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2018-01-02 08:54:02 AM  
Stop making crap.

Problem solved.
 
2018-01-02 08:59:48 AM  

gar1013: Stop making crap.

Problem solved.


It's not just the quality of the movies but the entire movie going experience that's becoming an issue.  They're adding amenities like reclining seats and expanded food options and even beer, but everything is overpriced and it's just easier and cheaper to wait for something to come out on DVD or stream it from home.
 
2018-01-02 09:20:15 AM  
I liked Three Billboards.
 
2018-01-02 09:24:44 AM  
I love going to the movies and it's never been better. When I think back to the experience when I was 15 compared to now, it's amazing how much better it is. I get reclining leather seats that are better than my living room and I can pick the seats out in advance. I used to go like an hour early to get the best seats, now I can leave at showtime and be in my seat before the previews are over.   I can't wait until my kids are old enough to just leave at home so my wife can see whatever we want without having to get someone to watch them.

Another underrated plus: Those Coke machines where you choose your drink mix.
 
2018-01-02 09:34:06 AM  

gar1013: Stop making crap.

Problem solved.


Because if there's anyone who has good taste, it's the masses.

I mean, to be fair, they DID buy BioShock Infinite, which was the most amazing movie of our times, because of Elizabeth.  But I think it was a bit of a fluke that she won over America with her charming looks and beautiful flowing brown hair.

Lucky for me, Elizabeth wants to be with me forever.  Well yes, Elizabeth, I'm here.  Here to be yours truly.
 
2018-01-02 09:42:52 AM  
I saw the latest installment of the Star Wars Trillionogy. It was the first movie I'd seen in a theater for, well, ages.  You better believe I spent a small fortune on popcorn.  The theater was equipped with those Lazy Boy-style seats.  SPOILER ALERT: I only learned afterward that I could have put my seat in a reclining position.

Junior went to her first movie too, she saw Ferdinand.  I was begging her for spoilers but she was reticent.
 
2018-01-02 09:46:03 AM  

gar1013: Stop making crap.


Unfortunately, Hollywood serves a worldwide market now, not one superdominated by US attendance. That favors dumb spectacle that globalizes easily over intelligent theater: "shiat goes boom real good" is pretty much the same in any language.

Also, decision making in Hollywood is still largely dominated by people who think that the primary target market for movies is still teenage boys (plus the occasional Rom-Com). It's no coincidence that some of the most thoughtful movies in recent years have come from Pixar, which is not constrained by that delusion
 
2018-01-02 09:50:18 AM  

brap: I saw the latest installment of the Star Wars Trillionogy. It was the first movie I'd seen in a theater for, well, ages.  You better believe I spent a small fortune on popcorn.  The theater was equipped with those Lazy Boy-style seats.  SPOILER ALERT: I only learned afterward that I could have put my seat in a reclining position.

Junior went to her first movie too, she saw Ferdinand.  I was begging her for spoilers but she was reticent.


I went Christmas day for first showing. Giant popcorn was and water was 4.   I could get a beer for 4 bucks but was too early and wifey would have given me a dirty look. The movie was  TOO DAMN LOUD.  Not going back any time soon.
 
2018-01-02 09:51:56 AM  
popcorn was 9 btw.
 
2018-01-02 09:54:26 AM  

czetie: Also, decision making in Hollywood is still largely dominated by people who think that the primary target market for movies is still teenage boys (plus the occasional Rom-Com). It's no coincidence that some of the most thoughtful movies in recent years have come from Pixar, which is not constrained by that delusion


Pixar shoots for pre-teen girls, since they became a division of Disney.

What will be interesting is to see how long Marvel holds out away from that audience, because the mother ship drags all things into Princessville eventually.
 
2018-01-02 09:56:47 AM  
I actually like the theatre as a place to watch movies it is the people I hate. What first put me off going were idiots with laser pointers. Then people talking on cellphones, now it is people texting and Facebooking with the giant glowing smartphone screens. Start actually kicking these assholes out and I might come back.

