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2018-01-01 12:04:27 AM  
Headline says spoiler alert.


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2018-01-01 03:17:29 AM  
I'm not sure I would consider Metalhead to be the best episode. I think subby was just being sarcastic here.

To me, an argument could be made for Arkangel, Hang the DJ, or my favorite of this season, USS Callister.

/San Junipero still the best episode of the series
 
2018-01-01 04:01:28 AM  
King of Space...
 
2018-01-01 04:08:04 AM  
I wasn't sure how I felt about this episode, but I did watch it twice and I looked it up on imdb- I looked at some of the bad reviews and I was like yeah these people are idiots. So, while it's not immediately gratifying like a lot of Black Mirror episodes, it was definitely good.

The real stinker was Black Museum, IMO.
 
2018-01-01 04:36:40 AM  

FDR Jones: I wasn't sure how I felt about this episode, but I did watch it twice and I looked it up on imdb- I looked at some of the bad reviews and I was like yeah these people are idiots. So, while it's not immediately gratifying like a lot of Black Mirror episodes, it was definitely good.

The real stinker was Black Museum, IMO.


I liked Black Museum. It ties some of the stories together and it's a pretty horrifying look at how technology can be subverted and abused through established power dynamics and systems, even more so than the average Black Mirror episode.
 
2018-01-01 04:38:38 AM  
My top three are

Hang The DJ. Just a stripped down and efficient romance movie. Really fantastic twist on boy meets girl, boy looses girl, boy and girl run away together formula for the genre.

Metalhead. Barebones thriller giving you just what you need to keep the plot moving. Really I could choose this or Hang The DJ as my favorite for the season.

Crocodile. This gets the Wow-That's-F'D-Up award for the season. Well done and tight.

All the rest were good but thes stand out for me.
 
2018-01-01 04:49:26 AM  
On the one hand, this was the most consistently solid season so far as there were no real stinkers in the batch. Every episode was entertaining from start to finish.

On the other hand, this was the most disappointing season as there were no new ideas introduced. It just took ideas that were introduced in other episodes and told new stories around those.

And I think Charlie Brooker owes some royalties to Karl Pilkington for Black Museum for this plot and this plot.

The Ricky Gervais Show Season 2 Episode 01 Clive Warren
Youtube wVMZN1QzTzY
 
2018-01-01 04:59:29 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: FDR Jones: I wasn't sure how I felt about this episode, but I did watch it twice and I looked it up on imdb- I looked at some of the bad reviews and I was like yeah these people are idiots. So, while it's not immediately gratifying like a lot of Black Mirror episodes, it was definitely good.

The real stinker was Black Museum, IMO.

I liked Black Museum. It ties some of the stories together and it's a pretty horrifying look at how technology can be subverted and abused through established power dynamics and systems, even more so than the average Black Mirror episode.


I'm admittedly not thrilled by gratuitous blood, gore, and torture. I also thought the "twist" was pretty weak.
 
2018-01-01 05:08:39 AM  

Courtney Cox-Zucker: On the one hand, this was the most consistently solid season so far as there were no real stinkers in the batch. Every episode was entertaining from start to finish.

On the other hand, this was the most disappointing season as there were no new ideas introduced. It just took ideas that were introduced in other episodes and told new stories around those.

And I think Charlie Brooker owes some royalties to Karl Pilkington for Black Museum for this plot and this plot.

[YouTube video: The Ricky Gervais Show Season 2 Episode 01 Clive Warren]


I love Karl Pilkington. Rarely have I ever laughed my ass off as much as when watching An Idiot Abroad. Never heard or seen any of his other stuff.
 
2018-01-01 06:24:37 AM  
WTF happened to the comments on the interviews page?    Is this a thing now?
 
2018-01-01 07:14:27 AM  

ox45tallboy: I'm not sure I would consider Metalhead to be the best episode. I think subby was just being sarcastic here.

To me, an argument could be made for Arkangel, Hang the DJ, or my favorite of this season, USS Callister.

/San Junipero still the best episode of the series


I haven't seen all of the episodes of this season, but so far Metalhead was the episode that left me hungry for some backstory.

The robot doggies were not good boys.
 
2018-01-01 07:29:41 AM  

BullBearMS: ox45tallboy: I'm not sure I would consider Metalhead to be the best episode. I think subby was just being sarcastic here.

