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2018-01-01 11:49:40 AM  
Carfax
 
2018-01-01 11:53:55 AM  
Thank God.  He wasn't a terrible actor.  There were a few episodes I enjoyed.  But I feel like he took the cranky old doctor too far.  I hope they take his advice from the end of the Christmas special and focus on being kinder.  Looking forward to the new Doctor.
 
2018-01-01 11:54:37 AM  
It's OK, Idris has it archived.
 
2018-01-01 11:57:01 AM  

mattj1984: Thank God.  He wasn't a terrible actor.  There were a few episodes I enjoyed.  But I feel like he took the cranky old doctor too far.  I hope they take his advice from the end of the Christmas special and focus on being kinder.  Looking forward to the new Doctor.


He was a bit too cranky initially, but they balanced it out well as they went along IMO.  He was a big departure from Tenant and Smith to be sure, and now we're back to a younger Doctor again, along with an entirely new show-runner, so we'll see how it goes.

I'm excited, just impatient that we have to wait almost another full year before Who comes back.
 
2018-01-01 11:59:20 AM  
Dr who was good for a brief shiny instant with Chris eccelstone. Then it was gone. Let it go. It just embarrassing now.
 
2018-01-01 12:16:42 PM  
I'll miss the sunglasses.
 
2018-01-01 12:23:53 PM  
Called it -- the TARDIS deliberately shook her out so it could reboot the "desktop."
 
2018-01-01 12:34:56 PM  

some_beer_drinker: Dr who was good for a brief shiny instant with Chris eccelstone. Then it was gone. Let it go. It just embarrassing now.


Eccleston is my least favorite of the new Doctors, but a lot of that may be because he had the shortest amount of time to spend with the character.  I think he did a good job rebooting the franchise, and I enjoy his episodes more than I do any of the 'old Who' Doctors (primarily because the low production values and old-school pacing of the old series just makes it incredibly hard to watch) but Tenant, Smith, and Capaldi were all more enjoyable IMO.

I'd rank them:

Tenant
Smith
Capaldi
Eccleston
 
2018-01-01 12:38:58 PM  
Is this the thread where we rank Doctors?  'Cause we haven't had one of those yet this year.
 
2018-01-01 12:44:18 PM  
I like the new lady Doctor.
 
2018-01-01 12:50:55 PM  

doczoidberg: I like the new lady Doctor.


I like the actor. There's not much to like or dislike about the character yet.
 
2018-01-01 12:51:54 PM  
A great actor can only do so much with a crap script and worse direction while simultaneously swimming in the cesspit that makes up the studio politics of that show.  Capaldi is only a good actor, so the fact that we got a few decent episodes out of his run at all says quite a bit in his favor.  I for one, wish him well, and thank him for his work, but I've pretty much given up on the show, and I'm someone who judges good or bad in a doctor who episode based on how it compared to "The Happiness Patrol."
 
2018-01-01 12:55:11 PM  
So do I. NSFW
 
2018-01-01 01:09:34 PM  

doczoidberg: I like the new lady Doctor.


Now officially half the cast of Broadchurch has played The Doctor.
 
2018-01-01 01:32:53 PM  
I'm kinda hoping for a design similar to the wood-paneled version from '73 or so.
 
2018-01-01 01:55:41 PM  
They've also released photos of the new Tardis interior.
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2018-01-01 02:14:31 PM  

jaytkay: They've also released photos of the new Tardis interior.
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Why, are you afraid of cooties or something? Jees.
 
2018-01-01 02:16:37 PM  

jaytkay: They've also released photos of the new Tardis interior.
[img.fark.net image 640x631]


Well, that's not sexist or anything.
 
2018-01-01 02:35:50 PM  

kermit the forg: jaytkay: They've also released photos of the new Tardis interior.
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Well, that's not sexist or anything.


Maybe you're the one who assumed it was a girl's room.
DID YOU THINK OF THAT?
 
2018-01-01 02:41:05 PM  
Doctor Who has defeated the Daleks and the Cyberman, she should have little trouble with the misogynists.
 
2018-01-01 02:44:33 PM  

jaytkay: They've also released photos of the new Tardis interior.
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You forget the tampon dispenser?
 