Don't get me wrong the steps they have taken to make going to the movies more comfortable is amazing but all the beer and comfy chairs in the world can't make up for people talking and texting and laser pointering through a movie.
 
2018-01-02 10:00:00 AM  
unforgiven [1992] was my last movie. no i don't pirate the latest movies and the few movies i download are 50 plus year old movies that are in the public domain i think. i'm old and happy watching green acres, beverly hillbillies, gilligans island, i love lucy over and over. i guess i have matlock syndrome.
 
2018-01-02 10:04:27 AM  
Theaters can keep offering reclining chairs, beer and premium food service all they want, none of it beats sitting in the comfort of my own living room, where the temperature, volume and seating is exactly how I like it. I don't have to sit through coming feature trailers, I can pause the movie when I need to take a piss or refill my drink and I don't have to put up with annoying people.

As home television and sound systems continue to get better and cheaper, movie attendance will continue to go down. It wont be long before movie theaters are nothing more than an entry on one of those "You know your getting old if you remember these" lists.
 
2018-01-02 10:04:31 AM  

RTOGUY: I actually like the theatre as a place to watch movies it is the people I hate. What first put me off going were idiots with laser pointers. Then people talking on cellphones, now it is people texting and Facebooking with the giant glowing smartphone screens. Start actually kicking these assholes out and I might come back.

Don't get me wrong the steps they have taken to make going to the movies more comfortable is amazing but all the beer and comfy chairs in the world can't make up for people talking and texting and laser pointering through a movie.


Agreed about texting, but laser pointers? I don't think I've ever seen someone with a laser pointer in a theater... who carries a laser pointer around?
 
2018-01-02 10:13:44 AM  
I'm going to see Star Wars VIII in one of those dine-in movies with a heated reclining seat, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2018-01-02 10:16:16 AM  

Ambivalence: gar1013: Stop making crap.

Problem solved.

It's not just the quality of the movies but the entire movie going experience that's becoming an issue.  They're adding amenities like reclining seats and expanded food options and even beer, but everything is overpriced and it's just easier and cheaper to wait for something to come out on DVD or stream it from home.


Not only that, but how many seats did they remove to add those reclining seats?  The theater close to my house was already built, you couldn't cross your legs or stretch them out without kicking the seat in front of you, and the only elbow room you had was that thin plastic armrest with a cupholder on the end.  Now you have a supersized recliner, you can walk in front of people without stepping on their feet, and you have an armrest that is decent.  The theater is the same size.  So how many seats did they lose for these increased amenities?  Could that be why fewer people are attending movies?  Not as many seats in the theater?

I like Alamo Drafthouse, because that was what I expected with them.  Sometimes I just wanted to go to a regular theater for a matinee.
 
2018-01-02 10:17:29 AM  

ReapTheChaos: As home television and sound systems continue to get better and cheaper, movie attendance will continue to go down. It wont be long before movie theaters are nothing more than an entry on one of those "You know your getting old if you remember these" lists.


As long as there are teenagers there will be movie theaters, because none of them give a shiat about what kind of setup is in their parents' house unless it's an unlocked liquor cabinet
 
2018-01-02 10:18:53 AM  
The reason they make so much money is that the tickets are priced astronomically.

Now, I don't know about everywhere.  But, let's just use the theater I go to, once a year, as an example...

I went to see Star Wars.  You have to buy your tickets in advance.  You can choose your seat, like it's a concert.  The cheap seats sell out instantly.  So all that's left is the 3D version, in the theater with the recliners.  Those tickets cost about $18.

So yeah, only a 3rd of the people go to the movies, but the tickets are 3x as expensive.  So they are still making money.
 
2018-01-02 10:30:28 AM  
Movie viewership going down, ticket prices going up...

OMGHRD Crap 2 Pulled in 3 Bijillion world wide.
 
2018-01-02 10:33:29 AM  

tdyak: Ambivalence: gar1013: Stop making crap.

Problem solved.

It's not just the quality of the movies but the entire movie going experience that's becoming an issue.  They're adding amenities like reclining seats and expanded food options and even beer, but everything is overpriced and it's just easier and cheaper to wait for something to come out on DVD or stream it from home.