To me, an argument could be made for Arkangel, Hang the DJ, or my favorite of this season, USS Callister.

/San Junipero still the best episode of the series

I haven't seen all of the episodes of this season, but so far Metalhead was the episode that left me hungry for some backstory.

The robot doggies were not good boys.


I don't know why so many critics are being harsh on this season. I thought it was great. While some of the themes may have been explored in other seasons, I felt they were approached differently this season and still felt fresh and new..
 
2018-01-01 07:49:37 AM  

Courtney Cox-Zucker: On the one hand, this was the most consistently solid season so far as there were no real stinkers in the batch. Every episode was entertaining from start to finish.

On the other hand, this was the most disappointing season as there were no new ideas introduced. It just took ideas that were introduced in other episodes and told new stories around those.

And I think Charlie Brooker owes some royalties to Karl Pilkington for Black Museum for this plot and this plot.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/wVMZN1Qz​TzY]


He was credited at the end of the episode IIRC,
 
2018-01-01 07:51:19 AM  
I'm really disappointed Brooker isn't doing his yearly Wipe show this year...
 
2018-01-01 08:45:41 AM  

ox45tallboy: BullBearMS: ox45tallboy: I'm not sure I would consider Metalhead to be the best episode. I think subby was just being sarcastic here.

To me, an argument could be made for Arkangel, Hang the DJ, or my favorite of this season, USS Callister.

/San Junipero still the best episode of the series

I haven't seen all of the episodes of this season, but so far Metalhead was the episode that left me hungry for some backstory.

The robot doggies were not good boys.

I don't know why so many critics are being harsh on this season. I thought it was great. While some of the themes may have been explored in other seasons, I felt they were approached differently this season and still felt fresh and new..


I suspect that it might have something to do with the number of women in leading roles.  It wasn't something that they set out to do, but sort of realized afterwards, after everything was in the can, and looked up that they realized that they had a sort of theme running. Well, that, and not EVERY ending was bleak and terrible, and thus predictable. Critics sometimes fall into the trap of wanting to be prescient, and Hang the DJ certainly threw a monkey wrench into that. The Forbes review was particularly guilty of this.
 
2018-01-01 09:09:30 AM  
no spoilers, i read that article on the 29th right after i watched all the episodes
 
2018-01-01 11:03:44 AM  
I liked Black Museum the best, but the griefer at the end of the USS McCallister made me laugh. And the episode was sad because even though Evil Matt Damon was a shiatty person in virtual reality, at the company he helped co-found, even the receptionist treated him like shiat.

I would have fired her ass on the spot. She wouldn't let him in the office over an expired badge and had attitude. Fark her. It isn't like receptionist is a tough position to fill.
 
2018-01-01 11:05:32 AM  

skinink: I liked Black Museum the best, but the griefer at the end of the USS McCallister made me laugh. And the episode was sad because even though Evil Matt Damon was a shiatty person in virtual reality, at the company he helped co-found, even the receptionist treated him like shiat.

I would have fired her ass on the spot. She wouldn't let him in the office over an expired badge and had attitude. Fark her. It isn't like receptionist is a tough position to fill.


Er, USS Calister, I meant.
 
2018-01-01 11:08:51 AM  

skinink: I liked Black Museum the best, but the griefer at the end of the USS McCallister made me laugh. And the episode was sad because even though Evil Matt Damon was a shiatty person in virtual reality, at the company he helped co-found, even the receptionist treated him like shiat.

I would have fired her ass on the spot. She wouldn't let him in the office over an expired badge and had attitude. Fark her. It isn't like receptionist is a tough position to fill.


The situation was sorta far-fetched.  He'd most likely be a multi-millionaire.  Girls would be jumping on him if he was single.
 
2018-01-01 11:18:42 AM  

skinink: I liked Black Museum the best, but the griefer at the end of the USS McCallister made me laugh. And the episode was sad because even though Evil Matt Damon was a shiatty person in virtual reality, at the company he helped co-found, even the receptionist treated him like shiat.

I would have fired her ass on the spot. She wouldn't let him in the office over an expired badge and had attitude. Fark her. It isn't like receptionist is a tough position to fill.


I believe that she would have had a comeback for that idea...

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2018-01-01 12:51:55 PM  
I liked the one where they explore the downside of technology.

