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2017-12-31 12:15:35 AM  
It has great potential to be and "E" ticket ride.  TLJ wasn't worth even a "B" ticket.
 
2017-12-31 04:08:23 AM  
spoilers: science says that there's also no sound in space but that's never bothered anyone before now.

They clearly haven't been in the right internet forums.
 
2017-12-31 04:11:20 AM  
Why would Disney risk crossing the promotional streams

Because that would be Bad.

/Important safety tip. Thanks, Egon.
 
2017-12-31 04:13:31 AM  
Yeah, it's important to not piss off the fanboys. You cross them, and they'll only go to see the movie 3 times on opening weekend instead of 4.
 
2017-12-31 04:23:01 AM  
As with sports, if you're that invested in something so meaningless that you're feuding with people over it, it's time to take a step back.
 
2017-12-31 04:36:40 AM  
"That Solo: A Star Wars Story might not be destined for greatness.
That wasn't always the case, of course; when the project was announced, Solo - which, for the longest time, was referred to by some variation of the phrase "Untitled Han Solo Project," before the title was revealed in October - was greeted with great excitement by the target demographic. It boasted a cast that included Donald Glover ann... "


Bull and shiat if anything the consensus has always been that the film would never be able to do the character justice and/or would ruin it.
 
2017-12-31 04:36:59 AM  
Good luck recasting Han Solo, I'm sure everyone will be super supportive about it.
 
stk
2017-12-31 04:48:22 AM  
It has Childish Gambino as Lando. They could have just that and a static shot of a pizza being made and I'd pay full price.

/Twice, even
 
2017-12-31 06:15:06 AM  

teto85: It has great potential to be and "E" ticket ride.  TLJ wasn't worth even a "B" ticket.


They made the Dumbo merry-go-round for kids like you. :)
 
2017-12-31 06:50:37 AM  
They're mad because they were wrong about everything. So much for everyone's theories imaginations.
 
2017-12-31 06:56:37 AM  
The inherent problem with prequels is always "Oh no! Han, Chewie, Lando and Redshirt LoveInterest are sure in a jam! Gosh, I wonder if they're *all* going to make it out alive?"
 
2017-12-31 07:09:49 AM  
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This is their new Han Solo. So...no?

/this could be a trainwreck of MST3K levels
//this generation's Manos. The Hands of Fate
 
2017-12-31 07:19:45 AM  
Uniting the fans by everyone hating the film certainly sounds like a bold strategy.

Liked TLJ, understandable. Liked the prequels, forgivable. Liked the Holiday Special, either Rifftrax or drugs. Liked Solo movie, burn the heretic.
 
2017-12-31 07:21:47 AM  
In that everyone will agree that it sucks?
 
2017-12-31 07:34:30 AM  
You mean the ones who complained about Luke's actions in TLJ, but also had the theory that Snoke was actually Luke in disguise in TFA?
 
2017-12-31 07:46:47 AM  
IMHO, they should have waited to do these spin off movies until after episode IX, and then they should have put a two year gap between them.

Six months between new Star Wars movies is weird and makes them less special.
 
2017-12-31 07:51:34 AM  

stk: It has Childish Gambino as Lando. They could have just that and a static shot of a pizza being made and I'd pay full price.

/Twice, even


Yep. I'm pretty much showing up just to see him.

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2017-12-31 08:20:25 AM  
So they go and hate it or they go and love it.  Disney gets their money either way
 
2017-12-31 08:21:21 AM  
No.  It really wont.  The only good thing about last jedi was that they didn't make it into a musical.  Hell, even Hamill was disgusted with it.  Though it does look like he was threatened enough by the Disney legal team to recant his comments about the film and his role in it.
 
2017-12-31 08:36:19 AM  
Narrator: It would not.
 
2017-12-31 08:59:12 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: IMHO, they should have waited to do these spin off movies until after episode IX, and then they should have put a two year gap between them.

Six months between new Star Wars movies is weird and makes them less special.


