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2018-01-02 10:57:39 AM  
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2018-01-02 11:18:12 AM  
"If Trump were to run again, he'd be in deep trouble," said Janet Petersen, the leader of Iowa's Senate Democrats. "A dog bites you the first time, it's not your fault. The second time it bites you, it's your own damn fault."

Actually, if everyone tells you that the dog will bite you and the dog has a tag with his name on it and his name is "Bitey", even the first time the dog bites you is your fault...
 
2018-01-02 11:25:43 AM  
"Their 401(k)s are 40 percent higher since November of last year."

I was going to make a snarky comment about this but it turns out that Iowa has one of the highest participation rates for 401k funds...
So good for them....
 
2018-01-02 11:43:23 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: "If Trump were to run again, he'd be in deep trouble," said Janet Petersen, the leader of Iowa's Senate Democrats. "A dog bites you the first time, it's not your fault. The second time it bites you, it's your own damn fault."

Actually, if everyone tells you that the dog will bite you and the dog has a tag with his name on it and his name is "Bitey", even the first time the dog bites you is your fault...


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2018-01-02 11:45:09 AM  
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2018-01-02 11:46:20 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: "If Trump were to run again, he'd be in deep trouble," said Janet Petersen, the leader of Iowa's Senate Democrats. "A dog bites you the first time, it's not your fault. The second time it bites you, it's your own damn fault."

Actually, if everyone tells you that the dog will bite you and the dog has a tag with his name on it and his name is "Bitey", even the first time the dog bites you is your fault...


Came here for this, leaving happily.

HE SAID HE WAS GONNA!

 
2018-01-02 11:53:11 AM  
I'll hold off on my reevaluation of Iowan's gullibility (and that of PA, MI, OH, WI, and several other states) until November.  Something tells me that there won't be a seismic shift in my conclusion.
 
2018-01-02 12:35:01 PM  
Imagine if Barack Obama had owned a hotel / golf resort and spent about every third weekend being flown in Air Force One to it and the taxpayers would have to pay for the trips and for the hotel stay and rounds of golf.

Sheeut. Imagine if ANY Democrat did that.

IOKIYAR at it's purest.
 
2018-01-02 01:46:54 PM  
Let's hope the other states catch on.

Notably the ones with the bigger Electoral Votes.
 
2018-01-02 01:48:56 PM  
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2018-01-02 01:50:30 PM  
Idiots
Out
Walking
Around.
 
2018-01-02 01:51:39 PM  
And if you need further proof they aren't all that bright: they not only invited the Mayor of NYC to speak, they sat and listened to him. Not even New Yorkers do that.
 
2018-01-02 01:52:19 PM  

Maud Dib: Idiots
Out
Walking
Around.


I dunno... their obesity rate is really high, even by American standards.  It seems unlikely that they walk around much.
 
2018-01-02 01:53:05 PM  
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2018-01-02 01:54:00 PM  
Good. I hope every rotten thing they asked for happens to them. The fact they're becoming aware it's their own fault just drives the message home that much harder.

You wanted STIGINIT? Then go get stuck. At this point, it's the only way you might finally learn to stop casting spite votes.
 
2018-01-02 01:54:21 PM  

Slives: "Their 401(k)s are 40 percent higher since November of last year."

I was going to make a snarky comment about this but it turns out that Iowa has one of the highest participation rates for 401k funds...
So good for them....


And their 401(k)s went up nearly 300 percent under Obama, but that apparently didn't matter to them.
 
2018-01-02 01:54:56 PM  
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Congrats, Cooter. You just figured out that every bell curve needs a left half.
 
2018-01-02 01:56:11 PM  
Republicans are facing the same thing they capitalized on in 2016--the economy is improving, but it doesn't feel improved for the average person. People still feel like they are behind where their parents were at the same age because most of them are behind where their parents were at the same age. Creating an ultra-uber-rich class simply highlights how much less the average person has in comparison.
 
2018-01-02 01:56:21 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Slives: "Their 401(k)s are 40 percent higher since November of last year."

I was going to make a snarky comment about this but it turns out that Iowa has one of the highest participation rates for 401k funds...
So good for them....

And their 401(k)s went up nearly 300 percent under Obama, but that apparently didn't matter to them.