Seriously though, I have only seen the first episode of the new season and was pretty impressed. Lots of food for thought mixed in with some real belly-laughs, and a great cast. I had no idea the "Always Sunny" dude had those kind of chops. When he delivered that "Oh, my fark" line the gf and I were both doubled over with laughter.
 
2018-01-01 01:05:48 PM  
I'm trying to figure out if the characters in Hang the DJ were "cookies" of real people being run through simulations, or simulations of people being run through additional simulations.  I mean, either way they're simulations, but were they "captured" consciousnesses, which seems to be the theme this season, or made-up whole-cloth?

Or is the whole thing metaphorical and the app was just rolling random numbers?
 
2018-01-01 01:37:17 PM  

CaptainFatass: I liked the one where they explore the downside of technology.

Seriously though, I have only seen the first episode of the new season and was pretty impressed. Lots of food for thought mixed in with some real belly-laughs, and a great cast. I had no idea the "Always Sunny" dude had those kind of chops. When he delivered that "Oh, my fark" line the gf and I were both doubled over with laughter.


I guess you missed Westworld.
 
2018-01-01 01:49:36 PM  

shpritz: CaptainFatass: I liked the one where they explore the downside of technology.

Seriously though, I have only seen the first episode of the new season and was pretty impressed. Lots of food for thought mixed in with some real belly-laughs, and a great cast. I had no idea the "Always Sunny" dude had those kind of chops. When he delivered that "Oh, my fark" line the gf and I were both doubled over with laughter.

I guess you missed Westworld.


HBO? You must have me confused with a Rockefeller.
 
2018-01-01 01:49:49 PM  

CaptainFatass: I liked the one where they explore the downside of technology.


So pretty much all of them, then.
 
2018-01-01 02:50:40 PM  

skinink: but the griefer at the end of the USS McCallister made me laugh


Especially because the griefer was so clearly Aaron Paul, sitting someplace between Jesse Pinkman and Todd.
 
2018-01-01 03:51:22 PM  

skyotter: I'm trying to figure out if the characters in Hang the DJ were "cookies" of real people being run through simulations, or simulations of people being run through additional simulations.  I mean, either way they're simulations, but were they "captured" consciousnesses, which seems to be the theme this season, or made-up whole-cloth?

Or is the whole thing metaphorical and the app was just rolling random numbers?


I assumed that they had to be. Remember that the cookies can experience time extremely rapidly. Which had the dual scope of the ending - the poor cookies are being created, exist for a few years, then cease to exists solely for the purpose of providing a trustworthy rating on a dating app. But this is the same universe that your own cookie can be tortured into becoming an ideal personal assistant.
 
2018-01-01 04:32:19 PM  
I liked season four. I don't think any of the episodes were all time classics, but there weren't any stinkers either. My one complaint is that a full three out of the six episodes were about copies of consciousness, uploaded somewhere and at the complete mercy of someone else. I would have liked to see more variety.

From what I've read, people don't seem to like Crocodile or Arkangel much. I liked them both. Hang the DJ was really well done, and a nice relief from the soul-crushing. I loved Metalhead.
 
2018-01-01 05:17:30 PM  
I enjoyed the hell out of this season. Not so much as San Junipero but some great episodes, for sure.

Callister was awesome, if not heavily twisted - Great cast too. Aaron Paul's bit part was hilarious and a perfect ending.

Arkangel, I enjoyed very much, and was especially poignant given Jodie Foster's personal history.

Crocodile was... brutal, and a hilarious ending.

Hang the DJ was just sweet - It makes me wonder if our fourth episodes are going to be our warm and fuzzies of Black Mirror, going forward. I'd be okay with this.

Metalhead basically out-terminatored Terminator. Damned impressive. I am sure that a lawsuit from Ellison is forthcoming.

The Black Museum was indulgent and predictable, but it was also fun. I am okay with this.
 
2018-01-01 05:39:57 PM  

hubiestubert: ox45tallboy: BullBearMS: ox45tallboy: I'm not sure I would consider Metalhead to be the best episode. I think subby was just being sarcastic here.

To me, an argument could be made for Arkangel, Hang the DJ, or my favorite of this season, USS Callister.

/San Junipero still the best episode of the series

I haven't seen all of the episodes of this season, but so far Metalhead was the episode that left me hungry for some backstory.

The robot doggies were not good boys.