The Marvel movies are now coming out at a rate of three per year. That hasn't diminished the experience. It's essentially a ton of spin off movies with the Avengers being the main films.

I have no problem with Star Wars following the same strategy. It's a lot better than having to wait three years to be disappointed.
 
2017-12-31 09:05:15 AM  

Memoryalpha: No.  It really wont.  The only good thing about last jedi was that they didn't make it into a musical.  Hell, even Hamill was disgusted with it.  Though it does look like he was threatened enough by the Disney legal team to recant his comments about the film and his role in it.


Seeing Last Jedi for the third time tomorrow.

/and if really follow Hammill (which it's clear you don't) you will notice he wasn't "disgusted" by it
 
2017-12-31 09:09:52 AM  

swamp_of_dumb: [img.fark.net image 425x241]
This is their new Han Solo. So...no?

/this could be a trainwreck of MST3K levels
//this generation's Manos. The Hands of Fate

Solo: The Han of Fate.


/damn you, lack of caffeine
//damn you to hell
///si damn obvious...now
 
2017-12-31 09:21:45 AM  
I finally saw it last night and enjoyed most of it. I'm aware of the controversies involved, but, I don't really see the choices that Rian Johnson made was all that bad. Strangely enough, I can empathize with their disappointment slightly.

In trying to get over my butthurt inflicted by a case of Star Trek STD, I chafed at the thought of them sullying Roddenberry's utopia. Gene's perfect 24th century Starfleet officer being free of conflict, is also free of drama which would hinder storytelling in the way they wish to convey to modern audiences.
If I had harbored preconceived expectations of how Snoke should have been handled, or how Rey is not a Skywalker/Kenobi/Palpatine, and that all of our cherished heroes are not only not heroic but farkups on a heroic scale, I would be saying worst Star Wars ever.

Also I guess in my middle age and looking back over my life and thinking about past choices, Luke's portrayal had resonance for me. And to me he still seemed to have been appropriate since I've always thought in the light/dark side debate, Luke was as grey as they come.
 
2017-12-31 09:23:39 AM  
Maybe I'm wrong here, but I've noticed in my personal experience that most of the people who really hated TLJ are very emotionally invested in the EU that was declared noncanon by Disney, and a lot of their hatred stems from their resentment over that move and their comparing the movies to the EU and finding them inevitably lacking by virtue of simply being different (or doing some things the same, but "worse.")  Most people I have talked with who couldn't care less about the EU liked the movie just fine.

As for Han Solo, yeah the troubled production doesn't instill me with confidence.  But having Donald Glover as Lando and Ron Howard at the helm does help a lot.
 
2017-12-31 09:43:26 AM  
I was browsing Target yesterday and saw a ton of the prestige toys from TLJ (the ones aimed at adult collectors) on clearance, way more than I remember seeing from TFA or RO. It made me wonder if perhaps they Star Wars hype is dying down and fan sentiment overall is really, visibly souring.

If so, Disney has their work cut out for them, because the broad audience they want to attract doesn't buy the merch or buy pre-release tickets or attend the conventions the way the fans do. The core of enthusiasm they need to keep these properties profitable has to remain or else Star Wars becomes just another blockbuster series with diminishing returns for each sequel.
 
2017-12-31 09:46:18 AM  

swamp_of_dumb: [img.fark.net image 425x241][View Full Size image _x_]
This is their new Han Solo. So...no?

/this could be a trainwreck of MST3K levels
//this generation's Manos. The Hands of Fate


He looks like some weird love child of Seth MacFarlane and Finn Balor.

Beyond that, does anyone need more backstory on Han Solo, beyond "renowned smuggler and spaceship pilot who is arrogant and full of himself?" It works, no need for finer details. And that kid does not appear to have nearly the swagger necessary for the role.
 
2017-12-31 09:50:03 AM  

CT Zeal: Maybe I'm wrong here, but I've noticed in my personal experience that most of the people who really hated TLJ are very emotionally invested in the EU that was declared noncanon by Disney, and a lot of their hatred stems from their resentment over that move and their comparing the movies to the EU and finding them inevitably lacking by virtue of simply being different (or doing some things the same, but "worse.")  Most people I have talked with who couldn't care less about the EU liked the movie just fine.