We call virulent racism "economic anxiety" now
 
2018-01-02 01:56:25 PM  
Beginning in 1988, Iowa voted Democratic in Presidential elections with two exceptions: 2004 and 2016. Those two exceptions just happen to be the biggest "what the f*cks" ever.
 
2018-01-02 01:56:38 PM  
What are they gonna do about it?
Vote for a Democrat?
 
2018-01-02 01:57:47 PM  

factoryconnection: I'll hold off on my reevaluation of Iowan's gullibility (and that of PA, MI, OH, WI, and several other states) until November.  Something tells me that there won't be a seismic shift in my conclusion.


Wisconsinite here: in some cases it was gullibility and a judgement error on the part of the Trump voter.

But in other cases? Many parts of this state sadly are more bigoted than any parts of the Carolinas I dealt with. ( I grew up in South Carolina) Others honestly believe his populist bullshiat about his ability to bring back the mythical $60,000 a year button pushing job in the paper mill that closed 15 years ago. Others like the idea that It's all the fault of the Mexicans, who just happen to be our 3rd largest trading partner
 
2018-01-02 01:58:48 PM  
Meh.  They'll do it again.  He's stigginit to "those people".
 
2018-01-02 01:59:22 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: What are they gonna do about it?
Vote for a Democrat?


They've gone Democratic six out of the last eight times. Everyone is acting like it's f*cking Alabama. It's not.
 
2018-01-02 01:59:26 PM  
The issue here is that a lot of Republican voters are single issue. The biggest issue is abortion. The Democrats are never going to win these people over because their religion tells them that they will burn in hell for eternity if they support a pro choice candidate. The other big single issue is stigginit. These people are willing to vote for someone whose policies harm them as long as those policies hurt people that are not like them more (see Southern Strategy). They are also unreachable. These groups make up a significant percentage if not the majority of Republican voters. We need to focus on getting more people to vote. Allowing a minority of lunatics to control our political system is the problem. The solution is not to dissuade them of their views but to out vote them by such an extent that they become irrelevant.
 
2018-01-02 01:59:55 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: Rev. Skarekroe: What are they gonna do about it?
Vote for a Democrat?

They've gone Democratic six out of the last eight times. Everyone is acting like it's f*cking Alabama. It's not.


Half of MN is, though.
 
2018-01-02 02:02:18 PM  
I bought into rich guy he said he was running,
Thought I would be in financial bliss,
Yet, the corn crop isn't not selling,
The only warm feeling now is when I piss,
Where O where are you tonight,
Why did you leave me here all alone,
Searched the world over thought I found true Love(Trump)
Than came another(Putin) and pffffft! you where gone.
 
2018-01-02 02:02:48 PM  

red230: The issue here is that a lot of Republican voters are single issue. The biggest issue is abortion. The Democrats are never going to win these people over because their religion tells them that they will burn in hell for eternity if they support a pro choice candidate. The other big single issue is stigginit. These people are willing to vote for someone whose policies harm them as long as those policies hurt people that are not like them more (see Southern Strategy). They are also unreachable. These groups make up a significant percentage if not the majority of Republican voters. We need to focus on getting more people to vote. Allowing a minority of lunatics to control our political system is the problem. The solution is not to dissuade them of their views but to out vote them by such an extent that they become irrelevant.


I mean...none of those people felt like abortion was a religious issue until the GOP started telling them it was...

Also, Iowa elected Steve King, didn't they? Trump might not be the biggest idiot they elected.

/says the guy whose reps are some of the most farked up farkheads in the country
 
2018-01-02 02:03:06 PM  

whidbey: KiwDaWabbit: Rev. Skarekroe: What are they gonna do about it?
Vote for a Democrat?

They've gone Democratic six out of the last eight times. Everyone is acting like it's f*cking Alabama. It's not.

Half of MN is, though.


Haha...I'm not saying it's super progressive (it's not), but the idea that a Democrat can't win there when Dukakis and Gore won there is also bullsh*t.

And, yeah. I'm very sad that they went for Trump. I don't like it, but I understand it.
 
2018-01-02 02:05:47 PM  
"Why Iowa has turned against Trump and Republicans is a mystery that both parties are eager to figure out ahead of the 2018 midterms, looking to understand whether it's an aberration or a sign of a greater political trend."

......this?  This is a "mystery?"  Bigfoot, Mothman, The Jersey Devil and why things look bad for Trump and the GOP?