I don't know why so many critics are being harsh on this season. I thought it was great. While some of the themes may have been explored in other seasons, I felt they were approached differently this season and still felt fresh and new..

I suspect that it might have something to do with the number of women in leading roles.  It wasn't something that they set out to do, but sort of realized afterwards, after everything was in the can, and looked up that they realized that they had a sort of theme running. Well, that, and not EVERY ending was bleak and terrible, and thus predictable. Critics sometimes fall into the trap of wanting to be prescient, and Hang the DJ certainly threw a monkey wrench into that. The Forbes review was particularly guilty of this.


IMHO it's not just female leads, but strong female leads that have a story arc that everyone, even guys, can identify with. Also, Jodie Foster as a director.

One of the only non-bleak/dark endings in seasons 1-3 was San Junipero, which got a crapload of (well-deserved) acclaim. It also starred two strong female leads. Those two things made that episode such a standout, and I think Brooker tried to capitalize on that in this season. I believe he succeeded.
 
2018-01-01 05:43:28 PM  

Leishu: Crocodile was... brutal, and a hilarious ending.


I still don't understand the name. The others I get, although "Hang the DJ" didn't make sense until the final scene.
 
2018-01-01 06:48:40 PM  

ox45tallboy: I still don't understand the name. The others I get, although "Hang the DJ" didn't make sense until the final scene.


One theory I read was "crocodile tears" because Mia did a lot of crying but it didn't stop her from killing people.
 
2018-01-01 06:53:57 PM  

The Why Not Guy: My one complaint is that a full three out of the six episodes were about copies of consciousness


Eww. I've only watched USS Callister thus far, but my biggest complaint about it was how it's the same basic conceit as San Junipero and White Christmas all over again. They've done different things with each, sure, but I'd kill for more variety in the premise. I'm sad to hear that I'm not getting it.
 
2018-01-01 07:12:43 PM  

t3knomanser: The Why Not Guy: My one complaint is that a full three out of the six episodes were about copies of consciousness

Eww. I've only watched USS Callister thus far, but my biggest complaint about it was how it's the same basic conceit as San Junipero and White Christmas all over again. They've done different things with each, sure, but I'd kill for more variety in the premise. I'm sad to hear that I'm not getting it.


My biggest complaint about USS Callister is that you can't use someone's DNA to take an imprint of their mind and memories.
 
2018-01-01 07:16:18 PM  

BullBearMS: My biggest complaint about USS Callister is that you can't use someone's DNA to take an imprint of their mind and memories.


I'm gonna give that a pass, because they actually played around in interesting ways with bullshiat technobabble. He had a technobabble device that made it work (although forcing employees to turn over a cerebral scan which he then stole would have both been more plausible and more in tune with Black Mirror's usual tone).
 
2018-01-01 07:29:40 PM  

t3knomanser: BullBearMS: My biggest complaint about USS Callister is that you can't use someone's DNA to take an imprint of their mind and memories.

I'm gonna give that a pass, because they actually played around in interesting ways with bullshiat technobabble. He had a technobabble device that made it work (although forcing employees to turn over a cerebral scan which he then stole would have both been more plausible and more in tune with Black Mirror's usual tone).


Another possible explanation is that people's minds would be constantly scanned while using Infinity in order to build the game world and provide the user control. All he'd have to do is transfer the person's Infinity data to his personal Callister instance, and apply it to the character he built from the DNA. I think only the intern and the receptionist didn't work directly with the product, and they seemed the type to play it at home.
 
2018-01-01 07:30:53 PM  

The Why Not Guy: ox45tallboy: I still don't understand the name. The others I get, although "Hang the DJ" didn't make sense until the final scene.

One theory I read was "crocodile tears" because Mia did a lot of crying but it didn't stop her from killing people.


heavy.com has a few theories, including that one.

http://heavy.com/entertainment/2017/1​2​/why-black-mirror-season-4-episode-3-c​alled-crocodile/
 
2018-01-01 07:57:46 PM  

skinink: I liked Black Museum the best, but the griefer at the end of the USS McCallister made me laugh. And the episode was sad because even though Evil Matt Damon was a shiatty person in virtual reality, at the company he helped co-found, even the receptionist treated him like shiat.

I would have fired her ass on the spot. She wouldn't let him in the office over an expired badge and had attitude. Fark her. It isn't like receptionist is a tough position to fill.