So far, over at Reddit, I'm seeing three kinds of TLJ haters:

1. As you mentioned, EU fanboys who can't get over the EU being dropped. They're all pissy that they didn't get ass-kicker Expanded Universe Jedi Master Luke with hot redhead Mary Jane Mara Jade* on his arm.

2. Alt-Right, GamerGate assholes who are angry that there are so many women and people of color in the major roles, making the male characters "look bad" or "emasculated", a major example is the number losers griping that Holdo "stole Ackbar's moment" and then "made Poe look like a cuck". They're mad that Luke is alone on an island being an antisocial jerk when Rey gets to him (because that resembles their own existence, I suspect). They also really hate Rose a LOT, and they're extremely grumpy about Leia using Force abilities on screen. And of course, they still claim Rey is a "Mary Sue" even though she hasn't done any more than Luke did at the same point in his journey.

3. Younger 20-something guys who are angry over the movie not being what they imagined it would be after watching endless hours of YouTube Star Wars Theory videos. They wanted an action/sci-fi movie with some dark turn, because apparently 20-something guys mistake "dark" for "deep". They wanted the OT, but with more ass-kicking, blood, and seriousness. They're angry that there were jokes in the movie (completely ignoring that Star Wars has always been chock-full of jokes) and wanted so much for Rey to turn out to be Obi-Wan's long lost granddaughter, or Finn to be Lando's kid, or Snoke to be Thrawn after a disfiguring accident, or any number of dumb-ass "The galaxy is really small and everyone's related" theories, and none of those theories panned out. Not One. So they're mad that Rian Johnson didn't confirm their ideas, which they believe are so much better than his because they're more "badass".

The rest of us liked the movie. $1 billion box office and an "A" on Cinemascore say it all. The "rift" isn't all that real. It's a small but vocal group of bitter little twerps who hate that Star Wars isn't only for them.
 
2017-12-31 09:52:01 AM  

serpent_sky: swamp_of_dumb: [img.fark.net image 425x241][View Full Size image _x_]
This is their new Han Solo. So...no?

/this could be a trainwreck of MST3K levels
//this generation's Manos. The Hands of Fate

He looks like some weird love child of Seth MacFarlane and Finn Balor.

Beyond that, does anyone need more backstory on Han Solo, beyond "renowned smuggler and spaceship pilot who is arrogant and full of himself?" It works, no need for finer details. And that kid does not appear to have nearly the swagger necessary for the role.


You're talking about a fan base with some members who were extremely upset that we didn't get a half-hour exposition on Snoke's origins in TLJ. I suspect some people are looking for Solo to be a story about Han fighting and f*cking his way across the galaxy, and they'll be mad when he's portrayed as less than a Red Piller Alpha Male.
 
2017-12-31 09:56:33 AM  

fusillade762: spoilers: science says that there's also no sound in space but that's never bothered anyone before now.

They clearly haven't been in the right internet forums.


Well it hasn't bothered any human beings
 
2017-12-31 09:58:16 AM  

Bslim: "That Solo: A Star Wars Story might not be destined for greatness.
That wasn't always the case, of course; when the project was announced, Solo - which, for the longest time, was referred to by some variation of the phrase "Untitled Han Solo Project," before the title was revealed in October - was greeted with great excitement by the target demographic. It boasted a cast that included Donald Glover ann... "


Bull and shiat if anything the consensus has always been that the film would never be able to do the character justice and/or would ruin it.


Yes this is worthy of Stalin or Baghdad Bob  or MeadowLark Lemon
 
2017-12-31 10:00:40 AM  

secularsage: I was browsing Target yesterday and saw a ton of the prestige toys from TLJ (the ones aimed at adult collectors) on clearance, way more than I remember seeing from TFA or RO. It made me wonder if perhaps they Star Wars hype is dying down and fan sentiment overall is really, visibly souring.