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave you BEEN awake the PAST farkING YEAR!

Haaaaaaaaaaaaave you SEEN the goddamned "amateur hour" crap going on?

A mystery.  Huh.
 
2018-01-02 02:08:14 PM  

IAmRight: red230: The issue here is that a lot of Republican voters are single issue. The biggest issue is abortion. The Democrats are never going to win these people over because their religion tells them that they will burn in hell for eternity if they support a pro choice candidate. The other big single issue is stigginit. These people are willing to vote for someone whose policies harm them as long as those policies hurt people that are not like them more (see Southern Strategy). They are also unreachable. These groups make up a significant percentage if not the majority of Republican voters. We need to focus on getting more people to vote. Allowing a minority of lunatics to control our political system is the problem. The solution is not to dissuade them of their views but to out vote them by such an extent that they become irrelevant.

I mean...none of those people felt like abortion was a religious issue until the GOP started telling them it was...

Also, Iowa elected Steve King, didn't they? Trump might not be the biggest idiot they elected.

/says the guy whose reps are some of the most farked up farkheads in the country


The abortion issue can be overcome. No one likes to hear it, but I think that Iowa was clearly in the "Hillary isn't exciting" camp. I personally disagree wholeheartedly with their choice, but, again, I think a lot of people weren't motivated.

Steve King is an abomination, but if you want to compare Iowa to Alabama, I'll give you that for his district. In a statewide election, though, the boonies he represents won't have the votes to go up against the likes of Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, Davenport, etc.
 
2018-01-02 02:09:19 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: Beginning in 1988, Iowa voted Democratic in Presidential elections with two exceptions: 2004 and 2016. Those two exceptions just happen to be the biggest "what the f*cks" ever.


2004 made perfect sense.  There was a war and people liked to say "you can't change horses midstream" like it was an ironclad truth of horsemanship and so we have to re-elect GW Bush to finish his well-planned our war.  99% of people don't know jack about horses, but like all old timey sayings, it gets a lot of traction.

If Trump plans out a war in 2019 and the election is scheduled before people realize too late what a terrible idea it was, then he could easily win on that.
 
2018-01-02 02:10:26 PM  

Slives: "Their 401(k)s are 40 percent higher since November of last year."


difficulty, actually looking at someone's 401(k)
 
2018-01-02 02:11:28 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: whidbey: KiwDaWabbit: Rev. Skarekroe: What are they gonna do about it?
Vote for a Democrat?

They've gone Democratic six out of the last eight times. Everyone is acting like it's f*cking Alabama. It's not.

Half of MN is, though.

Haha...I'm not saying it's super progressive (it's not), but the idea that a Democrat can't win there when Dukakis and Gore won there is also bullsh*t.

And, yeah. I'm very sad that they went for Trump. I don't like it, but I understand it.


Sorry, I'm getting mixed up with the Bachmann thread. Iowa can be pretty derpy outside of Iowa City, though.
 
2018-01-02 02:13:03 PM  

red230: The issue here is that a lot of Republican voters are single issue. The biggest issue is abortion. The Democrats are never going to win these people over because their religion tells them that they will burn in hell for eternity if they support a pro choice candidate.


is it?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bowmanma​r​sico/2016/01/21/abortion-and-the-2016-​elections-how-much-will-it-matter/#5b7​9d5cf381e
 
2018-01-02 02:14:00 PM  
Yeah, well you try realizing stuff when your face has been eaten, subby.
 
2018-01-02 02:20:22 PM  

Slives: "Their 401(k)s are 40 percent higher since November of last year."

I was going to make a snarky comment about this but it turns out that Iowa has one of the highest participation rates for 401k funds...
So good for them....


What happens to a 401k if a recession like the bush, or depression like '29? I don't have a 401k so I really don't know.
 
2018-01-02 02:21:11 PM  

Rapmaster2000: KiwDaWabbit: Beginning in 1988, Iowa voted Democratic in Presidential elections with two exceptions: 2004 and 2016. Those two exceptions just happen to be the biggest "what the f*cks" ever.

2004 made perfect sense.  There was a war and people liked to say "you can't change horses midstream" like it was an ironclad truth of horsemanship and so we have to re-elect GW Bush to finish his well-planned our war.  99% of people don't know jack about horses, but like all old timey sayings, it gets a lot of traction.