2018-01-01 02:52:12 PM  

Memoryalpha: but I've pretty much given up on the show, and I'm someone who judges good or bad in a doctor who episode based on how it compared to "The Happiness Patrol."


I'll say this: I'm glad that this is a complete changeover. New Doctor, new Companions, new creative team. It's well past time.
 
2018-01-01 02:57:06 PM  

t3knomanser: Memoryalpha: but I've pretty much given up on the show, and I'm someone who judges good or bad in a doctor who episode based on how it compared to "The Happiness Patrol."

I'll say this: I'm glad that this is a complete changeover. New Doctor, new Companions, new creative team. It's well past time.


Until season 2 of Madame Doctor, when they bring Clara and Missy back again...
 
2018-01-01 03:07:21 PM  

Techhell: Until season 2 of Madame Doctor, when they bring Clara and Missy back again...


I don't think Chibnall has any interest in bringing back Clara- why bother? Jenna Coleman isn't starving for work. I predict that they'll bring back Daleks and Cybermen, and in a few seasons, some incarnation of the Master. Beyond that, I think it's largely a clean slate.
 
2018-01-01 03:17:07 PM  
I just wish Capaldi had gone out doing a full Malcom Tucker.
Malcolm Tucker's Best Insults
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2018-01-01 03:18:23 PM  

t3knomanser: Techhell: Until season 2 of Madame Doctor, when they bring Clara and Missy back again...

I don't think Chibnall has any interest in bringing back Clara- why bother? Jenna Coleman isn't starving for work. I predict that they'll bring back Daleks and Cybermen, and in a few seasons, some incarnation of the Master. Beyond that, I think it's largely a clean slate.


I suspect they'll also bring back River for an episode or two. The temptation for that interplay will be too great to resist.
 
2018-01-01 03:22:06 PM  

Beaver1224: I suspect they'll also bring back River for an episode or two. The temptation for that interplay will be too great to resist.


Again, I don't think anybody likes River nearly half as much as Moffat does. If they're going that route, I predict a Romana.
 
2018-01-01 03:22:14 PM  
Really subby? Because I woke up this morning to a news report that a homeless person was found frozen to death on the porch of a house in my city. That was pretty goddamn sad to see.

But you be the judge.
 
2018-01-01 03:23:59 PM  
Missy was perhaps my favorite thing from the Capaldi run.
 
2018-01-01 03:37:51 PM  
Capaldi could have been the greatest Doctor since Tom Baker.
Unfortunately he was given scripts worse than the ones given to Colin Baker.
His whole era was just one huge wasted opportunity.
 
2018-01-01 03:51:18 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: some_beer_drinker: Dr who was good for a brief shiny instant with Chris eccelstone. Then it was gone. Let it go. It just embarrassing now.

Eccleston is my least favorite of the new Doctors, but a lot of that may be because he had the shortest amount of time to spend with the character.  I think he did a good job rebooting the franchise, and I enjoy his episodes more than I do any of the 'old Who' Doctors (primarily because the low production values and old-school pacing of the old series just makes it incredibly hard to watch) but Tenant, Smith, and Capaldi were all more enjoyable IMO.

I'd rank them:

Tenant
Smith
Capaldi
Eccleston


he's my top favorite. and I only know the new doctors. I saw the Doctor Dances as my first episode. Then watched that season. Then two more I think and was caught up. But haven't watched hardly any of the last season. Not sure I want to.
 
2018-01-01 03:52:27 PM  

t3knomanser: new creative team


This is what I'm more excited about than anything. Capaldi is FAR AND AWAY my favorite Doctor, but he has the far fewest number of "favorite episodes" of mine during his run. Best Doctor, weakest seasons OF the Doctor. Capaldi him self was glorious, and captured the Doctor in a way that I think should be harkened back to more often going forward; an alien that thinks differently, has little patience with certain parts of humanity, absolutely adores the rest, and loves being clever and having an audience. I don't know, almost every line of every episode spoken by him works for me on its surface.

But man, Moffett was done three seasons ago. He spent everything he had during Smith's run, and it wasn't always the best to begin with. I'd have given ANYTHING to see Capaldi under the steerage of a new captain, and will always be pretty pissed Moffett didn't bow out after the first two seasons, once he had finally finished wanking to Clara. And I liked Bill's actress a lot, too, she's actually pretty damn good, that season could have been fantastic with some new blood. I will always regret not getting to see Capaldi perform the Doctor under someone that wasn't laboring under the delusion that he was the one that came up with Doctor Who to begin with, and that everything was his and he was the best show runner in all the land.