If so, Disney has their work cut out for them, because the broad audience they want to attract doesn't buy the merch or buy pre-release tickets or attend the conventions the way the fans do. The core of enthusiasm they need to keep these properties profitable has to remain or else Star Wars becomes just another blockbuster series with diminishing returns for each sequel.


The line that a lot of TLJ fans are taking is that the new trilogy, and especially the new movie, has really swept away the first trilogy for something new, and this for them is exciting. I can see that reaction and think they are correct in the assumption. But the problem is they kind of disrespected Han and Luke, although they did better with Leia.

Is Disney killing the seed corn, here? Have they killed off a portion of their longtime, older fan base? Maybe. They may be hoping to hook in a younger generation of two to buy the merch and be just as devoted, but, as you say, it just looks like any old franchise.

I do think they could have introduced new characters while honoring the storylines of the older ones, but IMO they clearly failed in the second part and may be failing in the first part.
 
2017-12-31 10:01:30 AM  

WilderKWight: CT Zeal: Maybe I'm wrong here, but I've noticed in my personal experience that most of the people who really hated TLJ are very emotionally invested in the EU that was declared noncanon by Disney, and a lot of their hatred stems from their resentment over that move and their comparing the movies to the EU and finding them inevitably lacking by virtue of simply being different (or doing some things the same, but "worse.")  Most people I have talked with who couldn't care less about the EU liked the movie just fine.

So far, over at Reddit, I'm seeing three kinds of TLJ haters:

1. As you mentioned, EU fanboys who can't get over the EU being dropped. They're all pissy that they didn't get ass-kicker Expanded Universe Jedi Master Luke with hot redhead Mary Jane Mara Jade* on his arm.

2. Alt-Right, GamerGate assholes who are angry that there are so many women and people of color in the major roles, making the male characters "look bad" or "emasculated", a major example is the number losers griping that Holdo "stole Ackbar's moment" and then "made Poe look like a cuck". They're mad that Luke is alone on an island being an antisocial jerk when Rey gets to him (because that resembles their own existence, I suspect). They also really hate Rose a LOT, and they're extremely grumpy about Leia using Force abilities on screen. And of course, they still claim Rey is a "Mary Sue" even though she hasn't done any more than Luke did at the same point in his journey.

3. Younger 20-something guys who are angry over the movie not being what they imagined it would be after watching endless hours of YouTube Star Wars Theory videos. They wanted an action/sci-fi movie with some dark turn, because apparently 20-something guys mistake "dark" for "deep". They wanted the OT, but with more ass-kicking, blood, and seriousness. They're angry that there were jokes in the movie (completely ignoring that Star Wars has always been chock-full of jokes) and wanted so much for Rey to turn out to be Obi ...


So... you're taking reddit as representative?
 
2017-12-31 10:04:15 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The inherent problem with prequels is always "Oh no! Han, Chewie, Lando and Redshirt LoveInterest are sure in a jam! Gosh, I wonder if they're *all* going to make it out alive?"


No the problem is that you can't make it better than the original or else it makes the original look bad. Wait, they already had their coolest adventure before we met them?
 
2017-12-31 10:09:57 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: So... you're taking reddit as representative?


Well, now that would be an error, wouldn't it?

However, a lot of the raging hate-monsters in the Star Wars subreddit are claiming  they're representative of Star Wars fandom.

What I'm saying is the most vocal members of the group of people saying TLJ was bad are a generally bad bunch of people in the first place, and we're probably better off if they rant a little more and then fark off from the fan base to go watch more shows about angry vikings or something.
 
2017-12-31 10:10:18 AM  
Whatever. I love Han and Chewie. I love Star Wars. I love Sci-Fi films. I really love terrible sci-fi. No matter what I'm going to be into it. 

/Sci-fi was never mainstream.
//And mainstream sci-fi never pleases the nerds.
 
2017-12-31 10:17:19 AM  

WilderKWight: serpent_sky: swamp_of_dumb: [img.fark.net image 425x241][View Full Size image _x_]
This is their new Han Solo. So...no?