I thouyght I was the only one who noticed the resemblance. I was calling him Fatt Damon.
 
2018-01-01 08:22:41 PM  

Leishu: Crocodile was... brutal, and a hilarious ending.


All I could think after the ending is if you show a hamster in act I you have to use it in act III.
 
2018-01-01 08:23:13 PM  

ox45tallboy: IMHO it's not just female leads, but strong female leads that have a story arc that everyone, even guys, can identify with. Also, Jodie Foster as a director.

One of the only non-bleak/dark endings in seasons 1-3 was San Junipero, which got a crapload of (well-deserved) acclaim. It also starred two strong female leads. Those two things made that episode such a standout, and I think Brooker tried to capitalize on that in this season. I believe he succeeded.


It's a weird time for film and TV critics. On the one hand, there are all these directors and producers whose proverbial dicks they feel they need to coddle and cuddle if they're going to get access, and then there are all these films that they can savage or dick down, and then there are all these girl-folk who keep making movies and directing, and it's a dynamic that some critics really aren't necessarily prepared for. There are the "women's show" directors and writers like Jenji Cohen or Rachel Bloom, or Tina Fey, but for science fiction it's still kind of a boy's club. Mind you, that's more for American shows, as Canuckistanis have been building up a healthy stable of shows that feature strong female leads, as well as directors and writers for shows that AREN'T supposed to be the visual equivalent of chick lit. Which is healthy. It's a good progression. Science fiction NEEDS a better female perspective. As does horror.

XX hit this year, and as a collection of shorts, it was pretty damn good. Horror has been bringing up new female writers and directors, slowly, but surely. Science fiction is still a little behind the curve, though there are a TON of shows that have a female lead--who don't really pass the Bechedel test necessarily, though Lifehacker had a nice bit on OTHER tests for films, which are maybe not so much about being stringent for perspective, but something to keep in mind for those who actually do write scripts. Or write in general. The Morales Rule for no gratuitous use of Ai Papi! or incongruous salsa dancing is a good one.

Ultimately, it would be nice if folks just wrote about stuff that interested them, and weren't looking for a niche to fill, and that we got stories from a lot of points of view that came about naturally, but then again, in TV that's easier than in Hollywood. There are just a lot MORE shows written than films--or rather, there are a LOT more shows that get written and greenlit than films. Plenty of terrible movie screenplays out there, and terrible shows, but the TV studios are having some fierce competition now, and can actually micro-analyze their audience, so being aware of what they're doing, and how folks are reacting, almost in real time as PAs mine message boards AS the show airs, it's a powerful tool for feedback for showrunners.

We're in what is a really cynical and terrible time for film and TV, and yet, has so very much potential and with some very bright gems out there, and being received well, for all the right reasons. Black Mirror is doing things right, especially for such short seasons, and given the scope of their studios and seasons.

I know that a lot of folks in the TV industry really HATE the Netflix/Engalish season structure, and a lot of shows are adopting more of that structure of 10-14 shows per season to accommodate that structure--because as actors and crew, you're getting paid less, because you're working less. Of course, you can take OTHER jobs to make up for that, but even still, it IS cutting into folks' pay. BUT it's also allowing shows to invest more in their writing and make better shows. Not the 22-24 episode marathons like in the days of Andromeda where you had filler episodes to pad out the season. The structure shifts for a lot of shows has really improved the market for the better--and it allows actors to do other projects as well. And writers too, to not get burnt out entirely just cranking things out, and showrunners who are juggling a LOT of details. And shows can get picked up and plugged into schedules easier, which improves their chances of getting to air and fans. This is a weird time for a lot of creators and writers and actors, but this slimmed down season structure, in the end, makes for shows that are tighter focused, and forced to tell better stories.
 
2018-01-01 09:48:03 PM  
Metalhead was gripping, but my favourite was Arkangel, both in story and execution.  The time jumps and the visual continuity with the neighbourhood dog were great.

The whole season was all sorts of awesome, though.  Rod Serling would be proud.
 
2018-01-01 09:52:29 PM  

floor: Leishu: Crocodile was... brutal, and a hilarious ending.

All I could think after the ending is if you show a hamster in act I you have to use it in act III.


Chekov's hamster.
 
2018-01-02 09:13:59 AM  
:( Monkey needs a hug!
 
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