Not only that, but how many seats did they remove to add those reclining seats?  The theater close to my house was already built, you couldn't cross your legs or stretch them out without kicking the seat in front of you, and the only elbow room you had was that thin plastic armrest with a cupholder on the end.  Now you have a supersized recliner, you can walk in front of people without stepping on their feet, and you have an armrest that is decent.  The theater is the same size.  So how many seats did they lose for these increased amenities?  Could that be why fewer people are attending movies?  Not as many seats in the theater?

I like Alamo Drafthouse, because that was what I expected with them.  Sometimes I just wanted to go to a regular theater for a matinee.


Plus, as a woman, there's no place to put your purse.  I used to put it under the seat, now it's got to sit in my lap (admittedly because my ass is huge and it doesn't fit beside me).
 
2018-01-02 10:33:39 AM  
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(I bring in the cup filled with Ice Water, so I don't have to pay for that one. They see it's a Cinemark Cup, so they don't care. Just have to buy the Popcorn if I want it).

And by the time I catch the movie (and if I go during the morning when School is in session) I'm usually the only one in the theater.

Course the MoviePass is good at just about any theater, including Alamo, The Movie Tavern, Studio Movie Grill, etc., so not usually a lot of kids in those places, especially in the morning.  Costs you more for Soda/Water & Popcorn though.
 
2018-01-02 10:35:25 AM  

durbnpoisn: The reason they make so much money is that the tickets are priced astronomically.

Now, I don't know about everywhere.  But, let's just use the theater I go to, once a year, as an example...

I went to see Star Wars.  You have to buy your tickets in advance.  You can choose your seat, like it's a concert.  The cheap seats sell out instantly.  So all that's left is the 3D version, in the theater with the recliners.  Those tickets cost about $18.

So yeah, only a 3rd of the people go to the movies, but the tickets are 3x as expensive.  So they are still making money.


Our theater has $5 Tuesdays with a free small popcorn if you have their rewards card.  That's the thing that keeps us going to the movies, honestly.
 
2018-01-02 10:47:36 AM  

ElwoodCuse: ReapTheChaos: As home television and sound systems continue to get better and cheaper, movie attendance will continue to go down. It wont be long before movie theaters are nothing more than an entry on one of those "You know your getting old if you remember these" lists.

As long as there are teenagers there will be movie theaters, because none of them give a shiat about what kind of setup is in their parents' house unless it's an unlocked liquor cabinet


As cheap as TVs are getting, you'd be hard pressed to find a teenager over 16 who doesn't have at least a 40" TV and game console in their bedroom.
 
2018-01-02 10:48:18 AM  

Ambivalence: gar1013: Stop making crap.

Problem solved.

It's not just the quality of the movies but the entire movie going experience that's becoming an issue.  They're adding amenities like reclining seats and expanded food options and even beer, but everything is overpriced and it's just easier and cheaper to wait for something to come out on DVD or stream it from home.


My wife and I had a day last week where the weather was crap, daycare was open, and we were both off of work so we dropped the toddler off at daycare and went to see two movies (Star Wars and Downsizing) and got lunch out in between because we had $50 in unused AMC gift cards.  2 Star Wars tickets, medium popcorn, and medium drink was nearly $50 for just one movie (at a 10AM screening!).  Add in the second movie (no snacks this time - we snuck them in from CVS) and the total for two movies in the day was over $75.

There is a reason it is the first movie we went to see in two years.  We won't even waste a babysitter evening on a movie anymore.  I'd rather pick up tickets to whatever show is at the real theater in town or catch a random concert or comedy show instead for the same price.
 
2018-01-02 10:55:30 AM  
There is one local theater I go to that gave up having ticket collectors. You just have to listen to the cashier or follow people going into the theater (as they took down the signs saying what is in which theater for obvious reasons), and bam, free movies!
/Still usually end up buying a $10 bucket of popcorn, and maybe do this once a year at most.
 
2018-01-02 10:56:48 AM  

Ambivalence: gar1013: Stop making crap.

Problem solved.