/this could be a trainwreck of MST3K levels
//this generation's Manos. The Hands of Fate

He looks like some weird love child of Seth MacFarlane and Finn Balor.

Beyond that, does anyone need more backstory on Han Solo, beyond "renowned smuggler and spaceship pilot who is arrogant and full of himself?" It works, no need for finer details. And that kid does not appear to have nearly the swagger necessary for the role.

You're talking about a fan base with some members who were extremely upset that we didn't get a half-hour exposition on Snoke's origins in TLJ. I suspect some people are looking for Solo to be a story about Han fighting and f*cking his way across the galaxy, and they'll be mad when he's portrayed as less than a Red Piller Alpha Male.


In fairness, it would be pretty untrue to the character to portray him as anything else, or completely sweep the legs out from under the character as he was written and has "existed" since the 1970s. Turning him into anything else would kind of suck, and I am not some super Star Wars fangirl (it's kind of lost its allure as they keep adding movies, almost every animated show ever doing their own parodies, and saturation of the market 75x over the course of my lifetime), but really don't feel like I need to know backstories on every character, especially since the basics have been well established by the existing movies, and people have been imagining backstories to some extent, many cases, since we were little kids, and the truth is, watching someone else's vision of it will never live up to something people have imagined for 40 years or so... or even 10 or 20.
 
2017-12-31 10:18:16 AM  
I think I just wrote my longest sentence of 2017. Damn, I really need a full night's sleep....
 
2017-12-31 10:19:43 AM  
This will be the first Star Wars movie I don't see in theaters. Saw the original as a kid in the '70s, all the sequels and prequels, even saw that animated Clone Wars movie in the theaters.

Won't be seeing this.

That Boba Fett movie will be the second one I don't see in the theater.

Undecided on the Obi-Wan movie they announced. Leaning towards no, but Ewan McGregor is awesome.

I'll for sure see episode 9, though.
 
2017-12-31 10:21:50 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: WilderKWight: CT Zeal: Maybe I'm wrong here, but I've noticed in my personal experience that most of the people who really hated TLJ are very emotionally invested in the EU that was declared noncanon by Disney, and a lot of their hatred stems from their resentment over that move and their comparing the movies to the EU and finding them inevitably lacking by virtue of simply being different (or doing some things the same, but "worse.")  Most people I have talked with who couldn't care less about the EU liked the movie just fine.

So far, over at Reddit, I'm seeing three kinds of TLJ haters:

1. As you mentioned, EU fanboys who can't get over the EU being dropped. They're all pissy that they didn't get ass-kicker Expanded Universe Jedi Master Luke with hot redhead Mary Jane Mara Jade* on his arm.

2. Alt-Right, GamerGate assholes who are angry that there are so many women and people of color in the major roles, making the male characters "look bad" or "emasculated", a major example is the number losers griping that Holdo "stole Ackbar's moment" and then "made Poe look like a cuck". They're mad that Luke is alone on an island being an antisocial jerk when Rey gets to him (because that resembles their own existence, I suspect). They also really hate Rose a LOT, and they're extremely grumpy about Leia using Force abilities on screen. And of course, they still claim Rey is a "Mary Sue" even though she hasn't done any more than Luke did at the same point in his journey.

3. Younger 20-something guys who are angry over the movie not being what they imagined it would be after watching endless hours of YouTube Star Wars Theory videos. They wanted an action/sci-fi movie with some dark turn, because apparently 20-something guys mistake "dark" for "deep". They wanted the OT, but with more ass-kicking, blood, and seriousness. They're angry that there were jokes in the movie (completely ignoring that Star Wars has always been chock-full of jokes) and wanted so much for Rey to turn out to be Obi ...

So... you're taking reddit as representative?


Surprisingly, Fark is certainly more cordial about disagreeing on TLJ. He's spot on the three types of angry Reddit Star Wars fans. They have made it a cesspool of cranky, fickle, little biatches that are making the hardcore Rick and Morty fans look not so bad anymore.
 
