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(National Review)   Writer with the attention span of a goldfish wonders why NY Times' stories on Trump-Russian collusion keeps changing. Many blind men & women, Mueller's team still excavating the elephant, etc   ( nationalreview.com) divider line
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2018-01-02 11:31:56 AM  
Andrew McCarty's excellent in The Family.  He should stick to acting and leave the politics to others.
 
2018-01-02 11:35:03 AM  
It is an interesting twist on Rovian projection.

1)  State reason you mistakenly think investigation is initiated.

2)  Get proven wrong by fact, time, reality.

3)  Blame fact, time, reality for being inconsistent and desperate.
 
2018-01-02 11:48:17 AM  
This point of view makes perfect sense if you believe (or want to reinforce the notion in your readers' heads) that the investigation is just an political trick driven by the liberal/media narrative.  To accept that the NYT and others' story evolves based on new information being produced by the investigation not only legitimizes the investigation (can't have that in a law&order presidency!) but also validates the baseline journalism work done by mainstream outlets (definitely can't have that in a post-fact society).

So, good jorb as always right wing media... what you skip in journalistic legwork you make up for in staying on message and remembering how to keep the readership happy with your polished turds.
 
2018-01-02 12:00:48 PM  
Do these people realize the NYT and CNN aren't in charge of the investigation?

Also, just in case you haven't noticed, NRO is essentially all-in on Trump now. They rarely post articles anymore, and when they do, they're fanatically pro-Trump. Any anti-Trump contributors they have are relegated to the back pages.

Guess they got the memo.
 
2018-01-02 12:03:22 PM  
It's also worth pointing out that this article is the exact MO of Fark IndependentsTM.

The story is never the actual story. The story is people's reaction to the story.

That way, you never have to defend Trump, you just have to attack his detractors. It affords a certain sense of plausible deniability.
 
2018-01-02 12:04:44 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Do these people realize the NYT and CNN aren't in charge of the investigation?

Also, just in case you haven't noticed, NRO is essentially all-in on Trump now. They rarely post articles anymore, and when they do, they're fanatically pro-Trump. Any anti-Trump contributors they have are relegated to the back pages.

Guess they got the memo.


They and Fox, et al, are propaganda arms for Trump so they naturally assume others actual, legit, professional news outlets are working entirely in the service of the "other side."  They force reality into a makeshift fallacy of insufficient options.  And it works rather effectively.
 
2018-01-02 12:10:03 PM  

Diogenes: They and Fox, et al, are propaganda arms for Trump so they naturally assume others actual, legit, professional news outlets are working entirely in the service of the "other side."


It's also a convenient safe space for them. They don't need to talk about Trump when they can just talk about the media's reaction to Trump.

This has been the gameplan for all the quote-unquote "Never Trumpers" among the right. They don't talk about Trump's actual policies and conduct, they only talk about the media's reaction to his policies and conduct.
 
2018-01-02 12:18:09 PM  

sigdiamond2000: The story is people's reaction to the story.


This is true with all things, and not limited to just the dipshiats
 
2018-01-02 01:31:48 PM  
I try to give NRO a fair shake since it's allegedly the brainy conservative outlet, but you have to twist your brain to hard to convince yourself their writing has any sort of point.
 
2018-01-02 01:33:13 PM  
Every denial about russian involvement in his campaign has been shown to be a lie so far.
 
2018-01-02 01:33:15 PM  

Diogenes: Andrew McCarty's excellent in The Family.  He should stick to acting and leave the politics to others.





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2018-01-02 01:33:21 PM  
So we've obviously reached the stage where the impending '18 wave is a bigger threat to the GOP than destroying democracy in general.
 
2018-01-02 01:34:01 PM  
Well, it turns out the Page angle and thus the collusion narrative itself is beset by an Obama-administration scandal:

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2018-01-02 01:34:01 PM  

invictus2: Diogenes: Andrew McCarty's excellent in The Family.  He should stick to acting and leave the politics to others.

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I don't see any dignity there.
 
2018-01-02 01:36:37 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Every denial about russian involvement in his campaign has been shown to be a lie so far.