I'm really, really sad about that. But regardless of who the new Doctor is, I'm just excited to see if someone can doing something with Doctor Who that's at least a little bit fresh and interesting. I love the actress and I'm absolutely down with a female Doctor, my only hesitation comes from the fear that they'll spend too much time on that fact and kind of water down the concept that she's a new person, not just a woman. But apart from that, I'm not saying I have a tremendous amount of hope, but I'm super interested.
 
2018-01-01 03:53:14 PM  

jmr61: Really subby? Because I woke up this morning to a news report that a homeless person was found frozen to death on the porch of a house in my city. That was pretty goddamn sad to see.

But you be the judge.


Sounds like a city I know. Population in the thousands, and not one warming center, and temps average below freezing. There is NO PUBLIC LIBRARY. Now why would a city that large not have one? For the same reason they have a problem in the region with someone who finds homeless tents with no one in them and slashes them and trashes their stuff. For the same reason they put those damn armrests on park benches so people can't lay down on them.

farking cruelty. callousness. evil.
 
2018-01-01 03:56:42 PM  

DrowningLessons: t3knomanser: new creative team

This is what I'm more excited about than anything. Capaldi is FAR AND AWAY my favorite Doctor, but he has the far fewest number of "favorite episodes" of mine during his run. Best Doctor, weakest seasons OF the Doctor. Capaldi him self was glorious, and captured the Doctor in a way that I think should be harkened back to more often going forward; an alien that thinks differently, has little patience with certain parts of humanity, absolutely adores the rest, and loves being clever and having an audience. I don't know, almost every line of every episode spoken by him works for me on its surface.

But man, Moffett was done three seasons ago. He spent everything he had during Smith's run, and it wasn't always the best to begin with. I'd have given ANYTHING to see Capaldi under the steerage of a new captain, and will always be pretty pissed Moffett didn't bow out after the first two seasons, once he had finally finished wanking to Clara. And I liked Bill's actress a lot, too, she's actually pretty damn good, that season could have been fantastic with some new blood. I will always regret not getting to see Capaldi perform the Doctor under someone that wasn't laboring under the delusion that he was the one that came up with Doctor Who to begin with, and that everything was his and he was the best show runner in all the land.

I'm really, really sad about that. But regardless of who the new Doctor is, I'm just excited to see if someone can doing something with Doctor Who that's at least a little bit fresh and interesting. I love the actress and I'm absolutely down with a female Doctor, my only hesitation comes from the fear that they'll spend too much time on that fact and kind of water down the concept that she's a new person, not just a woman. But apart from that, I'm not saying I have a tremendous amount of hope, but I'm super interested.


I agree with your assessment of Capaldi. The few episodes I saw, and from what I have read from others of the rest of them..his was just wasted talent with a scriptwriter who should have bowed out a while back.

I don't want to know that Clara gets abandoned and killed. I am looking forward to a female doctor. I just hope they don't make her too badass to "compensate" or anything, you know? I think it would be interesting to see what an alien female perspective of views of the human race and what the choice of companion will be will be worth watching. I just hope it doesn't get too depressing. Too many writers these days just go for the "dark" or "edgy" story instead of trying to find what the story actually is. ..instead of listening to the muses, they take the easy way out.
 
2018-01-01 04:17:39 PM  

some_beer_drinker: Dr who was good for a brief shiny instant with Chris eccelstone. Then it was gone. Let it go. It just embarrassing now.


Oooh, look at the guy who's contrary just to be contrary.
 
2018-01-01 04:23:34 PM  

Kirablue42: I agree with your assessment of Capaldi. The few episodes I saw, and from what I have read from others of the rest of them..his was just wasted talent with a scriptwriter who should have bowed out a while back.

I don't want to know that Clara gets abandoned and killed. I am looking forward to a female doctor. I just hope they don't make her too badass to "compensate" or anything, you know? I think it would be interesting to see what an alien female perspective of views of the human race and what the choice of companion will be will be worth watching. I just hope it doesn't get too depressing. Too many writers these days just go for the "dark" or "edgy" story instead of trying to find what the story actually is. ..instead of listening to the muses, they take the easy way out.