2017-12-31 10:26:52 AM  

WilderKWight: serpent_sky: swamp_of_dumb: [img.fark.net image 425x241][View Full Size image _x_]
This is their new Han Solo. So...no?

/this could be a trainwreck of MST3K levels
//this generation's Manos. The Hands of Fate

He looks like some weird love child of Seth MacFarlane and Finn Balor.

Beyond that, does anyone need more backstory on Han Solo, beyond "renowned smuggler and spaceship pilot who is arrogant and full of himself?" It works, no need for finer details. And that kid does not appear to have nearly the swagger necessary for the role.

You're talking about a fan base with some members who were extremely upset that we didn't get a half-hour exposition on Snoke's origins in TLJ. I suspect some people are looking for Solo to be a story about Han fighting and f*cking his way across the galaxy, and they'll be mad when he's portrayed as less than a Red Piller Alpha Male.


What do you mean?

We got 8 hours of Snoke origins in the prequels.

\Meesa thinks you don't remember
 
2017-12-31 10:27:41 AM  

CT Zeal: Maybe I'm wrong here, but I've noticed in my personal experience that most of the people who really hated TLJ are very emotionally invested in the EU that was declared noncanon by Disney, and a lot of their hatred stems from their resentment over that move and their comparing the movies to the EU and finding them inevitably lacking by virtue of simply being different (or doing some things the same, but "worse.")  Most people I have talked with who couldn't care less about the EU liked the movie just fine.

As for Han Solo, yeah the troubled production doesn't instill me with confidence.  But having Donald Glover as Lando and Ron Howard at the helm does help a lot.


False.  The only Star Wars I've ever invested in were the movies and toys.  Never bothered watching any of the cartoons, other than the old Droids and Ewoks shows. TLJ is easily the worst of the movies.  Not because it shat over my theories about Snoke or Rey's parents.  I had none.  It was just a boring and stupid movie with no tension.  Pretty much the same thing every one else that hated it thought.
 
2017-12-31 10:29:52 AM  

swamp_of_dumb: [img.fark.net image 425x241]
This is their new Han Solo. So...no?

/this could be a trainwreck of MST3K levels
//this generation's Manos. The Hands of Fate


No, the Solo movie will be this year's Space Mutiny.
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2017-12-31 10:30:32 AM  
TLJ just wasn't that good. I know fanboys are losing their shiat, but I think some are claiming it's great just to piss off the fanboys.  Stepping away from all of that, it was just poorly constructed.  The second act was poorly constructed and ultimately served no purpose.  I think it would have worked better if they had dispensed with the Poe plotline, sent him to Canto Bight with Finn and Rose, and made that act a mini-heist movie.  As for the fleet, at the risk of recreating Wrath of Khan, they could have hidden the fleet in a nebula or something and set up a Das Boot scenario where the First Order slowly hunts them down.
 
2017-12-31 10:38:41 AM  
I've been a fanboy since I saw Star Wars in the theater in 1977 as an 8-year-old. I've seen all the movies, played the video games, etc. etc. And I liked TLJ.

Was it a bit long? Yes. Did the casino scene drag a bit? Maybe. Was Leia's "space angel" a bit hokey? Well, yes. Guess what though - ALL the Star Wars movies suffer from all sorts of problems. Even the original trilogy suffers from terrible writing and godawful acting. But they're still great for reasons that transcend all that. Why? Because they make up a modern myth that verges on a religion. (and is just as true as any religion)
 
2017-12-31 10:48:25 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: WilderKWight: CT Zeal: Maybe I'm wrong here, but I've noticed in my personal experience that most of the people who really hated TLJ are very emotionally invested in the EU that was declared noncanon by Disney, and a lot of their hatred stems from their resentment over that move and their comparing the movies to the EU and finding them inevitably lacking by virtue of simply being different (or doing some things the same, but "worse.")  Most people I have talked with who couldn't care less about the EU liked the movie just fine.