FTFY
 
2018-01-02 01:36:47 PM  
Christ on a bike. What universe do I live in? I've never read anything more inane. I know your investigation takes time Bob....but please hurry. For the sake of my liver.
 
2018-01-02 01:38:17 PM  

verbaltoxin: I try to give NRO a fair shake since it's allegedly the brainy conservative outlet, but you have to twist your brain to hard to convince yourself their writing has any sort of point.


The National Review and the National Review Online are edited separately.  Print NR is the occasionally non-derpy publication you're thinking of.  NRO is ALWAYS derpy.  It's just Breitbart or Drudge with a fancier name.  It's been that way for a long time.
 
2018-01-02 01:41:11 PM  

Deep Contact: HotWingConspiracy: Every denial about russian involvement in his campaign has been shown to be a lie so far.
FTFY


Seems weird that they consistently lied about all of their contacts with Russians. Hell, Kushner is still lying
 
2018-01-02 01:42:52 PM  
A better question might be why Kushner, Sessions, and friends keeps changing their stories.
 
2018-01-02 01:43:25 PM  
Partisan bullsh#t.  Just look at what else this guy writes.

http://www.nationalreview.com/author/​a​ndrew-c-mccarthy

He's a fountain of disinformation and spin who uses leading questions in the title to spread doubt about the investigation.  If whataboutism were currency he'd have retired comfortably by now.
 
2018-01-02 01:45:26 PM  

Deep Contact: HotWingConspiracy: Every denial about russian involvement in his campaign has been shown to be a lie so far.
FTFY


No, you fixed that for Trump, like the Russians did.
 
2018-01-02 01:46:22 PM  
Boy, Andrew McCarthy sure sounds nervous, doesn't he?
 
2018-01-02 01:47:20 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Print NR is the occasionally non-derpy publication you're thinking of.


"We're occasionally lucid!" isn't a strong point.
 
2018-01-02 01:48:16 PM  
It's almost as if the story evolves as more and more information becomes available.
 
2018-01-02 01:48:45 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Deep Contact: HotWingConspiracy: Every denial about russian involvement in his campaign has been shown to be a lie so far.
FTFY

Seems weird that they consistently lied about all of their contacts with Russians. Hell, Kushner is still lying


For a bunch of innocent guys, they sure do act guilty!
 
2018-01-02 01:50:59 PM  

Rapmaster2000: A better question might be why Kushner, Sessions, and friends keeps changing their stories.


And why numerous people from Trump down to Nunes keep interfering and obstructing in the investigation they claim is totally made up, and that they're completely innocent.
 
2018-01-02 01:53:10 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Do these people realize the NYT and CNN aren't in charge of the investigation?


Also, as far as I can remember, the only outlets claiming the investigation was sparked by the Steele dossier are Fox News et al, fed by Nunes and his merry gang of justice obstructors.
 
2018-01-02 01:54:41 PM  
When did Teen Vogue start calling itself NRO?
 
2018-01-02 01:58:49 PM  
I see no reason not to trust a guy named McCarthy screaming about shadow organizations out to hurt America.
 
2018-01-02 01:59:01 PM  
This, no doubt, is why Mueller permitted Papadopoulos to plead guilty to a mere process crime - lying in an FBI interview. If there were evidence of an actual collusion conspiracy, Papadopoulos would have been pressured to admit guilt to it. He wasn't.

Or maybe he was allowed to plead to a lesser offense because HE'S A COOPERATING WITNESS, YOU CHUCKLEFARK.

/loved you in Mannequin though
 
2018-01-02 02:02:35 PM  
Can someone explain the headline to me? I don't understand the joke/reference except elephant = GOP, maybe?
 
2018-01-02 02:08:46 PM  

nmrsnr: Can someone explain the headline to me? I don't understand the joke/reference except elephant = GOP, maybe?


I think its a variation of "Q: How do you eat an elephant? A: One bite at a time" conflated with the famous poem https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-b​l​ind-man-and-the-elephant/
 
2018-01-02 02:10:13 PM  
this is the state of the world...

Right wing stories don't need to change to accommodate facts. To change them would indicate weakness, even.

Truthful stories that change (improve) based upon new facts coming to light are wrong and indicative of lazy reporting and sloppy messaging.
 
