yet as I'm working through a backlog of novels, but I'm intrigued and also looking forward to the movie.


If you have any long and depressing books in that backlog, I recommend reading that then following it up with Ready Player One. I had just slogged my way through The Executioner's Song, desperately needed something quick and light and it was perfect.
 
2018-01-02 12:11:14 PM  
If this gets us closer to a Snow Crash movie, it'll all be worth it.
 
2018-01-02 12:14:47 PM  

IcedTorch: I read the book and while it was an interesting alt dystopia thing, it was too rooted into nostalgia wanking to be actually good.
It was "deep" enough into it that anyone that was actually into those things would consider the protagonist a mary sue, he just so happened to know everything by heart and be great at everything, down to having memorized whole movie scripts.

The whole bit with the nerd girl that was truer than any other girl that he idolizes was creepy as all heck too.


I had just judged by the cover art that it would be dystopian (which I just don't do), but you've described a total soup sandwich. I'd rather have Snow Crash.
 
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2018-01-02 12:16:36 PM  
Hopefully the brevity of a film will improve the nostalgia to interesting stuff ratio.
 
2018-01-02 12:17:03 PM  
Once I heard the movie was being developed for it, I went ahead and read it. I know people are excited for the movie, and I have had a few discussions with people about the book, and they LOVED it. I've had a hard time understanding why, though.

I read the book and the callbacks to my growing-up years were cool (arcade games in '82 or so,  the same nostalgia Stranger Things pulls on, etc.). The writing style was confusing, though - I'm not sure if the author was trying to write in a teen style or purely isn't that good of a writer, and it was hard not to eyeroll at some prose choices at times...
 
2018-01-02 12:17:52 PM  

standardeviation: rcain: kronicfeld: Ready Mary Sue

Never read the book, but from the trailer, it looks like a sci-fi retelling of the King Arthur legend. Which is right up Spielberg's alley. Ever since ET, he loves to give all his movies a fairy tale ending regardless of how absurd (see War of the Worlds for peak fairy tale). The only exception to that rule were his historical works, Saving Private Ryan and Lincoln, making them the most watchable Spielberg flicks in his post-ET years. Anyway, being that the entire plot line is based on fairy tale, he'll be fully in his element so this should be a fun film to watch on Netflix. But, there's no way in hell that I'd pay to see it in theaters unless it becomes some sort of pop-culture phenom.

The book is the worst possible example of competency porn imaginable. There is a major plot point around playing a perfect game of pacman, and another about memorizing the dialog to war games. It's a stupifying read that makes the day Vinci code look like high literature.


In all fairness, most main stream big buck Hollywood movies are pure Competence Porn these days.
Are not the never ending stream of super hero movies nothing if not competence porn?

Also, it is quite possible that Spielberg did a rewrite to make the protagonist less than competent, giving it that Arthurian angle of "underdog makes good", or "hapless every day kid saves they day" which are tropes he is quite fond of, which could be summed up as "Incompetence Porn". Which is also very prevalent in Hollywood
 
2018-01-02 12:17:53 PM  

standardeviation: rcain: kronicfeld: Ready Mary Sue

The book is the worst possible example of competency porn imaginable. There is a major plot point around playing a perfect game of pacman, and another about memorizing the dialog to war games. It's a stupifying read that makes the day Vinci code look like high literature.


Listened to this on audiobook while road tripping this holiday.  We found the basic story interesting but it's wrapped in so much tedious '80s nostalgia which was really difficult to get through at many times. There are so many "here's an obscure or not so obscure '80s thing, rest assured, I know about it because I am very smart."

I'm hoping that the movie can edit out so much of the superfluous geek cred material that weighs down the story.  With proper editing it could be good.
 
2018-01-02 12:20:34 PM  
I saw the trailer, and it looks like it insists upon itself.
 
2018-01-02 12:20:42 PM  

wildcardjack: IcedTorch: I read the book and while it was an interesting alt dystopia thing, it was too rooted into nostalgia wanking to be actually good.
It was "deep" enough into it that anyone that was actually into those things would consider the protagonist a mary sue, he just so happened to know everything by heart and be great at everything, down to having memorized whole movie scripts.

The whole bit with the nerd girl that was truer than any other girl that he idolizes was creepy as all heck too.

I had just judged by the cover art that it would be dystopian (which I just don't do), but you've described a total soup sandwich. I'd rather have Snow Crash.