It's not just the quality of the movies but the entire movie going experience that's becoming an issue.  They're adding amenities like reclining seats and expanded food options and even beer, but everything is overpriced and it's just easier and cheaper to wait for something to come out on DVD or stream it from home.


I like the reclining seats and all that. My church has seats that are as comfy as movie theater chairs used to be...i can't wait until someone decides to throw heated recliners in a church.

Back on topic, there are so few movies worth seeing, that tickets being half priced wouldn't change the amount I go one iota.
 
2018-01-02 10:57:31 AM  

togaman2k: My wife and I had a day last week where the weather was crap, daycare was open, and we were both off of work so we dropped the toddler off at daycare and went to see two movies (Star Wars and Downsizing) and got lunch out in between because we had $50 in unused AMC gift cards.  2 Star Wars tickets, medium popcorn, and medium drink was nearly $50 for just one movie (at a 10AM screening!).  Add in the second movie (no snacks this time - we snuck them in from CVS) and the total for two movies in the day was over $75.


Wow, that's crazy. The first showing at the AMC Theater near me is $7.58. At the theater I prefer, it's $6.96.
 
2018-01-02 10:58:07 AM  

Mike_LowELL: gar1013: Stop making crap.

Problem solved.

Because if there's anyone who has good taste, it's the masses.

I mean, to be fair, they DID buy BioShock Infinite, which was the most amazing movie of our times, because of Elizabeth.  But I think it was a bit of a fluke that she won over America with her charming looks and beautiful flowing brown hair.

Lucky for me, Elizabeth wants to be with me forever.  Well yes, Elizabeth, I'm here.  Here to be yours truly.


What if I told you that it was possible to make something that was not only decent, but that people would actually go see?
 
2018-01-02 10:59:51 AM  

ReapTheChaos: ElwoodCuse: ReapTheChaos: As home television and sound systems continue to get better and cheaper, movie attendance will continue to go down. It wont be long before movie theaters are nothing more than an entry on one of those "You know your getting old if you remember these" lists.

As long as there are teenagers there will be movie theaters, because none of them give a shiat about what kind of setup is in their parents' house unless it's an unlocked liquor cabinet

As cheap as TVs are getting, you'd be hard pressed to find a teenager over 16 who doesn't have at least a 40" TV and game console in their bedroom.


Times have sure changed. When I was 16 I was not allowed to watch tv in my bedroom with a girl.
 
2018-01-02 11:00:01 AM  

JerseyTim: togaman2k: My wife and I had a day last week where the weather was crap, daycare was open, and we were both off of work so we dropped the toddler off at daycare and went to see two movies (Star Wars and Downsizing) and got lunch out in between because we had $50 in unused AMC gift cards.  2 Star Wars tickets, medium popcorn, and medium drink was nearly $50 for just one movie (at a 10AM screening!).  Add in the second movie (no snacks this time - we snuck them in from CVS) and the total for two movies in the day was over $75.

Wow, that's crazy. The first showing at the AMC Theater near me is $7.58. At the theater I prefer, it's $6.96.


Star Wars was $13/ea! It was the nicer digital display, but not even IMAX.
 
2018-01-02 11:15:00 AM  
Moviepass
 
2018-01-02 11:39:56 AM  

Space Station Wagon: Moviepass


Yep.  Just got mine last month and have used it 3 times.

Local theater pricing around me is variable.  There's an AMC Dine In theater about 10 minutes away and the pricing is same whether it's 3D or not.  I think it's $10 and change for a normal time, and $7 for an early show.  However, the Regal theaters about 15-20 minutes away is about $13 for a regular showing, and $18 for 3D.  I still don't get the heavy upcharge for 3D.  I'd say the only slightly disappointing thing about the Moviepass is not being able to use it for 3D shows.  Even though I prefer non-3D, sometimes it's the only thing available for certain movies.

Love the recliners and alcohol availability at both theaters.  Though I don't get the desire to eat a full meal there.  Seems somewhat difficult to do in the dark, not to mention distracting from the movie itself.
 