2018-01-02 02:10:51 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: verbaltoxin: I try to give NRO a fair shake since it's allegedly the brainy conservative outlet, but you have to twist your brain to hard to convince yourself their writing has any sort of point.

The National Review and the National Review Online are edited separately.  Print NR is the occasionally non-derpy publication you're thinking of.  NRO is ALWAYS derpy.  It's just Breitbart or Drudge with a fancier name.  It's been that way for a long time.


Glad to see somebody else remembers this. Also, this moron
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Was the creator of NRO and is still the editor at large. It has always been 100% derp.
 
2018-01-02 02:12:48 PM  
Sailing Starflower:
Truthful stories that change (improve) based upon new facts coming to light are wrong and indicative of lazy reporting and sloppy messaging.

I'd point out again that in this case the story didn't change. He's projecting their own bullshiat narrative (that the Steele dossier triggered the investigation into the Trump campaign) onto the NYT and then calling bullshiat on it.
 
2018-01-02 02:14:41 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: This, no doubt, is why Mueller permitted Papadopoulos to plead guilty to a mere process crime - lying in an FBI interview. If there were evidence of an actual collusion conspiracy, Papadopoulos would have been pressured to admit guilt to it. He wasn't.

Or maybe he was allowed to plead to a lesser offense because HE'S A COOPERATING WITNESS, YOU CHUCKLEFARK.

/loved you in Mannequin though


Username checks out.
 
2018-01-02 02:16:18 PM  

Sailing Starflower: this is the state of the world...

Right wing stories don't need to change to accommodate facts. To change them would indicate weakness, even.

Truthful stories that change (improve) based upon new facts coming to light are wrong and indicative of lazy reporting and sloppy messaging.


Have you not noticed tight wing denigration of science? "It keeps changing, so how can it be correct!?!" Bullshiat
 
2018-01-02 02:17:05 PM  

dsmith42: HMS_Blinkin: verbaltoxin: I try to give NRO a fair shake since it's allegedly the brainy conservative outlet, but you have to twist your brain to hard to convince yourself their writing has any sort of point.

The National Review and the National Review Online are edited separately.  Print NR is the occasionally non-derpy publication you're thinking of.  NRO is ALWAYS derpy.  It's just Breitbart or Drudge with a fancier name.  It's been that way for a long time.

Glad to see somebody else remembers this. Also, this moron
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Was the creator of NRO and is still the editor at large. It has always been 100% derp.


And has written some scathing anti-trump articles recently.
 
2018-01-02 02:25:12 PM  

the_innkeeper: dsmith42: HMS_Blinkin: verbaltoxin: I try to give NRO a fair shake since it's allegedly the brainy conservative outlet, but you have to twist your brain to hard to convince yourself their writing has any sort of point.

The National Review and the National Review Online are edited separately.  Print NR is the occasionally non-derpy publication you're thinking of.  NRO is ALWAYS derpy.  It's just Breitbart or Drudge with a fancier name.  It's been that way for a long time.

Glad to see somebody else remembers this. Also, this moron
[images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 225x346]

Was the creator of NRO and is still the editor at large. It has always been 100% derp.

And has written some scathing anti-trump articles recently.


He's still a piece of trash who simply has seen the right wing swing SO far to the right, with an uncomfortable dollop of antisemitism on top, that he started feeling uncomfortable years after it was too late to stop the ball he helped start rolling.
 
2018-01-02 02:32:04 PM  

verbaltoxin: I try to give NRO a fair shake since it's allegedly the brainy conservative outlet, but you have to twist your brain to hard to convince yourself their writing has any sort of point.


Even back when I was still a Republican I stopped reading NRO. You are wrong to give them the benefit of the doubt just as anyone who thought they were anti-Trump was wrong.

They exist to carry water for the GOP and provide talking points for your so-called "conservative" uncle so he can have the appearance of respectability rather than just having to resort to screaming, "That's because of them n%33ers" like he actually thinks. They're a propaganda arm of the GOP and their short-lived - and half-hearted "we don't like Trump" was solely to give plausible deniability to the GOP, who didn't know how that crazy election season was going to shake out for their crazy candidate.