So far, over at Reddit, I'm seeing three kinds of TLJ haters:

1. As you mentioned, EU fanboys who can't get over the EU being dropped. They're all pissy that they didn't get ass-kicker Expanded Universe Jedi Master Luke with hot redhead Mary Jane Mara Jade* on his arm.

2. Alt-Right, GamerGate assholes who are angry that there are so many women and people of color in the major roles, making the male characters "look bad" or "emasculated", a major example is the number losers griping that Holdo "stole Ackbar's moment" and then "made Poe look like a cuck". They're mad that Luke is alone on an island being an antisocial jerk when Rey gets to him (because that resembles their own existence, I suspect). They also really hate Rose a LOT, and they're extremely grumpy about Leia using Force abilities on screen. And of course, they still claim Rey is a "Mary Sue" even though she hasn't done any more than Luke did at the same point in his journey.

3. Younger 20-something guys who are angry over the movie not being what they imagined it would be after watching endless hours of YouTube Star Wars Theory videos. They wanted an action/sci-fi movie with some dark turn, because apparently 20-something guys mistake "dark" for "deep". They wanted the OT, but with more ass-kicking, blood, and seriousness. They're angry that there were jokes in the movie (completely ignoring that Star Wars has always been chock-full o ...


I'd humbly suggest reddit users are a bare minority of film goers at large. What Disney should worry about are the great mass of those who don't seem to be going to see this movie. Fans and fan/haters are seeing it more than once. What they may be failing to attract are the casuals, the near-fans, the old fans. Many of them went to see TFA but opted out of this one. And they aren't the types to complain about EU or whatever - they don't know or care about such things. They just aren't feeling what is going on with the property at this time.
 
2017-12-31 10:48:31 AM  

Mentat: The second act was poorly constructed and ultimately served no purpose.


It served two purposes, both of them tying directly into the movie's overall themes.

The first was reinforcing the repeated idea that the old, classic kind of gung-ho heroics don't work anymore, or at least that life isn't as simple as running off half-cocked and saving the day. You can dash off to a blaring soundtrack, butt shiat doesn't always go as planned and when that happens, people die.

The second was the idea of tomorrow's heroes and rebels being created. The kid at the very end is met in the second act, and the notion of casting aside yesterday and looking ahead to tomorrow is underlined throughout the whole sequence.

In a lot of ways, that second act side story is like the whole film in microcosm, replaying the important themes of the movie in a swashbuckling form.

That's not to say I disagree with the idea that there was a better way to handle that part of the story or that the movie would have been better with it trimmed or cut -- that criticism is largely on target -- but it DOES serve a pretty strong thematic purpose.
 
2017-12-31 10:54:49 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: What Disney should worry about are the great mass of those who don't seem to be going to see this movie. Fans and fan/haters are seeing it more than once. What they may be failing to attract are the casuals, the near-fans, the old fans.


Is there any evidence whatsoever of this? The movie is about to pass $1 billion and it's only been out for 15 days. When the holiday is accounted for, its drop on Christmas was within expected norms, especially given how gigantic it opened. This thing is making money hand-over-fist, at near record levels. It will be the top domestic film of 2017 in another day or so.

Fanboys alone can't account for that.
 
2017-12-31 11:02:51 AM  
It's painfully obvious to anyone willing to accept unpleasant facts that Disney is going for quantity over quality with respect to Star Wars.
 
2017-12-31 11:06:31 AM  

serpent_sky: swamp_of_dumb: [img.fark.net image 425x241][View Full Size image _x_]
This is their new Han Solo. So...no?

/this could be a trainwreck of MST3K levels
//this generation's Manos. The Hands of Fate

He looks like some weird love child of Seth MacFarlane and Finn Balor.

Beyond that, does anyone need more backstory on Han Solo, beyond "renowned smuggler and spaceship pilot who is arrogant and full of himself?" It works, no need for finer details. And that kid does not appear to have nearly the swagger necessary for the role.


That it wasn't Anthony Ingruber will be its fatal flaw.
 
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