If Trump plans out a war in 2019 and the election is scheduled before people realize too late what a terrible idea it was, then he could easily win on that.


It wasn't even that. W's victory in 2004 was because of the Dean Scream. After the DNC ran away from Dean, Kerry almost completely ignored Iowa. And he still only lost here by about a tenth of a point.

As for last year? This state, for whatever reason, just absolutely despises Hillary Clinton.
 
2018-01-02 02:23:14 PM  

Rapmaster2000: KiwDaWabbit: Beginning in 1988, Iowa voted Democratic in Presidential elections with two exceptions: 2004 and 2016. Those two exceptions just happen to be the biggest "what the f*cks" ever.

2004 made perfect sense.  There was a war and people liked to say "you can't change horses midstream" like it was an ironclad truth of horsemanship and so we have to re-elect GW Bush to finish his well-planned our war.  99% of people don't know jack about horses, but like all old timey sayings, it gets a lot of traction.

If Trump plans out a war in 2019 and the election is scheduled before people realize too late what a terrible idea it was, then he could easily win on that.


That's all true regarding 2004, but I think that, in battleground states especially, voters feel like they need to be "wooed". In general, Democratic Presidential candidates don't really have to campaign strongly in Massachusetts. In general, Republican Presidential candidates don't really have to campaign strongly in Alabama. I think that, in states where it behooves both candidates to campaign strongly, voters have much more of a "what can you do for me?" attitude. This is exacerbated by the Iowa caucus' placement in primary season. Candidates were dropping by the State Fair in 2015 (including Captain Dipsh*t in his gawdy helicopter) to kiss up to voters. If voters feel like a candidate is not sufficiently courting their vote, there's a real danger they might not vote or vote for the candidate who tried harder. It's stupid, but it's also how quite a few people think.
 
2018-01-02 02:26:49 PM  
FTFA:
"If the economy's good, I don't know if a lot of voters' analysis is going to go beyond that," he said.

So, that guy is basically saying the voters are stupid.
 
2018-01-02 02:31:18 PM  

geek_mars: FTFA:
"If the economy's good, I don't know if a lot of voters' analysis is going to go beyond that," he said.

So, that guy is basically saying the voters are stupid.


Um, hello? Look at what the fark got elected.
 
2018-01-02 02:32:36 PM  

clkeagle: As for last year? This state, for whatever reason, just absolutely despises Hillary Clinton.


*chuckling Sovietly*
 
2018-01-02 02:43:32 PM  

cmb53208: factoryconnection: I'll hold off on my reevaluation of Iowan's gullibility (and that of PA, MI, OH, WI, and several other states) until November.  Something tells me that there won't be a seismic shift in my conclusion.

Wisconsinite here: in some cases it was gullibility and a judgement error on the part of the Trump voter.

But in other cases? Many parts of this state sadly are more bigoted than any parts of the Carolinas I dealt with. ( I grew up in South Carolina) Others honestly believe his populist bullshiat about his ability to bring back the mythical $60,000 a year button pushing job in the paper mill that closed 15 years ago. Others like the idea that It's all the fault of the Mexicans, who just happen to be our 3rd largest trading partner


The amount of applause and traction that "build a wall!" got in the upper Midwest, thousands of miles from the border, tells you everything you need to know about who's getting blamed for off-shoring, automation, and industrial obsolescence.  I get it: it hurts to see your town and identity erode away by a marching economic and technological shift.

clkeagle: It wasn't even that. W's victory in 2004 was because of the Dean Scream. After the DNC ran away from Dean, Kerry almost completely ignored Iowa. And he still only lost here by about a tenth of a point.


That is heartbreaking to think about every time it comes up.  Howard Dean lost an election because he got excited one time.  Donald Trump yelled the most outlandish, racist, jingoist, ill-informed garbage every day for months and all it did was add to his numbers.
 
2018-01-02 02:45:20 PM  

factoryconnection: Howard Dean lost an election because he got excited one time.


Why does everyone point to the Dean Scream as a consequence of anything?

He farked up and didn't get the votes for the nomination.
 
2018-01-02 02:55:32 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: Rapmaster2000: KiwDaWabbit: Beginning in 1988, Iowa voted Democratic in Presidential elections with two exceptions: 2004 and 2016. Those two exceptions just happen to be the biggest "what the f*cks" ever.