2018-01-02 11:53:31 AM  

dukeblue219: RTOGUY: I actually like the theatre as a place to watch movies it is the people I hate. What first put me off going were idiots with laser pointers. Then people talking on cellphones, now it is people texting and Facebooking with the giant glowing smartphone screens. Start actually kicking these assholes out and I might come back.

Don't get me wrong the steps they have taken to make going to the movies more comfortable is amazing but all the beer and comfy chairs in the world can't make up for people talking and texting and laser pointering through a movie.

Agreed about texting, but laser pointers? I don't think I've ever seen someone with a laser pointer in a theater... who carries a laser pointer around?


The same assholes that point them at airplanes. For a minute I was worried that I was losing my mind about the laser thing but a quick Google search found me articles ranting about them as far back as 1999. Now bored teenagers have cellphones to keep them busy during movies so I guess lasers are out of style.
 
2018-01-02 11:59:37 AM  
Moviepass.  For the price of one movie, I can see 30.

Please, I hope to hell that they stay in business...
 
2018-01-02 12:28:56 PM  

This text is now purple: Pixar shoots for pre-teen girls, since they became a division of Disney.


What are you basing that on, them featuring all of 2 female protagonists out of their last 13 films?
 
2018-01-02 12:45:51 PM  
$1.50 at Red box is about the only price point I'm willing to pay to see some of the crap Hollywood pumps out.
 
2018-01-02 12:47:16 PM  

Ambivalence: Plus, as a woman, there's no place to put your purse.  I used to put it under the seat, now it's got to sit in my lap (admittedly because my ass is huge and it doesn't fit beside me).


Same deal with a knapsack, which makes sneaking out of work early to watch a movie annoying. And, truth be told, I don't like those gigantic reclining seats. I'm not fat, so I have acres of space. Mrs Clam isn't fat so she has acres of space. But neither of us can lean against each other because of the arms. It's like watching a movie by yourself, which is fine, but not if you want to watch a movie with someone. When you recline the seat you sprain your arm trying to reach into your popcorn up on the sticky little table unless you hold the popcorn in your lap for the whole movie. The leather is always cold, and you just know that if you try to quietly sneak a fart it's gonna resonate off that seat like a kettle drum.
 
2018-01-02 01:02:09 PM  
how i watch movies

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2018-01-02 02:39:01 PM  

Fear the Clam: Same deal with a knapsack, which makes sneaking out of work early to watch a movie annoying. And, truth be told, I don't like those gigantic reclining seats. I'm not fat, so I have acres of space. Mrs Clam isn't fat so she has acres of space. But neither of us can lean against each other because of the arms. It's like watching a movie by yourself, which is fine, but not if you want to watch a movie with someone. When you recline the seat you sprain your arm trying to reach into your popcorn up on the sticky little table unless you hold the popcorn in your lap for the whole movie. The leather is always cold, and you just know that if you try to quietly sneak a fart it's gonna resonate off that seat like a kettle drum.


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2018-01-02 03:03:47 PM  
Where's the guy who lives near the mythical theater with massaging chairs, craft beer, miss USA runner-up servers, rotating guest chefs serving foi gras and large bouncers to kick out any that annoy him?
 
2018-01-02 04:56:57 PM  
Who would have guessed that going upscale with your luxury service was a bad idea in an era of stagnant wages?
 
2018-01-02 05:34:53 PM  
brap:   The theater was equipped with those Lazy Boy-style seats.  SPOILER ALERT: I only learned afterward that I could have put my seat in a reclining position.

I went and saw Rogue 1 after a 20 year absence from going to theaters. As I was sitting through the previews, my feet went up. Now what? How do I get my feet down? How in the h*** am I going to get my fat carcass out of this seat. I ended up asking the guy next to me. He proceeded to enlighten me with the knowledge of the magic button which was being pressed by my thigh.
 
2018-01-02 10:46:08 PM  

gar1013: Stop making crap.

Problem solved.


Nah. It's the terrants.  People are stealing.
The only solution is to require every citizen to buy at least 3 movie tickets a year and add the tub o popcorn fee.
 
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