Plot Summary:   Sometime in the past a nerd invents virtual reality internet and distributes it so that access to it is free but transport and items inside the "Oasis" is paid with actual money.  School and every form of government moves into this world.  The world is setup so that there are massive planets and constelations all over that can be built on by people, with companies buying whole planets and groups of starts to setup whatever they want.
The nerd dies a multibillionaire and launches onto the world a challenge to find easter eggs he hid inside the world, whoever finds all three and performs the challenges on them will be granted the legal heir to his world and fortune.

The story then follows one of the dystopian world teenagers who , alongside their whole generation, focus on everything the nerd obsessed over , which was the eighties, as they hunt for the easter eggs before corporations can get them.
 
2018-01-02 12:22:56 PM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: I haven't seen this movie yet (and actually don't know all that much about it), but I've already decided it sucks.

When I do go to see it, I'll ignore all the good parts, and instead focus on the parts that confirm my bias.

I'll then spend an inordinate amount of time on Fark, mocking anyone who holds a different opinion that I do.


Because you hate the movie, you are obviously a shill for Disney/Marvel (as the film is produced by WB) as is anyone else who reviews the film negatively, even if the film is genuinely bad and all criticisms of it are valid.
 
2018-01-02 12:23:26 PM  

ImOnIslandTime: If you want a good analysis of why this book is so awful, look up "372 Pages We'll Never Get Back". It's some of the MST3K guys absolutely slashing into it (and praising it once in a great while). I knew the book didn't satisfy me and they did a great job explaining why.


This.  It was Mike Nelson and one of the RiffTrax writers.  They did a pretty brutal and accurate takedown.
 
2018-01-02 12:24:12 PM  
I lived through the 80s and don't need to go through it again.

Sounds too much like The Matrix, which had a great first movie ( even though it didn't make a lot of sense, why not just use much more docile animals like cows or Mormons), the sequels were doomed because the good guys had no real plan. Free everyone from The Matrix so that 6 billion people can live in a world where a couple thousand barely exist.

But at least Spielberg is at least trying to make fun movies again. I'm tired of history lessons about Nazis.
 
2018-01-02 12:25:57 PM  

The_Sponge: I saw the trailer, and it looks like it insists upon itself.


What does that even mean? It has a valid point to make! It's insistent!

/I bet you have not seen the ending.
 
2018-01-02 12:26:22 PM  

Mugato: I lived through the 80s and don't need to go through it again.

Sounds too much like The Matrix, which had a great first movie ( even though it didn't make a lot of sense, why not just use much more docile animals like cows or Mormons), the sequels were doomed because the good guys had no real plan. Free everyone from The Matrix so that 6 billion people can live in a world where a couple thousand barely exist.


The original script had the machines use human brains to passively process computation instead of generating electricity with their bodies, it was removed from the actual movie over fears it would be hard to understand for the common movie goer.
 
2018-01-02 12:28:25 PM  
The book was light, shallow reading but I knew it was light, shallow reading before reading it and I was in the mood for something light and shallow, so I liked it. It could be a good movie if some of its rougher edges get toned down, which Spielberg is really good at.
 
2018-01-02 12:29:00 PM  
"But wouldn't almost anything make a better battery than a human body? Like a potato? Or a battery?"
 
2018-01-02 12:30:48 PM  
I saw the preview before TLJ.  Meh.

What really disturbed me is the anime big-eyed girl movie, super imposed on a real actress.

You think the Neck beard shut ins ruining the world are bad now.... yikes...

alita: battle angel is apparently the name of it.
 
2018-01-02 12:37:29 PM  

IcedTorch: Mugato: I lived through the 80s and don't need to go through it again.

Sounds too much like The Matrix, which had a great first movie ( even though it didn't make a lot of sense, why not just use much more docile animals like cows or Mormons), the sequels were doomed because the good guys had no real plan. Free everyone from The Matrix so that 6 billion people can live in a world where a couple thousand barely exist.

The original script had the machines use human brains to passively process computation instead of generating electricity with their bodies, it was removed from the actual movie over fears it would be hard to understand for the common movie goer.


That's true, a human serial processor would have made a bit more sense but it was more like the studio suits didn't understand it. Cocaine is a helluva drug.
 
2018-01-02 12:37:36 PM  

IcedTorch: Plot Summary:   Sometime in the past a nerd invents virtual reality internet and distributes it so that access to it is free but transport and items inside the "Oasis" is paid with actual money.  School and every form of government moves into this world.  The world is setup so that there are massive planets and constelations all over that can be built on by people, with companies buying whole planets and groups of starts to setup whatever they want.
The nerd dies a multibillionaire and launches onto the world a challenge to find easter eggs he hid inside the world, whoever finds all three and performs the challenges on them will be granted the legal heir to his world and fortune.