If you don't care to invest in the entirety of his run, you should just google youtube clips of the Twelfth Doctor's speeches or moments, because he really is quite extraordinary. He ... you know, in a way, he is exactly what a Doctor should be like after a midlife crisis. Because 9, 10, 11, all got progressively younger, as if he was trying to escape his older self, and 11 was practically a baby. The best episode probably of Moffett's run was the Day of the Doctor, which sort of resolves the midlife crisis, and next up is Capaldi. And he's clever, witty, charming in an old man way, kind but not nice (which I think the actor, at least, got right from the beginning), and very much like the antediluvian Doctors before the reboot. 

Personally, I'm more afraid of the perception of too badass as compensation, like as an accusation by those mad about the vagina, because honestly, it's hard to get much more badass than the Doctor already is ... unless they make her like a combat or martial arts expert, and then we'll know the show is off the rails regardless of gender.

I agree with you on the dark/edgy/gritty front. One thing I like about Doctor Who is that it can be serious, depressing, awful and unbearable in certain ways, but it always stayed goofy. There was a bit of a look in Capaldi's Who run that seemed a little gritty, but rarely did it actually stray into that territory. But that's the current trend for all intellectual properties these days, it seems. Honestly, and this might be wishful thinking, but I'm hopeful that the antidote to that poison is a female doctor, because it'll be a breath of fresh air. A chance to go a little lighter, a little more comedic, a little more whimsical, maybe. I feel like an open possibility for interpretation is that the darkness that the Doctor suffered during the Time War is finally over. I really hope they go with a "clean slate" approach to the whole thing, and don't retread on stories or races until they've established their new paradigm for a good long while.

Wouldn't it be nice for an entire season without the Daleks, Cybermen, et al?

In terms of the female perspective thing, you could take it in a female-alien direction, or honestly, you could just feminize the Doctor's personality slightly and have everyone else treat her differently, which constantly annoys and confuses her, because really? That's why I'm being treated different? That'd be what I would love to see, a Doctor that's definitely a woman, but that's not a big deal to the Doctor, if anything it's just kind of interesting, and where the "social commentary" that'll inevitably follow from this transition will come externally, from others in the universe getting it wrong about what the new gender means, and giving the Doctor room to mock and poke holes in those mindsets. One can hope, anyway.
 
2018-01-01 04:24:16 PM  
Also, can someone tell me why Fark suddenly has a non-standard font and all the italics are also bolded? It really sucks, is it just me?
 
2018-01-01 04:25:04 PM  
First of all, I don't find this sad at all.  Peter Capaldi has a great run as The Doctor, he was able to go out on a high, and he has now moved on, which is pretty much what the show is all about.

Secondly, this onslaught in every single farkin' Doctor Who thread of how terrible/horrible/Steven Moffat and/or Peter Capaldis was as showrunner and the Doctor respectively has gotten waaaay beyond tiresome.  Capaldis had some great episodes as the Doctor:  Time Heist, Flatline, The Girl Who Died, The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion (The speech at the end was incredible) and Heaven Sent (One of the best episodes ever).

Steven Moffat did an excellent job as show runner and writer as did Russel T. Davies before him.  Were there crappy episodes?  Of course there were.  Did some of the writing get redundant?  Yep.  Every long-running tv show has crappy, episodes and redundant writing - nature of the beast.   Doctor Who is still one of the best tv shows ever and I really look forward to seeing Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor.

And at the risk of feeding the trolls, it must be asked for the zillionth time:  If you don't like the show, then why are you still watching it?  And if you're no longer watching it, then why are you posting in this thread?
 
2018-01-01 04:37:20 PM  

t3knomanser: Beaver1224: I suspect they'll also bring back River for an episode or two. The temptation for that interplay will be too great to resist.

Again, I don't think anybody likes River nearly half as much as Moffat does. If they're going that route, I predict a Romana.


 adore River. Possible more than Moffat does.
 
2018-01-01 04:37:24 PM  
I think there's going to be a terrible temptation on the part of the producers to do Cybermen and Daleks and Zygons (oh my) straight away because they want to temper the shocking newness of a new Doctor and  a new gender with something familiar to the fan base.  But I'd prefer to see some brand new villains created during this new era.  Maybe take a break from Earth-centric stories for a while too.
 