2004 made perfect sense.  There was a war and people liked to say "you can't change horses midstream" like it was an ironclad truth of horsemanship and so we have to re-elect GW Bush to finish his well-planned our war.  99% of people don't know jack about horses, but like all old timey sayings, it gets a lot of traction.

If Trump plans out a war in 2019 and the election is scheduled before people realize too late what a terrible idea it was, then he could easily win on that.

That's all true regarding 2004, but I think that, in battleground states especially, voters feel like they need to be "wooed". In general, Democratic Presidential candidates don't really have to campaign strongly in Massachusetts. In general, Republican Presidential candidates don't really have to campaign strongly in Alabama. I think that, in states where it behooves both candidates to campaign strongly, voters have much more of a "what can you do for me?" attitude. This is exacerbated by the Iowa caucus' placement in primary season. Candidates were dropping by the State Fair in 2015 (including Captain Dipsh*t in his gawdy helicopter) to kiss up to voters. If voters feel like a candidate is not sufficiently courting their vote, there's a real danger they might not vote or vote for the candidate who tried harder. It's stupid, but it's also how quite a few people think.


Yeah, unfortunately that's the way the EC works. Living in a state which may be a swing state in the near future (Georgia), you get pols coming out the woodwork come primary season and during the campaigns. Not so much in the surrounding non FL states (TN, AL, or SC) as their votes would go Republican even if Trump shiat on a Confederate flag.
 
2018-01-02 02:57:41 PM  

JAGChem82: KiwDaWabbit: Rapmaster2000: KiwDaWabbit: Beginning in 1988, Iowa voted Democratic in Presidential elections with two exceptions: 2004 and 2016. Those two exceptions just happen to be the biggest "what the f*cks" ever.

2004 made perfect sense.  There was a war and people liked to say "you can't change horses midstream" like it was an ironclad truth of horsemanship and so we have to re-elect GW Bush to finish his well-planned our war.  99% of people don't know jack about horses, but like all old timey sayings, it gets a lot of traction.

If Trump plans out a war in 2019 and the election is scheduled before people realize too late what a terrible idea it was, then he could easily win on that.

That's all true regarding 2004, but I think that, in battleground states especially, voters feel like they need to be "wooed". In general, Democratic Presidential candidates don't really have to campaign strongly in Massachusetts. In general, Republican Presidential candidates don't really have to campaign strongly in Alabama. I think that, in states where it behooves both candidates to campaign strongly, voters have much more of a "what can you do for me?" attitude. This is exacerbated by the Iowa caucus' placement in primary season. Candidates were dropping by the State Fair in 2015 (including Captain Dipsh*t in his gawdy helicopter) to kiss up to voters. If voters feel like a candidate is not sufficiently courting their vote, there's a real danger they might not vote or vote for the candidate who tried harder. It's stupid, but it's also how quite a few people think.

Yeah, unfortunately that's the way the EC works. Living in a state which may be a swing state in the near future (Georgia), you get pols coming out the woodwork come primary season and during the campaigns. Not so much in the surrounding non FL states (TN, AL, or SC) as their votes would go Republican even if Trump shiat on a Confederate flag.


Which he would totally do within ten seconds of learning that Obama didn't sh*t on a Confederate flag. Hmm...I'm getting an idea.
 
2018-01-02 02:59:05 PM  
So what you're saying is, Iowa is only 1 year behind what most of us that didn't listen to facebook or fox news already knew.

Nice work, Iowa.

At least you're not Indiana, right?
 
2018-01-02 03:02:13 PM  
I was in Iowa for Thanksgiving with in-laws.  There was a good amount of pissed-offedness among everyone about how Trump's jerking around on NAFTA was hurting current corn & soybean prices and looked like it would significantly reducing the markets for both long term.

It's not like he didn't @&#% tell them that's what he was going to do though, so I couldn't muster up much sympathy.
 
2018-01-02 03:05:33 PM  

Generation_D: So what you're saying is, Iowa is only 1 year behind what most of us that didn't listen to facebook or fox news already knew.

Nice work, Iowa.

At least you're not Indiana, right?


I went to West Lafayette once. The Purdue fans were awful people.
 
2018-01-02 03:11:18 PM  
FTFA: ...and 61 percent said they were turned off by politics altogether.

To translate: "we had our hissy fit and voted this absolute POS into office, and now that we're in a position to get called out on it, don't want to play in the game anymore."
 
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