NRO is worse than garbage. Garbage can find a positive purpose in recycling. NRO just needs to go in the incinerator.
 
2018-01-02 02:32:14 PM  

Bloody William: the_innkeeper: dsmith42: HMS_Blinkin: verbaltoxin: I try to give NRO a fair shake since it's allegedly the brainy conservative outlet, but you have to twist your brain to hard to convince yourself their writing has any sort of point.

The National Review and the National Review Online are edited separately.  Print NR is the occasionally non-derpy publication you're thinking of.  NRO is ALWAYS derpy.  It's just Breitbart or Drudge with a fancier name.  It's been that way for a long time.

Glad to see somebody else remembers this. Also, this moron
[images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 225x346]

Was the creator of NRO and is still the editor at large. It has always been 100% derp.

And has written some scathing anti-trump articles recently.

He's still a piece of trash who simply has seen the right wing swing SO far to the right, with an uncomfortable dollop of antisemitism on top, that he started feeling uncomfortable years after it was too late to stop the ball he helped start rolling.


Also worth noting that his mom is as much responsible as anyone else in America for weaponizing right-wing media and ushering in the era of fake news.

Not his fault, of course, but that's his pedigree.
 
2018-01-02 02:44:49 PM  
Flop-sweat in article form.
 
2018-01-02 03:03:25 PM  
Somebody at NRO doesn't understand something? Shocking.
 
2018-01-02 03:09:10 PM  
But hey, if you're willing to hang in there through the first 36 paragraphs of the Times' nearly 3,000-word Papadopoulos report

Nearly 3000 words? Can you believe those coastal elites at the NYT have the unmitigated gall to waste people's time with such a lengthy article? I mean, the real 'muricans at National Review would never do such a...
 
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2018-01-02 03:26:43 PM  

DeaH: Deep Contact: HotWingConspiracy: Every denial about russian involvement in his campaign has been shown to be a lie so far.
FTFY

No, you fixed that for Trump, like the Russians did.


Get over it.
 
2018-01-02 03:33:24 PM  

the_innkeeper: dsmith42: HMS_Blinkin: verbaltoxin: I try to give NRO a fair shake since it's allegedly the brainy conservative outlet, but you have to twist your brain to hard to convince yourself their writing has any sort of point.

The National Review and the National Review Online are edited separately.  Print NR is the occasionally non-derpy publication you're thinking of.  NRO is ALWAYS derpy.  It's just Breitbart or Drudge with a fancier name.  It's been that way for a long time.

Glad to see somebody else remembers this. Also, this moron
[images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 225x346]

Was the creator of NRO and is still the editor at large. It has always been 100% derp.

And has written some scathing anti-trump articles recently.


Yeah, this year is so very weird. I occasionally find myself agreeing with him, Bill Kristol, and Jennifer Rubin. I think Jonah contributed to the print anti-Trump edition, and I know Kristol did.
 
2018-01-02 03:46:30 PM  
NRO has evolved from the Never Trump camp to the Never Blame Trump camp.

/I meant devolved.
 
2018-01-02 04:00:43 PM  

eiger: HotWingConspiracy: Deep Contact: HotWingConspiracy: Every denial about russian involvement in his campaign has been shown to be a lie so far.
FTFY

Seems weird that they consistently lied about all of their contacts with Russians. Hell, Kushner is still lying

For a bunch of innocent guys, they sure do act guilty!


It's not the crime, it's the covfefe-up.
 
2018-01-02 04:08:40 PM  

Deep Contact: DeaH: Deep Contact: HotWingConspiracy: Every denial about russian involvement in his campaign has been shown to be a lie so far.
FTFY

No, you fixed that for Trump, like the Russians did.

Get over it.


Nope, not until everyone who helped them is behind bars. Not until no foreign power can ever do this to us again.
 
2018-01-02 06:16:25 PM  

Deep Contact: DeaH: Deep Contact: HotWingConspiracy: Every denial about russian involvement in his campaign has been shown to be a lie so far.
FTFY

No, you fixed that for Trump, like the Russians did.

Get over it.


Cry some more, no-effort troll.
 
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