2018-01-01 04:42:41 PM  

Any Pie Left: I think there's going to be a terrible temptation on the part of the producers to do Cybermen and Daleks and Zygons (oh my) straight away because they want to temper the shocking newness of a new Doctor and  a new gender with something familiar to the fan base.  But I'd prefer to see some brand new villains created during this new era.  Maybe take a break from Earth-centric stories for a while too.


We need more Sontarans.  Psychotic warrior potato people who are vastly underutilized in the Whoniverse.  That'd be great.
 
2018-01-01 04:54:19 PM  

WilderKWight: I adore River. Possible more than Moffat does.


I really, really don't think that's possible. I'm like 90% certain he sleeps with a body pillow of Alex Kingston.
 
2018-01-01 05:05:34 PM  

t3knomanser: WilderKWight: I adore River. Possible more than Moffat does.

I really, really don't think that's possible. I'm like 90% certain he sleeps with a body pillow of Alex Kingston


Hell I would too if I had one...
 
2018-01-01 05:12:03 PM  

t3knomanser: Again, I don't think anybody likes River nearly half as much as Moffat does.


I do!
 
2018-01-01 05:22:50 PM  

t3knomanser: Beaver1224: I suspect they'll also bring back River for an episode or two. The temptation for that interplay will be too great to resist.

Again, I don't think anybody likes River nearly half as much as Moffat does. If they're going that route, I predict a Romana.


The twist is, Romana is now male....

/Roman?
 
2018-01-01 05:26:37 PM  
On the look of the Tardis I want a futuristic looking interior. I get why they did the one that looked like it was made from bits from a junkyard and one that looked rusty and old etc and I know "futuristic" looking sets date quickly (look at how dates the set of Star Trek TOS looks now) but I still want a modern, shiny, clean looking control room. The original white set, with the round things on the walls, but modern.
 
2018-01-01 05:30:55 PM  

some_beer_drinker: Dr who was good for a brief shiny instant with Chris eccelstone. Then it was gone. Let it go. It just embarrassing now.


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2018-01-01 05:33:40 PM  
Davis and Moffat really started out fresh, but grew very moldy very quickly. Watching Capaldi take a backseat when Moffat turned things into The Clara Show (and sometimes dr who, lowercase) was BEYOND frustrating.

Clara was overrated, badly written, and completely hijacked the entire premise of the show. As someone said above, it was beyond tiresome watching Moffat find yet another way to wank off with Clara while we all just hung in there and waited for things to come back. 

And it did. We got a bare handful of pure Who episodes where Capaldi absolutely shone. They finally got the recipe right with Capaldi, Bill and Nardole. 

But that's the problem when you've got a beloved franchise. That word, right there. Franchise. The original people who helped make Who great are long gone. It's like handing a consumed candy wrapper to a complete stranger and saying, 'OK. Make this." People tell you how it tasted, and what they enjoyed, but in the end what you end up with is a completely different imagining. Sometimes it's agreeable, but then you find there's raisins. 

Moffat often raisin-ed up Who. With Clara, he exploited her with the older fanbase (I'm forever sick of hearing about Clara's knockers) and through her, dropped a huge turd in the Who punchbowl. 

I'm glad he's gone. I'm hopeful about the future, but I suspect we're going to get Chibnall's version of the movie 'Speed'.
 
2018-01-01 05:56:25 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt:  The original white set, with the round things on the walls, but modern.


"Hey look, the round things!
Love the round things.
What *are* the round things?
No idea...."
 
2018-01-01 05:57:27 PM  

t3knomanser: Techhell: Until season 2 of Madame Doctor, when they bring Clara and Missy back again...

I don't think Chibnall has any interest in bringing back Clara- why bother? Jenna Coleman isn't starving for work. I predict that they'll bring back Daleks and Cybermen, and in a few seasons, some incarnation of the Master. Beyond that, I think it's largely a clean slate.


Bringing back the Daleks is a given.  The show is contractually obligated to have at least one appearance of them every season, or they lose the rights.  I'd still love to see more classic series Cybermen, but that's me.  Don't really care for the new Series "Delete" dudes.
 
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