The story then follows one of the dystopian world teenagers who , alongside their whole generation, focus on everything the nerd obsessed over , which was the eighties, as they hunt for the easter eggs before corporations can get them.


Shorter version:

It's Willy Wonka / The Westing Game with HEY, REMEMBER STUFF FROM THE 80s?!?
 
2018-01-02 12:38:01 PM  

This text is now purple: SkylineRecords: It's the year 2045 and people are still wearing Chuck Taylors? Now you've lost me.

They debuted in 1920 and in their present form in 1924. Is it so surprising they'd persist for another 27 years when they're already 98 years old?


It IS surprising, because they're such a sh*tty, cheaply made shoe. Stepping in a puddle wearing one of those can ruin your day.

In this hypothetical future, they have immersive VR technology, but their shoes are still made of truck tire rubber and burlap?
 
2018-01-02 12:39:54 PM  
FTA: It's 2045 and Earth has been brought to its knees by catastrophic climate change and a worldwide energy crisis, not to mention famine, poverty, disease and war.

We won't have to wait nearly that long.
 
2018-01-02 12:41:13 PM  

SkylineRecords: This text is now purple: SkylineRecords: It's the year 2045 and people are still wearing Chuck Taylors? Now you've lost me.

They debuted in 1920 and in their present form in 1924. Is it so surprising they'd persist for another 27 years when they're already 98 years old?

It IS surprising, because they're such a sh*tty, cheaply made shoe. Stepping in a puddle wearing one of those can ruin your day.

In this hypothetical future, they have immersive VR technology, but their shoes are still made of truck tire rubber and burlap?


He's an almost homeless kid living on scraps. The whole plot is about most of the population being poor as shiat and living in giant dumpsters with the Free Immersive vr technology being passed on from a bilionaire that wants to have the tech reach everyone no matter how much money they have.
 
2018-01-02 12:41:41 PM  

Dimensio: Thong_of_Zardoz: I haven't seen this movie yet (and actually don't know all that much about it), but I've already decided it sucks.

When I do go to see it, I'll ignore all the good parts, and instead focus on the parts that confirm my bias.

I'll then spend an inordinate amount of time on Fark, mocking anyone who holds a different opinion that I do.

Because you hate the movie, you are obviously a shill for Disney/Marvel (as the film is produced by WB) as is anyone else who reviews the film negatively, even if the film is genuinely bad and all criticisms of it are valid.


The hardcore fanboys already hate it because it's going to be too similar to the book and also not different enough from the book, plus I hear there's strong women characters in it just like nuGhostbusters and they can't handle that.

/never heard of Ready Player One till I saw the trailer, so my opinion is unsullied and therefore more relevant than everyone else's
 
2018-01-02 12:42:37 PM  

IcedTorch: I read the book and while it was an interesting alt dystopia thing, it was too rooted into nostalgia wanking to be actually good.
It was "deep" enough into it that anyone that was actually into those things would consider the protagonist a mary sue, he just so happened to know everything by heart and be great at everything, down to having memorized whole movie scripts.

The whole bit with the nerd girl that was truer than any other girl that he idolizes was creepy as all heck too.


There's also a scene where he corrects some dude on obscure geek trivia, and an entire club full of strangers bursts into applause at that EPIC OWNAGE.

It's like a serious version of the Marine Todd meme.
 
2018-01-02 01:01:38 PM  

bobug: durbnpoisn: I did not read the book, or even know there was one until now. All I know is what I saw in the trailer.  And it looks terribly underwhelming.
About the only thing that appears like it might be interesting is the comparison I see to the Snowcrash version of the internet.

This brings to mind why I do not like movie trailers at all.  Too much of the story is told before you even buy a ticket.  If I had walked into that movie cold - knowing nothing about it, there is a chance that I would be entertained.
But knowing exactly what the story is, and seeing all the things that should be a mystery to the viewer...  Makes me think it's not worth it.

Snow Crash would be a great mini series. I LOVE that book.


I do not know exactly what kind of following Stephenson has, but I have never met a person that read that book that didn't say something very similar to that.

I've read 4 of his books.  Most recent was Seveneves.  If you haven't read that, do it now.  Do not delay.
 
2018-01-02 01:01:51 PM  
I remember hearing the same overly optimistic stuff about Ender's Game before it came out.
 
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